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Title: America is losing its religion
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URL Source: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/29612053#29603915
Published: Mar 11, 2009
Author: MSNBC
Post Date: 2009-03-11 23:57:44 by richard9151
Keywords: None
Views: 811
Comments: 17

Video here; today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/29612053#29603915

Again, this is something that reminds me of parts of the Book of Revelation.

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#5. To: richard9151 (#0)

I noticed that the reporterette, Anne Thompson, started off her monologue with "Freedom of religion, a bedrock principle of the American way of life...". Why the hell won't they give the SECOND AMENDMENT the same 'reverence'???

As for the death of 501(c)(3) businesses masquerading as churches, it can't come quick enough.

X-15  posted on  2009-03-12   12:31:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: X-15 (#5)

. Why the hell won't they give the SECOND AMENDMENT the same 'reverence'???

Because to them, Jesus was a pacifist wimp that totally failed in His job, according to preachers and theologians.

But I better not get started. I made a promise not to get involved anymore in religious discussions. I hope no one considers this a broken promise because I consider this a Constitutional discussion.

PSUSA  posted on  2009-03-12   12:54:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: PSUSA (#6)

because I consider this a Constitutional discussion.

Which strongly illustrates the difference between me and you; my faith is in Jehovah God, and not in papers written by, for and enforced by men.

And this refers specifically to the Constitution, which is one of the most deeply flawed documents ever written, as I have posted about endlessly, back when.

richard9151  posted on  2009-03-12   15:43:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: richard9151 (#9)

my faith is in Jehovah God, and not in papers written by, for and enforced by men.

Who is reponsible for "explaining" the scriptures to JWs as well as changing the Bible to make the "correct" JW Bible? Answer: Men.
Who are The Watchtower? Answer: Men.

IndieTX  posted on  2009-03-12   15:57:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: IndieTX (#12)

Who is reponsible for "explaining" the scriptures to JWs as well as changing the Bible to make the "correct" JW Bible?

Indie, have you ever read the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures? No? Well, guess what? I have. In addition, as I have mentioned numerous times, I have about 12 different translations of the Bible, AND, I started my studies using a King James, which I checked against the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures. I checked other translations as well. Do you know the difference, Indie? Easier to understand. That is it. OK?

Who are The Watchtower? Answer: Men.

And, who was Jesus Christ? Oh, right, a man.

1 Timothy 2:55 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

So your point is?

And as far as your point about explaining the Scritures to the Witnesses, as many, many have told me after they have been around the Kingdom Hall for some time, they never had any idea before of what it meant to ACTUALLY study the Bible.

No one lies to people who study the Bible for 40 or 50 years, Indie, hard as that is for someone like you to understand. But that means study it! Not set it on a shelf and look at it's cover daily. It means actually opening it and reading what it says, and doing so daily, as most of my friends do.

After you do that for some time, THEN, and only THEN, do you begin to understand the power and the beauty, as well as the great wisdom, within the Bible. You should try it sometime, Indie, with people who actually try and live by what the Bible teaches. You would, just as I was, be amazed at the difference.

richard9151  posted on  2009-03-12   16:44:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: richard9151, allthekings'horseswontdoit (#14) (Edited)

And, who was Jesus Christ? Oh, right, a man.

You've just denied the deity of Christ with your extra JW Bible comma and changing "the man" to "a man" in 1 tim 2:5 The JW are so good at that.

I broke my pledge as well not to respond on these threads. Back on the wagon.

IndieTX  posted on  2009-03-12   18:47:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: IndieTX (#15)

You've just denied the deity of Christ

OK, Indie. So lets do it differently; what was Paul? Oh, right, a man.

What was John? Oh, right, a man.

What was Matthew? Oh, right, a man.

What was Luke? Oh, right, a man.

What was Mark? Oh, right, a man.

What was Timothy? Oh, right, a man.

Need I continue? I mean, there are a lot more apostles and early church fathers that can be named, and unless I am mistaken, all of them were; Oh, right, a man.

Then you can start with the Old Books of Scripture and name Moses, Noah, Isaiah and etc. And they were? Oh, right, a man... each and every one of them.

The point being, Indie, that Jehovah God has NEVER had a problem using men to do His Work on the earth. And generally speaking, you know when such men are correct by the fruitage of their work.

Let me give you an example; in 1919, when the leading elders of the Bible Students (to be named Jehovah's Witnesses in the 1930s) were arrested and charged with sedition (for not supporting WWI), there were a total of several hundred Bible students. Today, there are more than 7 million Witnesses in 230 lands world wide, with more than 6.5 million Bible students learning about the Bible. As an example, it is estimated that there will be needed (and built) more than 300 Kingdom Halls in Mexico THIS YEAR.

I expect that the number of baptized Witnesses will exceed 8 million by the end of this year. This is happening in a world that is losing its religion, because this is not a religion; it is a way of life. Hope you are paying attention, Indie.

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