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Title: 9/11 UAL 175 Plane on Radar AFTER It Has 'Crashed' Into The WTC; (MSNBC)
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Published: Mar 16, 2009
Author: msnbc
Post Date: 2009-03-16 13:04:41 by Artisan
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youtube link

http://conspiracyrealitytv.com/911-ual-175-plane-on-radar-after-it-has-crashed-into-the-wtc/

Kudos to SEATNINEB for this. Check forum here at: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=14399

FAA radar is tracking, in real time, flight 175 after it has supposedly crashed into the WTC. This is perhaps an hour later. Although many people do not believe an aircraft hit the Pentagon or crashed in Shanksville, they still cannot accept that no plane hit the WTC. Perhaps this may help.

3 IFR aircraft in the air in a 30 mile radius of New york city is consistent with one hour of diversions and forced landings.

One hour before you would expect a very large multiple of 3 aircraft to be in the air. NY has several incredibly busy airports.Check anytime on FLIGHT AWARE and count the aircraft within a 30 mile radius of NY. There should be 60 to 100


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#3. To: Artisan (#0)

any debunkers?

Oh, they'll be out in force. It might take them a day or two, but for every new revelation shining light on the 911 Inside Job they have a spin very quickly. Either they will attack the film as altered or they'll have some other spin such as the Radar was incompetent.

They won't hold water but for the Sheeple who don't want to look at reality they will grasp at any spin straw to avoid looking. They want the "Nightly Nooze" to tell them what they think.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-16   13:13:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent (#3)

if the identifying radar system is in real time as he claimed then it is pretty damning evidence of remote controlled drone planes. I don't know antyhing about such systems which is why i pinged the pilots. Anyway, we all know the truth but to what end ? There is more than enough evidence but most politicians, clergy, academics and influence peddlers won't look at or acknowledge any of this. And time has gone on and it's almost 10 8 yrs past.

Anyway, it's fun to expose their lies. people do know, in general, but what comes of it? we shall watch.

Artisan  posted on  2009-03-16   13:21:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Artisan (#4)

I'm confused, "tracked on RADAR" 1 hr after it hit the WTC?

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-03-16   13:58:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Itistoolate (#6)

I'm confused

Only if you believe this shit are you...

war  posted on  2009-03-16   14:04:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: war (#7)

Only if you believe this shit

The shit in the video or the Gov't shit?

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-03-16   14:10:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Itistoolate (#8)

The government's shit is mosty likely the closest to what happened. If anything got covered up it's how little attention the Boosh's were paying when it went down...

war  posted on  2009-03-16   14:48:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: war (#11)

Thank you for proving my prediction correct.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-16   14:52:19 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent (#14)

Thank you for proving my prediction correct.

Your prediction was akin to predicting that if you pulled your pants down and tried to blow yourself in Times Square people would look.

PS: Claiming that "WE BRUNG DOWN THE TOWERS!!!!" is the same thing as self- felating in Times Square.

war  posted on  2009-03-16   14:54:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: war (#17)

Try Phishing somewhere else. No takers here.

Twenty Five Ways to Suppress The Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

Example: 'You believe what you read in the Spotlight? The Publisher, Willis DeCarto, is a well-known right-wing racist. I guess we know your politics -- does your Bible have a swastika on it? That certainly explains why you support this wild-eyed, right-wing conspiracy theory.'

Proper response: 'You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. Your imply guilt by association and attack truth on the basis of the messenger. The Spotlight is well known Populist media source responsible for releasing facts and stories well before mainstream media will discuss the issues through their veil of silence. Willis DeCarto has successfully handled lawsuits regarding slanderous statements such as yours. Your undemonstrated charges against the messenger have nothing to do with the facts or the issues, and fly in the face of reason. Why do you refuse to address the issues by use of such disinformation tactics (rule 5 - sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule)?'

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-16   15:03:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent (#21)

Blah Blah Blah...

One of the "facts" that you kooks try to morph into misinformation is the one on which FDNY pulled its personnel from 7. Youl idiots claim it means that they blew up the building...

war  posted on  2009-03-16   15:14:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: war (#24)

One of the "facts" that you kooks

Are you BeAChooser?

Regardless, how do you explain the impossible freefall speed of the towers? The undamaged structure below the impact area would not have behaved like thin air, yet the structures (both towers, AND the relatively undamaged WTC7) fell at free fall speeds as if falling through thin air. What's your scientific explanation (and please don't say "pancaking" as even THAT would not occur at free fall speed).

Do you not find the fact that all records and evidence pertaining to the Enron investigation was destroyed in the relatively undamaged WTC7 to be just a tad suspicious?

What proof is there that the individuals cited as the 9/11 hijackers actually carried out the attacks, especially when some of them are still alive and have been on TV?

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-17   10:32:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: FormerLurker (#55)

Are you BeAChooser?

Good God no...

Regardless, how do you explain the impossible freefall speed of the towers?

They did not fall at free fall speed. The towers fell because the weigth bearing walls were actually the outside of the building. Once they were compromised as well as the support trusses it becamse an exercise in simple physics.

Do you not find the fact that all records and evidence pertaining to the Enron investigation was destroyed in the relatively undamaged WTC7 to be just a tad suspicious?

Uh...considering that they were not I don't find it suspicious at all.

the relatively undamaged WTC7

WTC 7 was no "realtively undamaged". Almost teh whole of the South Facade was gone and fires raged within it...

What proof is there that the individuals cited as the 9/11 hijackers actually carried out the attacks, especially when some of them are still alive and have been on TV?

Wha...chuckle...huh?

I'll buy the fact that some of the 9/11 hijackers most likely used aliases...BFD...

war  posted on  2009-03-17   10:42:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: war (#60)

They did not fall at free fall speed

They fell in about 10-11 seconds, where free fall through air would have been a little over 9 seconds. So you're wrong.

The towers fell because the weigth bearing walls were actually the outside of the building.

For one, the steel core bore the majority of the weight. For two, the structure supported itself without falling for quite some time. The weight that the structure supported didn't change due to the fires, nor did it change PERIOD.

As far as energy exerted due to the collapse of one floor from the height that the planes impacted, there would be minimal extra load the structure would to have needed to support. So that's bullshit.

Once they were compromised as well as the support trusses it becamse an exercise in simple physics.

Apparently we studied a different sort of physics.

Uh...considering that they were not I don't find it suspicious at all.

Where were the Enron SEC filings stored?

WTC 7 was no "realtively undamaged". Almost teh whole of the South Facade was gone and fires raged within it...

Bullshit. Even if true, WTC7 was internally reinforced. Do you think it was incapable of supporting itself without one of it's exterior walls? How do you think it kept from falling while they were building it?

You have so many childish assumptions it's sort of humorous, as you have to used really fractured logic to arrive at your conclusions.

Oh and BTW, there were no "raging fires", there was a bit of a diesel fire inside but nothing close to a "raging fire".

You think that a structure such as WTC7 would simply collapse like a deck of cards due to a relatively small internal fire a bit of damage to an exterior wall?

Geesh.

I'll buy the fact that some of the 9/11 hijackers most likely used aliases...BFD...

The individuals listed as the hijackers are not said to be using aliases, and are indentified with not only their names but their photos. There are at least several individuals identified as hijackers who are still alive, and ARE the people that are so identified.

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-17   11:04:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: FormerLurker (#67)

Apparently we studied a different sort of physics.

Mine had gravity in it.

Where were the Enron SEC filings stored?

In a computer database.

Oh and BTW, there were no "raging fires", there was a bit of a diesel fire inside but nothing close to a "raging fire".

You're out of your fucking mind. Do I need to post yet even more pictures showing how stupid you are?

war  posted on  2009-03-18   9:28:20 ET  (3 images) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#368. To: war (#175) (Edited)

Me: Oh and BTW, there were no "raging fires", there was a bit of a diesel fire inside but nothing close to a "raging fire".

war: You're out of your fucking mind. Do I need to post yet even more pictures showing how stupid you are?


You're busted. I just noticed you posted an image of WTC5 trying to pass it off as an image of WTC7. The image properties indicate the file name is http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/docs/wtc5_fire_floors.jpg, which shows that image depicts Building 5 not Building 7.

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-19   18:01:36 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#392. To: FormerLurker (#368)

You're busted. I just noticed you posted an image of WTC5 trying to pass it off as an image of WTC7.

Nope. Wherein your post did you demand a pic of WTC 7?

war  posted on  2009-03-20 08:57:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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