4um: 'Gay' culture in Catholic Church grows

A "gay" culture is growing among clergy of the American Catholic Church that receives support from members of the hierarchy as well as from those directly involved in the training of priests, according to a Catholic priest-theologian.

As the scandal of clerical abuse within the Catholic Church in the U.S. continues to grow – whose cost is estimated to approach $1 billion – the role of the hierarchy is coming under scrutiny.

With nearly one in four Americans counting themselves as Catholic, the burgeoning crisis of sexual abuse by the Church's clergy directly impacts American society and family values. While the number of priests and bishops involved in abuse remains unknown, it is reliably estimated to be no more than 2 percent of the total in the U.S.

In an exclusive interview with WorldNetDaily, an influential Catholic priest, author and lecturer opens up the murky underworld of the homosexual clergy, its recruiters and its protectors.

The Rev. Charles Fiore, a Catholic priest for 42 years, has fought the homosexual influence in the clergy almost from the date of his ordination. With degrees in philosophy and theology, as well as clinical training at Menninger's and the State Hospital in Topeka, Kan., Fiore has both condemned the actions of homosexual priests and counseled the victims of their abuse.

Originally ordained a Dominican priest in 1961, Fiore's primary duties involved college-level teaching in various Catholic institutions in the United States, as well as at the Dominican Pontifical University, the Angelicum, in Rome. He also was an early pro-life leader and home-schooling advocate.

Fiore was a close friend of priest/author Malachi Martin and supplied Martin with significant material for his later works. Having appeared on radio and network television, Fiore has written numerous articles concerning clerical abuse.

Although gratified that the U.S. media is addressing the issue of clerical abuse, Fiore takes issue with how the problem is being presented to the public, questioning the use of the term "pedophilia."

"The problem is not clerical pedophilia," Fiore told WND, "but homosexuality." The distinction is important, Fiore noted, because most victims of Catholic clergy abuse are adolescents.

"Strictly speaking," Fiore stated, "pedophilia is the sexual molestation of a pre-pubescent child of either sex," but the overriding problem is the abuse of older children from 12 to 18. "More than 90 percent of the cases," Fiore observed, "involve the clerical molestation of teen-age young men."

In reporting clerical abuse, "the grand taboo in U.S. culture is to focus on homosexuality," Fiore stated.

"Pedophilia is done only by an aberrant few," but society "looks upon homosexuality as an alternative way of life," explained Fiore.

His introduction to how some cases of clerical child abuse are handled came early on in Fiore's priesthood.

He related that in his first assignment, while teaching in a college and living in a parish, he found himself scheduling altar boys for the week's services, since the priest who usually performed the task was on vacation.

While directing the servers, a group of three boys approached Fiore and complained of the other priest's behavior, describing various forms of inappropriate touching.

In turn, Fiore and another priest relayed the altar boys' complaints to the pastor and suggested that the miscreant priest be questioned and possibly removed from contact with the boys.

Fiore recalled the pastor telling him to "mind your own business," and Fiore responding, "It is my business; it's the business of all of us."

The matter was referred to the Dominican provincial superior, resulting in the offending priest's transfer – to an all-boys school in another state – and the transfer of the young priests who related the altar boys' complaints, while the pastor who demanded silence over the issue remained in his position.

Later in his career, Fiore observed the tactics of one Monsignor Edward Egan, who once served as an assistant to John Cardinal Cody in Chicago.

Egan, currently Cardinal Archbishop of New York, is surrounded by accusations of clerical abuse against a number of priests. While now expressing willingness to cooperate with authorities, as archbishop of Bridgeport, Conn., Egan, according to a report in the Hartford Courant, sought to deflect responsibility for homosexual activity of certain priests by claiming they were "independent contractors."

Under Cody in Chicago, Egan had been informally known as the Cardinal's "hatchet man," Fiore said. When parents of victims charged molestation and threatened to sue, Egan would warn the parents that the archdiocese was ready to fight them in court.

Fiore also said that he personally knew of many instances where families collapsed due to the strain from such tactics, and family members left the Church in disgust.

Having counseled close to 100 victims of clerical abuse, and after he wrote on the topic, Fiore was contacted by victims and their families regarding their own experience with abusive priests and allegedly indifferent bishops.

Ultimately, Fiore left the Dominican Order in 1992 and, with the permission of Vatican authorities, joined a group of priests dedicated to the traditional form of the Mass, as well as strict observance of Church teaching on theology and morality.

As the accusations of the guilt or complicity of the U.S. Catholic hierarchy continues to grow, attention is focusing upon some of the most powerful bishops in America – both living and dead.

While Cardinal Law of Boston and Egan of New York are in the glare of media attention after charges of abuse in their dioceses became public, another media investigation is quietly proceeding into the activities of other bishops who worked closely with the late Joseph Cardinal Bernardin of Chicago.

In 1993, an admittedly active homosexual, Stephen Cook, accused Bernardin of sexually abusing him when he was a seminarian in Cincinnati. Although Cook subsequently dropped his suit against Bernardin, stating that he could "no longer trust his memory," Cook nevertheless did not recant his allegations.

Nine months before his death in September 1994 from AIDS, Cook was visited by Bernardin, who wrote about the meeting in the Chicago archdiocese newspaper, the New World. He took the highly unusual step of giving Cook – a man Bernardin earlier claimed he had never met – the chalice with which he said Mass. The gift was especially odd in that Cook never renounced his homosexual activities. At one point, Cook declared that "the Church will change before I will."

According to traditional Catholic belief, if Cook died unrepentant, he would place himself outside of Christ's mercy.

A media investigation currently is looking not only into allegations concerning Bernardin's relationship with Cook but also alleged homosexual liaisons with other bishops and seminarians, WorldNetDaily has learned.

Although the hierarchy has only reluctantly begun to come to terms with homosexuality in the clergy, members of the laity have fought instances of clerical abuse for years.

One of the leading lay Catholic organizations seeking to expose and eliminate clerical abuse is Roman Catholic Faithful in Petersburg, Ill., near Springfield.

The organization's founder, Steven Brady, says his group, which has been in existence since 1996, succeeded in forcing the resignation in 1999 of the bishop of Springfield, Ill., Daniel Ryan, over charges of overt homosexual activities and sexually abusive behavior.

Ryan denies any wrongdoing, but his resignation claiming ill health immediately followed a threatened suit by Roman Catholic Faithful. Although he resigned his position as bishop of Springfield, Ryan is known to continue to publicly act as a bishop at certain functions in the state of Illinois, an act that requires the permission of at least one of his brother bishops.

Regarding the current publicity given to clerical abuse, Brady said he hopes the media exposure "keeps going" because it "is the only way issues will be addressed." He congratulated the media for being "more willing [than in the past] to cover these stories."

Despite the Catholic Church's traditional ban on homosexual activity, the "gay" culture within the Church has its apologists.

Rev. Donald Cozzens, former rector at the Archdiocese of Cleveland seminary, suggested in his 2000 book, "The Changing Face of the Priesthood," that each bishop should determine what percentage of homosexuals priests would be acceptable in his diocese.

In addition, the term "celibacy" has taken on an entirely different meaning in some seminaries from the traditional understanding of the word.

Some seminary professors and students hold "celibacy" refers only to being unmarried, but not necessarily refraining from sexual activity.

Because the Catholic Church is a "top-down" organization, lead by an unelected, appointed hierarchy, the question arises: What did the pope know, and when did he know it?

Throughout the 1970s and 1980s, the U.S. bishops and the Vatican had noted a growing problem with clerical abuse in the U.S. as the number of such incidents increased and the number of priests sent for therapy due to their abusive behavior grew.

The extent of the problem of priest-abusers was further clarified by a report commissioned by the bishops and the Apostolic Delegate (Papal representative) to the U.S., Archbishop (now Cardinal) Pio Laghi.

In the early 1990s, a group of priests, including Fiore, assembled a dossier on ecclesiastical problems in the U.S. The information was carefully collected and documented with guidance on Church law given by the Rev. Alfred Kunz, a canon lawyer.

Kunz also assisted in the founding of Roman Catholic Faithful. In 1998, Kunz was mysteriously murdered, and the police thus far have been unable to make any conclusive progress toward solving the murder. Fiore described Kunz as "having no enemies – except those who hated the Church."

According to Fiore, the dossier was sent by courier to Rome. The courier was a Polish-speaking priest and a friend of Pope John Paul II's personal secretary, then-Monsignor, now Archbishop, Stanislaus Dsiewicz.

Dsiewicz brought the file to the pope's attention. The pope briefly examined the documents, Fiore says, put them aside and then, referring to his previous attempts to lead and discipline the bishops regarding various issues, exclaimed, "I've told them, and they don't listen to me."

John Paul II, in effect, admitted that the U.S. bishops did not properly lead the Catholic Church in America.

What the pope found difficult to effectively confront – the exposure of clerical abuse in the U.S. Catholic Church – the U.S. media is now carrying out. Any remedy to the crisis of clerical abuse in America will be extremely painful – and costly.

Many Catholic bishops and faithful priests in the United States will have to "put on sackcloth and ashes – and do what's right," Fiore observed.

Fiore responded to the often-posed assertion that the solution to clerical abuse is a married clergy. "That's not the issue," Fiore stated, saying that in his private counseling he encountered victims of abuse at the hands of married Protestant and Jewish clergy, as well as by married, non-clerical men.

"The highest instance of sexual abuse," Fiore noted, "is among white, Anglo-Saxon, married males – and the victims [of sexual abuse] are primarily their own children."

Instead of relaxing traditional Church teaching on celibacy, Fiore demanded a greater – and more faithful – emphasis on the virtue of chastity, which calls for observance of Church law concerning sexuality as it pertains to one's calling in life – priest, married or single lay person.

In response to Cozzens, Fiore said that the ranks of priests and seminarians should be "zero percent" homosexuals, and he urged careful formation and guidance of seminarians by seminary personnel faithful to Church teaching.

Finally, it is the ultimate responsibility of Catholic bishops to certify the moral rectitude of those they ordain to the priesthood, Fiore stated.

When WorldNetDaily asked Fiore if he ever received payment for his counseling services, he said, "Yes, once – and only once. I split a dozen brownies with one of my young clients, whose mom had baked them for me."

Unfortunately Joseph Farah and his writers can never seem to connect the dots between homosexuality and our criminal government.

The major media is, at this point in time, a wholly owned conglomerate controlled by the self-styled elites.

If you notice the last 4 "Presidents" ALL have severe sexual abberations. Bush Sr. is a known pedophile with a liking for young boys, Klinton was a known rapist (Hitlery is a Dyke), Bush the lesser is a Closet Queer, as is Obumfuck. This is not an accident and neither is pushing the Queer Agenda. Pedophelia, rape, and sexual torture murder, are all part and parcel of the so-called New World Order. It is one of their signatures and their perversions are something they want make accepted as normal.

The Catholic Church made a mistake as far back as the 60's and 70's of instituting Psychological Screening of their candidates for the Priesthood. Psychiatrists have the highest rate of prosecution for sexual misconduct with their patients. So, it follows, that, and most Psychiatrists and Psychologists are atheists, this has been documented by at least one researcher into the problem, with sexual abberations themselves would upcheck fellow perverts while treating the genuinely devout as pariahs and insane (Psychiatry calls devout religiousity a mental disorder in their DSM IV Manual of Psychiatric Disorders).

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Two Ex-Jehovah Witnesses to Tell Why They Became Atheists

by NYC Atheists

See:
http://nyc- atheists.org/

New York, Jan. 9, 2008—Ann and Ben (not their real names) have asked us not to disclose their true identity because, only a year out of Jehovah's Witnesses, they still fear the repercussions from the their parents and what they call 'The Organization.'

'We're hiding, sort-of,' says Ann. 'If my family found out about this, I don't know if they'd talk to me anymore,' says Ann. 'Ben's family doesn't know about it. And the religion we came from could track us down and get us in trouble.'

Ann comes from three generations of California-based Jehovah's Witnesses. Ben's family are missionaries in Mexico who do not know that their son, a former fulltime 'pioneer' (door knocker) in the sect, is now estranged from the religion. Ann, too, 'did the ministry,' going door to door to try to make converts until she was 23.

Both say that their disaffection from the religion was a gradual process based on science and logic. 'I'm not angry, and I did not leave because something happened to me. I left because I had questions that they couldn't answer,' says Ann. For Ben, it was the feeling of being subjected continuously to what he calls thought control. 'They don't want you to be educated because you would be subjected to influences that might be contrary to the doctrine. It's Orwellian, almost like thought police,' he says.

'You move from 'I can't be in this religion' to 'Is any religion worth my time?'' says Ann. 'And then you wonder, if there is a god, then why does it look like there's not? Then it comes down to, you don't really need a god to explain the universe.'

Come and hear this remarkable young couple, who had the courage to escape the indoctrination to which they had been subjected from birth, on Sunday January 13th, at the NYCA Brunch.

The craziest cult religions are the ones most gung-ho about converting the entire world. There must be 100 Mormon, Jehova's Witness, and Scientology missionaries for every Presbyterian missionary out there.

My Uncle told me long ago that the butt pirates flocked to catholic institutions in the 60s and 70s.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

you got it exactly right, except i contend that it was not a ''mistake'' the church made, but rather a purposeful conspiracy by some at the top who were fags and /or infiltrators to begin with.

"The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops!"Saint John Chrysostom (!)

RCF, Roman Catholic Faithful, is a great group which has been exposing and fighting this evil for years. For what it's worth I endorse them 100% AT least 2, if i recall correctly, of the good priests that Steven Brady worked with in exposing the perv priests have been found dead or murdered. This is serious business and I believe the evidence shows that there is satanism involved.

As a Catholic this does not weaken my faith but rather reinforces the fact that we must fight evil , even especially within our own ranks; and also, to remember that Jesus Christ said the gates of hell shall not prevail against His Church. Many Catholics, especially in 2002-3 when all these stories were breaking, with the help of neocon stooge Bill Donahue of the "Catholic League", claimed that the victims 'just wanted money' or were 'making it up'. That is a disgusting and evil lie. The truth hurts and people have to accept the truth, & oppose this evil just like the good people of Boston stood up and finally demanded Cardinal Law be ousted.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

I recall at the time of the death of Fr. Malachi Martin that there were suggestions that he did not fall down the stairs but was pushed. Easy enough to do - a semi frail elderly man falls down stairs is a great cover for shutting up an inconvenient speaker.

There has always been intrigue in the church, the Medicis come to mind, so I don't think your suspicions without precedent, and the pervs are definitely tied in to other "activities" which are at least as unsavory as their perverted practices.

FWIW, I attended a 2 week Catholic boys camp the summers I turned 10, 11, 12, 13...never a problem with the brothers at all, in fact they and the counselors were fantastic. The priest was cool, although he enjoyed the wine a bit too much.. There was one kid there that tried to touch kids in their sleep though. Other than that incident, the only places I encountered big time fudge packer infiltration was DeMolay, the precursor to masonry.

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You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace

I remember reading years ago that when John Paul II was still The Bishop Of Krakow the workers of a factory he toured threw oily rags at him because they were so disgusted with his molestations of their children, molestations with impunity in a Catholic country like Poland, of course.

I'm not at all surprised that Karol Józef Wojtyla threw up his hands when faced with the evidence, because he was reportedly as fond of little boys' asses as any other priest.

For many years I avoided taking shots at The Church because I tend to sympathize with the under DAWG. (as a Southern Prot it was too easy to take shots because all of our witch doctors and shamuses did it from the pulpit and in casual conversation)

But, when the evidence mounted and it was obvious that The Holy See was not only ignoring it but actively protecting the chicken hawks and lechers, I decided that The Church should be known by the "fruits that it bears."

I'm now convinced that those who entered the priesthood with the intention of being sexually active homosexuals were as cynical as those in the hierarchy who may actually hold black mass in the bowels of the Vatican, and they are either in the service of the Prince of Darkness or simply refuse to be bound by the teachings of their own religion with which they disagree, and it's a hypocritical joke on all of the truly faithful clergy and lay people.

(37 Years ago I watched a local talk show in (heavily "Catholickered") Boston and one week the guest was a priest in collar whose theme was "God loves me and he knows I'm gay!" The first caller was very in-his-face and rudely and loudly asked, "Are you a butch or a fem? Do you pitch or catch?" and then the Jewish host chastised and disconnected the caller. Then the calls from sympathetic gays started and that was all I watched of the show, mainly because the priest was so swishy and the callers were so Twinky that the combo of voices like Richard Simmons' was too much reality TV)

If it was up to me no single priest (in problem Dioceses such as New Orleans for instance) would be permitted to work alone or around adults or children. (Including family and marriage counseling) They'd have to travel in pairs with a septuagenarian nun or female lay worker chaperon in every activity. Of course this would mean that the target (with the scarlet H or A on his panting and heaving breast) has less latitude than a prison trusty, but under the circs....

If war time defense installations and nuclear subs can use this "pairs" concept to inhibit mischief and prevent espionage, then isn't the protection of children just as important? (Yes, a nation brimming with scarred victims can indeed be brought to its knees in more ways than one)

This extreme measure is arguably warranted by The Church's unwillingness to excommunicate all offenders, and by the fact that The CEO (or whoever the corporate officers in charge of damage control caused by exposed chicken hawks and adulterers were) have actually relocated the predators only to have them begin preying on the unsuspecting in the new, target rich environments.

Each time The Church sends a shark lawyer with a legal brief and petition to "restore and forgive" a sinning diocese it would be carried live by COURT TV. Remove the veil of secrecy and the homos can quit and work in bathhouses so they can lick their chops openly.

Once each Diocese had identified fifteen (or whatever) offenders and fifteen were forever removed it would be permitted to supervise and counsel members without a chaperon team in tow. And, I'd bet that The Bishops, Archbishops, Cardinals and His Holiness himself would be damned careful who they approved and tapped for such tasks.

There would be periodic honey traps set and every dirty trick possible would be used to (ahem) suck the priests in. Hell, with all of these measures it could even be possible to get the MILF-lovin' Babtists under control!

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I don't care how they protest and deny, I believe what homosexuals want is legal access to 12-year=old boys, and to have them raised believing being molested by faggots is really a good thing for them.

glad to hear you had a good experience. I went to Catholic school for 12 yrs and never had a problem. As original_intent said though, the fags did indeed infiltrate the church as also outlined in the infamous book GOODBYE GOOD MEN.

Also, interesting that you mention masons because both Popes Pius IX and Leo XIII did publish the masonic document ALTA VENDITA. , outlining the masonic attempts at infiltrating the church. There is a great deal of info on this topic, i have read several books and encyclicals on it. I believe the masons have obviously been successful to a large degree.

My dad had been raised a pagan, and was a convert to Catholicism, quite a bit of time after meeting (and before marrying) his Italian Catholic girlfriend. The priest that gave the catechism instructions let my dad read a masonic book which outlined a bunch of satanic stuff and etc. My dad was a big fan (if thats the appropriate word) of Malachi Martin and read all his books years after this of course.

This is the primary reason why i don't ever doubt how evil this satanic government of ours is., and that i wouldnt put ANYTHING past them. My dad is still doing great and does 70 pushups on awakening each morning.

I believe that is very well said. and like I said above, my fellow Catholics who don't believe satanists have infiltrated the church have 1. a fundamental ignorance of how satan works, and 2. have not done their homework.

By the way, my wife & I were in Italy in december and had a great time. went to the Vatican, saw the Pope twice, and eveything else in Rome. One day I got up early and went exploring and saw one church, that had a big flier proudly advertising the guest Cardinal Bernard Law, who had said Mass there the previous day.(!!) I took a picture of the flier.

One funny thing that happened- we went to the Colosseum and.. well soda in europe is very expensive. my wife wanted a coke. i hate paying 4 euros for a SMALL bottle of coke. here in the ussa we can get a 44 ounce super big gulp for a dollar. well anyhow, outside the Colosseum there was this stand and the guy told us, 5 euros for 2 cokes. OK, not bad,. about 4 dollars American each anyway, still a MAJOR ripoff but we were thirsty.

What? you owe me 15 back. you said it was five euros,. not seven. KEEP IN MIND I WOULD NEVER.. NEVER.. PAY 7 EUROS, OVER 10 DOLLARS FOR 2 f$#@!&ING COKES!

the guy then said "No, i didnt say five, i said SEVEN" and basically robbed me without a gun. i have a trigger temper and wanted to beat the shit out of the guy. , seriously.

I actually turned on my videocam an recorded what transpired afterwards. some time i will upload and post it for kicks. LOL!

no but man i wanted to. didnt want to get arrested and ruin my wifes and my vacation. LOL.

i turned on my videocam and started taping them shouting to everyone they were a rip-off scam snack cart. they really hated that, as busloads of new tourists leerily bypassed their cart after that. the guy , who was arab, then sneered at my camera as if he was going to try and try to make me stop filming him. i said make a move, m%$# F45er and you will get a souvenier of a lifetime.

ahem. but seriously, we were there to have a good time right. you know how women are. ;-/ but damn that pissed me off.

You haven't been the same since Billy Jo Mauldin turned you on your shell and had his way with you.

When it became apparent that it was a ripoff, I'd have kept my cool because the last thing I'd want is to be arrested in a foreign country that relies on ripping off tourists for so much of its income.

If you had to hire a lawyer you'd never even know if he was the vendor's brother-in-law!

And, I'd discourage tourism at every opportunity on Italian tourist websites, relating that anecdote to all who allow it to be posted.

Italy is the textbook definition of organized corruption, and the country has had over 300 governments since the end of WWII.

When you post your screeds recommend Paris to others. That'll really piss the Italians off!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

Not to take up for the guy who robbed you because that was not right but that 44 ounce big gulp is basically a lot of carbonated water sweetened with high fructose corn syrup. I can remember when Cokes were sweetened with sugar (in America I mean) and have found that some countries STILL use real sugar in them. And the difference is like night and day.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

yeah i know it's pretty nasty. I don't drink the 44 ounce anymore, i downsized to a 32. ;-/

i have been to the famous DR PEPPER MUSEUM in waco, TX. dr pepper is my drink of choice since i was a kid. the museum offers the original formula made with pure cane sugar. it tasted different, but pretty good,.. you can actually order it and have it shipped to you. (we went there after we visited the branch davidian compound last summer.)

As Shirley Q said, "to each they own" but I never have liked Dr. Pepper. Tastes weird to me, or did the couple of times I tried it. But I really do like Cokes that are made with real sugar. They taste like the ones I used to have when I was a kid. Now the ones they make with that hfcs $#it just taste like sweet water.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton