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Title: From MSM: Missouri report on militias, terrorists draws criticism
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URL Source: http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1086524.html
Published: Mar 15, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-03-15 08:55:22 by PSUSA
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The Associated Press More News COLUMBIA, Mo. | A new document meant to help Missouri law enforcement agencies identify militia members or domestic terrorists has drawn criticism for some of the warning signs mentioned. The Feb. 20 report called "The Modern Militia Movement" mentions such red flags as political bumper stickers for third-party candidates, such as U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, who ran for president last year; talk of conspiracy theories, such as the plan for a superhighway linking Canada to Mexico; and possession of subversive literature. "It seems like they want to stifle political thought," said Roger Webb, president of the University of Missouri campus Libertarians. "There are a lot of third parties out there, and none of them express any violence. In fact, if you join the Libertarian Party, one of the things you sign in your membership application is that you don't support violence as a means to any ends." But state law enforcement officials said the report is being misinterpreted. Lt. John Hotz of the Missouri State Highway Patrol said the report comes from publicly available, trend data on militias. It was compiled by the Missouri Information Analysis Center, a "fusion center" in Jefferson City that combines resources from the federal Department of Homeland Security and other agencies. The center, which opened in 2005, was set up to collect local intelligence to better combat terrorism and other criminal activity, he said. "All this is an educational thing," Hotz said of the report. "Troopers have been shot by members of groups, so it's our job to let law enforcement officers know what the trends are in the modern militia movement." But Tim Neal, a military veteran and delegate to last year's state GOP convention, was shocked by the report's contents. "I was going down the list and thinking, 'Check, that's me,'" he said. "I'm a Ron Paul supporter, check. I talk about the North American union, check. I've got the 'America: Freedom to Fascism' video loaned out to somebody right now. So that means I'm a domestic terrorist? Because I've got a video about the Federal Reserve?" Neal, who has a Ron Paul bumper sticker on his car, said the next time he is pulled over by a police officer, he won't know whether it's because he was speeding or because of his political views. "If a police officer is pulling me over with my family in the car and he sees a bumper sticker on my vehicle that has been specifically identified as one that an extremist would have in their vehicle, the guy is probably going to be pretty apprehensive and not thinking in a rational manner," Neal said. "And this guy's walking up to my vehicle with a gun." But Hotz said using factors in the report to determine whether someone could be a terrorist is not profiling. He said people who display signs or bumper stickers from third-party groups are not in danger of harassment from police. "It's giving the makeup of militia members and their political beliefs," Hotz said of the report. "It's not saying that everybody who supports these candidates is involved in a militia. It's not even saying that all militias are bad." Posted on Sat, Mar. 14, 2009 02:22 PM
Poster Comment: Perhaps this is legit after all.
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#1. To: PSUSA (#0)
I live in Missouri. Jefferson City is the capitol, and is a not very big town in the middle of nowhere, on the Missouri River. I suspect this report is meant to target those in the Ozarks, which is huge and takes up about one0-quarter of the state, if not more, and has always been full of anti-government people, way back before the War Between the States. The whole thing is stupid, though. The Libertarian party, and libertarians, are the least violent of people.
Yep. We just want to be left alone. At least that's all I want.
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One more reason why I am an independent. I don't do loyalty oaths.
Same here. Oaths mean nothing anyway, from the president on down to dog catcher. And to swear anything to a political party is beyond pointless. I dont agree with this pigs interpretation though. It is profiling and spin doctoring. I just posted it because it confirms the infowars article.
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Hotz is a moron and a liar. The most evident thing is that he works for those wishing to usurp free speech, the right to bear arms, the right to travel (unmolested), the right to assemble and in a general sense chill the mindset that argues in favor of freedom. The arrogant self-appointed divinities that would rule every second of your life don't like the fact that many Americans have had it with the ever invasiveness of the FED. They see people buying weapons and ammo in exponentially heightened numbers. They see people are storing food and buying gold/silver. They know people are hunkering down for a long winter and remember they didn't publish this horseshit, someone inside was a good guy and leaked it. They know, just like we know, there will be collateral damage when the shit hits the fan. Looks to me like lines are being drawn.
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
wow, it's hit the associated press! thanks for the post. Now i wonder if ron paul will deny the report is real even after the missoura pigs acknowledged it? maybe it will be 'presposterous and absurd" just like the 9/11 inside job theory? ;-/
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. I personally dont think he is a moron, but he knows exactly what he is doing. He is counting on all the morons out there believing his lies and spin doctoring. The sheeple are the morons, not him. JMO. I don't call all of them worthless pigs for nothing. And I include the pig that leaked it too. We don't need any "help" from him. We knew things like this were in the works without his "help" and that pigs like him are responsible for enforcing this. Thanks, but no thanks. Now be a good little pig and go write some seat belt "violation" tickets and find some dogs to kill.
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Did he deny it? Or was he like me and was undecided? There's a difference. But I dont count myself in with the Paul personality cult, so I dont care what he thinks.
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this one fits nicely with another found here back in December Actual JTTF Task Force Flyer http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=92371 and just like there's no evidence for the existence of the fema camps. btw, aj expressed his disappointment in RP for that comment on thursday's show.
So he had a problem with the wording, not the message. The flyer is legit. It is what they think of us. They just need to word it better and keep it under wraps the next time. Edit to add: If it had been me, I'd have stated that "This is total nonsense. Constitutionalists are not the enemy. I will find out where this came from and I will let you know what I find". ANd I would do exactly that in a speedy manner.
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Sure it is. Government, especially the police, are our friends.
Yes. I love cops. They are out there to protect and serve us.
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Catch more flies with honey than you do with VITRIOL. Look man, many of these people in uniform have spent most of their lives doing what they thought was the right thing. Some are inches away from retirement and feel they've earned it. I may not agree but understand their mindset. I don't like most cops either, for good reasons. However, the system has betrayed them as much as anyone else through improvident (criminal) court rulings and legislation that is done in secret or without concern for its constitutional validity. Actually, here's the point I would like to make. I'll be the first to attack road blocks, check points or gestapo type police actions in my neck of the woods, but first I'd like to sort out the local cops to determine which are gestapo and which are Americans. We still have some good Americans operating within their system and we should maximize every opportunity we have to "WIN" / "SURVIVE" ... not become martyrs. I have made inroads with local authorities beyond what I thought possible. Unless the federales completely bypass the local authorities when they lower the boom, local officials will have some type of advance warning of future events. (JMO and I could be very wrong).
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
I see things differently, but I'm not looking for a fight. Vitriol works for me. I dont care about "catching" anything or anyone. Just because they are close to retirement doesn't mean they arent corrupt, or covered up for those that were corrupt. Corruption goes way back. Nothing recent about it. They also know who the bad cops are. Just because they have gray hair doesnt mean they are ignorant.
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glad to hear that. I can bet that Chuck baldwin will respond to this flier at least. Barr is a phony and Paul is a wimp so they'll probably say nothing.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. I don't understand. Are you asking if Paul denied that 911 was an inside job?
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. No, did he deny the LEO bulletin in this thread?
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oh, i havent heard of any response from him; i just assumed he would deny or bypass the whole thing based on what he has shown to be his character in such matters.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. The 'unknown' is what's driving many of us to do what we can to insure our own well-being and survival.
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#2. To: Turtle, Artisan, IndieTX, critter, Rotara, All (#1)
The whole thing is stupid, though. The Libertarian party, and libertarians, are the least violent of people.
#3. To: PSUSA (#0)
In fact, if you join the Libertarian Party, one of the things you sign in your membership application is that you don't support violence as a means to any ends."
#4. To: winston_smith, All (#3)
#5. To: PSUSA (#0)
But Hotz said using factors in the report to determine whether someone could be a terrorist is not profiling.
#6. To: PSUSA (#4)
I just posted it because it confirms the infowars article
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#7. To: noone222 (#5)
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#8. To: Artisan (#6)
#9. To: PSUSA (#0)
The flyer you see at is an actual real JTTF flyer printed by the Phoenix office of the FBI. It was so outrageous, so obviously ominous, so chilling to the bill of rights, that Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office refuse to distribute them!
'Actual JTTF Task Force Flyer' freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=92371
~ 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday ~
~ Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians ~
#10. To: Artisan (#6)
(Edited)
wow, it's hit the associated press! thanks for the post. Now i wonder if ron paul will deny the report is real even after the missoura pigs acknowledged it? maybe it will be 'presposterous and absurd" just like the 9/11 inside job theory? ;-/
#11. To: Amandil (#9)
(Edited)
It was formulated, I think, for legitimate purposes, but it fell on stony ground because of the way it was worded – the unfortunate profiles that were put in there outraged a number of people who received it.”
#12. To: PSUSA (#0)
But state law enforcement officials said the report is being misinterpreted.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#13. To: farmfriend (#12)
#14. To: PSUSA (#7)
I don't call all of them worthless pigs for nothing. And I include the pig that leaked it too. We don't need any "help" from him.
#15. To: noone222 (#14)
#16. To: PSUSA, *libertarians* (#0)
but the sheiks would shriek and the barons would bellow if hemp was made legal...and people became mellow
#17. To: christine (#10)
btw, aj expressed his disappointment in RP for that comment on thursday's show
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#18. To: PSUSA (#8)
Did he deny it? Or was he like me and was undecided? There's a difference
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#19. To: Artisan (#18)
#20. To: PSUSA (#19)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#21. To: All, artisan (#20)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#22. To: noone222. the thread (#14)
I have made inroads with local authorities beyond what I thought possible. Unless the federales completely bypass the local authorities when they lower the boom, local officials will have some type of advance warning of future events. (JMO and I could be very wrong).
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