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Title: 9/11 UAL 175 Plane on Radar AFTER It Has 'Crashed' Into The WTC; (MSNBC)
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Published: Mar 16, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-03-16 13:04:41 by Artisan
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#105. To: Artisan, All (#0)
October 25, 2001, the remains of the fuselage from UAL 175 on the roof of WTC 5: Where are the passengers and flight crew? DEAD and smashed to smithereens. I just can't buy into the missing plane/passenger conspiracies.
_________________________________________________________________________ You are trying to persuade someone whose mind, such as it is, is content with the government fairy tale. Why waste your time on him?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
WRONG. A tube of a tower That 75 percent was also made possible by another innovation. Previous high- rises had relied for their structural integrity on a forest of supporting columns on each floor. Typically, architects spaced these 30 feet apart throughout the interior. The exterior walls of such buildings were merely curtain walls, which let light in and kept weather out but provided little support. Such was not the case in the World Trade Center. Consulting engineers Leslie Robertson and John Skilling invented an entirely new method of construction. The forest of interior columns vanished; such columns only appeared in and around the central core of elevator shafts, stairwells, and bathrooms. Then it was nothing but open space—60 feet of it on two sides, 35 on the other two sides—before one reached the outside walls. These were not curtain walls but cages of steel columns spaced just over a yard apart, with 22 inches of glass in between. (Minoru Yamasaki, the building's architect, designed it this way in part because he was insecure with heights and felt more comfortable with such narrow windows.) The shafts of steel in the exterior walls shouldered not only gravity loads pressing down from above but also lateral loads caused by gusty winds nudging the building from the side. Such tube-style architecture relied on high- strength steel, which was only then becoming available. It resulted in up to an acre of rentable space on each floor, and it became the pioneering style of frame for a whole new generation of buildings.
When I came out of 1 Liberty on the Cortland St side after 2 was hit by the first jet, there was debris that obviously came from a passenger jet on the street just outside the building. There was a seat cover...some skin of the jet similar to the above but not singed...there was also some of the inside skin of the jet...
Only because I refuse to let the lies go unanswered. Of course we can expect doublespeak and evasion in return, but then that is what shills are paid to do.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
You're the one lying about a simple fact of WTC construction.
So Mr. Wizard, tell me, why don't you fall through the floor you're standing on and keep going to the center of the earth? That damn gravity pushes you down, so you SHOULD just fall, right? You fucking idiot, the fact is, there is something BLOCKING your path to the center of the earth, just as there was something blocking the fall of the top of the WTC, specifically, the 100 floors below it.
You are a master of projection, I'll give you that much at least.
So to you, an object that is tilted on an angle and falling on a corner has a center of gravity that is "squared" with "the force of gravity"? Uh, dipshit, gravity ALWAYS pulls DOWNWARDS, no matter WHERE the center of gravity is. However, a tilted object has a center of gravity that is off to the side in the direction of the tilt, thus causing the SIDE of the object to be pulled downwards, causing it to tilt further if it is collapsing into what it is resting upon. Try putting a can of soup on top of your finger and see how long it takes for it to fall, and whether it falls through your finger or if it tumbles over.
You fool, do you see any buildings with the top section of the WTC impaled into them? The fact that debris was blown outwards is not the same as the tower falling over.
Have you never seen the WTC collapse? Have you stuck your head up your ass all these years and refused to watch the videos which show how they collapsed? Do I need to post some for you to see what happened?
Besides the time I ran away from it? Yep...
You obviously couldn't have been watching it too close if you were running away from it. There are many videos which show how it fell straight down, so nobody believes your bullshit about it falling over.
Wha...huh? I challenge you to post a pic of any controlled demolition wherein the debris field was as far outside of its paramerers as it was at WTC...hell...the collpase of WTC 2 demolished the atrium of the WFC across the street... When Pittsburgh had 3 Rivers Stadium brought down it stood yards from the new field which wasn't even scratched...
I challenge you to post a pic of ANY other 110 story building that has collapsed, whether by demolition or any other cause. THEN you can compare apples to apples instead of apples to oranges.
BTW genius, bringing down an empty stadium with nothing but air inside it is a bit different than bringing down a 110 story skyscraper with a steel core.
So what exactly are you trying to say here? Did it topple over or did it fall straight down into its own footprint?
In other words, you cannot. Here's a clue doofwipe...buildings brought down by demolition doesn't pulverize and strem "confetti" over a wide swath of earth. It IMplodes...
It collapsed in the manner gravity and then momentum affected it...to all points...
In other words, there ARE no examples of 110 story skyscapers falling down. So YOU cannot. Here's a clue doofwipe...buildings brought down by demolition doesn't pulverize and strem "confetti" over a wide swath of earth. It IMplodes... Explain how a solid steel core can implode. If there WERE demolitions going off on key floors throught the building, would you expect the debris to "implode" or to be ejected outwards?
So it fell because of gravity. Hmmm, well why didn't it fall as soon as they built it then? Those 100 or so of UNDAMAGED floors dissolved into thin air, where even butter would have offered more resistance. They must have been pretty weak huh. Good thing nobody ever jumped up and down or the whole thing would have gone down sooner, right?
Nah, nah, it is because of the Magickal Jet Fuel™. A few drops of it hit building 7 too and so naturally it couldn't take it and had to fall down. I sure am glad they only made one batch of that. Just think, if they had made two or more batches of it the whole world would have probably just evaporated.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Appx 11AM 9/11 taken from the North of WTC7 facing south down Greenwich.
Your questions are devolving further into stupidity. Engineering kept it standing...just as your legs do for you...take out your ligature around your knee and see if you don't topple over from being top heavy. IN the case of the WTC, floor trusses acted as ligature.
All this makes me question an engineer who would design a building to take the direct impact of a jet and not take into account for that jet to be able to hit the building it had to be flying and be loaded with FUEL. At the very least that explains alot of engineering blunders.LOL.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
I wouldn't know. The WTC had a concrete and tapered steel beam [thick at pottom thin on top] core with elevator shafts in their midst and were not "solid", btw.
The "707" scenario was based upon the B-25 impact on the Empire State Building...moving slowly as if lost in the fog and low jet fuel...
BTW, in case you handn't noticed, there is not one point that you have raised that has not been shown to be bullshit,
Oh, they did take it into account. The government and its shills are just lying about it. Why would any sane person believe that KEROSENE could cause steel-framed skyscrapers to fall? Many skyscrapers have had fires as intense, and even more intense, and for a longer period of time, yet the only ones that ever fell were the ones on 9/11. None before or since.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Those buildings were hardly empty, dickwad. Carpet, chairs, wood, desks, plastic, PAPER...the buildings were FILLED with flammible materials...the jet fuel only started the fire...what was in the building is what fed and sustained it... The stupidity of you folks is seemingly unboundless and gravity defying...
How many of them had a 450MPH impact and catastrophic explosion prior to the fire?
Yeah, isn't that ironic? I have seen the evidence that both sides present in this. In my heart I have to believe there was something evil at work here and I'm not refering to those that have been accused of the crime. You know what I mean.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
You know what I mean. The ones who are evil are the ones who blindly accept the government's lame-@$$ story about how kerosene burned down steel-framed skyscrapers. And if not evil then incredibly stupid or gullible and naive. I think it is the latter in most cases because I don't like to ascribe evil to people who just blindly accept the government's story no matter how stupid and far fetched it sounds.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Considering that the government never claimed this that would be a difficult thing to accept...
Yeah, really, What the hell happened? I don't know what your age is but when I was growing up we were taught NOT to trust the government. I guess their propaganda paid off.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
If that was the true scenario. Wouldn't that be stupid on their part with an airport so CLOSE. Just asking.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
“Our study found that the fires in WTC 7, which were uncontrolled but otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings, caused an extraordinary event,” said NIST WTC Lead Investigator Shyam Sunder. “Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail, initiating a fire-induced progressive collapse that brought the building down.” “Video and photographic evidence combined with detailed computer simulations show that neither explosives nor fuel oil fires played a role in the collapse of WTC 7,” Sunder said. The NIST investigation team also determined that other elements of the building’s construction—namely trusses, girders and cantilever overhangs that were used to transfer loads from the building superstructure to the columns of the electric substation (over which WTC 7 was constructed) and foundation below—did not play a significant role in the collapse.
Huh? You're saying that the WTC complex should not have been built because NY has airports?
Negative. Comment about your post 132.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
I am old enough to know that you can't trust the government. They even allow a man to be president who refuses to show his actual birth certificate. One who has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of SOMEONE'S money to keep it hidden. You have to ask yourself why he refuses to spend ten or fifteen bucks to produce it instead of hundreds of thousands to keep it hidden. And it could be for one or maybe two reasons. One reason is that it could show that he was actually not born in the US at all but in Kenya. Another reason could be that it might show that the man he claims was his father was actually not his real father. I can't think of any reason besides those two that he refuses to show the actual birth certificate.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
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#106. To: Original_Intent (#103)
Lord Acton
#107. To: Original_Intent (#103)
Gonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng! Wrong answer Private!
#108. To: Original_Intent (#103)
THEY WERE NOT the primary support of the buildings
#109. To: X-15 (#105)
#110. To: James Deffenbach (#106)
You are trying to persuade someone whose mind, such as it is, is content with the government fairy tale. Why waste your time on him?
#111. To: Original_Intent (#110)
Of course we can expect doublespeak and evasion in return, but then that is what shills are paid to do.
#112. To: war (#104)
IT'S CALLED GRAVITY MORON. The top of the tower fell from a STANDING STATE. Once the center of gravity squared to the force of gravity it had no choice but to fall straight down.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#113. To: war (#104)
Geezus you are so fucking stupid it aches.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#114. To: war (#104)
Once the center of gravity squared to the force of gravity it had no choice but to fall straight down. That does not mean that it suddenly uprighted itself.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#115. To: war (#101)
Despite all the photo evidence that I just provided you to the contrary?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#116. To: war (#101)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#117. To: FormerLurker (#116)
Have you never seen the WTC collapse?
#118. To: war (#117)
Besides the time I ran away from it?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#119. To: FormerLurker (#115)
The fact that debris was blown outwards is not the same as the tower falling over.
#120. To: war (#119)
I challenge you to post a pic of any controlled demolition wherein the debris field was as far outside of its paramerers as it was at WTC
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#121. To: war (#119)
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When Pittsburgh had 3 Rivers Stadium brought down it stood yards from the new field which wasn't even scratched...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#122. To: war (#119)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#123. To: FormerLurker (#120)
#124. To: FormerLurker (#122)
So what exactly are you trying to say here? Did it topple over or did it fall straight down into its own footprint?
#125. To: war (#123)
In other words, you cannot.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#126. To: war (#124)
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It collapsed in the manner gravity and then momentum affected it...to all points...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#127. To: FormerLurker (#126)
Lord Acton
#128. To: James Deffenbach (#127)
#129. To: FormerLurker (#126)
Hmmm, well why didn't it fall as soon as they built it then?
#130. To: James Deffenbach (#73)
You forgot that it was Magickal Jet Fuel™ that can change properties at will and burn hotter than the sun. And they only ever made one batch of it and it was all used that day as evidenced by the fact that other skyscrapers have burned longer and fully engulfed since then, yet none of them fell. Not one. And some had burned before that day too and not one of those fell either. Steel skyscrapers just can't handle that Magickal Jet Fuel™.
#131. To: FormerLurker (#125)
Explain how a solid steel core can implode
#132. To: phantom patriot (#130)
#133. To: FormerLurker (#125)
#134. To: phantom patriot (#130)
All this makes me question an engineer who would design a building to take the direct impact of a jet and not take into account for that jet to be able to hit the building it had to be flying and be loaded with FUEL.
Lord Acton
#135. To: James Deffenbach (#134)
#136. To: James Deffenbach (#134)
Many skyscrapers have had fires as intense
#137. To: James Deffenbach (#134)
Oh, they did take it into account. The government and its shills are just lying about it. Why would any sane person believe that KEROSENE could cause steel-framed skyscrapers to fall? Many skyscrapers have had fires as intense, and even more intense, and for a longer period of time, yet the only ones that ever fell were the ones on 9/11. None before or since.
#138. To: phantom patriot (#137)
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Yeah, isn't that ironic? I have seen the evidence that both sides present in this. In my heart I have to believe there was something evil at work here and I'm not refering to those that have been accused of the crime.
Lord Acton
#139. To: James Deffenbach (#138)
The ones who are evil are the ones who blindly accept the government's lame-@$$ story about how kerosene burned down steel-framed skyscrapers.
#140. To: James Deffenbach (#138)
The ones who are evil are the ones who blindly accept the government's lame-@$$ story about how kerosene burned down steel-framed skyscrapers. And if not evil then incredibly stupid or gullible and naive. I think it is the latter in most cases because I don't like to ascribe evil to people who just blindly accept the government's story no matter how stupid and far fetched it sounds.
#141. To: war (#132)
The "707" scenario was based upon the B-25 impact on the Empire State Building...moving slowly as if lost in the fog and low jet fuel...
#142. To: James Deffenbach (#138)
#143. To: phantom patriot (#141)
If that was the true scenario. Wouldn't that be stupid on their part with an airport so CLOSE. Just asking.
#144. To: war (#143)
You're saying that the WTC complex should not have been built because NY has airports?
#145. To: phantom patriot (#140)
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I don't know what your age is but when I was growing up we were taught NOT to trust the government.
Lord Acton
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