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Title: 9/11 UAL 175 Plane on Radar AFTER It Has 'Crashed' Into The WTC; (MSNBC)
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Published: Mar 16, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-03-16 13:04:41 by Artisan
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#118. To: war (#117)
You obviously couldn't have been watching it too close if you were running away from it. There are many videos which show how it fell straight down, so nobody believes your bullshit about it falling over.
Wha...huh? I challenge you to post a pic of any controlled demolition wherein the debris field was as far outside of its paramerers as it was at WTC...hell...the collpase of WTC 2 demolished the atrium of the WFC across the street... When Pittsburgh had 3 Rivers Stadium brought down it stood yards from the new field which wasn't even scratched...
I challenge you to post a pic of ANY other 110 story building that has collapsed, whether by demolition or any other cause. THEN you can compare apples to apples instead of apples to oranges.
BTW genius, bringing down an empty stadium with nothing but air inside it is a bit different than bringing down a 110 story skyscraper with a steel core.
So what exactly are you trying to say here? Did it topple over or did it fall straight down into its own footprint?
In other words, you cannot. Here's a clue doofwipe...buildings brought down by demolition doesn't pulverize and strem "confetti" over a wide swath of earth. It IMplodes...
It collapsed in the manner gravity and then momentum affected it...to all points...
In other words, there ARE no examples of 110 story skyscapers falling down. So YOU cannot. Here's a clue doofwipe...buildings brought down by demolition doesn't pulverize and strem "confetti" over a wide swath of earth. It IMplodes... Explain how a solid steel core can implode. If there WERE demolitions going off on key floors throught the building, would you expect the debris to "implode" or to be ejected outwards?
So it fell because of gravity. Hmmm, well why didn't it fall as soon as they built it then? Those 100 or so of UNDAMAGED floors dissolved into thin air, where even butter would have offered more resistance. They must have been pretty weak huh. Good thing nobody ever jumped up and down or the whole thing would have gone down sooner, right?
Nah, nah, it is because of the Magickal Jet Fuel™. A few drops of it hit building 7 too and so naturally it couldn't take it and had to fall down. I sure am glad they only made one batch of that. Just think, if they had made two or more batches of it the whole world would have probably just evaporated.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Appx 11AM 9/11 taken from the North of WTC7 facing south down Greenwich.
Your questions are devolving further into stupidity. Engineering kept it standing...just as your legs do for you...take out your ligature around your knee and see if you don't topple over from being top heavy. IN the case of the WTC, floor trusses acted as ligature.
All this makes me question an engineer who would design a building to take the direct impact of a jet and not take into account for that jet to be able to hit the building it had to be flying and be loaded with FUEL. At the very least that explains alot of engineering blunders.LOL.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
I wouldn't know. The WTC had a concrete and tapered steel beam [thick at pottom thin on top] core with elevator shafts in their midst and were not "solid", btw.
The "707" scenario was based upon the B-25 impact on the Empire State Building...moving slowly as if lost in the fog and low jet fuel...
BTW, in case you handn't noticed, there is not one point that you have raised that has not been shown to be bullshit,
Oh, they did take it into account. The government and its shills are just lying about it. Why would any sane person believe that KEROSENE could cause steel-framed skyscrapers to fall? Many skyscrapers have had fires as intense, and even more intense, and for a longer period of time, yet the only ones that ever fell were the ones on 9/11. None before or since.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Those buildings were hardly empty, dickwad. Carpet, chairs, wood, desks, plastic, PAPER...the buildings were FILLED with flammible materials...the jet fuel only started the fire...what was in the building is what fed and sustained it... The stupidity of you folks is seemingly unboundless and gravity defying...
How many of them had a 450MPH impact and catastrophic explosion prior to the fire?
Yeah, isn't that ironic? I have seen the evidence that both sides present in this. In my heart I have to believe there was something evil at work here and I'm not refering to those that have been accused of the crime. You know what I mean.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
You know what I mean. The ones who are evil are the ones who blindly accept the government's lame-@$$ story about how kerosene burned down steel-framed skyscrapers. And if not evil then incredibly stupid or gullible and naive. I think it is the latter in most cases because I don't like to ascribe evil to people who just blindly accept the government's story no matter how stupid and far fetched it sounds.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Considering that the government never claimed this that would be a difficult thing to accept...
Yeah, really, What the hell happened? I don't know what your age is but when I was growing up we were taught NOT to trust the government. I guess their propaganda paid off.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
If that was the true scenario. Wouldn't that be stupid on their part with an airport so CLOSE. Just asking.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
“Our study found that the fires in WTC 7, which were uncontrolled but otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings, caused an extraordinary event,” said NIST WTC Lead Investigator Shyam Sunder. “Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail, initiating a fire-induced progressive collapse that brought the building down.” “Video and photographic evidence combined with detailed computer simulations show that neither explosives nor fuel oil fires played a role in the collapse of WTC 7,” Sunder said. The NIST investigation team also determined that other elements of the building’s construction—namely trusses, girders and cantilever overhangs that were used to transfer loads from the building superstructure to the columns of the electric substation (over which WTC 7 was constructed) and foundation below—did not play a significant role in the collapse.
Huh? You're saying that the WTC complex should not have been built because NY has airports?
Negative. Comment about your post 132.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
I am old enough to know that you can't trust the government. They even allow a man to be president who refuses to show his actual birth certificate. One who has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of SOMEONE'S money to keep it hidden. You have to ask yourself why he refuses to spend ten or fifteen bucks to produce it instead of hundreds of thousands to keep it hidden. And it could be for one or maybe two reasons. One reason is that it could show that he was actually not born in the US at all but in Kenya. Another reason could be that it might show that the man he claims was his father was actually not his real father. I can't think of any reason besides those two that he refuses to show the actual birth certificate.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. IN other words, you're old enough to know nothing.
Well, that's a whole other story. At the very least they should be made to prove they are eligible for any office while they file their paperwork just like the rest of us would have to do. One of Reagans quotes I really like is trust but verify. You'd think with all the smart asses in Washington someone would have thought of that.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
The rest of us have to show an actual birth certificate to get a passport. Yet the Obamasiah can get someone to Photoshop some bs "CERTIFICATION" of Live Birth. I reckon he wanted to prove he wasn't hatched or something but it doesn't prove he was born in Hawaii like his disciples claim. This document is usually given to parties that don't have a proper hospital birth certificate and it is given based on a statement of one relative only. Even the state of Hawaii doesn't give full credit to these documents. * A certified copy of Certificate of Birth; * A certified copy of Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, including testimonies; or * A certified copy of Certificate of Delayed Birth. You will need the certified birth certificates for: * Yourself * Your biological father; and * Your biological mother The state Department of Health, (DOH), Vital Records Section, records documents by island and district (geographically) and by the date of the event (chronologically). If your biological parents' documents don't clearly prove that you have at least 50 percent Hawaiian ancestry, you will also need certified birth certificates for: * Your biological father's parents; and * Your biological mother's parents. In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. BINGO!!! Hey have a good one I'm outta here. Good talking with you.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
Hey have a good one I'm outta here. Good talking with you. Yeah, thanks. Hope you have a good day too.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Sure there is...the WTC on 9/11....it was because of the Magickal Jet Fuel™ that can change properties at will and burn hotter than the sun. And they only ever made one batch of it and it was all used that day as evidenced by the fact that other skyscrapers have burned longer and fully engulfed since then, yet none of them fell. Not one. And some had burned before that day too and not one of those fell either. Steel skyscrapers just can't handle that Magickal Jet Fuel™. :P
Yeah, that was some potent stuff. If they had made one more big batch of it the whole world would have probably gone up in a big fireball if it ever detonated.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. thats a good point. To clarify the text was not mine, but is from the person who posted it on youtube. I hadnt noticed they said that. i do believe that planes hit the towers.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. Very potent...so potent, we haven't seen the likes of it since! : )
Those core columns didn't do anything did they? They were just there to look pretty for the maintenance personnel that would see them. You know nothing of what you are speaking of regarding the structure of the WTC towers or the impossibility of a near free fall collapse occurring through a progressive "pancaking" of ANY building. I don't doubt you saw a plane hit the WTC building, but that hardly makes you an expert on this in any way.
God is always good!
As do I; however, the planes were just to hide and obfuscate what really caused the towers to collapse....
I hope they lost the formula for that $#it. It is just way too powerful and dangerous to be in human hands.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#119. To: FormerLurker (#115)
The fact that debris was blown outwards is not the same as the tower falling over.
#120. To: war (#119)
I challenge you to post a pic of any controlled demolition wherein the debris field was as far outside of its paramerers as it was at WTC
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#121. To: war (#119)
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When Pittsburgh had 3 Rivers Stadium brought down it stood yards from the new field which wasn't even scratched...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#122. To: war (#119)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#123. To: FormerLurker (#120)
#124. To: FormerLurker (#122)
So what exactly are you trying to say here? Did it topple over or did it fall straight down into its own footprint?
#125. To: war (#123)
In other words, you cannot.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#126. To: war (#124)
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It collapsed in the manner gravity and then momentum affected it...to all points...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#127. To: FormerLurker (#126)
Lord Acton
#128. To: James Deffenbach (#127)
#129. To: FormerLurker (#126)
Hmmm, well why didn't it fall as soon as they built it then?
#130. To: James Deffenbach (#73)
You forgot that it was Magickal Jet Fuel™ that can change properties at will and burn hotter than the sun. And they only ever made one batch of it and it was all used that day as evidenced by the fact that other skyscrapers have burned longer and fully engulfed since then, yet none of them fell. Not one. And some had burned before that day too and not one of those fell either. Steel skyscrapers just can't handle that Magickal Jet Fuel™.
#131. To: FormerLurker (#125)
Explain how a solid steel core can implode
#132. To: phantom patriot (#130)
#133. To: FormerLurker (#125)
#134. To: phantom patriot (#130)
All this makes me question an engineer who would design a building to take the direct impact of a jet and not take into account for that jet to be able to hit the building it had to be flying and be loaded with FUEL.
Lord Acton
#135. To: James Deffenbach (#134)
#136. To: James Deffenbach (#134)
Many skyscrapers have had fires as intense
#137. To: James Deffenbach (#134)
Oh, they did take it into account. The government and its shills are just lying about it. Why would any sane person believe that KEROSENE could cause steel-framed skyscrapers to fall? Many skyscrapers have had fires as intense, and even more intense, and for a longer period of time, yet the only ones that ever fell were the ones on 9/11. None before or since.
#138. To: phantom patriot (#137)
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Yeah, isn't that ironic? I have seen the evidence that both sides present in this. In my heart I have to believe there was something evil at work here and I'm not refering to those that have been accused of the crime.
Lord Acton
#139. To: James Deffenbach (#138)
The ones who are evil are the ones who blindly accept the government's lame-@$$ story about how kerosene burned down steel-framed skyscrapers.
#140. To: James Deffenbach (#138)
The ones who are evil are the ones who blindly accept the government's lame-@$$ story about how kerosene burned down steel-framed skyscrapers. And if not evil then incredibly stupid or gullible and naive. I think it is the latter in most cases because I don't like to ascribe evil to people who just blindly accept the government's story no matter how stupid and far fetched it sounds.
#141. To: war (#132)
The "707" scenario was based upon the B-25 impact on the Empire State Building...moving slowly as if lost in the fog and low jet fuel...
#142. To: James Deffenbach (#138)
#143. To: phantom patriot (#141)
If that was the true scenario. Wouldn't that be stupid on their part with an airport so CLOSE. Just asking.
#144. To: war (#143)
You're saying that the WTC complex should not have been built because NY has airports?
#145. To: phantom patriot (#140)
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I don't know what your age is but when I was growing up we were taught NOT to trust the government.
Lord Acton
#146. To: James Deffenbach (#145)
#147. To: James Deffenbach (#145)
I am old enough to know that you can't trust the government. They even allow a man to be president who refuses to show his actual birth certificate. One who has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of SOMEONE'S money to keep it hidden.
#148. To: phantom patriot (#147)
(Edited)
Well, that's a whole other story. At the very least they should be made to prove they are eligible for any office while they file their paperwork just like the rest of us would have to do.
The primary documents used to show you are of age and a qualified native Hawaiian are:
This is what HAWAII says about the difference between the pos the Obamaphiles foisted off on the gullible saps who worship him and the Certificate of Live Birth. What he posted, or had someone to post on the internet, is not acceptable to Hawaii for proof of someone claiming to be Hawaiian.
Lord Acton
#149. To: James Deffenbach (#148)
The rest of us have to show an actual birth certificate to get a passport. Yet the Obamasiah can get someone to Photoshop some bs "CERTIFICATION" of Live Birth. I reckon he wanted to prove he wasn't hatched or something but it doesn't prove he was born in Hawaii like his disciples claim. This document is usually given to parties that don't have a proper hospital birth certificate and it is given based on a statement of one relative only. Even the state of Hawaii doesn't give full credit to these documents.
#150. To: James Deffenbach (#148)
Even the state of Hawaii doesn't give full credit to these documents.
#151. To: phantom patriot (#149)
BINGO!!!
Lord Acton
#152. To: FormerLurker, James Deffenbach, war (#125)
In other words, there ARE no examples of 110 story skyscapers falling down.
#153. To: litus (#152)
Lord Acton
#154. To: RickyJ (#39)
This is absurd. Of course two planes hit the WTC towers. They weren't the planes we were told they were, but two planes hit them. Anyone saying no planes hit the WTC towers is putting out disinfo to discredit the 9/11 truth movement.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#155. To: James Deffenbach (#153)
#156. To: war (#60)
The towers fell because the weigth bearing walls were actually the outside of the building.
#157. To: Artisan (#154)
i do believe that planes hit the towers.
#158. To: litus (#155)
Very potent...so potent, we haven't seen the likes of it since! : )
Lord Acton
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