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Title: Obama's Gun Ban List Is Out
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URL Source: http://www.rense.com/general85/obs.htm
Published: Mar 13, 2009
Author: Alan Korwin
Post Date: 2009-03-13 08:01:18 by Mind_Virus
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Obama's Gun Ban List Is Out Alan Korwin - Author Gun Laws Of America GunLaws.com 3-12-9 Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did. Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens. Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady's plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady's current plans and targets of opportunity. It's horrific. They're going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They've made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states' rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse): Rifles (or copies or duplicates): M1 Carbine, Sturm Ruger Mini-14, AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, AR-10, Thompson 1927, Thompson M1; AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR; Olympic Arms PCR; AR70, Calico Liberty , Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU, Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC, Hi-Point20Carbine, HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, Thompson 1927 Commando, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; Saiga, SAR-8, SAR-4800, SKS with detachable magazine, SLG 95, SLR 95 or 96, Steyr AU, Tavor, Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ). Pistols (or copies or duplicates): Calico M-110, MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3, Olympic Arms OA, TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10, Uzi. Shotguns (or copies or duplicates): Armscor 30 BG, SPAS 12 or LAW 12, Striker 12, Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs): A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has: (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below), (iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud. Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles). A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has: (i) a second pistol grip, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a barrel shroud or (iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and (v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds. A semiautomatic shotgun with: (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a pistol grip (see definition below), (iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and (iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder. Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits. Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any "semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General." Note that Obama's pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, "there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event." In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public. The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn't have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose -- is that devious or what? And of course, "sporting purpose" is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent. Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America www.gunlaws.com/gloa.htm Forward or send to every gun owner you know... Watch This, If You Want More Proof: YouTube - CNN- Obama To BAN Guns SPREAD THIS FOLKS, PLZ! www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv3p2lLmjGk A partial list of gun rights groups: Gun Owners of America gunowners.org/ Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership www.jpfo.org/ FREEDOM=GUNS www.tcsn.net/doncicci/freedom.htm National Rifle Association www.nra.org/ Second Amendment Committee www.libertygunrights.com/ Second Amendment Foundation www.saf.org/ Second Amendment Sisters www.2asisters.org/ Women Against Gun Control www.wagc.com/
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#25. To: X-15, Old Friend (#12)
Excellent. Thank you
I knew I should have picked up that AR-15 at the gun show over a year ago now. I didn't have a secure place to keep it, and was worried how much that would set me back.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
AR prices are all over the board today. Try thehighroad.org and look for a local FTF seller. There are people who are hurting out there and have some great deals on weapons and the food to feed'em. I just traded a Browning Citori .28 gauge, skeet model, for a pre-ban Colt AR. You just have to watch the ads to find good deals, and cash does talk.
I still don't have a secure location to keep a prize like that. Liability is a bitch, I'm still thinking along the lines of a Marlin Model 60 lightweight that holds like 18 rounds.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
The modern American bowhunter is the stealthiest SOB on the planet. They get up close and personal.
_________________________________________________________________________ For close in work nothing beats a good Shotgun or a model 1911 A-1 or both. For longer work, as long as it's not a firefight in your neighborhood, a Springfield Armory Model 1903 - very accurate and reliable. All can be had reasonably.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
And they are quiet. A definite plus for guerilla activity.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
If you've little ones that you're concerned about, just build a rack over your front entry door. Also, little ones can start training at age four in the proper handling of firearms. Good luck with it all.
I'm only looking for a firearm to defend myself against someone trying to force their way into or already in my home. I don't care about acursy at 500 yards, somebody 500 yards away would have to be pretty fucking dastardly to present an immediate threat. Right, buddy?
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Then a Remington 870 with the 18 inch barrel (the shortest allowed a civilian by law I believe. There are shorter barrelled versions but I believe that they are only available to the JBT's). I guarantee that someone taking a load of double ought in the face is not going to be an immediate threat. And to spiff it up: A few accessories to make it more functional for home defense.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
What does it weigh and how much recoil does it have?
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
I'd have to look up the spec's to give you the exact weight but with the 18 inch barrel maybe 6 pounds? The kick is what you would expect from a 12 gauge - a good bump but nothing horrendous. It depends on the size of the load. Most of the experts I've read reccomend a short barrel shotgun for home protection because you have more margin for error in nervous hands - not to mention the sound alone would scare the shit out of most intruders. Someone looking down the barrel of a 12 Gauge is not going to be inclined to argue much. With a little luck you won't have to fire it - just "show it off a bit". ;-)
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Purdy. ;-)
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Just looked it up: 7 1/4 pounds with the 18 inch barrel.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
The Model 60 is two pounds lighter, I remain convinced that it is the superior firearm for my needs.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
It is also a matter of personal preference and what you are comfortable with. I trained on the 870 (among other weapons but for some reason nobody will sell me an M-60) for security work in the service and so am comfortable with it. With some of the aftermarket mods, such as a lightweight butt and stock you can reduce the weight by nearly that 2 pound difference. Also using a strap puts most of the weight on your shoulder and so reduces the apparent difference.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
You can buy a very small safe (one or two long-guns and a pistol) that bolts to wall studs (say, inside a closet) and is easy to hide from all but the nosiest people.
_________________________________________________________________________ I need something I can keep at arms reach and maybe even have to use it like a golf club should instability reach my working class neighborhood all the sudden like. [edit]Light is the key for me. And semi-auto, I can picture myself getting beat to death as I ask the burglars if they've seen where I put the instructions on what to do if the bolt action jams.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Here's another option: Mossberg 500 Road Blocker. 5 3/4 Pounds with the 18.5 inch barrel. The .410 version for Home Security is on the same specs page. Just click on the specs tab. Needless to say a .410 has a lot less kick. Photo of Gun. I took the photo off because it was stretching the thread too badly.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Both the Remington 870 and Mossberg 590 are pump action. While it takes a little practice you can pump rounds through pretty quickly A semi-auto is more susceptible to jamming than a pump. With a pump you can usually ""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
That looks promising. Can I get it as semi-auto with short rifle stock with pearl inlays?
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
I think it only comes as a pump - I'm sure someone would do the pearl inlays - for a price. ;-)
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
No deal, I want something I can just pick up and go pop, pop, pop and all is right with the world again.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Here's a semi for ya: Mossberg 930 Tactical 18 1/2 inch barrel Mossberg Turkey Gun (24 inch barrel): Semi-Auto Pistol Grip with Butt
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
You're not even listening. I aint a'scared of ducks. You seem like a bright sort, care to help me patent the decoy ATM?
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
Hmmmm? Decoy ATM huh? Goin' Snake huntin'? Look at the 930 Tactical. There's your 8 shot semi-auto defensive shield.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
NEVER Give Up Your Guns 5 mins.wmv
There is a name for a disarmed populace: Slaves.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Gun Ban Lists, Compulsory National Youth "Service", Medical Rationing, Human Experimentation and baby killing == NATIONAL SOCIALISM Time for JURY NULLIFICATION folks.
We DON'T Need. Time for JURY NULLIFICATION folks. Quotation: "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."
Who was the genius responsible for that quote ???
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
Typical rense and i'ts probably bullshit. No independent confirmation, just links to some asshole selling his books. THe only rense articles worth a damn are the ones he links to from other sources. I dont even bother reading his posted articles. Anyone see independent confirmation of that list?
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Doctors (A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000. (B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000. (C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. Statistics courtesy of U.S.. Dept of Health and Human Services. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now think about this: Guns (A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million) (B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500. (C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188. Statistics courtesy of FBI So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do..' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR. Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!! Out of concern for the public at large, I withheld the statistics on Lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention!
Who was the genius responsible for that quote ??? wiki.monticello.org/media..._into_plows...(Quotation) Earliest known appearance in print: No appearances in print found. [1] Earliest known appearance in print, attributed to Thomas Jefferson. Other attributions: None known. Status: We have not found any evidence that Thomas Jefferson said or wrote, "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."
If you're looking for something handy, "The Judge" weighs only 32 ounces. Very effective close range and out to 7 to 12 yards. It chambers both .410 shot shells and .45 Colt cartridges. Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. Sweeeeeeeeeeeet! The .410 Magum with #4 shot would be just the ticket for discouraging intruders. Doing a mixed load - first round shot, and the rest .45 would make a good home defense weapon.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!! I agree. Doctors are simply too dangerous to be allowed loose so that anybody can get one.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Impressive stats, Twenty Twelve.
No place is better than Turtle Island.
#26. To: Original_Intent (#19)
Inaction is tantamount to supporting this evil cabal. Support those who oppose them. Support those groups standing up. While I believe fervently in the individual rights and dignity of each individual man, woman, and child upon this hellish sphere our strength now is in numbers working together to turn back the tide of darkness. Be not without hope as even in this late hour our strength is greater than theirs, and that they know, and their only grip is through our own fear. Recall well that our founders knew there are fates worse than death. The kind of slavery and degradation these psychotics bring is one such fate. Realize that you are a powerful being who CAN have a positive effect, and if enough people rise above their own fears we may yet win the day. The prize is a sane civilization where ALL may walk free.
#27. To: lodwick (#26)
#28. To: Dakmar. all (#27)
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#29. To: lodwick (#28)
#30. To: Turtle (#25)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#31. To: Dakmar (#29)
#32. To: X-15 (#30)
The modern American bowhunter is the stealthiest SOB on the planet. They get up close and personal.
#33. To: Dakmar (#29)
#34. To: Original_Intent (#31)
#35. To: Dakmar (#34)
(Edited)
I'm only looking for a firearm to defend myself against someone trying to force their way into or already in my home. I don't care about acursy at 500 yards, somebody 500 yards away would have to be pretty fucking dastardly to present an immediate threat. Right, buddy?
#36. To: Original_Intent (#35)
#37. To: Original_Intent (#35)
Then a Remington 870 with the 18 inch barrel (the shortest allowed a civilian by law I believe
Assault Weapon!! Eeek!!!
#38. To: Dakmar (#36)
#39. To: Dakmar (#37)
#40. To: Dakmar (#36)
#41. To: Original_Intent (#40)
Just looked it up: 7 1/4 pounds with the 18 inch barrel.
#42. To: Dakmar (#41)
#43. To: Dakmar (#29)
I still don't have a secure location to keep a prize like that.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#44. To: Original_Intent (#42)
(Edited)
#45. To: Dakmar (#41)
(Edited)
#46. To: Dakmar (#44)
once you get the hang of it. Hint: You push with the butt hand and pull with the other.
shake it free. Naturally you don't want a jam on any weapon when you are
in the middle of defending your life.
#47. To: Original_Intent (#45)
#48. To: Dakmar (#47)
That looks promising. Can I get it as semi-auto with short rifle stock with pearl inlays?
#49. To: Original_Intent (#48)
#50. To: Dakmar (#47)
#51. To: Original_Intent (#50)
This gas-operated autoloading shotgun excels in every environment you do, from walking cornfields to sitting in stands to hunkering down in a marsh
#52. To: Dakmar (#51)
#53. To: Original_Intent (#52)
#54. To: Itistoolate (#53)
#55. To: Mind_Virus (#0)
(Edited)
CHANGE
We DON'T Need.
Oh what a DUFFLE-HEAD that Barack Obama is !!! Duffle-Head (As used in a Felix the Cat cartoon) A wicked person of limited intelegence but with pretenses of intelectual grandeur. Their only successful endevors are usually the invention of self punishment machines.
#56. To: Coral Snake, Itistoolate, Rotara (#55)
CHANGE
#57. To: TwentyTwelve (#56)
Quotation: "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."
#58. To: Mind_Virus, All (#0)
#59. To: Original_Intent (#32)
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#60. To: noone222 (#57)
Quotation: "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."
#61. To: Dakmar (#51)
I'm only looking for a firearm to defend myself against someone trying to force their way into or already in my home.
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#62. To: randge (#61)
#63. To: TwentyTwelve (#59)
Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.
#64. To: TwentyTwelve (#59)
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