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Title: Secret State Police Report: Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Libertarians are Terrorists
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URL Source: http://www.infowars.com/secret-stat ... n-libertarians-are-terrorists/
Published: Mar 12, 2009
Author: Kurt Nimmo
Post Date: 2009-03-12 08:55:31 by PSUSA
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#1. To: PSUSA (#0)

excellent post.

winston_smith  posted on  2009-03-12   9:49:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: PSUSA (#0)

While Archimedes is rightly revered for his many imperishable contributions to science, he could also be considered the first recorded victim of lethal police brutality.

A native of Syracuse, Archimedes did his considerable best in the doomed but worthy effort to repel Roman invaders. Following the conquest, Roman soldiers were dispatched to "pacify" the restive streets of the newly conquered city.

One afternoon, so the story goes, Archimedes was sitting inoffensively at the side of a street drawing geometric equations in the sand when some mouth-breather in Roman military garb trod heedlessly on the improvised tablet, ruining the elderly scientist's calculations.

By this time, the venerable physicist was in his ninth decade, and he saw no point in enduring this act of thoughtless vandalism by an armored imbecile to pass without protest.

"Please don't disturb my circles," Archimedes insisted in what was probably a direct but polite tone of voice.

Like law enforcement officers who would follow in his footsteps – albeit in jackboots rather than sandals – the Roman soldier took offense that a mere civilian, and an elderly one at that, would demand deference from someone wearing the uniform and insignia of authority.

If the technology had been available, the Roman quite likely would have given Archimedes a "ride on the Taser." Instead, the thug withdrew his sword and summarily killed him.

Some might object that this crime was committed by a soldier in an occupying army, not by a civilian police officer. That objection has merit, if only to underscore what should be an obvious fact: Our militarized government police force is an army of occupation.

It makes little difference whether law enforcement personnel are of the federal or "local" variety, or whether they are dressed in quasi-civilian attire or kitted out in full paramilitary drag. American civilians are generally expected to render to law enforcement personnel the kind of docile submission that Archimedes – at the price of his life – refused to offer the Roman soldier who was patrolling his neighborhood in Syracuse.

Under the martial law mind-set, civilians are to give instant and unqualified obedience to any armed individual in a state-issued costume. I had plenty of experience with this attitude while living in Guatemala under martial law following the 1983 military coup that ousted CIA-installed President Efrain Rios Montt.

Anybody who has spent any time in airports since 9-11 will likewise recognize that mentality. And Portuguese-born Canadian citizen Desiderio Fortunato can testify about the treatment one can expect if he insists on rudimentary courtesy from the anencephalic knuckle-draggers who act as border guards for the Department of Homeland Tyranny.

Mr. Fortunato resides in British Columbia and maintains a part-time home in Washington State. He regularly crosses the border separating quasi-socialist Canada into the quasi-fascist U.S.A.

Like many people, he resents being treated like a criminal or a domesticated animal; unlike most, he actually does something about it – specifically, he insists that border guards display a particle of courtesy when issuing instructions to people driving through the border crossing.

This takes a certain admirable temerity of the sort one wouldn't expect in a 54-year-old professional jazz dancer, but such is Fortunato's honest profession, and such is his disposition.

According to Fortunato, he has often chided Canadian border guards by asking them to say "please" when telling him to shut off his motor or perform other tasks. This request is generally honored, often with a sheepish grin – on the Canadian side of the border, that is.

Last week, during a crossing into the United States, Fortunato was gruffly instructed to turn off his engine by a tax-fattened time-server.

"Excuse me sir – `please,'" Fortunato replied. It would have taken a tiny fraction of a single second to honor that reasonable request. But had the border guard done so he would have been deferring to a mere mundane, someone not clad in the sacred vestments of the Most High and Holy State. So the ill-tempered drudge escalated his demands, finally threatening to assault Fortunato with pepper spray.

Fortunato – showing that, in the language of Louis L'Amour, he had more "sand" than an entire concert hall full of Republican Chickenhawks – stood his ground. So the thug pepper-sprayed him, and, with the help of several of his fellow trough-swillers, gang-tackled and handcuffed the middle-aged professional dancer. Fortunato was held for three hours before being released – without apology – into Canada.

Let's be clear about something: This had absolutely nothing to do with protecting the borders of the United States from terrorists or any other threat. An actual terrorist would go out of his way to be inconspicuous. The assault on Fortunato was intended to punish him for failing to display proper submissiveness to the Man In The Uniform.

"Our officers will give direct orders or commands to passengers," explained Mike Milne, a spokesdrone for the Customs and Border Protection (CPB) agency. "It is the obligation of the passenger to be compliant with those." (Emphasis added.) The same point was made by Tom Schreiber, CPB Staffelführer in Blaine, Washington: "This is not a situation where we're asking; this is a situation where we're ordering you to do that." (Emphasis added.)

Once again: Whenever a civilian is told that he is subject to the "orders" of someone in uniform, martial law exists.

A few weeks before Fortunato was treated to a chemical-weapon assault by the heroic guardians of our sacred northern frontier, a photographer named Robert Taylor (no, not that Robert Taylor) was accosted by a police officer while attempting to take a photo of a train.

"The cop wanted my ID, and I showed it to him," Taylor told the New York Times. "He told me I couldn't take the pictures. I told him that's not true, that the rules permitted it. He said I was wrong. I said, `I'm willing to bet your paycheck.'"

Of course, Taylor was right and the tax-gobbler was wrong: The photographer was able to call up the relevant transit authority rule on his BlackBerry. But that didn't end the matter, of course.

A police sergeant materialized and immediately began lying on behalf of his subordinate: The sergeant insisted that their rules were different from those of the transit authority, a claim intended – once again – to get Taylor to yield to those garbed in the accoutrements of the State's priestly caste.

Taylor wasn't having any of it. "I [told the sergeant], `If you feel I'm wrong, give me a summons and I'll see everyone in court.' The sergeant told them to arrest me." The photographer was handcuffed and given a batch of summonses, all of them spurious and most of them quickly dismissed.

The one significant charge the police insist on pressing is "disorderly conduct," which supposedly took the form of speaking to the officers in an "unreasonable voice." "Unreasonable" in this instance refers to a tone of voice other than one associated with timid, cringing submission.

This is the same supposed offense that got Archimedes killed, and led to the assault on Desiderio Fortunato: Mr. Taylor refused to behave like a whipped dog when confronted by an armed bureaucrat. In fact, he insisted on treating the officers as equals before the law, rather than the incarnation of The Law.

Martial law exists anywhere an individual can find himself arrested, assaulted, or murdered simply for insisting on being treated as a free man. The 2006 murder of Michael Kreca in San Diego provides the most compelling example I've seen that such a condition exists – albeit in a latent form – wherever government police are found.

Kreca, a gentle and unassuming man and accomplished writer specializing in freedom-related issues, was walking in Sorrento Mesa one morning in when he was accosted by two police officers – Officer Samantha Fleming and Sgt. Elmer Edwards – who claimed they had heard gunshots. Kreca replied that he had not been shooting and hadn't heard gunfire.

He consented to a body search (during which his arms were physically restrained by the officers) that turned up, in the waistband of his baggy casual clothes, a 9mm pistol the Navy veteran carried for personal protection.

According to the official police account, Officer Fleming told Kreca that she was going to handcuff him "for her safety."

"No, you're not going to do that," replied Kreca. "Let me go; I want to leave."

Bear in mind that Kreca had consented to a pat-down search, something he wouldn't have done if he harbored violent intentions toward the officers. They had no reason to treat Kreca as a threat, much less to arrest him – apart from the arrogant assumption, typical of their professional tribe, that a civilian in possession of a firearm is a "threat."

As Kreca tried to leave, a needless and pointless scuffle ensued. It ended when Sergeant Elmer Edwards valiantly placed his gun against Kreca's chest and fired twice, killing him.

Predictably, an official inquiry found that Sgt. Edwards "acted within the law," since California statutes permit police "to use deadly force to protect themselves and members of the public from serious injury or death...." The same report by the District Attorney acknowledged that "Irrespective of any laws applicable to situations where peace officers use deadly force in accomplishing their duties, the law of self-defense is available to any person" and that homicide is justifiable "when resisting an attempt by a person to commit grave bodily injury or to kill any person."

This observation was intended as a supplemental defense for the officers who murdered Kreca, since Sgt. Edwards insisted that he was afraid Kreca was reaching for his gun. This made no sense, given that Kreca was confronting two armed individuals and hadn't resisted at all until the police threatened to shackle him.

And it shouldn't be forgotten that the kill-shots were executed with the gun in the victim's chest, not by an officer diving for cover in fear for his or her life.

Furthermore, after the police murdered Kreca they found that his gun wasn't loaded – which means that he couldn't have shot them even if he had wanted to. So the "justifiable homicide" defense here is based on the subjective impression on the part of Sgt. Edwards that Kreca was going to shoot him and his partner with an empty gun. That assumes, of course, that Edwards' account of the shooting itself wasn't perjury, which is never a safe assumption in incidents of this kind.

Kreca had much more to fear from the police than they had to fear from him. The proof of this proposition resides in the simple fact that he is dead, and his murderers continue to pollute the earth.

"The truth is told by whoever is left standing," explained Tom Zarek, Battlestar Galactica's resident arch-Machiavel, after he presided over the massacre of his political opponents. Kreca is dead, his murderers agree on a cover story, and those with the authority to prosecute the crime have accepted that account as the "truth."

In practically every jurisdiction in this once-free land, it is a "criminal offense" – and often a felony – to disarm a "peace officer." Why isn't it a crime to disarm a law-abiding citizen?

Michael Kreca's only "crime" in this affair was his failure to display the docility of an ancient Spartan helot – that is, a member of class not protected by law, and subject to summary execution at the whim of the Krypteia (ancient Sparta's militarized secret police).

Every encounter between civilians and the state's armed enforcers has the potential to escalate into an episode of state-inflicted lethal violence. If we permit them – and only our principled resistance, peaceful where possible, but forceful where necessary, is the only thing that will stop them – those who presume to rule us intend to reduce us to abject helotry. And the question is not whether this will happen, since it's already taking place.

www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w84.html

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2009-03-12   9:57:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: PSUSA (#0)

"Additionally, there are fears the National Guard will be forced to confiscate weapons and enforce marshal law."

Did some affirmative action hire write this?

... now with Solium™!

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-03-12   10:32:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#2)

Bullshit. Cops are our friends. These people were looking for trouble.

Of course that was sarcasm, but I bet you know that.

The cop that shot the man in the chest was probably confused, he thought he was going for his taser. That someone here, of all places, used that excuse boggles my mind.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-03-12   10:38:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: PSUSA, *libertarians* (#0)

ping

but the sheiks would shriek and the barons would bellow if hemp was made legal...and people became mellow

freepatriot32  posted on  2009-03-12   12:35:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: PSUSA (#0)

Abe Foxman and his ADL thugs ride again.

www.adl.org/LEARN/Events_2001/events_2003_flashmap.asp

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-03-12   20:43:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)

oh, this one is good....they are of their father the devil....LIARS:

Tax Protest Movement - Extremism in America

"....Criminal Activities: Tax Attacks

The tax protest movement not only grew during the 1970s, it also grew more radical. Many tax protesters moved easily from believing that the tax laws were illegitimate to concluding that the entire government was in various ways illegitimate. The most notorious tax protest group to take this particular tack was the Posse Comitatus, a loosely organized group that began in Oregon and California around 1970 and spread to the rest of the country during the next decade. Posse adherents urged the use of vigilante justice to protect the citizenry from an unlawful, tyrannical government. As early as 1972, a Posse group in Michigan sent threatening notices to local law enforcement agencies about their enforcement of state tax laws against a tax protester named George Kindred. Two years later, Wisconsin Posse activist Thomas Stockheimer and several followers lured an I.R.S. agent to a farm and assaulted him. By the early 1980s, groups like the Posse had developed into an entirely new anti-government movement, the "sovereign citizen" movement, many of whose members continued to be active in the tax protest movement. Many of the intimidating and harassing tactics developed by sovereign citizens, like placing bogus liens on the property of public officials and law enforcement officers, were originally designed for use against I.R.S. agents and employees. Several leaders of the sovereign citizen movement were adherents of Christian Identity, a racist and anti-Semitic religion. Increasingly, tax protest leaders were Christian Identity as well, including Martin "Red" Beckman of Montana, Nord Davis of North Carolina and Gordon Kahl of North Dakota.

Gordon Kahl

In 1983, Kahl demonstrated to the entire nation that the tax protest movement was willing to go much further than simply evading taxes. A World War II veteran who became involved in the tax protest movement in the late 1960s, about the same time he converted to Christian Identity, Kahl stopped paying taxes in 1969; in 1973, he joined the Posse Comitatus and became a state coordinator for the Posse in Texas. The I.R.S. became interested in his activity after he appeared on television in 1974; three years later he was convicted on tax charges and sentenced to one year in jail and five years' probation. Following his release, Kahl again refused to file an income tax return, thereby violating the terms of his probation. In 1981, a warrant was issued for his arrest, but United States marshals in North Dakota, where Kahl now lived, were not eager to confront the well-armed tax resister. When they finally did attempt to bring him in, in February 1983, their earlier reluctance proved well- founded. Stopped at a roadblock, Kahl opened fire, killing two marshals and injuring several others before fleeing. It took law enforcement officers four months to track Kahl to a remote farmhouse in Arkansas, where he killed a local sheriff before dying himself in a final shootout. ......"

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/...America&xpicked=4&item=21

uh, not exactly....

"....Sheriff Gene Matthews went to the front door to remove Mrs. Ginter from the scene.

With her out of the way, the FBI started open shooting, and saturated the house with bullets; but the earth shelter house was made with concrete walls and Gordon Kahl survived through it all without a scratch. The 36 year old local Sheriff, Gene Matthews, was killed incidental to the FBI siege on the Gordon Kahl hideout.

After a while, as the firing stopped, the FBI cordoned off the house for themselves while the Delta Force animals converged on the house like starved panthers going for a piece of meat. They found Gordon Kahl alive and well inside the home, hiding behind the refrigerator. He was taken to the living room, thrown on the floor, and was worked over with the butt end of their rifles. While numerous bones were being fractured and his teeth were being smashed in, other members of Delta Force went on a rampage in the house, smashing pictures and the television set, over-turning furniture, a copier, and taking a fireman's axe and chopping up a bookshelf.

While Gordon Kahl was pinned to the floor by the 6 to 8 Delta Force panthers, still under attack from the gun butts, the FBI agent with the fireman's axe turned to Gordon Kahl himself and chopped off his hand. Then he went around and chopped off Gordon Kahl's other hand, and then both of his feet were severed. While screaming with pain and with blood gushing out profusely over the floor where his hands and feet used to be, Gordon Kahl was shot in the head at close range, killing him. ....."

The Uncensored Gordon Kahl Story

http://www.constitution.org/abus/gkahl/kahl.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-03-12   21:04:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Prefrontal Vortex, psusa (#3)

confiscate weapons and enforce marshal law."

I caught the same thing; in another part of the 8 page state document they spekt it correctly; martial. Also, what really stood out was that the document did not even mention 9/11 truth. What's up with that? That is the actual driving force for the latest surge in the patriot movement the past several years. why would they not share that with their officers? Could it be that they don't want them to look into it?

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-03-13   22:50:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Artisan (#8)

I'm beginning to doubt the genuineness of this.

I downloaded each .jpg

THe pics in the docs do not line up like they should if these were scanned.

So I'm withholding judgment on this.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-03-14   7:23:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: PSUSA, twentytwelve, original_intent (#9)

I'm beginning to doubt the genuineness of this.

I downloaded each .jpg

THe pics in the docs do not line up like they should if these were scanned.

So I'm withholding judgment on this.

I downloaded the 8 jpgs also. I too noticed some overlapping and wierd formatting on the documents. good that you pointed it out.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-03-14   12:24:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#3)

marshal law.

"Marshall Law, U.S. Deputy."

Comin' soon to your TV.

No place is better than Turtle Island.

Turtle  posted on  2009-03-14   12:38:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Turtle (#11)

hey you never answered me. you said the masons are harmless, and you scoff at all conspiracy theories.

Q. 1. are you a mason and 2. do you believe the government version of 9/11?

thanks

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-03-14   13:04:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: PSUSA (#9)

audio:

Alex Responds to MIAC Deniers

www.infowars.com/alex-responds-to-miac-deniers/

Infowars March 13, 2009

On March 11, Alex broke the story of the Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) releasing a report designating supporters of presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr as “militia” influenced terrorists. After the story was posted on Infowars, many people posted comments indicating they didn’t believe the report was legitimate, that it was fake, or Alex made it up. In the audio clip here from Alex’s radio show on March 12, Alex addresses these comments and the inability of people to believe the story

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-03-14   13:22:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Artisan (#13)

OK. I'm a "jackass". Believe me when I tell you, I have been called much worse, and sometimes it was even justified.

But he addressed nothing. The pics do not fit. Face it, it was sloppy.

But I dont care, really, if it is genuine or not. Because I already do not like and do not trust any cops. Period.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-03-14   14:24:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Artisan (#12)

Q. 1. are you a mason and 2. do you believe the government version of 9/11?

Not a Mason, and the government created the 911 Truthers to divert people's attention from the the real problems.

Why do I know this? Because I say so, just the way the "Truthers" (sic) make up nonsense about thousands of people getting together in a room to come up with the most complex and impossible conspiracy in the history of the world: remote-controlling four airplanes, planting explosives in the WTC, blaming it on Arabs, then all of them disappearing without a trace and not one of them ever mentioning a word about it for the rest of their lives.

No place is better than Turtle Island.

Turtle  posted on  2009-03-14   14:28:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: PSUSA (#14)

you bring up a good point about the 'scan'. I posted such a comment on the story, see if any response.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-03-14   14:32:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Turtle (#15)

the government created the 911 Truthers

I know you are not that ignorant.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-14   14:39:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: James Deffenbach (#17)

I know you are not that ignorant.

I am sure that Turtle forgot the /s notation.

However, there is truth to the assertion "the government created the 911 Truthers."

There arises no tyranny but that it creates resistance to itself.

Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA.
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randge  posted on  2009-03-14   14:47:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: randge (#18)

I am sure that Turtle forgot the /s notation.

I hope so. And I take your point. If the government didn't do false-flag operations to keep the sheeple alarmed and clamoring for the government to "save" them, there would be no need for people who expose their schemes and cons. As Mencken put it, "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-14   14:54:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: James Deffenbach (#17)

he has said that he believes the government version of 911 repeatedly. and always mocks 'conspiracy theories'

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-03-14   15:01:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Artisan (#20) (Edited)

Turtles are slow...

He would probably say the same things about the reichstag fire...

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-03-14   15:15:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Artisan (#20)

he has said that he believes the government version of 911 repeatedly. and always mocks 'conspiracy theories'

Then he is indeed a Mock Turtle.

May he someday arise from the murk that he abides in and see the light.

Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA.
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randge  posted on  2009-03-14   16:03:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Turtle (#15)

Because I say so, just the way the "Truthers" (sic) make up nonsense about thousands of people getting together in a room to come up with the most complex and impossible conspiracy in the history of the world: remote-controlling four airplanes, planting explosives in the WTC, blaming it on Arabs, then all of them disappearing without a trace and not one of them ever mentioning a word about it for the rest of their lives.

My, my, my. That's the best you can do after all these years.

It's no wonder..


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-14   16:52:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: randge, Turthole (#18) (Edited)

The only things I know for certain is that a) the illegal shadow government created Al-CIA-duh, b) they've been the protagonist all over the Mid/Near East, c) they knew it was coming is allowed it to happen to capitalize with maximum effect, d) WTC-7 was demolished and they point blank lied about it, e) on 9.11.01, NORAD was diverted for (get this) TRAINING EXERCISES TO STOP PLANES FLYING INTO MAJOR BUILDINGS in ameriKa.

I guess there's much more but that's a great chunk right there.

Enjoy your world war Turthole !


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Rotara  posted on  2009-03-14   16:56:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Artisan, Turtle (#20)

he has said that he believes the government version of 911 repeatedly. and always mocks 'conspiracy theories'

Well, it could be that given enough time he might wake up. I hope so.

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-14   17:21:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: James Deffenbach, Rotara, Artisan, Turtle, all (#25)

If you read 'Turtle's' articles with what I have to accept is his real name, you'll realize that he is a very bright guy who does know what's going on here, and his alter ego is just for his own amusement and our distraction.

Don't let him 'fun' you too much.

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Lod  posted on  2009-03-14   17:37:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: lodwick, Turtle (#26)

Well, I assumed that Turtle was bright and the only fault I had found in him was bragging about his "gurls," especially after I found that youtube that had one of them right at the start of it. ahaha. That and bragging about his gnat brain (he calls it a giant brain but I think that is a typo).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-14   18:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: James Deffenbach (#27)

He's just having fun here instead of going postal, as some are close to doing.

Take many of the posts as reading the internet comics without the graphics.

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Lod  posted on  2009-03-14   18:26:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: lodwick (#28)

He's just having fun here instead of going postal, as some are close to doing.

Take many of the posts as reading the internet comics without the graphics.

Having fun is a good thing. I try to do that too.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-14   18:32:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: lodwick (#28)

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-14   18:37:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: All (#28)

For some reason, this brought Daniel to mind -

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Lod  posted on  2009-03-14   18:43:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: James Deffenbach (#30)

The brother nailed it on that one.

I wish that he were in the people's house.

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Lod  posted on  2009-03-14   18:48:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: lodwick (#26)

Open season on all Turtles.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-03-14   18:57:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: lodwick (#32)

LOL! Yeah, I think Shirley Q would be a big improvement over the brutha from Kenya.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-14   19:13:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: James Deffenbach (#34)

Shirley Q for president!

Lowad, let the Peoples speak, honey.

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randge  posted on  2009-03-14   19:39:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: James Deffenbach, all (#34)

But when they show the new/next potus, the shot(s) from the Grassy Knoll, and then ask the President elect, "Any questions, Mr.President elect?"

What the hell is he going to say?

What would you, or I say?

Every since JFK, the lobby, the shadow government has been pulling the strings, and playing the music to which we dance.

imo.

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Lod  posted on  2009-03-14   19:47:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: randge (#35)

Lowad, let the Peoples speak, honey.

And don't forget to tell yo' mama I axed how she's durrin!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-14   19:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: lodwick (#36)

What would you, or I say?

Not that I will ever get the opportunity to say it but I hope I would tell them to ef off. And I also hope that my friends, friends that I would have hired for bodyguards instead of depending on government agents, would back me up when I told them that.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-14   19:51:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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