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Title: 9/11 UAL 175 Plane on Radar AFTER It Has 'Crashed' Into The WTC; (MSNBC)
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Published: Mar 16, 2009
Author: msnbc
Post Date: 2009-03-16 13:04:41 by Artisan
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http://conspiracyrealitytv.com/911-ual-175-plane-on-radar-after-it-has-crashed-into-the-wtc/

Kudos to SEATNINEB for this. Check forum here at: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=14399

FAA radar is tracking, in real time, flight 175 after it has supposedly crashed into the WTC. This is perhaps an hour later. Although many people do not believe an aircraft hit the Pentagon or crashed in Shanksville, they still cannot accept that no plane hit the WTC. Perhaps this may help.

3 IFR aircraft in the air in a 30 mile radius of New york city is consistent with one hour of diversions and forced landings.

One hour before you would expect a very large multiple of 3 aircraft to be in the air. NY has several incredibly busy airports.Check anytime on FLIGHT AWARE and count the aircraft within a 30 mile radius of NY. There should be 60 to 100


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#535. To: war (#525)

9/11 UAL 175 Plane on Radar AFTER It Has 'Crashed' Into The WTC; (MSNBC) (#479) [Full Thread] Post Date: 2009-03-21 00:22:14 From: litus To: war

War thinks the WTC towers were not steel framed. I kid you not! (#24) [Full Thread] Post Date: 2009-03-20 13:03:35 From: litus To: war

~snip~

You dare to claim the above post is "snipped" as something I ever stated? Furthermore, you claim that what you quoted was from my post #24?

You are a liar.

What I stated in Post #24 contained the following, in full:

#24. To: war (#21)

[QUOTE] Gravity did...[ENDQUOTE]

Magical fuel and magical gravity....all on one day with three towers...beyond fantastical that they all fell onto their own footprint.

lol!

litus posted on 2009-03-20 13:03:35 ET

So, not only have you lied again, now you falsely attribute statements I never made....to me.

litus  posted on  2009-03-22   1:16:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#536. To: Kamala (#529)

The NIST finding requires that the floor end connections held and that the sagging floors remained connected to the columns.

This is directly opposite of the speculation of FEMA

Thanks much for the link to that...I will read it through tomorrow when my brain is fresh. Interesting above quote...FEMA "speculation"...ain't that a dandy one?!

litus  posted on  2009-03-22   1:33:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#537. To: litus (#535)

Tell me that you didn't just respond to me by saying: "Liar!!! I never posted that post about WTC on that other thread that I claimed I did not post but that both you and I have posted again here!!!!"

war  posted on  2009-03-22   8:31:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#538. To: tom007 (#533)

If the floors 'pancaked', then why was there no stack of floors at the bottom?

Because they were made of cement ond the force of the impact obliderated them. What do you ***think*** a good part of that "dust" was?

That said, when the Towers collapsed, the debris was up to 14 stories tall.

war  posted on  2009-03-22   8:36:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#539. To: war (#538)

What do you ***think*** a good part of that "dust" was?

??? Non Sequiter.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2009-03-22   9:50:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#540. To: tom007 (#539)

Non Sequiter

What you **think** that phrase means, it doesn't.

war  posted on  2009-03-22   13:03:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#541. To: war (#540)

What you **think** that phrase means, it doesn't.

War.

You somehow posted to me in error.

And how you presume to know what I think.... Shows a lot of arrogance.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2009-03-22   19:43:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#542. To: tom007 (#541)

You somehow posted to me in error.

Nope. It traced back to you. You misused "non sequiter" [sic - which means you misspelled it too]. I HAVE the facts.

war  posted on  2009-03-22   19:47:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#543. To: war, wudidiz (#532)

If the floors 'pancaked', then why was there no stack of floors at the bottom?

'Pancaked' Hahahaha

Did you read that war?

wudidiz is right. If they pancaked then they would all be stacked up at the bottom.

They didn't pancake at all, they exploded mid-air like the rest of the building did.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-22   20:04:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#544. To: war (#542) (Edited)

Nope. It traced back to you

Nope you didn't, not correctly.

Yes I misspelled the Latin.

And to be clear, I have no problem with you arguing about 9-11, the more honest info the better.

I just had no connection with the "pancake" stuff, and don't know why I was pinged.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2009-03-22   20:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#545. To: war, tom007 (#538)

>> If the floors 'pancaked', then why was there no stack of floors at the bottom?

Because they were made of cement ond (sic) the force of the impact obliderated (sic) them.

This is what a building whose floors pancaked during an earthquake looks like.

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As you can see, the cement was not obliterated by the force of the collisions on each floor.

The WTC tower's floors were blown up just like the rest of the building was in each building.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-22   20:17:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#546. To: tom007 (#544)

Nope you didn't, not correctly.

Yes I misspelled the Latin.

Wha,...chuckle...huh?

I didn't trace it back to you but it was you who misspelled it?

Moonies...you just cannot make their shit up...

war  posted on  2009-03-22   20:18:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#547. To: RickyJ (#545)

The WTC tower's floors were blown up just like the rest of the building was in each building.

Ha...

HA Ha...

HA HA Ha...

HA HA HA...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Hey Moonbat...why didn't the explosion and fire that by everyone's observation reached the core, set off any of those charges?

war  posted on  2009-03-22   20:20:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#548. To: war (#547) (Edited)

Hey Moonbat...why didn't the explosion and fire that by everyone's observation reached the core, set off any of those charges?

They did. It just didn't set off enough of them to bring the building down so they had to do it later via remote control.

Oh, and that explosion, the big fire ball of jet fuel seen outside the WTC tower after impact, was mostly outside the building.

If it were mostly inside the building then no one on any of those floors would have survived it. But many did.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-22   20:24:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#549. To: war (#538) (Edited)

#538. To: tom007 (#533)

If the floors 'pancaked', then why was there no stack of floors at the bottom?

Because they were made of cement ond the force of the impact obliderated them. What do you ***think*** a good part of that "dust" was?

That said, when the Towers collapsed, the debris was up to 14 stories tall.

war posted on 2009-03-22 8:36:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Above is the post you made to me, WAR.

And it makes no sense to me, as I had nothing to do with whatever that discussion was.

And BTW, you misspelled several words there, and they were not Latin.

And please note that I am not assuming that I know what you think.

So quit being so full of yourself.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2009-03-22   20:24:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#550. To: RickyJ (#548)

They did. It just didn't set off enough of them to bring the building down so they had to do it later via remote control.

Say "Good Night, Gracie"...

war  posted on  2009-03-22   20:25:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#551. To: tom007 (#549)

And BTW, you misspelled several words there, and they were not Latin.

Yep....I limit my typos to one language...

war  posted on  2009-03-22   20:26:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#552. To: war (#550)

Say "Good Night, Gracie"...

You are retarded, do you know that?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-22   20:34:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#553. To: RickyJ (#552)

You are retarded, do you know that?

Sad the guy who believes that they built remote control redundancy into plane crash activated set charges and but doesn't understand the force/energy dynamic of a falling multi-ton structure on cement...

war  posted on  2009-03-22   20:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#554. To: RickyJ (#548)

Oh, and that explosion, the big fire ball of jet fuel seen outside the WTC tower after impact, was mostly outside the building.

Another one who ***thinks*** that nothing exploded inside the building...

But I'm retarded...

war  posted on  2009-03-22   20:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#555. To: RickyJ (#548)

Oh, and that explosion, the big fire ball of jet fuel seen outside the WTC tower after impact, was mostly outside the building.

Another one who ***thinks*** that nothing exploded inside the building...even though he ***thinks*** that the charges were set to explode on impact...

But I'm retarded...

war  posted on  2009-03-22   20:42:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#556. To: war (#555)

But I'm retarded...

Not only are you retarded, you stutter too.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-22   20:47:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#557. To: war (#551)

Yep....I limit my typos to one language...

Not me, I misspell in all the languages I write.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2009-03-22   20:50:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#558. To: war (#555) (Edited)

Another one who ***thinks*** that nothing exploded inside the building...even though he ***thinks*** that the charges were set to explode on impact...

No, they weren't set to explode on impact, but still some went off in the area, just not enough to compromise the structural integrity of the very well built structures the WTC towers were.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-22   20:51:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#559. To: SKYDRIFTER, Artisan, Christine, Jethro Tull, It istoolate, All (#530)

If the aircraft was "remote controlled," the pilots would have the ability to either override the electronics, or at least radio that they were in dire peril, via radio, or the transponder.

So you're saying that there is NO way someone with intimate knowledge of the aircraft systems could design a device to completely take over any and all systems, and that there would be no way to stop the pilot from isolating the problem and disabling the device?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-22   21:07:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#560. To: SKYDRIFTER, FormerLurker (#559)

>> If the aircraft was "remote controlled," the pilots would have the ability to either override the electronics, or at least radio that they were in dire peril, via radio, or the transponder.

So you're saying that there is NO way someone with intimate knowledge of the aircraft systems could design a device to completely take over any and all systems, and that there would be no way to stop the pilot from isolating the problem and disabling the device?

Why does everyone assume that there even was a crew, or passengers?

This could have been a military plane disguised as a UAL plane.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-22   21:13:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#561. To: RickyJ (#558)

And your evidence for this is what?

war  posted on  2009-03-23   8:40:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#562. To: RickyJ (#560)

Why does everyone assume that there even was a crew, or passengers?

Um...because people bought tickets and boarded the plane in Boston.

war  posted on  2009-03-23   8:47:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#563. To: RickyJ, SKYDRIFTER (#560)

I can't understand why SKYDRIFTER hasn't answered any of my questions here concerning his view of the possibility of remote control being used in the 9/11 attacks.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-23   16:12:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#564. To: war, RickyJ (#562)

Um...because people bought tickets and boarded the plane in Boston.

There's no evidence they boarded the planes, and I don't think there's any evidence they bought tickets either, but I could be mistaken. Why don't you post some links that prove they actually bought tickets.

As I said, there is NO proof that they actually boarded the planes, but you're more than welcome to look for it.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-23   16:13:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#565. To: war (#553)

Sad the guy who believes that they built remote control redundancy into plane crash activated set charges and but doesn't understand the force/energy dynamic of a falling multi-ton structure on cement...

Hey imbecile, check this out.

Photobucket

This is a bridge in Lebanon that was hit by missiles from Israeli jets. This bridge was much higher than the 1 floor distance in the WTC Towers. Still yet, even after falling hundreds of feet and having an actual missile hit it, it did NOT obliterate upon impact to fine dust. You might want to go back and check your physics book, you just screwed up big time. Thank god you are not a structural engineer. :)

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-23   16:35:13 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#566. To: war (#562)

Um...because people bought tickets and boarded the plane in Boston.

Yeah, that solves it then, why didn't I think of that?

They told us those planes hit the towers and those people were on the planes and no one has seen them since so that must mean those planes hit the WTC towers. <.sarcasm>

It must mean that only if you are using kindergarten logic. And you are not capable of much more than that.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-23   19:23:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#567. To: FormerLurker (#563)

I can't understand why SKYDRIFTER hasn't answered any of my questions here concerning his view of the possibility of remote control being used in the 9/11 attacks.

I don't know. I know he was a former commercial airline pilot, but why he thinks the actual planes taking off from Logan airport with passengers and crew on them hit the buildings is anybody's guess. All we have to go on is the word of the media and government and they have lied constantly about 9/11 so why would they tell the truth about the planes that really hit the towers?

Unless Skydrifter has some information we don't have then it is very strange of him to dismiss the missile guidance or remote control possibility on the planes that actually hit the WTC towers. So far he has not presented any information that would rule this out.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-23   19:59:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#568. To: FormerLurker (#564)

There's no evidence they boarded the planes

Riiight...because American Airlaines and UAL are both in on the conspiracy. s

war  posted on  2009-03-24   8:20:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#569. To: RickyJ (#565)

How many tons fell upon it to make it fall?

war  posted on  2009-03-24   8:29:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#570. To: RickyJ (#566)

It must mean that only if you are using kindergarten logic.

If you shit in one hand and wish in the other which hand weighs more?

That's kindergarten logic too.

war  posted on  2009-03-24   8:32:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#571. To: war (#569)

How many tons fell upon it to make it fall?

You surely don't think that the entire WTC structure above the impact zone fell straight down at once, do you? Not even the government's loony theory goes that far. The government's theory says one floor fell, which led to the next floor falling in a domino fashion. When they say a floor fell, they mean just the floor fell, not the entire structure above it. You really need to know what it is you are trying to defend before you start defending it.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-24   15:18:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#572. To: RickyJ (#571)

You surely don't think that the entire WTC structure above the impact zone fell straight down at once

As is apparent from the videos it most certainly appeared to do so as it was the support [a combo of the trusses weakened by fire and the outer support walls bowing inward] below the level above the imapact zone that gave way thus allowing the top to fll as it was detached from the bottom.

Some of the "Troofers" try to fashion the fiction that because the below impact trusses failed that the top trusses had to fail too. Unfortunately for them [and you] there is no aspect of the WTC's engineering to support that contention.

war  posted on  2009-03-24   15:52:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#573. To: war (#572)

As is apparent from the videos it most certainly appeared to do so as it was the support [a combo of the trusses weakened by fire and the outer support walls bowing inward] below the level above the imapact zone that gave way thus allowing the top to fll as it was detached from the bottom.

Oh, so that's what you think. Hmmm, that is a very far fetched theory to say the least, but at least you are honest about it.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-24   18:04:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#574. To: war (#572) (Edited)

Perhaps you could tell us about the coincidence of the crashed floors with respect to the upgrading of fireproofing

Oh, by the way, I have it that you like to troll.

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. - Henry Louis Mencken

rack42  posted on  2009-03-24   22:44:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#575. To: war (#572)

As is apparent from the videos it most certainly appeared to do so as it was the support [a combo of the trusses weakened by fire and the outer support walls bowing inward]

trusses weakened by fire? I thought that you said that fire wouldn't weaken steel? Or was it jet-a that wouldn't weaken steel, only that some office furnishings would weaken steel. Rather confusing.

Keep going with this trolling. It's amusing.

...outer support walls bowing inward...> Now that's a howl.

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. - Henry Louis Mencken

rack42  posted on  2009-03-24   22:50:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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