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Title: 9/11 UAL 175 Plane on Radar AFTER It Has 'Crashed' Into The WTC; (MSNBC)
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Published: Mar 16, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-03-16 13:04:41 by Artisan
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#35. To: litus (#34)
And, how about this? "Linda Starr Posts New Information Jump to Comments Posted Jan 19 from Obamacrimes: how many of you picked up on what Phil said on tonight’s radio show about the FOIA confirming Barry never had an American passport under the name of Barack Obama until his diplomatic passport issued as a US Senator? Do you understand and comprehend the enormity of that announcement? Do you all realize what it means? I can tell you now that is one part of several pieces of good news we had the other day that I hinted at and could not reveal. That information confirms Barry had to renew an Indonesian passport to go to Pakistan in 81. That means Barry swore an Oath of Allegiance to Indonesia and had to renounce all other allegiances to get that passport. This is independent confirmation of information we’ve had and from OUR OWN State Department, Barry couldn’t go to Pakistan on an American passport if he didn’t have one. There are so many amazing pieces of good news coming in. I wish I could tell you all about it. I will say this, I am skeptical of the announcement Barry will be served with papers to block his swearing in tomorrow, but it’s not inconceivable in light of other information I have heard today. Again, I have no way to verify anything except that which we have obtained certified documents. Despite the media's worst efforts to suppress this, if Barry wants to be reelected he'll have to produce something. Of course all of his diehard blow jobbers will disappear by then the way those who used to support Nixon (and Clinton and Bush) now have....
This will get buried....
This will get buried.... Perhaps. But, I have a feeling that he ain't gonna pull this off. If anything, he'll forever serve as the textbook example of "just how sneaky them Muslims can be...." Obama will do for Muslims what Julius and Ethyl did for Jews.
Obama will do for Muslims what Julius and Ethyl did for Jews. I would like for that to be the case, but I'm not so optimistic. We shall see.
This is absurd. Of course two planes hit the WTC towers. They weren't the planes we were told they were, but two planes hit them. Anyone saying no planes hit the WTC towers is putting out disinfo to discredit the 9/11 truth movement.
God is always good!
We shall see. Well, after Clinton/Gore slipped the noose for selling America to the Chinese, I suppose I have no reason to be optimistic. (Not to mention Mega's unfettered access to everything in The White House)
sorry...who's Mega?
sorry...who's Mega? Israel's top Mole in the U.S. Government. Most likely Rahm Emmanuel.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Your (link) as to how 9/11 was done is the best overview I've seen so far. I theorized alternative 2 but the first one is probably more realistic considering that criminals like to keep things simple.
That doesn't bother me. IT's not like this is the first time it's ever happened.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files
sorry...who's Mega? Israel's top Mole in the U.S. Government. Most likely Rahm Emmanuel. Israeli Spies: 'Mega Was Not An Agent; Mega Was the Boss' And thanks, OI.
Given the seriousness of the Mega security breach, the abrupt shutdown of the mole hunt naturally prompted some wild speculation about the circumstances under which the search for Mega was abandoned. In March 1999, British author Gordon Thomas released a book, Gideon's Spies, which alleged that Israel had blackmailed the Clinton Administration, with the threat to release tapped telephone conversations between the President and Monica Lewinsky, to force Washington to abandon the Mega hunt. Indeed, in her testimony before independent counsel Kenneth Starr, Lewinsky had reported that the President had warned her, on March 29, 1997, at the height of the Mega hunt, that he suspected the White House telephones were being tapped by agents of an unnamed foreign country. An "unnamed foreign country"? Them dam Eskimos and Micronesians-you just can't trust em!
This is absurd. Of course two planes hit the WTC towers. They weren't the planes we were told they were, but two planes hit them. Anyone saying no planes hit the WTC towers is putting out disinfo to discredit the 9/11 truth movement. I agree. The real flight may have been remotely piloted out over the water and dumped in an ocean trench, and that would explain why it was spotted on Radar after it reportedly crashed. Now that demons are in control no act of cold blooded murder is unthinkable.
More proof that you are stupid and easily lied to. Unless Obama authorized the release of that information FOIA would have protecetd his file from release. The Information and Privacy Coordinator is responsible for acting on all initial requests except for requests for records coming under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Consular Affairs, the Bureau of Diplomatic Security, the Bureau of Human Resources, the Office of Medical Services, and the Office of the Inspector General. (a) Third party requests. Except for requests under the Privacy Act by a parent of a minor or by a legal guardian (Sec. 171.32(c)), requests for records pertaining to another individual shall be processed under the FOIA and must be accompanied by a written authorization for access by the individual, notarized or made under penalty of perjury, or by proof that the individual is deceased (e.g., death certificate or obituary).
The second plane was clearly visible to me as I stood at th cporner of Church and Libertu as a United 767...it's an image that I will never lose until I turn cold and am burned and scattered...
Did he show you his Indonesian one?
So I hit the "p" key which is right next to the "o" key. Sue me...
Most likely Rahm Emmanuel. Never heard of this, or him, before. Thanks. I'll do some research on that.
Thanks for the link! bookmarked for later leisure reading today.
Why are you even here on this forum war? Did Goldi give you a timeout for not praising the brave Israeli soldiers as they murdered little kids as much as she liked? Or are you here just to troll for lack of anything better to do?
Are you BeAChooser? Regardless, how do you explain the impossible freefall speed of the towers? The undamaged structure below the impact area would not have behaved like thin air, yet the structures (both towers, AND the relatively undamaged WTC7) fell at free fall speeds as if falling through thin air. What's your scientific explanation (and please don't say "pancaking" as even THAT would not occur at free fall speed). Do you not find the fact that all records and evidence pertaining to the Enron investigation was destroyed in the relatively undamaged WTC7 to be just a tad suspicious? What proof is there that the individuals cited as the 9/11 hijackers actually carried out the attacks, especially when some of them are still alive and have been on TV?
LP got too kooky and racist for him. As a remedy, he obviously felt he should double down and go hang out with the REAL kooks.
I'd rather post on a forum in which there are basically no rules and thus nothing is enforced rather than one that claims to have them and then are selectively enforced. It's really nothing against Goldi. It's her forum and she can exercise or not exercise her editorial discsretion in any manner that she sees fit. I just happen to disagree with it. I like Goldi. And, I still post at LP, btw...just not as much... But as to WHY I am here...I was invited 3 and a half years ago to check this site out. I registered and lurked.
Now THAT was funny. Actually, I enjoy being around those who make no pretense about their beliefs as opposed to those who use innuendo or are coy about it.
Explain this. See how the top of the tower is tilting on an angle? Simple physics would determine that the top of the tower should have toppled over and tumbled, as there is less resistance to the air than there would be to the steel and concrete below it, thus it would have continued it's rotational movement and toppled over. Why did it all of a sudden drop like a rock straight down through the steel and concrete rather than simply topple over as it appears ready to do in the following picture? Good God no... Regardless, how do you explain the impossible freefall speed of the towers? They did not fall at free fall speed. The towers fell because the weigth bearing walls were actually the outside of the building. Once they were compromised as well as the support trusses it becamse an exercise in simple physics. Do you not find the fact that all records and evidence pertaining to the Enron investigation was destroyed in the relatively undamaged WTC7 to be just a tad suspicious? Uh...considering that they were not I don't find it suspicious at all. the relatively undamaged WTC7 WTC 7 was no "realtively undamaged". Almost teh whole of the South Facade was gone and fires raged within it... What proof is there that the individuals cited as the 9/11 hijackers actually carried out the attacks, especially when some of them are still alive and have been on TV? Wha...chuckle...huh? I'll buy the fact that some of the 9/11 hijackers most likely used aliases...BFD...
As you can see it's not dropping stright...your own photo shows the tilt...in the case of 1 it fell into the Deutsche Bank Building and in the case of 2 it fell into 7...
Oh looky here, we have a live shill onboard. I remember you from past 9/11 "discussions". Aren't you McCainRocks over at LP, and used to be HappyFunBalls, amongst a whole bunch of other names?
The top of the tower should have continued it's fall to where it would have flipped to the side and fallen down without going through the rest of the entire tower. Sort of like putting a can on top of a damaged box of cereral and pushing down on one end of the can till it tilts if you want an analogy. The can wouldn't fall through the box, it'd simply slide off the box and fall.
Uh no...it would not "flip"...gravity would take it in the most direct route of its momentum...
I can't believe you guys are still dwelling on that truther nonsense. As with the NAU discussions, that is so last administration. Do you still dwell on the merits of The Brady Bunch vs Happy Days?
How could you have posted at LP and not know the difference between war and BAC? They both posted a lot and about the only agreement they had was that you truthers are about two pancakes short of a stack.
They did not fall at free fall speed They fell in about 10-11 seconds, where free fall through air would have been a little over 9 seconds. So you're wrong. The towers fell because the weigth bearing walls were actually the outside of the building. For one, the steel core bore the majority of the weight. For two, the structure supported itself without falling for quite some time. The weight that the structure supported didn't change due to the fires, nor did it change PERIOD. As far as energy exerted due to the collapse of one floor from the height that the planes impacted, there would be minimal extra load the structure would to have needed to support. So that's bullshit. Once they were compromised as well as the support trusses it becamse an exercise in simple physics. Apparently we studied a different sort of physics. Uh...considering that they were not I don't find it suspicious at all. Where were the Enron SEC filings stored? WTC 7 was no "realtively undamaged". Almost teh whole of the South Facade was gone and fires raged within it... Bullshit. Even if true, WTC7 was internally reinforced. Do you think it was incapable of supporting itself without one of it's exterior walls? How do you think it kept from falling while they were building it? You have so many childish assumptions it's sort of humorous, as you have to used really fractured logic to arrive at your conclusions. Oh and BTW, there were no "raging fires", there was a bit of a diesel fire inside but nothing close to a "raging fire". You think that a structure such as WTC7 would simply collapse like a deck of cards due to a relatively small internal fire a bit of damage to an exterior wall? Geesh. I'll buy the fact that some of the 9/11 hijackers most likely used aliases...BFD... The individuals listed as the hijackers are not said to be using aliases, and are indentified with not only their names but their photos. There are at least several individuals identified as hijackers who are still alive, and ARE the people that are so identified.
You mean like what happens in a controlled demolition? Well, this is different....the plane hit the building (which was specifically designed to withstand the impact of a direct hit by a plane), and the plane had fuel (no matter that the fire was limited to just a couple floors, as opposed to other towers which have also had intense fire but never collapsed)....and because of the intense flames (limited to two floors?)....the structural beams just melted.......and can't you just believe these people already?! : )
Because war shills for the government when it comes to 9/11 and behaves just like BAC on that topic, especially with his use of the word KOOK. I'm just waiting for a ROFL to go along with it...
That was funny.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. It's sort of like Dorothy when she clicks her heels... I bet that's what a lot of folks do, just click their heels and convince themselves that it's all just a bad dream. It's MUCH easier to simply believe the talking heads on TV than to actually think for themselves.
Which is through the path of least resistance, ie. the air.
You forgot that it was Magickal Jet Fuel™ that can change properties at will and burn hotter than the sun. And they only ever made one batch of it and it was all used that day as evidenced by the fact that other skyscrapers have burned longer and fully engulfed since then, yet none of them fell. Not one. And some had burned before that day too and not one of those fell either. Steel skyscrapers just can't handle that Magickal Jet Fuel™.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Do you still beat little puppies?
So true! What I find also so insane...these very people (the media and .gov) they are believing are the very ones they admit have an agenda, do not care about the people, are only in politics for the power and money, are only on the airwaves to spout propaganda...but when it comes to 9/11, these same people (the media and .gov) become virtual truthtellers and outright angels if not saints.
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#36. To: HOUNDDAWG (#35)
FOIA confirming Barry never had an American passport under the name of Barack Obama until his diplomatic passport issued as a US Senator?
#37. To: litus (#36)
FOIA confirming Barry never had an American passport under the name of Barack Obama until his diplomatic passport issued as a US Senator?
#38. To: HOUNDDAWG (#37)
If anything, he'll forever serve as the textbook example of "just how sneaky them Muslims can be...."
#39. To: Artisan (#0)
they still cannot accept that no plane hit the WTC
#40. To: litus (#38)
I would like for that to be the case, but I'm not so optimistic.
#41. To: HOUNDDAWG (#40)
Mega's unfettered access
#42. To: litus (#41)
Mega's unfettered access
#43. To: Itistoolate (#28)
#44. To: wudidiz (#31)
#45. To: litus, Original Intent (#41)
Mega's unfettered access
#46. To: Original_Intent (#42)
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#47. To: RickyJ (#39)
(Edited)
they still cannot accept that no plane hit the WTC
#48. To: HOUNDDAWG (#35)
...about the FOIA confirming [he] never had an American passport under the name of Barack Obama
#49. To: RickyJ (#39)
They weren't the planes we were told they were, but two planes hit them.
#50. To: HOUNDDAWG (#33)
You mean Obama showed you the US passport he used when he was 20 years old?
#51. To: wudidiz (#31)
#52. To: Original_Intent, HOUNDDAWG (#42)
Israel's top Mole in the U.S. Government.
#53. To: HOUNDDAWG, Original Intent (#45)
#54. To: war (#10)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#55. To: war (#24)
One of the "facts" that you kooks
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#56. To: FormerLurker (#54)
#57. To: FormerLurker (#54)
Why are you even here on this forum war?
#58. To: longnose gar (#56)
#59. To: war (#17)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#60. To: FormerLurker (#55)
Are you BeAChooser?
#61. To: FormerLurker (#59)
#62. To: longnose gar (#56)
longnose gar
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#63. To: war (#61)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#64. To: FormerLurker (#63)
The top of the tower should have continued it's fall to where it would have flipped to the side and fallen down without going through the rest of the entire tower.
#65. To: FormerLurker (#62)
#66. To: FormerLurker, war (#55)
#67. To: war (#60)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#68. To: FormerLurker (#59)
Why did it all of a sudden drop like a rock straight down through the steel and concrete rather than simply topple over as it appears ready to do in the following picture?
#69. To: longnose gar, war (#66)
How could you have posted at LP and not know the difference between war and BAC?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#70. To: FormerLurker (#55)
Are you BeAChooser?
Lord Acton
#71. To: litus (#68)
can't you just believe these people already?!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#72. To: war (#64)
Uh no...it would not "flip"...gravity would take it in the most direct route of its momentum...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#73. To: litus (#68)
Lord Acton
#74. To: longnose gar (#65)
Do you still dwell on the merits of The Brady Bunch vs Happy Days?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#75. To: FormerLurker (#71)
It's MUCH easier to simply believe the talking heads on TV than to actually think for themselves.
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