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URL Source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91097
Published: Mar 8, 2009
Author: David Wilkerson
Post Date: 2009-03-08 20:07:59 by Jethro Tull
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Famed pastor predicts imminent catastrophe Best-selling author, Teen Challenge founder, sees 'earth-shattering calamity about to happen' © 2009 WorldNetDaily David Wilkerson A respected pastor, best-selling author and founder of a major ministry to teens predicts an imminent "an earth-shattering calamity" centered in New York City that will spread to major urban areas across the country and around the world – part of what he sees as a judgment from God. David Wilkerson, author of "The Cross and the Switchblade," a book about his ministry to troubled New York street kids that was later made into a movie starring Pat Boone, tells readers of his blog this weekend that he is "compelled by the Holy Spirit to send out an urgent message" about his prediction. "An earth-shattering calamity is about to happen," he writes. "It is going to be so frightening, we are all going to tremble – even the godliest among us." Wilkerson's vision is of fires raging through New York City. "It will engulf the whole megaplex, including areas of New Jersey and Connecticut. Major cities all across America will experience riots and blazing fires – such as we saw in Watts, Los Angeles, years ago," he explains. "There will be riots and fires in cities worldwide. There will be looting – including Times Square, New York City. What we are experiencing now is not a recession, not even a depression. We are under God’s wrath. In Psalm 11 it is written, "If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?" Wilkerson is the founding pastor of Times Square Church in New York City, where he launched a ministry to gang members and drug addicts in 1958. He is a highly regarded mentor to other pastors in evangelical circles and travels the world holding conference for other Christian ministers. In this age of evil, be a champion for God and stand up for the absolute truth of Scripture, not the misconceptions you've been led to believe. Get "Shocked by the Bible: The Most Astonishing Facts You've Never Been Told" personally autographed! His work in New York in the 1950s and 1960s led to the formation of Teen Challenge – a nationwide ministry to reach out to people with life-controlling habits. Teen Challenge has grown to include 173 residential programs and numerous evangelism outreach centers in the United States, and 241 centers in 77 other countries. The program claims a recovery rate of 86 percent. The story of Wilkerson's first five years of ministry in New York is told in "The Cross and the Switchblade," a book he co-authored in 1963. The book became a best-selling phenomenon and more than 15 million copies have been distributed in over 30 languages. "God is judging the raging sins of America and the nations," claims Wilkerson. "He is destroying the secular foundations." Wilkerson urges everyone to stockpile a 30-day supply of food and other necessities to deal with the catastrophe he foresees. "I do not know when these things will come to pass, but I know it is not far off," Wilkerson concluded in his message. "I have unburdened my soul to you. Do with the message as you choose." A past vice president of the Southern Baptist Convention is hoping believers pay attention to Wilkerson's message. "I have known David Wilkerson for more than 25 years as well as many of his friends and associates," said Pastor Wiley Drake. "He is a godly man and I believe he is listening to God. I encourage each Christian to read and heed what God is saying through our brother."
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#50. To: LACUMO (#48)
We are hated because of people like you who want to murder people they disagree with. Mirror meet toilet seat licker.
I see these Real Estate signs for this one bitch around my town. I take them and thrown them in the trash. She shouldn't have ripped me off that 200 bucks back in the 90's. She wouldn't have had to buy so many new signs.
If you give me a genuine apology. I will quit picking on you and showing the world what a fool you are.
Then you must be also guilty because you are for the complete murdering of the Palestinian peoples by your zionist friends and all on here have read your words calling and cheering them on to do so. Lets see you deny it penis breath. I have it all documented blow hard.
I don't support murdering anyone. I wouldn't even want to see you murdered.
Just like those lying tv evangelists, you deny calling and cheering on the zionists death and destruction in the gaza strip as they committrd ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people including women and little children. You even got a raging hard on when you heard the zionist killed all the zoo animals. You can beg me all you want dork face, I will never let you get away with your pretending to being a christian. You and lucifer are close to being twins.
You said you have it all documented. But that was another lie wasn't it you godless hater.
I'd probably find a way to muddle through if Ole LAC kicked the bucket. ;-)
CORRECTION: God-*hater* Ole LAC has PLENTY of gods..
LAC was probably raised catholic. A lot of catholics lose faith when they grow up. If the guy would quit hating christians and lying so much. Maybe someone would take him a little more seriously.
You really are something! It was only a few weeks ago you were ranting and cheering on israhell's destruction of gaza and the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian peoples. You mean to tell another baldfaced lie and claim you did no such thing, or are you claiming you are too stupid to recall your words in support of the zionists? I do have it documented and I also know you went crying to christine. Tell me (us) you didn't get girly and run pouting to christine cuz ole LAC got the best of you and exposed your lying charade that you are a christian. Go ahead and deny it and I'll post all of what I have documented. Some people don't know when to quit. Do you penis puss?
You mischaracterize my positions.
But that was another lie wasn't it you godless hater. CORRECTION: God-*hater* Ole LAC has PLENTY of gods.. Holy shit. Another person on here that escaped from freakrepublic. Better be careful buddying up to old fag. He's not only very weird, but also a faggy foreskin muncher.
Why do you hate God (so much) ? Were you buttraped by the same gang of feral priests that got rhino ?
I never ran to Christine about anybody ever. When Christine smacks me down I ususlly tell her that I could dig up their posts that say just as bad stuff about me and write to you about it but I don't. So I suspect when Christine smacks me down she may be saying something similar to the person on the other side of the conversation. Sounds even handed.
Reverend Ike he ain't.
Oh yeah! Well straighten me out on those mischaracterizations. Print what you said, or what you thought you said(wrote) and then I'll repost what you actually said and also your crying E-mail to christine. when you were cheering on the zionist when they started the ethnic destruction and cleansing of the Palestiniabns in gaza. I can't wait to show everyone what a fool & lying christian you are. Your move sherlock!
My move lol. I'm still waiting for this documentation that you have now said you have about 5 times.
No worries there. I've seen how Old Fiend operates. You know why a lot of people cling so tightly to the idea of "all sins are forgiven and washed away by the blood of the lamb"? Because they know that they have some particularly heavy karma built up, and so they desperately cling to that notion the way a drowning man might cling to a life vest. And the moment anyone challenges that notion, they go absolutely berserk on the attack. It's truly frightening to witness. We all get angry sometimes, and flashes of temper happen here on a regular basis. No sweat, I try to let it roll off my back, goodness knows I get ticked off myself. But some people here have a truly diabolical streak in them, openly gloating when misery and death befalls those they dislike. That's bad enough in anyone, but when people like that then profess to be Christians in the next breath... wow. The sheer chutzpah and hypocrisy of it all is truly stunning. But hey, I'm willing to live and let live. If the Christians out there want to worship some dead Jew on a stick, fine by me. But the moment they start pushing that mind-wrenching, illogical irrational nonsense on me, I'm going to push it right back down their throats, and they're not going to like it.
We used to be looked up to by almost every country around the globe until we hooked up with israhell. Now we are as hated as they are. Why is that?
#51. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#49)
That's not unusual. Years ago we had a real estate broker/agent (whatever they are called) here in AZ. Used to see his signs all around on houses for sale - his name was Dick Overfelt.
#52. To: LACUMO (#48)
#53. To: Old Friend (#50)
We are hated because of people like you who want to murder people they disagree with.
#54. To: LACUMO (#53)
Then you must be also guilty because you are for the complete murdering of the Palestinian peoples by your zionist friends and all on here have read your words calling and cheering them on to do so.
#55. To: Old Friend (#54)
(Edited)
I don't support murdering anyone. I wouldn't even want to see you murdered.
#56. To: LACUMO (#55)
#57. To: Old Friend, lacumo (#54)
I wouldn't even want to see you murdered.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#58. To: Old Friend, lacumo (#56)
(Edited)
But that was another lie wasn't it you godless hater.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#59. To: Rotara (#57)
#60. To: Old Friend (#56)
You said you have it all documented. But that was another lie wasn't it you godless hater.
#61. To: LACUMO (#60)
You really are something! It was only a few weeks ago you were ranting and cheering on israhell's destruction of gaza and the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian peoples. You mean to tell another baldfaced lie and claim you did no such thing, or are you claiming you are too stupid to recall your words in support of the zionists?
#62. To: Rotara (#58)
To: Old Friend, lacumo
#63. To: lacumo, rhino369 (#62)
Holy shit. Another person on here that escaped from freakrepublic. Better be careful buddying up to old fag. He's not only very weird, but also a faggy foreskin muncher.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#64. To: LACUMO, Christine (#60)
I do have it documented and I also know you went crying to christine. Tell me (us) you didn't get girly and run pouting to christine cuz ole LAC got the best of you and exposed your lying charade that you are a christian. Go ahead and deny it and I'll post all of what I have documented. Some people don't know when to quit. Do you penis puss?
#65. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
I've already said too much.
#66. To: Old Friend (#61)
You mischaracterize my positions.
#67. To: LACUMO (#66)
Your move sherlock!
#68. To: LACUMO (#42)
He behaves just like all those preachers like jimmy sweigert, john hagee, and teddy haggard who preach the so called word of god and then sin, sin, sin away. Keep your distance Elliott.
 | Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings. |
#69. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#49)
I knew a guy who's name was Richard Whiskey. He changed it to Dan Beveridge because he got tired of everybody calling him Dick Liquor for short.
That's not unusual. Years ago we had a real estate broker/agent (whatever they are called) here in AZ. Used to see his signs all around on houses for sale - his name was Dick Overfelt.
#70. To: Elliott Jackalope (#68)
I respect your views and beliefs. I too overlook alot of peoples faults and never ever get caught up in religion. This old friend just happened to cheer on the ethnic cleansing of the Pa;estinian people in gaza and spout off that he is a christian. He got a long way to go to prove that. This old world sure has enough trouble and it appears the zionists are at the center of a lot of that trouble. I ask Old Fried why that was so and he gave me his usual phony christian answer which was no answer but a personal attack. Then the twit hasn't a clue why I shear him verbally.
But hey, I'm willing to live and let live. If the Christians out there want to worship some dead Jew on a stick, fine by me. But the moment they start pushing that mind-wrenching, illogical irrational nonsense on me, I'm going to push it right back down their throats, and they're not going to like it.
#71. To: Old Friend (#67)
Just as I thought. You are too embarrassed to restate or repost what you really said in your printed words. There is hope for you however. A sex change would make you feel better about yourself and wouldn't look as bad when you are gobbling all those foreskins.
My move lol. I'm still waiting for this documentation that you have now said you have about 5 times.
#72. To: Elliott Jackalope (#68)
You're in NO POSITION to judge ANYONE - most specifically a *CHRISTIAN* !! LOL
That's bad enough in anyone, but when people like that then profess to be Christians in the next breath... wow.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#73. To: Elliott Jackalope (#68)
Seriously. You're a complete loser and failure of a man.
But the moment they start pushing that mind-wrenching, illogical irrational nonsense on me, I'm going to push it right back down their throats, and they're not going to like it.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#74. To: Rotara (#73)
Ah, nice. Nothing like ad hominem attack to bolster your position. Yep, certainly proves your point! Oh yes. You're right and I'm wrong, it's perfectly clear, because you choose to attack me personally. Well! Your work here is done! You've proven beyond the shadow of a doubt to anyone with an IQ below 95 that you are, in fact, correct. Meaning that you and your Christian friends can now run off, content in your smug superiority, convinced that you have the market in truth cornered. Meanwhile, those of us with triple-digit IQ's will just shrug off your semi-coherent sophomoric rantings and move on to more relevant and important topics to discuss. Honestly, you're a deadly bore to debate. I'd pity any original thought that might inadvertently wander into the gaping abyss of your skull, the poor thing would die of malnutrition and loneliness...
| Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings. |
#75. To: Elliott Jackalope (#74)
I'm not trying to 'prove' anything. You're a God-hating, European-Socialist scum bag and I wouldn't trust you with my children. You're the kind of DOUCHE BAG that every patriot Constitutionalist should keep their eyes on. (*)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#76. To: Rotara (#73)
Elliott did nothing to warrant your personal attack. Do you always attack somone who you disagree with? These words by Elliott weren't directed to you and yet you saw reason to make the ugly remarks about him. Elliott said: But the moment they start pushing that mind-wrenching, illogical irrational nonsense on me, I'm going to push it right back down their throats, and they're not going to like it. Do you have some kind of problem?
Seriously. You're a complete loser and failure of a man.
#77. To: Rotara (#75) (Edited)
I'm not trying to 'prove' anything. Actually, yes, you are. If you weren't, you wouldn't be posting here. That's rather disingenuous of you right there. You're a God-hating, European-Socialist scum bag and I wouldn't trust you with my children. Wrong again, Sparky. I have nothing against "God", but I do have a lot against "religion". I'm personally of the opinion that there is more than this life, that we do, in fact, survive death, and that it is more likely than not that there is, in fact, a "great mind" behind this reality. However, I don't pretend to understand that mind, to know what it wants, or to say that I have the authority to speak on His behalf. And THAT is where I end up butting heads with the likes of the religious bigots, simpletons and Bible- thumpers here and elsewhere. As far as my being a "European-Socialist scum bag" is concerned, the reason I keep pointing out how they do things in Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark is not because I'm enamored with their ideology or because I'm somehow "married" to the idea that "socialism" is, by definition, wonderful. The reason I keep pointing those countries and their way of doing things out is because of the fact that they get results. Period. If our system of rabid Darwinistic robber-baron winner-takes-all capitalism was producing good results for a majority of the population, then I'd be all for it. But it's NOT and therefore I question it. Gosh, what a fool I must be. How DARE I take a look at other systems that are actually working and then suggest that we might learn something from them? I must be a crazy person! You're the kind of DOUCHE BAG that every patriot Constitutionalist should keep their eyes on. And you're the kind of narrow-minded moron that typifies and exemplifies the stereotype of the "Ugly American" that makes every other nation on the planet roll their eyes at us and laugh behind our backs.
| Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings. |
#78. To: Elliott Jackalope (#77)
I have to keep an eye on the Enemy Within, thus I have to watch sleeze bags like you as though my life depended. You're smart enough to fool a lot of stoooooopid sheeple.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#79. To: Rotara (#78)
I have to keep an eye on the Enemy Within, thus I have to watch sleeze bags like you as though my life depended. So I'm the "Enemy Within"? Wow... that's quite a statement. Allow me to take a moment to explain something to you. One of the hallmarks of adult thought is the ability to understand that most things are not binary in nature. For example, "Beavis and Butthead" were funny largely because of the fact that the two primary characters were simpletons, who's entire scope of understanding of the world around them was limited to "awesome" and "sucks". Everything they encountered was either "awesome" or "totally sucked". It was funny because it exemplified an extremely immature, unsophisticated, reactionary and ultimately moronic level of comprehension. The idea that you feel compelled to "watch me as though your life depended" is not only unfortunate, it's reflective of your woefully undeveloped worldview. Not everyone who agrees with you is your friend, and not everyone who disagrees with you is your enemy. I know this is an advanced concept requiring some willingness to consider sophisticated ideas and concepts, so take your time, take a deep breath, and think on it a while before firing off another reflexive, reactionary comment. You're smart enough to fool a lot of stoooooopid sheeple. I'm not looking to fool anyone... I don't claim to have all the answers, and I don't ever demand that others agree with me. What I do have is a lot of questions, and if I can get people to actually think about things then I consider that a win. As far as "fooling sheeple" goes, why would I bother? I find people who can't think for themselves boring and can't stand to be around them. Why would I bother to want to fool them? Let them drink their beer and watch their ball games and pray to some guy because someone else told them to. Fine by me, so long as I don't have to be around them or live like they do.
| Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings. |
#80. To: Elliott Jackalope (#79)
It was your choice. No one forced you.
So I'm the "Enemy Within"? Wow... that's quite a statement.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#81. To: Rotara (#80)
Allow me to share a few quotes with you and others on this board. “Patriotism is fierce as a fever, pitiless as the grave, blind as a stone and as irrational as a headless hen.” - Ambrose Bierce “Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of idiocy.” - George Bernard Shaw “A patriot sets himself apart in his own country under his own flag, sneers at other nations and keeps an army of uniformed assassins on hand at heavy expense to grab slices of other people’s countries and keep them from grabbing slices of his. In the intervals between campaigns he washes the blood off his hands and works for ‘the universal brotherhood of man’ - with his mouth.” - Mark Twain, "The Lowest Animal" “Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all others because you were born in it.” - William Shakespeare “If the test of patriotism comes only by reflexively falling into lockstep behind the leader whenever the flag is waved, then what we have is a formula for dictatorship, not democracy... But the American way is to criticize and debate openly, not to accept unthinkingly the doings of government officials of this or any other country.” - Michael Parenti I've got some bad news for you Sparky, if anyone here is "The Enemy Within", it's you...
| Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings. |
#82. To: Elliott Jackalope (#81)
You're nothing but a fraud, a pretender, a poseur and overall massive pussy.
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." --Thomas Jefferson*
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#83. To: Elliott Jackalope (#81)
"The essential principles of our Government... form the bright constellation which has gone before us and guided our steps through an age of revolution and reformation. The wisdom of our sages and blood of our heroes have been devoted to their attainment. They should be the creed of our political faith, the text of civic instruction, the touchstone by which to try the services of those we trust; and should we wander from them in moments of error or of alarm, let us hasten to retrace our steps and to regain the road which alone leads to peace, liberty and safety." --1st Inaugural Address, 1801. Thomas Jefferson
YSAFPOS
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#84. To: Elliott Jackalope (#81)
"When [the moral sense] is wanting, we endeavor to supply the defect by education, by appeals to reason and calculation, by presenting to the being so unhappily conformed, other motives to do good and to eschew evil, such as the love, or the hatred, or the rejection of those among whom he lives, and whose society is necessary to his happiness and even existence; demonstrations by sound calculation that honesty promotes interest in the long run; the rewards and penalties established by the laws; and ultimately the prospects of a future state of retribution for the evil as well as the good done while here. These are the correctives which are supplied by education, and which exercise the functions of the moralist, the preacher, and legislator; and they lead into a course of correct action all those whose depravity is not too profound to be eradicated." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Law, 1814. ME 14:142 "The compulsions of the law seem to have been provided for those only who require compulsions." --Thomas Jefferson to Albemarle County Commissioners, 1780. Papers 15:590 "That every man shall be made virtuous by any process whatever is, indeed, no more to be expected than that every tree shall be made to bear fruit, and every plant nourishment. The brier and bramble can never become the vine and olive; but their asperities may be softened by culture, and their properties improved to usefulness in the order and economy of the world." --Thomas Jefferson to Cornelius Camden Blatchly, 1822. ME 15:399 "I know but one code of morality for man whether acting singly or collectively. He who says I will be a rogue when I act in company with a hundred others, but an honest man when I act alone, will be believed in the former assertion, but not in the latter." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1789. ME 7:449, Papers 15:367
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"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#85. To: Rotara (#82)
I have attempted to discuss and debate with you evenhandedly, fairly and with a sense of decency and fair play. You have responded with ad hominem attacks and insults. As of now I wash my hands of you. You're a bully, a simpleton and a bore, there is nothing to be gained by debating with you, and I refuse to be dragged down to your level. Find someone else to dump your venom on, you certainly do seem to have an astonishing excess of it available.
| Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings. |
#86. To: Elliott Jackalope (#85)
"The human character, we believe, requires in general constant and immediate control to prevent its being biased from right by the seductions of self-love." --Thomas Jefferson to Pierre Samuel Dupont de Nemours, 1816. ME 14:489 "Self-love... is the sole antagonist of virtue, leading us constantly by our propensities to self-gratification in violation of our moral duties to others. Accordingly, it is against this enemy that are erected the batteries of moralists and religionists, as the only obstacle to the practice of morality. Take from man his selfish propensities, and he can have nothing to seduce him from the practice of virtue. Or subdue those propensities by education, instruction or restraint, and virtue remains without a competitor." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Law, 1814. ME 14:140 "A regard for reputation and the judgment of the world may sometimes be felt where conscience is dormant." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Livingston, 1825. ME 16:114 "I fear, from the experience of the last twenty-five years, that morals do not of necessity advance hand in hand with the sciences." --Thomas Jefferson to M. Correa de Serra, 1815. ME 14:331
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"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#87. To: Elliott Jackalope (#85)
"In every government on earth is some trace of human weakness, some germ of corruption and degeneracy, which cunning will discover, and wickedness insensibly open, cultivate and improve." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIV, 1782. ME 2:207 "What institution is insusceptible of abuse in wicked hands?" --Thomas Jefferson to L. H. Girardin, 1815. ME 14:270 "Mankind soon learn to make interested uses of every right and power which they possess, or may assume." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIII, 1782. ME 2:164 "[Montesquieu wrote in Spirit of the Laws, III,c.3:] 'When virtue is banished, ambition invades the minds of those who are disposed to receive it, and avarice possesses the whole community." --Thomas Jefferson: copied into his Commonplace Book. "Cannibals are not to be found in the wilds of America only, but are reveling on the blood of every living people." --Thomas Jefferson to Charles Clay, 1815. ME 14:234 "[Algernon Sidney wrote in Discourses Concerning Government, Sect. II, Par. 8:] 'Those who have no sense of right, reason or religion, have a natural propensity to make use of their strength to the destruction of such as are weaker than they.'" --Thomas Jefferson: copied into his Commonplace Book. "The nation who [has] never admitted a chapter of morality into her political code,... [will] boldly [avow] that whatever power [she] can make hers is hers of right." --Thomas Jefferson to John Langdon, 1810. (*) ME 12:375 "It was not expected in this age, that nations so honorably distinguished by their advances in science and civilization, would suddenly cast away the esteem they had merited from the world and, revolting from the empire of morality, assume a character in history which all the tears of their posterity will never wash from its pages." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to Philadelphia Democratic Republicans, 1808. ME 16:303 "I do not believe with the Rochefoucaults and the Montaignes that fourteen out of fifteen men are rogues. I believe a great abatement from that proportion may be made in favor of general honesty. But I have always found that rogues would be uppermost, and I do not know that the proportion is too strong for the higher orders and for those who, rising above the swinish multitude, always contrive to nestle themselves into the places of power and profit. These rogues set out with stealing the people's good opinion, and then steal from them the right of withdrawing it, by contriving laws and associations against the power of the people themselves." --Thomas Jefferson to Mann Page, 1795. ME 9:306 "Such is the moral construction of the world, that no national crime passes unpunished in the long run... Were your present oppressors to reflect on the same truth, they would spare to their own countries the penalties on their present wrongs which will be inflicted on them in future times. The seeds of hatred and revenge which they [sow] with a large hand will not fail to produce their fruits in time. Like their brother robbers on the highway, they suppose the escape of the moment a final escape and deem infamy and future risk countervailed by present gain." --Thomas Jefferson to Francois de Marbois, 1817. ME 15:130 "Crooked schemes will end by overwhelming their authors and coadjutors in disgrace, and... he alone who walks strict and upright, and who, in matters of opinion, will be contented that others should be as free as himself, and acquiesce when his opinion is fairly overruled, will attain his object in the end." --Thomas Jefferson to Gideon Granger, 1804. ME 11:25 "If pride of character be of worth at any time, it is when it disarms the efforts of malice." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Nelson, 1781. ME 4:364, Papers 4:677 "There are various ways of keeping truth out of sight." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.VI, 1782. ME 2:95 "Truths necessary for our own character must not be suppressed out of tenderness to its calumniators." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1815. ME 14:291 "In truth, I do not recollect in all the animal kingdom a single species but man which is eternally and systematically engaged in the destruction of its own species. What is called civilization seems to have no other effect on him than to teach him to pursue the principle of bellum omnium in omnia [war of all against all] on a larger scale, and in place of the little contests of tribe against tribe, to engage all the quarters of the earth in the same work of destruction. When we add to this that as to the other species of animals, the lions and tigers are mere lambs compared with man as a destroyer, we must conclude that it is in man alone that nature has been able to find a sufficient barrier against the too great multiplication of other animals and of man himself, an equilibrating power against the fecundity of generation." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1797. ME 9:360 "When great evils happen, I am in the habit of looking out for what good may arise from them as consolations to us, and Providence has in fact so established the order of things, as that most evils are the means of producing some good." --Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 1800. ME 10:173
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"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#88. To: Rotara (#30)
Really, in todays world even the most skeptical should be filing that under the "Stopped clock twice a day" category...
Bring on the Depression. Bring it the F*** ON! If digging ditches and eating beans for a few years is what it takes for me to see some worthless sacks of crap bankers and politicians living in sack cloth and being spat upon by my fellow Americans well... where's my shovel?!?!
#89. To: MUDDOG (#65)
Or Gino Cimoli for that matter.
Reverend Ike he ain't.
#90. To: Elliott Jackalope (#81)
“Patriotism is fierce as a fever, pitiless as the grave, blind as a stone and as irrational as a headless hen.” - Ambrose Bierce “Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of idiocy.” - George Bernard Shaw “A patriot sets himself apart in his own country under his own flag, sneers at other nations and keeps an army of uniformed assassins on hand at heavy expense to grab slices of other people’s countries and keep them from grabbing slices of his. In the intervals between campaigns he washes the blood off his hands and works for ‘the universal brotherhood of man’ - with his mouth.” - Mark Twain, "The Lowest Animal" “Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all others because you were born in it.” - William Shakespeare “If the test of patriotism comes only by reflexively falling into lockstep behind the leader whenever the flag is waved, then what we have is a formula for dictatorship, not democracy... But the American way is to criticize and debate openly, not to accept unthinkingly the doings of government officials of this or any other country.” - Michael Parenti If those definitions are true, then I am not a patriot. I have a problem with those definitions, even if they are written by "famous" people. I believe those are definitions of nationalism, not patriotism. Patriots, IMO, are loyal to the people (of like mind, admittedly), not to the government. I'm not so loyal to the people that want to loot this country. If I am wrong about that, then I'm an anarchist of some sort and not a patriot.
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