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Title: Judge assails cases doubting Obama's citizenship
Source: AP
URL Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap ... EnyP1Bu6Ol4zJsN94mlewD96O5TV03
Published: Mar 6, 2009
Author: NEDRA PICKLER
Post Date: 2009-03-08 00:33:51 by bluegrass
Ping List: *Tracking Comrade Obama*     Subscribe to *Tracking Comrade Obama*
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Views: 1539
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Judge assails cases doubting Obama's citizenship

By NEDRA PICKLER

WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal judge on Thursday threw out a lawsuit questioning President Barack Obama's citizenship, lambasting the case as a waste of the court's time and suggesting the plaintiff's attorney may have to compensate the president's lawyer.

In an argument popular on the Internet and taken seriously practically nowhere else, Obama's critics argue he is ineligible to be president because he is not a "natural-born citizen" as the Constitution requires.

In response last summer, Obama's campaign posted his Hawaiian birth certificate on its Web site. But the lawsuit argues it is a fake and that Obama was actually born in his father's homeland of Kenya, even though Hawaiian officials have said the document is authentic.

"This case, if it were allowed to proceed, would deserve mention in one of those books that seek to prove that the law is foolish or that America has too many lawyers with not enough to do," U.S. District Judge James Robertson said in his written opinion.

The lawsuit didn't even use Obama's legal name but called him "Barry Soetoro," the name he went by while attending elementary school in Indonesia. It's one of many that has been filed claiming Obama is ineligible to serve as president.

Robertson ordered plaintiff's attorney John Hemenway of Colorado Springs, Colo., to show why he hasn't violated court rules barring frivolous and harassing cases and shouldn't have to pay Obama's attorney, Bob Bauer, for his time arguing that the case should be thrown out. Subscribe to *Tracking Comrade Obama*

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#1. To: christine, pinguinite, Jethro Tull, randge, HOUNDDAWG, scrapper2, Lady X, Esso, DeaconBenjamin, bush_is_a_moonie, Cynicom, Rotara, Prefrontal Vortex, James Deffenbach, TwentyTwelve, Rupert_Pupkin, PSUSA, war (#0)

Posted to keep track of how the media handles this story as it gains more steam. It ain't going away.

In an argument popular on the Internet and taken seriously practically nowhere else, Obama's critics argue he is ineligible to be president because he is not a "natural-born citizen" as the Constitution requires.

Does this sound like a familiar tact that the media takes for soon to be taboo topics? Think holocaust, 9/11, etc.

In response last summer, Obama's campaign posted his Hawaiian birth certificate on its Web site.

I wonder how long they can keep this lie up?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-08   0:38:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: bluegrass (#0)

to show why he hasn't violated court rules barring frivolous and harassing cases and shouldn't have to pay Obama's attorney,

Attempt to squash any further law suits.


"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology

farmfriend  posted on  2009-03-08   0:52:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: bluegrass (#1) (Edited)

In an argument popular on the Internet and taken seriously practically nowhere else...

Which means all the illiterate people don't take it seriously.

They speak as if the Internet is not used by most people today. Very funny!

More people get their news from the Internet than all other sources combined.

The MSM keeps forgetting they are just about irrelevant now.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-08   0:56:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: bluegrass (#1)

This Judge needs to be taken out behind the barn and.........?

Fill in the blank, one word, no more.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-03-08   3:38:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: bluegrass (#1)

The judge in this case is obviously an Obamabot. As for his comment about how it would "make the law look foolish," people like him are what makes the law look foolish. Or his misunderstanding of it.

As for the birth certificate, or alleged birth certificate his sycophants (including the "judge" in this case) claim, he has never produced one. Even the state of Hawaii doesn't give full credit to the document they Photoshopped onto the web. The Certification of Live Birth does not name a hospital, name a doctor, have any signatures or a seal of the Hawaiian Health Department on the front of the document. This document is usually given to parties that don't have a proper hospital birth certificate and it is given based on a statement of one relative only. The rest of us couldn't get a passport with that thing, yet the Obamabots want us to believe that that is all the proof their hero need show.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-08   7:51:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#4) (Edited)

Fill in the blank, one word, no more.

One word isn't sufficient. It would take a paragraph of suitable "rehabilitation" techniques.

Make awkward sexual advances, not war.
Morehead City Entertainment Summer 2009

Critter  posted on  2009-03-08   8:12:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Critter, Cynicom (#6)

I believe one word for that judge is sufficient. What would the founders have done to traitors and people who actively colluded with known enemies and aided and abetted them?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-08   8:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: bluegrass (#1)

Posted to keep track of how the media handles this story as it gains more steam. It ain't going away.

Much like the comic section?

I wonder how long they can keep this lie up?

He did post it. Are you claiming that he did not?

war  posted on  2009-03-08   8:35:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: James Deffenbach (#5)

FACT: THE COLB is a legal dcoument.

FACT: The document IS stamped.

FACT: The COLB states that it is a "True copy or abstract of the record on file".

FACT: Not one of you Moonbats has produced a COLB that betrays what Obama has produced.

FACT: CITY OR PLACE OF BIRTH HONOLULU, Lulu.

war  posted on  2009-03-08   8:39:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: bluegrass (#1)

Posted to keep track of how the media handles this story as it gains more steam. It ain't going away.

Much like the comic section?

I wonder how long they can keep this lie up?

He did post it. Are you claiming that he did not?

war  posted on  2009-03-08   8:40:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: James Deffenbach (#7)

Tar and feather? Draw and quarter? Cleanse with pain? :)

Make awkward sexual advances, not war.
Morehead City Entertainment Summer 2009

Critter  posted on  2009-03-08   9:54:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: bluegrass (#0)

A federal judge on Thursday threw out a lawsuit questioning President Barack Obama's citizenship, lambasting the case as a waste of the court's time and suggesting the plaintiff's attorney may have to compensate the president's lawyer.

The above sentence should read: A federal reserve bank judge on Thursday threw out a lawsuit questioning President Barack Obama's citizenship, lambasting the case as a waste of the court's time and suggesting the plaintiff's attorney may have to compensate the president's lawyer, because Obama's citizenship and the CONSTITUTION are irrelevant in COMMERCE.

When the CON(job)stitution is a BASIS FOR the perpetual bitch slapping of various patriot Plaintiff's moronic approaches to the same old - same old bullshit, it's hard to blame the judges involved for getting pissed off and sanctioning the idiot attorneys and their clients for continually trying to claim CONstitutional rights or obligations [now pay attention morons] THAT DO NOT EXIST IN THE CREDIT (federal) JURISDICTION .

FRNs are "CREDIT" ... as well as every other financial instrument that exists in the fictional world of commerce. FRNs are BORROWED into existence and give their private owners a 3rd party attachment to everything.

Here again, don't blame the judges (even though they could be a little more clear in their rulings) when they slap down suits based upon moot points. We need to see that the funny money system is the MYSTERY OF INIQUITY and learn that the ONLY WAY OUT IS NON-PARTICIPATION. Bitching about it is a lot of fun but means absolutely nothing.

Please consider this point, no one will loan you your freedom. Freedom has a price that cannot be purchased by or through fiat currencies created by the enemy.

Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.

De La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2009-03-08   10:11:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: war (#9)

FACT: You are an Obamatard and wouldn't recognize the truth about your hero if it was put in front of you in letters ten feet high and signed by George Washington himself.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-08   10:21:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Critter (#11)

My understanding is that the founders thought a suitable punishment for treason was death by hanging.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-08   10:22:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: James Deffenbach (#14)

death by hanging.

Another 3 word punishment.

See? It's hard to say it with one word.

Personally, I think a whole paragraph full of 3 word punishments would be appropriate for treason.

Make awkward sexual advances, not war.
Morehead City Concerts Summer 2009

Critter  posted on  2009-03-08   10:24:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Critter, Cynicom (#15)

No, you only need one word. Cynicom said, "This Judge needs to be taken out behind the barn and.........?"

And the one-word, fill in the blank could be the word hung (or hanged). Another one-word fill in is "shot." Either would rid the world of someone who is taking up space and oxygen better left for an actual American.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-08   10:27:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: James Deffenbach (#16)

You're no fun. :p

Would tying to a bumper and dragging for a few miles be considered cruel and unusual?

Make awkward sexual advances, not war.
Morehead City Concerts Summer 2009

Critter  posted on  2009-03-08   10:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Critter (#17)

Well no, not as long as it was someone like that ignoramus. I doubt he would even feel it, he sounds just barely sentient.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-08   10:35:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: war (#8)

He did post it. Are you claiming that he did not?

That's exactly what I'm claiming. Obama posted a certification of live birth (it says so right at the top of what he released), not a certificate of live birth. What Obama's released isn't even enough to prove that he's a native Hawaiian.

Applying for Hawaiian Home Lands

The primary documents used to show you are of age and a qualified native Hawaiian are:

A certified copy of Certificate of Birth;
A certified copy of Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, including testimonies; or
A certified copy of Certificate of Delayed Birth.

...In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

When Obama and his minions claim that he posted a birth certificate, they neglect to mention what it really is: a receipt for a birth certificate, not a birth certificate.

On page 9 of this PDF is a sample copy of what a real Hawaiian birth certificate looks like. It looks nothing like what's claimed for Obama's document:

On page 11 of the above PDF, they also emphasize the difference between a Certificate of Live Birth and Certification of Live Birth. Yet for some reason, Obama and Co. have obfuscated the difference.

The Obama claim to power is based on a lie. Anyone that supports him is no different from those Bushbots that still backed Bush after his lies were proven for the world to see. I just proved to you that Obama's lying to you and millions. Should you continue to voice support for him, I'll know that you have zero desire for the truth in this matter.

Obama's just another fuckwad politician that is selling us out for his own personal gain.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-08   11:09:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: farmfriend (#2)

Attempt to squash any further law suits.

Bushbots called me a 'truther', Obamabots call me a 'birther'. I'm beginning to think these epithets come from Tel Aviv.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-08   11:10:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: RickyJ (#3)

The MSM keeps forgetting they are just about irrelevant now.

But still members of the MSM are calling for a bailout. ; )

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-08   11:12:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cynicom (#4)

This Judge needs to be taken out behind the barn and.........?

ridiculed.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-08   11:13:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: bluegrass (#20)

Bushbots called me a 'truther', Obamabots call me a 'birther'. I'm beginning to think these epithets come from Tel Aviv.

And isn't it a hoot how suddenly the Os, most of whom know the judicial system is comprised of political appointees, hold rulings by judges as gospel? The Os are defenders of the System that will eventually enslave them and their children.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-03-08   11:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: bluegrass (#19)

On page 11 of the above PDF, they also emphasize the difference between a Certificate of Live Birth and Certification of Live Birth. Yet for some reason, Obama and Co. have obfuscated the difference.

thanks for posting this.

christine  posted on  2009-03-08   11:17:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: bluegrass (#22)

ridiculed.

Sissy, weenie, wussie, hehehehehe.

I had in mind ...shot or hung...but after thinking it over, a good horse whipping to help him see the light of day, repent his sins, would do more good.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-03-08   11:17:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: James Deffenbach (#5)

The judge in this case is obviously an Obamabot.

Or he's just a go-along-to-get-ahead kind of guy.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-08   11:18:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

The Os are defenders of the System that will eventually enslave them and their children.

Eventually? ; )

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-08   11:21:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: christine (#24)

Thanks for having a board to post it on, sister.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-08   11:21:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Cynicom (#25)

I was going to say horsewhipping. Great minds....

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-08   11:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: bluegrass, christine (#28)

Thanks for having a board to post it on, sister.

What?????

How you know Christine is not a gubmint agent???? Hmmmmmm. Trolling for anti gubmint people???? HHHmmm.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-03-08   11:26:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom, christine (#30)

How you know Christine is not a gubmint agent?

Because in all these years, she's never asked me to do anything illegal. : )

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-08   11:33:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom (#30) (Edited)

How you know Christine is not a gubmint agent???? Hmmmmmm. Trolling for anti gubmint people????

You just made the Blue List.

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randge  posted on  2009-03-08   11:33:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: James Deffenbach (#13)

Do you have any relevant information to the contrary whatsoever?

war  posted on  2009-03-08   11:50:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: bluegrass (#19)

That's exactly what I'm claiming. Obama posted a certification of live birth (it says so right at the top of what he released), not a certificate of live birth.

And on that COLB it states: prima facie eveidence of live birth in ANY court proceeding AND that it is a factual copy of what is on file.

If you have an issue with what Obama has posted and you have ANY evidence that what he has provided is a forgery then feel free to present your evidence to any US attorney or to any DA in Hawaii. I am sure that forging official documents MUST be a crime, eh?

war  posted on  2009-03-08   11:54:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: bluegrass (#19)

Do you understand the meaning of the word "preferred" over "required"?

war  posted on  2009-03-08   11:56:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: war (#34)

you have ANY evidence that what he has provided is a forgery

I never said it was a forgery. I said he's lying about what it is. It's not a birth certificate even though you, Obama and Co. try to claim it is.

Thanks. You just proved to me that the truth means nothing to you.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-08   12:00:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: war (#35)

It doesn't change the fact that Obama's never released a birth certificate.

You're sounding more like a Bushbot everyday.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-08   12:02:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: bluegrass (#31)

Because in all these years, she's never asked me to do anything illegal. : )

That is about as pathetic an answer as I have ever heard. hehehehehe

Cynicom  posted on  2009-03-08   12:05:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: randge (#32)

randge...

I love sowing tiny seeds of doubt....

I know, mean and childish but at least I amuse myself, and dont get in any trouble.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-03-08   12:07:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Cynicom, christine (#38)

One can never discount anything, but if this is a Fed, all is truly lost.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-08   12:08:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: bluegrass (#40)

I knew it, you been snookered.

Have to put you on my jelly backbone list, sigh, too bad.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-03-08   12:15:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Cynicom (#41)

Have to put you on my jelly backbone list

When it comes to the ladies, that's a good list for me to be on...

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-08   12:21:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: bluegrass (#42)

You may be a good grass picker, have the proper attitude for an American and all that, BUT, jelly backbone puts you on a list with most of the other yahoos here, cept me.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-03-08   12:24:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Cynicom (#43)

cept me.

You ol' 'ceptionalist.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-08   12:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: bluegrass (#36)

Thanks. You just proved to me that the truth means nothing to you.

He's been proving that ever since his boy got elected.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-08   12:51:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: James Deffenbach (#45)

I know. I just wanted to lance the boil and get it into the open air.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-08   13:06:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: James Deffenbach, bluegrass, all (#45) (Edited)

The same asshats who spam boards with layers of legal challenges by Team Obama, would defend the same System that released OJ Simpson and Teddy Kennedy. Tools are tools.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-03-08   13:52:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: bluegrass (#1)

A federal judge on Thursday threw out a lawsuit questioning President Barack Obama's citizenship, lambasting the case as a waste of the court's time and suggesting the plaintiff's attorney may have to compensate the president's lawyer.

Trying to affect change via the Admiralty Kangaroo Court System in amerrrriKa is an ignoramus or outright fool. IMO


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-08   15:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Jethro Tull (#47)

The same asshats who spam boards with layers of legal challenges by Team Obama, would defend the same System that released OJ Simpson and Teddy Kennedy. Tools are tools.

Exactly.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-08   16:29:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Rotara (#48)

A federal judge on Thursday threw out a lawsuit questioning President Barack Obama's citizenship, lambasting the case as a waste of the court's time

Don't you just love how the asshats who get elevated to the Cult of the Black Robe refer to themselves as "the court" and talk about how the peons are wasting their time by actually bringing cases for them to listen to and make impartial decisions based on the law? What a burden for them and how rude for anyone to think they would be interested in stuff like that.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-08   16:37:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: James Deffenbach (#50)

Judges are the slime of shysters.

Judges should not be lawyers, that is a prime reason there is NO justice in the justice system

Cynicom  posted on  2009-03-08   16:39:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Cynicom (#51)

Judges are the slime of shysters.

Judges should not be lawyers, that is a prime reason there is NO justice in the justice system

Agreed 100%. And there is no Constitutional requirement for the judges to be lawyers either. And I have thought a lot of times that someone with some good common sense and who could read plain English and not be hunting penumbras and unicorns would do a lot better job. And it is pretty certain they couldn't do any worse than ass hats like the one mentioned in this article.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-08   16:43:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: bluegrass (#36)

It IS a birth certificate.

war  posted on  2009-03-09   8:56:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: bluegrass (#19)

When Obama and his minions claim that he posted a birth certificate, they neglect to mention what it really is: a receipt for a birth certificate, not a birth certificate.

Just like their money.

... now with Solium™!

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-03-09   10:44:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Rotara (#48)

Trying to affect change via the Admiralty Kangaroo Court System in amerrrriKa is an ignoramus or outright fool. IMO

There's no such thing as bad publicity. Courts CAN be useful from that point of view and ONLY that point of view.

But yes, the courts are the last refuge of the LOSING side. Andy Jackson didn't need no court.

... now with Solium™!

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-03-09   10:52:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: war (#53)

It IS a birth certificate.

It's a document that even the state of Hawaii won't accept without verification of the originating certificate.

If it makes you feel any better, I think Obama's hiding the fact that he was born out of wedlock, per Michelle Obama:

firstread.msnbc.msn.com /a...e/2008/07/10/1193601.aspx

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- A day after the revelation of Jesse Jackson’s crude criticism of Barack Obama’s speeches on fatherhood and faith-based initiatives, this morning Michelle Obama was talking about fatherhood, responsibility and accountability.

...His own mother, she said at the beginning of her remarks, was "very young and very single when she had him." And, Obama added, he has observed his wife's attempts to reconcile motherhood with her career aspirations.

Either way, Obama's not a natural born citizen due to his father's citizenship. It's cut and dried to those of us that prefer the Constitution over any political party.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-09   13:39:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#54)

Just like their money.

Nice.

Fake money, fake president, fake government.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-09   13:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: bluegrass (#56)

It's a document that even the state of Hawaii won't accept without verification of the originating certificate.

You've offered npo proof of that.

If it makes you feel any better, I think Obama's hiding the fact that he was born out of wedlock, per Michelle Obama:

So?

Either way, Obama's not a natural born citizen due to his father's citizenship.

You know that to be a lie.

war  posted on  2009-03-09   13:44:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: war (#58)

You've offered npo proof of that.

I certainly did. You just refuse to see it:

...In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

Take the Obama-blinders off and have a look at reality.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-09   13:49:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: bluegrass (#59)

In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

Okay.,.I will concede that you did...my error.

Regardless, what Obama has provided more than fulfills both the age and citizenship requirements for POTUS.

You are aware that Hawaii verified that Obama's certificate IS on file and you are aware that Hawaii stamped his COLB as being a factual cpoy or abstract of what is on file?

war  posted on  2009-03-09   15:40:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: bluegrass, nolu, all (#59)

bluegrass, we have a new rule. Negro presidents don't need no stinkin' birth certificates.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-03-09   15:46:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Jethro Tull (#61)

Wherer is the rule that said that us crackers needed them?

war  posted on  2009-03-09   15:48:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: war (#62)

The Obama DOW tracking poll is down -105, call your broker!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-03-09   15:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: war (#60)

You are aware that Hawaii verified that Obama's certificate IS on file and you are aware that Hawaii stamped his COLB as being a factual cpoy or abstract of what is on file?

So you admit that it's not a birth certificate that he released even though he and his campaign say it is? If they'll lie about that, what else do they lie about with regard to his birth record and everything else?

That's the point. If Obama can't be trusted with a simple thing like his own birth records, why should you trust him in anything?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-09   15:51:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: bluegrass (#59)

Take the Obama-blinders off and have a look at reality.

That would shatter war(t)'s worldview, which happens to be anti-American.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-09   15:52:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Jethro Tull (#61)

Negro presidents don't need no stinkin' birth certificates.

The next [Arab/Israeli/Chinese/British/Mexican] dual-citizen overlord won't need to prove his citizenship either and Obama's the precedent.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-09   15:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: war (#62)

Wherer is the rule that said that us crackers needed them?

McCain released his and it proved he wasn't eligible to be president either. But for some odd reason, the Obama campaign and the media never picked up on it.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-09   15:54:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Jethro Tull (#61)

bluegrass, we have a new rule. Negro presidents don't need no stinkin' birth certificates.

I have no idea who K. Lamb is, but the information is interesting:

Wednesday, August 13, 2008

Obama's - and everybody else's - ethnic ID

This post updates the change in the method used by the federal government to define racial classifications. It comes from the post in the Federal Register by the US Census Bureau. You don't want to miss this . . . it's America's next BIG story about affirmative action.

And for a bit of mystery, did I stumble upon the reason why Barack Obama will not release his birth certificate?


Kenneth E. Lamb

++++++++++++

As a matter of integrity, I must update my findings by telling you that the US Census Bureau changed the definition of "race" for classification purposes. You'll find it in the Federal Register. The quotes following are from them:

Race is no longer defined by "genealogical or anthropological" characteristics as illustrated in my article. Race is now a matter of "sociopolitical self-identification." The Bureau now allows an individual to classify him- or her- self by as many, and whatever, "sociopolitical self-identification" classification(s) appeals to the individual. You can be African-American today, change your mind and be Native-American tomorrow, add Asian the day following, and toss them all out the next day and classify yourself whatever you please the day after that.

So as it stands now with this change in the law, Sen. Obama is legally anything he wants to be. Any of us are; more on that in a moment.

The effect of this was meant to give minority-gerrymandered districts more foundation by removing requirements that challenges to them rest upon the ability of district residents to "prove their lineage" and thus validate their minority status. In sympathy to the Bureau, it's reasonable to believe that coming up with birth records from say, the former South Viet Nam, or Myanmar, to prove Asian minority status, might prove daunting.

The same is true for America's African-American population. I won't go into it too deeply now, but here is a short explanation how it affects that particular segment of American society:

While there may be some states that do not do what follows, I am not aware of any:

States do not allow the mother of a child to claim a father's name on the birth certificate unless the father acknowledges paternity, either by being married at the time of birth, voluntarily admitting paternity, or through a court order assigning paternity.

The most recent figure on black illegitimacy that I am aware of is about 70%. You can figure this out for yourself; if your lineage is from a series of illegitimate births, as we now have with our multi-generational welfare underclass, with no father named on the certificate, how do you prove your "genealogical or anthropological" characteristics if the father is not listed through multiple generations of birth certificates?

Birth certificates lacking a father at high rates also apply to Hispanics as well, although not yet to that level. The reasoning is not only illegitimacy per se, but also the institution of some immigrants seeking to stay in America by having a child on US soil, thus creating an American citizen through that birth.

Either way, how do you prove your minority status if half your lineage through multiple generations doesn't exist on paper?

Please note especially that this is a "change" in the method of defining racial classification. My research was based on the rules before the Census Bureau changed the rules. For those defiling my work, go research for yourself what was the method the Bureau used before it made its "change" in classification methodology.

As the ignorance of the Obama apologists in this blog and other forums demonstrate, America is now to the point that the truth doesn't matter anymore. Just look at the referenced Chicago Tribune article about Mr. Obama's autobiography, and you see for yourself that "An Inconvenient Truth" is not the sole domain of any one political brand.

The reason there were definite standards defining racial classification was to keep the use of affirmative action programs, set-asides, and racial quotas enforceable by keeping out whites who tried to claim minority status. If you take people to court to deny them a seat in the classroom, you must have a defined set of characteristics in law to explain why those people do not qualify for the set-aside. It's too bad so many of America's so-called "intelligentsia" are too dense to get past that rather obvious legal construct.

If all it takes is a claim of, as one recently said, "a single drop of blood," then you have just set up a legal definition of what it takes to qualify as a member of the minority group.

In my own experience with my research, one after another Obama supporter attacked my work because they didn't like the criteria I cited; too bad, take it up with the courts. How do you think they kept whites out of Harvard who claimed to be blacks? They did it by saying the whites didn't have any black in their lineage. That then raises the question of how much black they needed to be classified as blacks. That is where the 1/8 (12.5%) rule of law came from. And it is that 1/8 rule that the Census Bureau tossed out the window in its "change."

Now the rule of law is "sociopolitical self-identification."

It escapes many Obama supporters that you must have a legal definition if you plan to enforce a law. Apparently, the Obama supporters ranting against my article missed the concept that the law is not allowed to be "arbitrary and capricious" - it must be defined, clearly, so that everyone knows when it does, and when it does not, apply.

It's truly scary to read these people and see they completely fail to grasp the idea that the law consists of definitions, or else you can't enforce the law. How else do you think you determine if an applicant for a set-aside qualifies if you don't have a legal definition of what it takes to meet the set-aside criteria? Yes, they are truly scary spouting off their brain-dead, hate-filled bigotries.

Unfortunately, this new twist to defining race is about to prove a major problem for many sectors of society. Let's start with Federal set-aside programs.

Now that anyone is able to classify him-or her- self by their own, private, "sociopolitical self-identification," anyone can legally cash in on these minority-directed programs. If there is a set-aside for African-Americans, just check the box because you feel that your "sociopolitical self-identification" is African-American that day. It's now all perfectly legal.

Couldn't get into the college of your choice because you didn't get past the minority set-aside hurdle? No problem; if you feel that your personal, private, "sociopolitical self-identification" is one of the targeted minority groups, well, go ahead and check the box. With the legal criteria now "sociopolitical self-identification," the days of Harvard, and the University of Michigan, or any of the other hundreds of institutions of higher education throwing you out when you show up white to fill one of their black set-asides is over. You met the legal definition. What are they going to argue in court now that your "genealogical or anthropological" characteristics aren't legal standards for defining racial classification?

I'll let the brains of America's shrinking cadre of affirmative action advocates work on that for a while. It will be breaking nationally soon enough.

Now a couple of very quick responses:

1) I have to admit I'm amazed at the circulation my research got. However, I often see it with a headline authored by someone other than me, and this causes problems because people reading the picked up article think I wrote the inflammatory headline.

My headline is: "Barack Obama: Washington Post, Chicago Tribune investigations confirm autobiography lies; now asking: Is "African-American" a lie too?" ( http://kennethelamb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barak-obama-questions-about-ethnic.html )

I note that particularly for those posters who did not comprehend that those first-tier news organizations are the source for much of the article. That's why I included their links. Too bad those of you trashing it didn't pick up on that validation of the article's contents. Perhaps you find reading articles that make your prejudices into lies too disconcerting. For you, it's just easier to hate, and run.

2) Many, many, people need a course in African culture before commenting on my work. For example, one poster named Kent Paul Dolan (you can Google him and find out he is a newspaper comics freak) is typical. He, and so many like him need a course in the realities of racial and ethnic segregation as practiced in Africa. Have you yet noticed the fierce tribal identities that cause the bloodbath in Darfur? Perhaps you missed the slaughter along tribal lines in Rwanda? Or the Congo? Or the Ivory Coast?

To Mr. Dolan, and others like him, Arabs do not intermarry with African Negroes in Kenya, or anywhere else in Africa. And neither do African Negroes intermarry with Arabs. Your ignorance of the realities of the African continent is appalling.

Which brings up the New York Times-created legend of Barack Obama's great grandmother. The "black" Obama "great-grandmother" trotted out by the NY Times is his "step" great grandparent. She is therefore not in his bloodline. It's a point the Times didn't dwell upon, just as they didn't bother to go to his father's relatives in the capital and show off their Arab characteristics and family photos.

This brings up another point about the senator’s father. Please note that the Times ran into a serious problem describing his father's relationship with a woman in Kenya that existed when he married "Barry's" mother in Hawaii. It turns out that Mr. Obama was already married to the Kenyan (who was not African Negro either.). That makes Senator Obama the product of a bigamous marriage. And we all know what that means as far as the legality of the marriage and the legitimacy of the marriage's offspring.

I had to laugh watching them wordsmith the relationship with the Kenyan woman as "unclear" and end up calling her his "consort."

And what is the definition of a "consort?" According to the dictionary, it is a spouse. Leave it to the NY Times to be so conflicted about telling the truth about Sen. Obama's situation, that they resort to using their own "unclear" description to paper over it.

But just now, in reading over this post, it just occurred to me: I mentioned that illegitimate births do not have a father's name on the birth certificate. Is that the reason why Sen. Obama refuses to make his birth certificate public . . because he knows there is no father's name listed on the certificate?

LINK - MORE


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-09   15:56:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: bluegrass (#67)

But for some odd reason, the Obama campaign and the media never picked up on it.

Birds of a feather flock brown and white together. ;-)


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-09   15:56:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: bluegrass (#67)

he wasn't eligible to be president either

Obama released his birth certificate. Hawaii said it is valid. What MORE do you need? Citizenship and age is all you need.

As for McCain. I pointed out to you that US citizenship passed to McCain at his birth under the US' sole acknowledgement of a tenet of the doctrine of jus sanguis.

war  posted on  2009-03-09   16:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: bluegrass (#64)

So you admit that it's not a birth certificate that he released even though he and his campaign say it is?

Hawaii says it is as well AND it states on the certificate that it is, in fact, a certificate.

war  posted on  2009-03-09   16:06:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: war (#70)

Obama released his birth certificate.

You just admitted that he released a receipt, not a birth certificate.

Do you know the old joke about the bear and the hunter? You remind me of the hunter.

I pointed out to you that US citizenship passed to McCain at his birth

The why did the Senate feel a special need to pass a special resolution last year for special John McCain stating that McLame was a natural born citizen? If he had an unshakable legal claim, he wouldn't a special Senate act for it, would he?

BTW, Hillary and Obama sponsored that resolution:

link

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-09   16:11:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: bluegrass (#72)

These shills are worthless whores.

I almost pity them. But I don't.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-09   16:12:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: bluegrass (#72)

You just admitted that he released a receipt, not a birth certificate.

The moderator deleted that post.

The why did the Senate feel a special need to pass a special resolution last year for special John McCain stating that McLame was a natural born citizen? If he had an unshakable legal claim, he wouldn't a special Senate act for it, would he?

Just another bizarre initiative of that particular body and one of which I have no desire to understand.

war  posted on  2009-03-09   16:13:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Rotara (#73)

Yip...yip...yip...

war  posted on  2009-03-09   16:13:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: bluegrass (#66)

The next [Arab/Israeli/Chinese/British/Mexican] dual-citizen overlord won't need to prove his citizenship either and Obama's the precedent

You're exactly right. Since corporate journalists are as useless as teats on a bull, nobody (except a constitutionalist) will ever get a through vetting. The entire Obama story reeks, from his mother Stanley, to her relationship w/Franklin Davis the communist bastard in Hawaii. But ya' gotta love the dolts who when their guy is in office retract into protect mode. Honestly, a goofball like war and his fellow knee pad squad are time sponges. It's too late in the game to trade insults with Ds or Rs.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-03-09   16:15:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Rotara (#73)

I almost pity them. But I don't.

Same here. All outta pity for the deluded and the sycophantic.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-09   16:16:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: war (#74)

I have no desire to understand.

You prove that every day.

Your Dem pals backed up McCain's bid. What's there to understand?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-09   16:18:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Jethro Tull (#76)

Honestly, a goofball like war and his fellow knee pad squad are time sponges.

I know. I post to give all of us further ammo down the road when these topics come up again.

This issue will be a sticking point for all of Obama's drizzly reign and we need info.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-09   16:20:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: bluegrass (#78)

You prove that every day.

And you routinley strive to discover the higher purpose behind that august body's machinations?

war  posted on  2009-03-09   16:20:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: war (#80)

And you routinley strive to discover the higher purpose behind that august body's machinations?

Their higher purpose is to keep us under the yoke of the MIC. No one survives the Senate unless they're a complete and utter tool.

Obama was a Senator for how long?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-09   16:23:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Jethro Tull (#76)

What does Obama's mother and her relationships have to do with anything.

You see...the problem with yinz ios that yo ucan't help but allow your irrational bile to seep into yer arguments.

The issue here, if ther eis one, is does Obama fulfill that age and citizenship requirements of Article II. That answer to 65MM voters was "yes". Anyone claiming "no" has yet to provide even the tiniest of quark of compelling evidence to the contrary.

war  posted on  2009-03-09   16:24:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: bluegrass (#81)

Obama was a Senator for how long?

4 years...his qualifications were vetted and debated last year and while they did not satisfy me they most certainly satisfied enough to put him up for election.

war  posted on  2009-03-09   16:25:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: bluegrass (#81)

MIC

Okay...I give up...

war  posted on  2009-03-09   16:25:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: bluegrass, Jethro Tull (#79)

And you're doing the Lord's work btw, bg. ;-)

I'm past wasting time on these cs'ing bs'ers. I'm good to go and it's almost go time.

The Globalist partisan trash simply needs to be swept out. Do it for the children.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-09   16:27:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: war (#83)

his qualifications were vetted and debated last year and while they did not satisfy me

Yah right.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-09   16:29:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: war (#84)

MIC

Military Industrial Complex. Obama works for them. So did Bush II. So did Clinton. So did Bush I. So did Reagan and Carter.

The MIC is a subsidiary of International Banking, Inc.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-09   16:31:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Rotara (#85)

I'm good to go and it's almost go time.

I'm borrowing that...

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-09   16:32:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: war (#82)

What does Obama's mother and her relationships have to do with anything.

Her story, like Barry Himself, reeks. I wouldn't be proud if my mother were mugged by some gorilla-looking beast who fled to the Dark continent before Barry bagged his Depends. But that's just me.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-03-09   16:33:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: bluegrass (#88)

I'm borrowing that...

And if you defaulted no-one would notice.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   8:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: bluegrass (#87)

Military Industrial Complex. Obama works for them. So did Bush II. So did Clinton. So did Bush I. So did Reagan and Carter.

Aha...

I agree that the Booosh's did as did Reagan...Carter no effen way...Clinton...maybe at the end he was co-apted.

Making judgements now about Obama makes a seemingly intelligent person - you - seem pretty stupid.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   8:48:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Jethro Tull (#89)

Her story, like Barry Himself, reeks.

Similar to your story, I'm sure...

war  posted on  2009-03-10   8:50:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: war (#53)

It IS a birth certificate.

LIAR!

Old Friend  posted on  2009-03-10   9:25:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: bluegrass (#87)

What about Nixon? And was Nixon a good president?

Old Friend  posted on  2009-03-10   9:26:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Old Friend (#94)

Nixon most certainly was, I doubt if Nuixon had anything to do with the Kennedy assassination but I am sure that he knew the plotters all of whom were at the core of the MIC. In an aside, I find it ironic that the more I found out about Barry Goldwater versus how he was portrayed in 1964 by LBJ, that GOldwater was less beholden to the corporate warmongers than LBJ was.

Nixon, was a horrible POTUS. His wage/priace controls led directly to eh inflationary spiral of the 70's. His inane support of Israel in 1973 led to the first oil embargo. IF there was a God, The Trickster and his buddy Hank both would have been hanged by their thumbs and left to rot.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   9:31:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Old Friend (#93)

LIAR!

It clearly states on the certificate that it is a certificate.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   9:32:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: war (#91)

Obama's keeping 50,000 troops in Iraq and is ramping up military involvement in Afghanistan. He's a tool.

He bombed Pakistan his second day in office. He's a tool.

He kept Robert Gates at DoD. He's a tool.

His budget for the fiscal year increases military spending. He's a tool.

Making judgements now about Obama makes a seemingly intelligent person - you - seem pretty stupid.

True Stupid is found in those that keep defending whatever vultures are perched in the White House because said buzzards have a little (R) or (D) logo next to their names.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   10:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: bluegrass (#97)

I haven't defended anything Obama has done...nor have I knee jerked to any conclusion about it.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   10:13:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: war (#91)

Carter no effen way...Clinton...maybe

Your schoolgirl crush on the Dems blinds you to the fact that they're the same sluts as those ugly Republican girls on the other side of the cafeteria.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   10:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Old Friend (#94)

And was Nixon a good president?

I don't think he was a good president but he certainly ticked off the Jewish contigent. That's why he had to go.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   10:15:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: war (#98)

I haven't defended anything Obama has done

You just defend Obama.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   10:15:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: war (#96)

It clearly states on the certificate that it is a certificate.

It clearly states on a Federal Reserve Note that it's legal tender. It doesn't make it so.

Obama's still hiding something about his birth. That's the principle in play here.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   10:18:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: bluegrass (#101)

You just defend Obama.

Feel free to point out where I have derended any of his policies.

Thanks.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   10:22:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: bluegrass (#102)

It clearly states on a Federal Reserve Note that it's legal tender. It doesn't make it so.

Fwderal Reserve Notes ARE legal tender. Who prints them and why?

war  posted on  2009-03-10   10:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: bluegrass (#102)

Obama's still hiding something about his birth.

Typed like someone who cares less about truth and more about emabarrasment.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   10:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: war (#103)

You defend Obama himself. That's even worse than defending his policies as it reveals the cult of personality behind him, much as those that used to defend Bush were part of his cult.

Unless you work for the Obama machine in some capacity...

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   10:29:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: bluegrass (#99)

Your schoolgirl crush on the Dems blinds you to the fact that they're the same sluts as those ugly Republican girls on the other side of the cafeteria.

I haven't voted major party in a national election since 1994.

That said, of the two parties I would most certainly cheer the loudest and am currently cheering the loudest for the demise of the GOP.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   10:30:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: war (#104)

Fwderal Reserve Notes ARE legal tender.

The Federal Reserve is in no way "legal. It's an imposition by a dominant minority upon the rest of us.

There's nothing legal about force and fraud.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   10:31:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: bluegrass (#106)

You defend Obama himself.

You debase any prescient argument that you may have by focusing on Moonbat issues. You come to me with the bullshit that Obama isn't eligible for reasons that defy reality it tells me that you have 0 interest in truth. So, YOU only have yourself to blame for the pounding on this issue that you have suffered.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   10:32:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: war (#105)

LOL! You'll never see me defend anything that creeps around in DC. That's all I've seen you do on this board.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   10:32:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: bluegrass (#108)

The Federal Reserve is in no way "legal",

Sorry...another Moonbat issue. Of course it is legal. The congress is clearly empowered to create agencies and it is under no constraint from making them semi-private or quasi independent.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   10:35:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: war (#109)

In my experience, whenever a defender of a current political star starts using 'moonbat', 'stupid' and other brilliant and original epithets as a method of defense of his/her love interest, it's a good indicator that the ship is already sinking.

IIRC, moonbat and stupid were the favorite redoubts of Bush's warriors on Free Republic. In the end, their little castle was over run also.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   10:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: war (#111)

Amazing. Defending Obama and the Federal Reserve in the same thread.

You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   10:38:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: bluegrass (#113)

Of course any logical counter-argument would be too much to expect.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   10:39:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: war (#114)

Logic doesn't work with those that have a hardon for a politican. It's like using logic on an adolescent that's in love with a starlet.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   10:42:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: bluegrass (#112)

In my experience, whenever a defender of a current political star starts using 'moonbat', 'stupid' and other brilliant and original epithets as a method of defense of his/her love interest, it's a good indicator that the ship is already sinking.

A Moonbat issue is one created of whole cloth with no basis in reality yet still has rabid followers and defenders. The BC issue is one such example. "We brung down the twin towers" is another. The Clinton Death list yet another. Any of those sound familiar to you?

moonbat and stupid were the favorite redoubts of Bush's warriors on Free Republic

Pot calling the kettle black.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   10:42:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: bluegrass (#115)

Logic doesn't work

Logic is only as good as the person using it...

war  posted on  2009-03-10   10:43:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: war (#116)

What other Federal atrocities do you support? Just get it out into the open.

Pot calling the kettle black.

I'll give you $100 if you can find where I've initiated ad hominem against you. You won't find it, kettle. My pot is shiny clean.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   10:48:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: war (#117)

Logic is only as good as the person using it...

As your love for Obama is irrational, logic is pointless with you. Why should I bother anymore? It's like arguing with a Bushbot.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   10:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: bluegrass (#118)

I'll give you $100 if you can find where I've initiated ad hominem against you. You won't find it, kettle. My pot is shiny clean.

I was rfwerring to FR not you. You've been measured in your responses and I do apprecaite it. You're insane, of course, but I like you [wink].

war  posted on  2009-03-10   10:53:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: bluegrass (#119)

As your love for Obama

What have we discuseed about Obama other than citizenship issues?

war  posted on  2009-03-10   10:54:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: bluegrass (#118)

What other Federal atrocities do you support?

Dude...Congress is given the powet to regulate the value of money. When Congress, itself, did so, it was an abject failure.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   10:55:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: war (#120)

You've been measured in your responses...You're insane...

How deep does your cognitive dissonance go?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   10:57:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: bluegrass (#123)

How deep does your cognitive dissonance go?

Flaccid?

war  posted on  2009-03-10   10:59:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: war (#121)

What have we discuseed about Obama other than citizenship issues?

That's more than enough. His claim to power rests on it. The only people that I see backing his claim are those with their snouts in the Federal trough and those that have been conditioned to react to the (R)-(D) dichotomy.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   10:59:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: war (#122)

Congress is given the powet to regulate the value of money. When Congress, itself, did so, it was an abject failure.

You have it backwards. Until the imposition of the Fed, the buying power of the dollar had increased overall. Since the imposition of the Fed, the dollar has lost almost all of its buying power.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:01:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: bluegrass (#125)

You raise his citizenship as an issue and you don't expect even a modicum of investigation into whether or not your claims are valid. But then you turn around and assail people who willingly accept what they are told without looking into it.

Got it...thanks...

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: war (#127)

You raise his citizenship as an issue and you don't expect even a modicum of investigation into whether or not your claims are valid.

More proof of cognitive dissonance. Obama hasn't proved his claims as he's actively hiding information about much of his past.

His actions are what give validity to the claims.

But then you turn around and assail people...

You might want rethink that statement. Who engages in ad hominem here when Obama's eligibility is raised - me or you?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:09:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: bluegrass (#126)

You have it backwards. Until the imposition of the Fed, the buying power of the dollar had increased overall. Since the imposition of the Fed, the dollar has lost almost all of its buying power.

Well that's just bullshit.

The US saw several bouts of inflation, deflation and recession prior to the creation of the Federal Reserve. Hell, they couldn't even keep the ratio of gold to silver constant because of fluctuations in the supply of both. That fluctuation is a reason the the Fr was created. Congress had to micromanage the minting of coin.

If you believe gold to be the Mecca of sound "dollar" valuation, I'd suggest that you consider the economic collapse of 16th century Spain and the role of gold in it as well as theb general trend of inflation in 16the century Europe. That trend was beginning to appear in the US in the latter part of the 19th century.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: bluegrass (#128)

Obama hasn't proved his claims

WHAT claims?

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:21:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: war (#129)

I said, "overall". Do your own calculations:

measuringworth.com

"In 1912, $1.00 from 1800 is worth:

$0.77 using the Consumer Price Index"

"In 2007, $1.00 from 1912 is worth:

$22.06 using the Consumer Price Index"

From 1800 to 1912, the overall buying power of the dollar increased. From 1912 until today, it's been steamrolled.

The US saw several bouts of inflation, deflation and recession prior to the creation of the Federal Reserve. Hell, they couldn't even keep the ratio of gold to silver constant because of fluctuations in the supply of both.

By and large, they were market manipulations by large money concerns. Back in the day, it was an old trick of bankers to move large supplies of gold/silver into an area (which decreased the relative value of it) and then use their larger supply of metal to draw seemingly cheaper gold/silver to themselves with paper receipts. It's an old scam.

If you believe gold to be the Mecca of sound "dollar" valuation...

You make a lot of assumptions, don't you? I've never advocated for a purely gold-based standard.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:27:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: war (#130)

WHAT claims?

His claim that he qualifies for the presidency. Had he proven it, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:28:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: bluegrass (#131)

From 1800 to 1912, the overall buying power of the dollar increased. From 1912 until today, it's been steamrolled.

Check your chart or you are reading it backwards...

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:33:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: bluegrass (#132)

He did prove it. We are having this discuission because of your acceptance deficit.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:34:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: christine, HOUNDDAWG, scrapper2, DeaconBenjamin, Cynicom, Prefrontal Vortex (#133)

Check your chart or you are reading it backwards...

To be clear:

You're claiming that the buying power of the dollar has increased, overall, since 1912 and that it decreased, overall, from 1800-1912. Am I correct?

I'll give you some time to do your own research and then come back and say it again.

Pardon the flags, but I just want some witnesses to this extraordinary claim.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:39:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: war (#92)

Similar to your story, I'm sure...

No, I came from a normal white family. Os daddy became a rolling stone like 70% of all dark males and mama Stanley was simply a whore who liked the tar roll.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-03-10   11:39:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: war (#135)

Flagging you also.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:40:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: bluegrass (#135)

You're claiming that the buying power of the dollar has increased, overall, since 1912 and that it decreased, overall, from 1800-1912. Am I correct?

I didn;t claim anything...you just showed that it did...or am I reading the chart wrong...?

Let's start here:

1.00 in 1800 was worth $0.77 in 1912 which means that it LOST 23% of its purchasing power.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:44:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: Jethro Tull (#136)

No, I came from a normal white family.

It still doesn't explain you.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:45:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: war (#134)

He did prove it.

What he's proven is that he can lock down his personal info, his papers from college and the like. I don't trust secretive "public" officials.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:45:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: bluegrass (#140)

Are you of the mind that anyone can waltz into anywhere and find out information on somsone?

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:48:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: war (#138)

It means that a dollar bought more in 1912 than it did in 1800. What cost $1 in 1800 only cost 77 cents in 1912. That's an increase in buying power.

What cost $1 in 1912 now costs $20+. That's a decrease in buying power.

If you have a hard time with this basic, material, provable reality, maybe some larger and more complex questions might escape you.

Then again, I'm just stupid and insane, right?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:48:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: bluegrass (#135) (Edited)

it decreased, overall, from 1800-1912. Am I correct?

0.77 means it increaed using the CPI.

The value did fluctuate a lot. An 1816 dollar was worth $0.66 in 1912. An 1833 dollar was worth $1.15 in 1912. An 1837 dollar was worth $1.01 in 1912. It would be better to fit a regression line, for data before the fed was created.

... now with Solium™!

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-03-10   11:49:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: war (#141)

If someone's claiming to be president, I'd say we have a right to know who he is.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:49:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#143)

My point is that it increased overall when it was a defined and measured unit.

It would be better to fit a regression line, for data before the fed was created.

Point taken. Thanks.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:51:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: bluegrass (#142)

From your link:

In 1912, $1.00 from 1800 is worth:

$0.77 using the Consumer Price Index

It does not say $1.00 WORTH OF GOODS. It says $1.00 is worth $0.77.

You're reading the calculator incorrectly.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:54:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: war (#139)

Feel free to dwell on me, while the rest of the world laughs at the DNA defective in the White House.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-03-10   11:55:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: bluegrass (#144)

If someone's claiming to be president, I'd say we have a right to know who he is.

Purely a 20th century phenomonem. I could care less what he does in private or did 20 years ago.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:55:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: war (#146)

I'm saying that the dollar is worth less (it buys less) now than it was in 1912. Do you disagree with that?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   11:57:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: Jethro Tull (#147)

Feel free to dwell on me

Not dwelling...compating.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   11:58:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: bluegrass (#149)

I'm saying that the dollar is worth less (it buys less) now than it was in 1912. Do you disagree with that?

It's not that cut and dried a proposition, mon frer.

That said, according to what you have provided above, it does.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   12:05:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: war (#148)

I could care less what he does in private or did 20 years ago.

Tell me again why there are so many crooks, pedophiles and freaks in office?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   12:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: bluegrass (#145)

My point is that it increased overall when it was a defined and measured unit.

Actually, what you've provided shows that it decreased.

{Part of the problem is that you gold bugs don't allow for the fact that the value of gold becomes free flaoting as well when it is no longer tied to a currency and that speculation can lead to over-valuation.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   12:07:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: bluegrass (#152)

Tell me again why there are so many crooks, pedophiles and freaks in office?

Tell my why there are so many in any neighborhood.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   12:08:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: war (#151)

That said, according to what you have provided above, it does.

Then provide info showing that the buying power of the dollar has increased since the imposition of the Federal Reserve. IOW, show me how the Fed has been beneficial to all of us. As you appear to defend its existence, surely you can do at least that.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   12:09:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: bluegrass (#155)

Then provide info showing that the buying power of the dollar has increased since the imposition of the Federal Reserve.

Using CPI it exists on this page and was provided by you.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   12:10:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: war (#153)

you gold bugs...

Earth to war:

I've already stated that you're incorrect on that. Kindly update your database.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   12:10:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: bluegrass (#155)

IOW, show me how the Fed has been beneficial to all of us.

I told you wahy. It removed the Congress from the equation. At every monetary turn they either reacted too slowly, overreacted, or simply failed to act.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   12:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: war (#156)

LOL!

No wonder you think Obama's the man. You can't even discern when you've been screwed.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   12:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: bluegrass (#159)

1.00 = 77 cents is a decrease in value correct?

war  posted on  2009-03-10   12:13:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: war (#158)

At every monetary turn they either reacted too slowly, overreacted, or simply failed to act.

And the Fed has been the model of restraining the money powers?

How much LSD do you eat?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   12:13:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: All (#158)

Oops...used either and gave three...that's death by verbosity where I come from...

Kinda like ending a statement with a preposition...

war  posted on  2009-03-10   12:14:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: war (#160)

It' an increase in buying power.

Hello? Anyone home?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   12:14:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: war (#154)

Tell my why there are so many in any neighborhood.

In most civilized societies, crooks and pedophiles don't end up being rewarded for their crimes. In my neighborhood, they end up dead, in jail or at least with an ass-kicking.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   12:26:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: bluegrass (#161)

And the Fed has been the model of restraining the money powers?

Have you been paying attention to how the Fed has actually starved the system of dollars? Has it escaped your attention that in this "crisis" that the value of the dollar has RISEN?

war  posted on  2009-03-10   13:17:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: bluegrass (#163)

It' an increase in buying power.

Nope.

Do I need to explain to you what inflation is when it comes to purchasing power? It ERODES it.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   13:22:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: bluegrass (#164)

In my neighborhood, they end up dead, in jail or at least with an ass-kicking.

I'd like to see a news story from your neighborhood regarding the routine lynchings or assaults of pedophiles.

Start with the local priest.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   13:24:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: war (#165)

Have you been paying attention to how the Fed has actually starved the system of dollars?

Really?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   13:30:04 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: bluegrass (#168)

Your graph made my point, doof.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   13:37:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: war (#166)

Do I need to explain to you what inflation is when it comes to purchasing power? It ERODES it.

Inflation IS the erosion of purchasing power. That power is eroded by actual wealth being bled from us via the imposition of central banking.

IOW, the Federal Reserve exists to rip us off via that erosion/inflation.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   13:37:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: war (#169)

An increase in the money supply isn't a starvation of dollars.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   13:38:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: bluegrass (#168)

war  posted on  2009-03-10   13:39:39 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: bluegrass (#171)

An increase in the money supply isn't a starvation of dollars.

Wha...huh?

war  posted on  2009-03-10   13:41:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: bluegrass (#171)

An increase in the money supply isn't a starvation of dollars.

If you needed $5.00 to complete a purchase and I gave you $2.00...I've increased your money supply have I not?

war  posted on  2009-03-10   13:42:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: bluegrass (#170)

war  posted on  2009-03-10   13:47:00 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: war (#174)

If you needed $5.00 to complete a purchase and I gave you $2.00...I've increased your money supply have I not?

If you keep creating money out of thin air (fractional reserve banking), you're not starving the system of dollars.

Explain the velocity of money in two words. I know you can do it.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   13:50:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: bluegrass (#176)

If you keep creating money out of thin air (fractional reserve banking), you're not starving the system of dollars.

Money gets "created" several different ways but mostly through the demand for dollars which can then "turn over" in the economy several times over - as the last chart above shows. I can create 10billion bushels of corn out of a fractional amount of seed but if the demnd is for 15billion bushels what happens?

Why are assets used as leverage rather than collateral?

war  posted on  2009-03-10   13:56:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: bluegrass (#176)

Explain the velocity of money in two words

I did above...turn over...change hands...me give...you take...

war  posted on  2009-03-10   13:57:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: war (#177)

Money gets "created" several different ways

It's created by banks. Even the Federal Reserve used to admit it before they pulled this book:

Modern Money Mechanics

"Changes in the quantity of money may originate with actions of the Federal Reserve System (the central bank), depository institutions (principally commercial banks), or the public. The major control, however, rests with the central bank. The actual process of money creation takes place primarily in banks.

As noted earlier, checkable liabilities of banks are money. These liabilities are customers' accounts. They increase when customers deposit currency and checks and when the proceeds of loans made by the banks are credited to borrowers' accounts. In the absence of legal reserve requirements, banks can build up deposits by increasing loans and investments so long as they keep enough currency on hand to redeem whatever amounts the holders of deposits want to convert into currency. This unique attribute of the banking business was discovered many centuries ago. It started with goldsmiths.

As early bankers, they initially provided safekeeping services, making a profit from vault storage fees for gold and coins deposited with them. People would redeem their "deposit receipts" whenever they needed gold or coins to purchase something, and physically take the gold or coins to the seller who, in turn, would deposit them for safekeeping, often with the same banker. Everyone soon found that it was a lot easier simply to use the deposit receipts directly as a means of payment.

These receipts, which became known as notes, were acceptable as money since whoever held them could go to the banker and exchange them for metallic money. Then, bankers discovered that they could make loans merely by giving their promises to pay, or bank notes, to borrowers.

In this way, banks began to create money. More notes could be issued than the gold and coin on hand because only a portion of the notes outstanding would be presented for payment at any one time."

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   14:02:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: war (#178) (Edited)

Try "money multiplier".

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-10   14:03:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: bluegrass (#180)

Try "money multiplier".

Try no...

Velocity is the measurement of how many times a single dollar turns over in the economy. Velocity does not increase GDP and the dollar, as measured in velocity, stays whole...unlike the...

...basic multiplier is when 1 dollar is deposited in a bank and it results in 1- minus the % in reserve requirement cents remaining being lent. That CAN and DOES increase GDP but the original dollar gets split out several times...

war  posted on  2009-03-10   14:10:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: bluegrass (#179)

Changes in the quantity of money may originate with actions of the Federal Reserve System (the central bank), depository institutions (principally commercial banks), or the public. The major control, however, rests with the central bank. The actual process of money creation takes place primarily in banks.

Which is two ways that it is created. So?

It's also created when a something is securitized using leverage in which case the market has "created" money and a bank or the Fed steps in and meets the demand.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   14:13:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: bluegrass (#179)

Changes in the quantity of money may originate with actions of the Federal Reserve System (the central bank), depository institutions (principally commercial banks), or the public. The major control, however, rests with the central bank. The actual process of money creation takes place primarily in banks.

Actually...that is three ways...

I've read through that several times now and it differs from what I've ststed here not at all.

war  posted on  2009-03-10   14:38:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: Jethro Tull (#136)

...and mama Stanley was simply a whore who liked the tar roll.

Mud shark.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-03-11   5:38:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: HOUNDDAWG, all (#184)

Good morning Mr. DAWG.

I'd like to have the time and patience to learn how Stanley Durham, single mother and welfare queen, was able to pursue a PhD in anthropology in Indonesia. Being the double digit IQ, white racist that I am, my tiny mind boggles at the mechanics necessary for this to have happened.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-03-11   5:57:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: Jethro Tull (#185)

Another PURE coincidence !

LOL

'night amigo


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-11   6:06:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: Rotara (#186)

Sleep tight, mi amigo.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-03-11   6:15:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: Jethro Tull (#185)

She may have had financial support from the American Communist Party or one of its sympathetic ancillary orgs.

Which is to say, support from the same people whose ad bux keep newspapers from printing the race of violent crime perps or most molestations committed by The Rebbe.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-03-11   7:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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