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Title: 9/11 UAL 175 Plane on Radar AFTER It Has 'Crashed' Into The WTC; (MSNBC)
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Published: Mar 16, 2009
Author: msnbc
Post Date: 2009-03-16 13:04:41 by Artisan
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youtube link

http://conspiracyrealitytv.com/911-ual-175-plane-on-radar-after-it-has-crashed-into-the-wtc/

Kudos to SEATNINEB for this. Check forum here at: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=14399

FAA radar is tracking, in real time, flight 175 after it has supposedly crashed into the WTC. This is perhaps an hour later. Although many people do not believe an aircraft hit the Pentagon or crashed in Shanksville, they still cannot accept that no plane hit the WTC. Perhaps this may help.

3 IFR aircraft in the air in a 30 mile radius of New york city is consistent with one hour of diversions and forced landings.

One hour before you would expect a very large multiple of 3 aircraft to be in the air. NY has several incredibly busy airports.Check anytime on FLIGHT AWARE and count the aircraft within a 30 mile radius of NY. There should be 60 to 100


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#3. To: Artisan (#0)

any debunkers?

Oh, they'll be out in force. It might take them a day or two, but for every new revelation shining light on the 911 Inside Job they have a spin very quickly. Either they will attack the film as altered or they'll have some other spin such as the Radar was incompetent.

They won't hold water but for the Sheeple who don't want to look at reality they will grasp at any spin straw to avoid looking. They want the "Nightly Nooze" to tell them what they think.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-16   13:13:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent (#3)

if the identifying radar system is in real time as he claimed then it is pretty damning evidence of remote controlled drone planes. I don't know antyhing about such systems which is why i pinged the pilots. Anyway, we all know the truth but to what end ? There is more than enough evidence but most politicians, clergy, academics and influence peddlers won't look at or acknowledge any of this. And time has gone on and it's almost 10 8 yrs past.

Anyway, it's fun to expose their lies. people do know, in general, but what comes of it? we shall watch.

Artisan  posted on  2009-03-16   13:21:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Artisan (#4)

I'm confused, "tracked on RADAR" 1 hr after it hit the WTC?

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-03-16   13:58:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Itistoolate (#6)

I'm confused

Only if you believe this shit are you...

war  posted on  2009-03-16   14:04:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: war (#7)

Only if you believe this shit

The shit in the video or the Gov't shit?

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-03-16   14:10:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Itistoolate (#8)

The government's shit is mosty likely the closest to what happened. If anything got covered up it's how little attention the Boosh's were paying when it went down...

war  posted on  2009-03-16   14:48:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: war (#11)

Thank you for proving my prediction correct.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-16   14:52:19 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent (#14)

Thank you for proving my prediction correct.

Your prediction was akin to predicting that if you pulled your pants down and tried to blow yourself in Times Square people would look.

PS: Claiming that "WE BRUNG DOWN THE TOWERS!!!!" is the same thing as self- felating in Times Square.

war  posted on  2009-03-16   14:54:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: war (#17)

Explain this. See how the top of the tower is tilting on an angle? Simple physics would determine that the top of the tower should have toppled over and tumbled, as there is less resistance to the air than there would be to the steel and concrete below it, thus it would have continued it's rotational movement and toppled over.

Why did it all of a sudden drop like a rock straight down through the steel and concrete rather than simply topple over as it appears ready to do in the following picture?

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-17   10:41:40 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: FormerLurker (#59)

Why did it all of a sudden drop like a rock straight down through the steel and concrete rather than simply topple over as it appears ready to do in the following picture?

You mean like what happens in a controlled demolition? Well, this is different....the plane hit the building (which was specifically designed to withstand the impact of a direct hit by a plane), and the plane had fuel (no matter that the fire was limited to just a couple floors, as opposed to other towers which have also had intense fire but never collapsed)....and because of the intense flames (limited to two floors?)....the structural beams just melted.......and can't you just believe these people already?!

: )

litus  posted on  2009-03-17   11:05:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: litus (#68)

Two Floors My Ass...

war  posted on  2009-03-17   11:12:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: war (#77)

Yes. That's mightily impressive, a fire like that which can bring down a building onto its own feet.

Have you see the photos of the other skyscrapers, literally in hell fire throughout, yet those buildings stand?

I have.

litus  posted on  2009-03-17   11:14:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: litus (#79)

Yes. That's mightily impressive, a fire like that which can bring down a building onto its own feet.

A) The fire did not act alone.

B) It did not fall into it's own feet. 1 fell into the DB Building* and 2 fell into the south facade of 7.

I worked at 1 Liberty Plaza on 9/11 and did diasster recovery work that necessitated me going into the building a week or so later. You could clearly see that the towers fell over as well as down. Windows in about 20 floors of the western facade of 1 Liberty were gone...

Piece of WTC 1 in DB building...

YO can see parts of 2 on 7's footprint as well as the damage to 1 Liberty.

war  posted on  2009-03-17   11:28:34 ET  (2 images) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: war (#93)

YO can see parts of 2 on 7's footprint as well as the damage to 1 Liberty.

It fell straight down war, you can't deny that fact. So yes, it fell into it's own footprint, but sure there will be debris in the immediate area. What did you expect it to do, drill a whole for itself into the ground and fall into it?

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-17   11:35:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: FormerLurker (#98)

It fell straight down war,

Despite all the photo evidence that I just provided you to the contrary?

Did the conspirators come in with a huge crain when noone was looking and put that piece of WTC 1 into the DB Building and take that huge assed scoop out of it as well?

war  posted on  2009-03-17   11:51:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: war (#101)

Despite all the photo evidence that I just provided you to the contrary?

You fool, do you see any buildings with the top section of the WTC impaled into them? The fact that debris was blown outwards is not the same as the tower falling over.

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-17   12:49:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: FormerLurker (#115)

The fact that debris was blown outwards is not the same as the tower falling over.

Wha...huh?

I challenge you to post a pic of any controlled demolition wherein the debris field was as far outside of its paramerers as it was at WTC...hell...the collpase of WTC 2 demolished the atrium of the WFC across the street...

When Pittsburgh had 3 Rivers Stadium brought down it stood yards from the new field which wasn't even scratched...

war  posted on  2009-03-17   13:02:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: war (#119) (Edited)

So what exactly are you trying to say here? Did it topple over or did it fall straight down into its own footprint?

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-17   13:19:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: FormerLurker (#122)

So what exactly are you trying to say here? Did it topple over or did it fall straight down into its own footprint?

It collapsed in the manner gravity and then momentum affected it...to all points...

war  posted on  2009-03-17   13:21:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: war (#124) (Edited)

It collapsed in the manner gravity and then momentum affected it...to all points...

So it fell because of gravity. Hmmm, well why didn't it fall as soon as they built it then? Those 100 or so of UNDAMAGED floors dissolved into thin air, where even butter would have offered more resistance.

They must have been pretty weak huh. Good thing nobody ever jumped up and down or the whole thing would have gone down sooner, right?

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-17   13:25:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: FormerLurker (#126)

Hmmm, well why didn't it fall as soon as they built it then?

Your questions are devolving further into stupidity. Engineering kept it standing...just as your legs do for you...take out your ligature around your knee and see if you don't topple over from being top heavy. IN the case of the WTC, floor trusses acted as ligature.

war  posted on  2009-03-17   14:07:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#248. To: war (#129)

So do you finally admit that it was impossible for the tilted top of the tower as I had shown to have dropped straight down when it was already in the process of tumbling to its side?

And do you admit that it was impossible for the towers to have collapsed as fast as they did?

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-18   16:48:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#289. To: FormerLurker (#248)

So do you finally admit that it was impossible for the tilted top of the tower as I had shown to have dropped straight down when it was already in the process of tumbling to its side?

What the fuck are you babbling about other than you have no concept opf physics? Absent any greater and opposite force, It had no choice but to drop straight down once the center of gravity was horizontally established.

And do you admit that it was impossible for the towers to have collapsed as fast as they did?

I posted the graph that deteailed how quickly they collapsed which, in terms of the force of gravity acting upon a body so it is in freefall, it is much longet than you claim that they did.

war  posted on  2009-03-19   9:00:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#357. To: war (#289)

Absent any greater and opposite force, It had no choice but to drop straight down once the center of gravity was horizontally established.

Hey moron, there was something in the way of it dropping straight down, and it was called the WORLD TRADE CENTER. Are you that fucking insane that you think the entire structure of the WTC was actually an illusion, that it was really thin air?

The top of the tower had started to topple over, indicating one corner of the supporting structure below had failed. It should have continued in that direction, ABSENT ANY OTHER FORCE (or removal of an existing opposing force).

Only a TOTAL and INSTANTANEOUS collapse of the structure below (OR the possibility that the steel core had remained intact and the top of the tower actually SLID down the core) could explain the way it dropped DOWN instead of TUMBLING over.

Being that there would have been incredible resistance to such a fall from the supporting structure below AND the central core, the core should have burst out of the upwards angled side of the upper tower and the top of the tower should have toppled, since it was already on an angle and would have had horizontal forces acting upon it EVEN as it fell downwards. Considering the core was tapered as you so unthinkingly recite, the gradually thickening core would have provided increasing resistance to the top of the tower, slowing it down to where it should have STOPPED sliding down it IF it was in fact doing so.

Only a total and absolute demolition of ANY and ALL supporting structures below AND WITHIN (including the steel core) PRIOR to impact from the falling structure would explain the manner in which the towers collapsed.

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-19   17:29:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#387. To: FormerLurker (#357)

The top of the tower had started to topple over, indicating one corner of the supporting structure below had failed. It should have continued in that direction,

When you use the word "toppling" you imply that it was already in motion and that should have been propelled away from the building.

You need to grasp a basic concept of physics as to how gravity affects a body...once it's center is established...it falls straight down...the top of the tower was a body at rest and so while it was "tilted" it was so at rest...once the support beneath it gave way it was a simple exercise of falling...the only direction in which it should have continued was down...

war  posted on  2009-03-20   8:40:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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