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Title: AP Newsbreak: Clergy abuse claims rose last year
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090313 ... n_re_us/rel_church_abuse_costs
Published: Mar 13, 2009
Author: Rachel Zoll
Post Date: 2009-03-13 09:34:20 by richard9151
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Views: 537
Comments: 34

By RACHEL ZOLL, AP Religion Writer – 39 mins ago

NEW YORK – Roman Catholic dioceses and religious orders saw a rise in molestation claims against clergy last year, according to a new report from U.S. bishops. Nearly all the 803 cases involved adults who said they had been abused as children decades ago.

Church leaders paid less in settlements, attorney fees and other abuse-related costs. Still, the amount reached just over $436 million, bringing the total payouts for abuse to more than $2.6 billion since 1950, according to studies commissioned by the prelates.

The statistics are part of an annual review of child safety in American dioceses and religious orders that is mandated by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. The report is set to be released Friday. The Associated Press obtained a copy.

As part of the review, auditors found that all but one of the dioceses they evaluated had fully implemented the bishops' child protection policies by the end of the year.

The safeguards include background checks for employees and volunteers, safe environment training for children and a discipline plan for offenders that removes them from any public church work. Dioceses increased their spending on safety programs to $23 million in 2008.

Two dioceses — in Lincoln, Neb. and Baker, Ore. — refused to participate in the audit. Five eparchies, or regional districts for parishes that follow the Eastern rite, also refused.

The reports from the bishops are part of the reforms they enacted in 2002, at the height of the scandal, which began with the case of one predatory priest in the Archdiocese of Boston and spread throughout the U.S. and beyond. Thousands of clergy have been accused since 1950.

The number of abuse claims in 2008 increased by 16 percent over 2007, when 691 claims were made. Similar to past years, more than 80 percent of the clergy accused in 2008 are dead, missing or already out of public ministry or the priesthood altogether. However, 40 percent of the men accused last year had never been named in previous abuse cases.

Following a pattern that researchers discovered in previous studies, most of the people who made claims last year were men and more than half said they were between the ages of 10 and 14 when they were molested. Only 30 percent of the new claims came through attorneys; about half of the victims came forward on their own.

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#1. To: richard9151, scrapper2 (#0)

The Cat'lick Church has a STRICT policy against homosexuality in place.

.sarcasm

war  posted on  2009-03-13   9:51:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: war (#1)

The Cat'lick Church has a STRICT policy against homosexuality in place.

Of COURSE it does! Naturally. As in, do as I say, and not as I do!

I thought everyone understood that!

Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.

richard9151  posted on  2009-03-13   10:26:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: richard9151 (#2)

The tagline to that is...but not against pedophilia...

war  posted on  2009-03-13   11:19:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: war (#3)

pedophilia...

In essense, it is the same thing. But you could be correct; I have never considered that point before.

So let me be direct; are you saying that the Catholic church has NEVER came out directly against pedophilia?

Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.

richard9151  posted on  2009-03-13   11:50:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: richard9151 (#4)

So let me be direct; are you saying that the Catholic church has NEVER came out directly against pedophilia?

BOINGO!!!!

war  posted on  2009-03-13   12:17:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: richard9151 (#4)

In essense, it is the same thing

Is rape the same thing as heterosexual sex?

war  posted on  2009-03-13   12:17:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: war (#6)

Is rape the same thing as heterosexual sex?

You can not equate hetrosexual sex with the filth known as homosexual sex.

To put it bluntly, how many times have you stuck your finger up your butt, and then immediately stuck it into your mouth?

In addition, there has been more than a few studies done that show that the majority of the people who engage in sexual molestation of children, esp. male children, are homosexual. There is a reason why the manboy love club of New York has been pushing for lowering the age of sexual consent to 14 (and lower) for so many decades.

Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.

richard9151  posted on  2009-03-13   13:08:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: war (#5)

BOINGO!!!!

I did not know that. Thank you; time for some indepth research!

Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.

richard9151  posted on  2009-03-13   13:08:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: richard9151 (#7)

In addition, there has been more than a few studies done that show that the majority of the people who engage in sexual molestation of children, esp. male children, are homosexual.

Actually, what has been found is that the overwhelmiong majority of pedophiles, regardless of the gender of the child whom they sexually assault, have 0 adult relationships/

war  posted on  2009-03-13   13:11:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: war (#1)

The Cat'lick Church has a STRICT policy against homosexuality in place.

.sarcasm

The Vatican had a long standing policy to keep gays out of the priesthood but the US Catholic Churches ignored the Vatican's policy and that's why over 10,000 minors were sexually abused stateside, most of them being young males by gay priest predators.

And it's social liberals like yourself that want to allow gays to adopt same sex children and adolescents because it was all an coincidence that gay priests victimized young males in America.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-03-13   23:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: scrapper2 (#10)

Read it and weep

war  posted on  2009-03-14   10:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: war (#11)

Read it and weep

I read it and laughed.

"* Mark E. Pietrzyk is an independent researcher in the Washington, D.C. area and a member of the Independent Gay Forum (www.indegayforum.org)."

scrapper2  posted on  2009-03-17   2:27:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: scrapper2 (#12)

"* Mark E. Pietrzyk is an independent researcher in the Washington, D.C. area and a member of the Independent Gay Forum (www.indegayforum.org)."

You do realize that he is citing peer reviewed studies and ressearch? Of course you do; your logic is akin to a defense attorney trying to impeach a the eyesight of a prostitute simply because she's a prostitute.

You've been measured and found to be woefully short.

The "footnotes" that YOU cited, princess, was a NAMBLA member trying to claim that he was simply a homosexual and which was resoundinlgly rejected by just about everyone. Ditto your "sibling" study. Sad for you, what I linked you to is accepted as fact.

war  posted on  2009-03-17   9:38:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: war (#13)

a. You do realize that he is citing peer reviewed studies and ressearch? Of course you do; your logic is You've been measured and found to be woefully short.

b. The "footnotes" that YOU cited, princess, was a NAMBLA member trying to claim that he was simply a homosexual and which was resoundinlgly rejected by just about everyone. Ditto your "sibling" study. Sad for you, what I linked you to is accepted as fact.

a. Until such time that your own attributes are long enough or substantial enough to warrant comparison with others,I'd suggest that you endeavor to growing what little you have at hand rather than sitting in judgement of others.

I did not read your article, moron. When I saw that the author had this as his credentials ""* Mark E. Pietrzyk is an independent researcher in the Washington, D.C. area and a member of the Independent Gay Forum (www.indegayforum.org).", I decided not to waste my time and rightly so. Why would I read something that amounts to a focused picking and choosing of studies that supported gay sloganeering? What are Mr. Pietrzyk's medical credentials? He did not have an MD beside his name so I assume his only credential for doing his highly selective research paper was that he was gay. But don't let my cynicism stop you from holding his article on high, as your PC Holy Grail. BELIEVE! yuck, yuck....

b. The author of the "study" you linked to had his name and "credential" at the bottom linked to a gay chapter. That's all I copy and pasted. So what are you babbling about about my citing "footnotes?"

As for your sweeping statement about "my" sibling studies (????) and NAMBLA members not having gays as members (???) and everything being "resoundinlgly rejected by just about everyone" - ???? - again, I ask you, what are you babbling about?

Catch a clue, why don't you. This clue doesn't come from a paper written by a gay with vested interests. This clue comes from Reality Lab 101. The 10,000 victims of pederast priests in the US Catholic Church should serve as the best study and teaching aid ever published - the lesson should be loud and clear that when you put adolescent males in vulnerable situations with practicing gays as authority figures - there is a very great risk that sexual abuse will occur. End of story.

No research can compare to the very sad results which occurred in the US Catholic Church that allowed a very great number of gay priests to enter the priesthood - against Vatican policy - and to have access to adolescent male altar boys and parishioners.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-03-17   12:28:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: scrapper2 (#14)

I did not read your article...

Say "Good Night, Gracie."

You are a fucking joke and not worth the effort.

war  posted on  2009-03-17   12:32:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: scrapper2 (#14)

Catch a clue, why don't you. This clue doesn't come from a paper written by a gay with vested interests.

Said the person who posted an alleged health study in opposition o gay marriage as promoted by the Catholic Church which averred, unsupported, that gays are pedohiles.

To say that I insulted your intellignce would be an affront to intelligence by assuming you had it.

war  posted on  2009-03-17   12:35:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: war (#15) (Edited)

You are a fucking joke and not worth the effort.

And because this evaluation comes from the undisputed King of Asshats, I am shocked and hurt ...NOT.

Please oh please, don't torture me with false promises - are you saying that you are going to take your PC claptrap and blather and pester a poster other than me?

scrapper2  posted on  2009-03-17   12:54:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: war (#16) (Edited)

a. Said the person who posted an alleged health study in opposition o gay marriage as promoted by the Catholic Church which averred, unsupported, that gays are pedohiles.

To say that I insulted your intellignce would be an affront to intelligence by assuming you had it.

a. As is your modus operandi - when faced with disturbing facts that do not support your PC mindset - you lie and try to conflate what was posted previously.

FACT #1: The studies the Vatican ordered be done was in the after math of the sexual abuse cases that occurred in the US Catholic Church. The studies revealed that most of the 10,000 victims were adolescent males who were groomed and subsequently molested by gay priests.

FACT #2: a group of physician-specialists analyzed the results of research published in medical journals, including the Journal of Homosexuality, and they presented their findings to the Canadian Parliamentarians. These MD specialists were not in the pay of the Catholic Church. Nor did these MD specialists suggest that all gays are pederasts. They simply presented risk factors as were identified in a breadth of medical research journals regarding gay behavior that society should not ignore in light of society's responsibility to protect minors.

b. You keep blabbing about gays and pedophilia - the sexual abuse crimes that happened in the US Catholic Church were those involving pederasty not pedophilia. The vast majority of victims were male adolescents - they were not children and they were males in 9 out of 10 cases - and the vast majority of criminals were found to be gay priests. How can you deny these facts to be true? Are you suggesting that most of the sexual victims in US Catholic churches were children - ie. under age 12 - and that there were as many girls as boys molested? If so, prove it. Show me the statistics you have found in your "research" that challenges what the studies commissioned by the Vatican demonstrated.

c. I would not say you have ever insulted my intelligence. You are like a mosquito to me - how can a mosquito be capable of doing anything that resembles "insult to intelligence?"

scrapper2  posted on  2009-03-17   13:42:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: scrapper2 (#18)

FACT #1: The studies the Vatican ordered be done was in the after math of the sexual abuse cases that occurred in the US Catholic Church. The studies revealed that most of the 10,000 victims were adolescent males who were groomed and subsequently molested by gay priests.

You've provided 0 evidence that those priests were gay beyond your discredited definition.

war  posted on  2009-03-17   14:32:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: scrapper2 (#18)

12.6 = what?

war  posted on  2009-03-17   15:01:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: war (#19)

You've provided 0 evidence that those priests were gay beyond your discredited definition.

My "discredited definition" - ???? - what definition did I give and who discredited that definition, if I gave one?

Here's some facts - try to discredit them.

Over 10,000 victims were abused by priests in US Catholic Chruches, which coincidently had become infested with gays.

Of the 10,000 victims, 9 out of 10 were teenage males.

The abusive priests sticking their penises into the anuses of teenaged males were male in gender.

Male on male sex is referred to as homosexual sex. Male on female sex is referred to as heterosexual sex. Adult male sex with adolescent males is referred to as pederasty.

Look up the definition of pederasty in any dictionary on the net - they are not my definitions - they are commonly recognized definitions around the world, doofus. Here are a few - note the common theme in the definition of pederasty - adult male sodomizing a male adolescent. That's what happened in the US Catholic Church. Ergo if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

"Pederasty or paederasty refers to an erotic relationship between an adolescent boy and an adult male outside his immediate family."

"pederasty, paederasty a sexual act between two males, especially when one is a minor.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-03-17   15:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: scrapper2 (#21)

My "discredited definition" - ???? - what definition did I give and who discredited that definition, if I gave one?

Here's one

war  posted on  2009-03-17   15:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: scrapper2 (#21)

Here's another:

What the fudge are you talking about? Adult males who choose to have sex with boys and/or men are homosexuals...

scrapper2 posted on 2009-02-27 13:16:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2009-03-17   15:35:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: scrapper2 (#21)

That defintiion was discredited a couple of times. Both times you threw a hissy fit.

war  posted on  2009-03-17   15:37:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: scrapper2 (#21)

Of the 10,000 victims, 9 out of 10 were teenage males.

Bzzzzt....Chart on Page 2

war  posted on  2009-03-17   15:51:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: All (#25)

Working link I hope

war  posted on  2009-03-17   15:53:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: war (#24)

That defintiion was discredited a couple of times. Both times you threw a hissy fit.

a. The definition of pederasty is what it is and it represented the majority of sexual abuse cases that occurred in US Catholic Churches - I didn't make the definition of pederasty up out of thin air - I didn't fabricate the distinctive pattern of sexual abuse cases in US Catholic Churches - the cases by a significant majority involved adult male on adolescent male sex, which in turn reflects the definition of pederasty. How is that definition untrue or open to discredit?

The definition has remained the same for ages.

From wiki:

"Pederasty, or Paederasty in International English (Èped-Y-Ìras-t [American], pd-Y-Ìras-t [British]), is an erotic relationship between an adolescent boy and an adult man outside his immediate family. Traditionally and according to modern usage, pederasty refers only to erotic relationships between two males. From the earliest times, pederasty has existed through a variety of customs and practices within different cultures. Pederasty has been criminalized at various times in history, and today its legal status in most countries is determined by whether or not the boy has reached the local age of consent."

As for hissy fits, you are the one who is upset with the facts not me. You are the one who has continually insulted me in the course of this discussion. If your rudeness and lies and twisting of what I posted are not perfect examples of hissy, snake in the grass behavior, I don't know what is. I've had to defend myself constantly from your demeaning, aggressive posts

Do me a favor - find some other poster to "debate" - make my day and stake out some new victims for your attacks.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-03-17   15:59:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: war (#25) (Edited)

What's your point?

I had posted the results of the Jay study for discussion more than a week ago and you referred to my postings, as "spam" at the time. The Jay study showed that 81% were male, when gender was identified, which is greater than 8 out of 10, I believe.

****The Jay study was released in early 2004. Following the release of the Jay study, here's what was stated in an interview dated May 2004 by Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons, a principal contributor to the Catholic Medical Association's statement on "Homosexuality and Hope," ... some cut and paste for your perusal...enjoy the statistics provided in the interview as well as the identification of the "root cause" for the sexual abuse cases that occurred in the US Catholic Church. Fyi Dr. Fitzgibbons is an MD, a psychiatrist as a matter of fact.

www.opusbonosacerdotii.or...ke_of_sex_abuse_study.htm

Q: The John Jay report states that 80% to 90% of priests who sexually abused children over the past 52 years had been involved with adolescent boys -- ephebophilia -- not prepubescent boys -- pedophilia. What conclusions can be made about these findings?

Fitzgibbons: The John Jay report has revealed clearly that the crisis in the Church is not one of pedophilia, but of homosexuality. The primary victims have not been children, but adolescent males.

Q: Has the Church in the United States adequately faced the root causes of the sexual-abuse problem?

Fitzgibbons: Prior to the release of the John Jay report the basic root cause of the problem had not been clearly identified.

We can be thankful that this misunderstanding has been corrected. Hopefully, this clarification in regard to homosexuality as the basic problem that caused the crisis will result in a number of new steps being taken to protect the Church, the priesthood and teen-agers and children.

****Here are Dr. Fitzgibbon's credentials - in case you were wondering - the good doctor's credentials are impressive.*****

Richard P. Fitzgibbons, M.D., P.C.

Director 1988 - Present, Comprehensive Counseling Services, W. Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959.

Staff 1996 - Present, International Institute of Forgiveness, Madison, Wisconsin.

Consultant with Adoptive and Foster Children; 1978 - 1980, Counseling and Guidance Center of Catholic Social Services, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Private Practice of Psychiatry, 1976 - Present.

Residence in Psychiatry, 1973 - 1976, Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania , Philadelphia.

Child Guidance Center, 1975 - 1976, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Family Practice, 1970 - 1973, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Diplomat - American Board of Family, 1974 - 1981, Practice.

Mixed Medical Internship, 1969 - 1970, Washington Hospital Center, Washington, D.C.

Temple University, School of Medicine, 1965 - 1969 M.D., Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

St. Josephs University, 1961 - 1965 B.S., Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-03-17   16:36:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: scrapper2 (#27)

As for hissy fits, you are the one who is upset with the facts not me.

Chuckles...you've yet to present a fact and you upset me not in the least, dearie.

The FACT is pedophilia and homo/heterosexuality are not the same. Until you can grasp that basic fact you're going to be full of shit./

war  posted on  2009-03-17   18:31:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: scrapper2 (#28)

Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons, a principal contributor to the Catholic Medical Association's statement on "Homosexuality and Hope,"

Gee...according to you he's discredited right there.

war  posted on  2009-03-17   18:33:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: war (#29)

Chuckles...you've yet to present a fact and you upset me not in the least, dearie.

The FACT is pedophilia and homo/heterosexuality are not the same. Until you can grasp that basic fact you're going to be full of shit./

If the facts I presented don't upset you, then why do you continue to call me bad names and insult me? You have been and are continually aggressive and hostile to me and only me.

Until you grasp the difference between pedophilia and pederasty, you will continue to show yourself to be a rather stupid and thuggish PC tool.

That you are full of shit goes without saying.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-03-17   18:58:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: war (#30)

Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons, a principal contributor to the Catholic Medical Association's statement on "Homosexuality and Hope,"

Gee...according to you he's discredited right there.

What's your point? If you had read the full text of the interview with Dr. Fitzgibbons, the hope he has for homosexuality in general and for gay priests in particular is that because there is no known genetic cause, the condition is preventable and treatable.

In the interview, Dr. Fitzgibbons states:

" Seminarians should learn the truth about homosexuality, specifically that there is not a genetic cause and that it is preventable and treatable. "

scrapper2  posted on  2009-03-17   19:17:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: scrapper2 (#31)

If the facts I presented don't upset you, then why do you continue to call me bad names and insult me?

I can ask you the same question, "iron panties".

You have been and are continually aggressive and hostile to me and only me.

WAH!!! HE's picking on me.

I post in the same manner to everyone.

Until you grasp the difference between pedophilia and pederasty

UNtil you grasp the fact that as a father of three boys, I don't give a shit about the difference and language nuance is the refucge of a corrupt argument. A 53 year old man going after a boy aged 17 or aged 11 matters not to me. He's a sexual predator. And, more importantly, the LAW makes no distinction.

war  posted on  2009-03-18   10:01:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: scrapper2 (#32)

What's your point? If you had read the full text of the interview with Dr. Fitzgibbons, the hope he has for homosexuality in general and for gay priests in particular is that because there is no known genetic cause, the condition is preventable and treatable.

In otehr words, he's a Moonbat.

war  posted on  2009-03-18   10:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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