Title: 9/11 UAL 175 Plane on Radar AFTER It Has 'Crashed' Into The WTC; (MSNBC) Source:
, URL Source:http://, Published:Mar 16, 2009 Author:msnbc Post Date:2009-03-16 13:04:41 by Artisan Ping List:*9-11*Subscribe to *9-11* Keywords:None Views:11961 Comments:607
Another one who ***thinks*** that nothing exploded inside the building...even though he ***thinks*** that the charges were set to explode on impact...
No, they weren't set to explode on impact, but still some went off in the area, just not enough to compromise the structural integrity of the very well built structures the WTC towers were.
#559. To: SKYDRIFTER, Artisan, Christine, Jethro Tull, It istoolate, All (#530)
If the aircraft was "remote controlled," the pilots would have the ability to either override the electronics, or at least radio that they were in dire peril, via radio, or the transponder.
So you're saying that there is NO way someone with intimate knowledge of the aircraft systems could design a device to completely take over any and all systems, and that there would be no way to stop the pilot from isolating the problem and disabling the device?
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
>> If the aircraft was "remote controlled," the pilots would have the ability to either override the electronics, or at least radio that they were in dire peril, via radio, or the transponder.
So you're saying that there is NO way someone with intimate knowledge of the aircraft systems could design a device to completely take over any and all systems, and that there would be no way to stop the pilot from isolating the problem and disabling the device?
Why does everyone assume that there even was a crew, or passengers?
This could have been a military plane disguised as a UAL plane.
I can't understand why SKYDRIFTER hasn't answered any of my questions here concerning his view of the possibility of remote control being used in the 9/11 attacks.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Um...because people bought tickets and boarded the plane in Boston.
There's no evidence they boarded the planes, and I don't think there's any evidence they bought tickets either, but I could be mistaken. Why don't you post some links that prove they actually bought tickets.
As I said, there is NO proof that they actually boarded the planes, but you're more than welcome to look for it.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Sad the guy who believes that they built remote control redundancy into plane crash activated set charges and but doesn't understand the force/energy dynamic of a falling multi-ton structure on cement...
Hey imbecile, check this out.
This is a bridge in Lebanon that was hit by missiles from Israeli jets. This bridge was much higher than the 1 floor distance in the WTC Towers. Still yet, even after falling hundreds of feet and having an actual missile hit it, it did NOT obliterate upon impact to fine dust. You might want to go back and check your physics book, you just screwed up big time. Thank god you are not a structural engineer. :)
Um...because people bought tickets and boarded the plane in Boston.
Yeah, that solves it then, why didn't I think of that?
They told us those planes hit the towers and those people were on the planes and no one has seen them since so that must mean those planes hit the WTC towers. <.sarcasm>
It must mean that only if you are using kindergarten logic. And you are not capable of much more than that.
I can't understand why SKYDRIFTER hasn't answered any of my questions here concerning his view of the possibility of remote control being used in the 9/11 attacks.
I don't know. I know he was a former commercial airline pilot, but why he thinks the actual planes taking off from Logan airport with passengers and crew on them hit the buildings is anybody's guess. All we have to go on is the word of the media and government and they have lied constantly about 9/11 so why would they tell the truth about the planes that really hit the towers?
Unless Skydrifter has some information we don't have then it is very strange of him to dismiss the missile guidance or remote control possibility on the planes that actually hit the WTC towers. So far he has not presented any information that would rule this out.
You surely don't think that the entire WTC structure above the impact zone fell straight down at once, do you? Not even the government's loony theory goes that far. The government's theory says one floor fell, which led to the next floor falling in a domino fashion. When they say a floor fell, they mean just the floor fell, not the entire structure above it. You really need to know what it is you are trying to defend before you start defending it.
You surely don't think that the entire WTC structure above the impact zone fell straight down at once
As is apparent from the videos it most certainly appeared to do so as it was the support [a combo of the trusses weakened by fire and the outer support walls bowing inward] below the level above the imapact zone that gave way thus allowing the top to fll as it was detached from the bottom.
Some of the "Troofers" try to fashion the fiction that because the below impact trusses failed that the top trusses had to fail too. Unfortunately for them [and you] there is no aspect of the WTC's engineering to support that contention.
As is apparent from the videos it most certainly appeared to do so as it was the support [a combo of the trusses weakened by fire and the outer support walls bowing inward] below the level above the imapact zone that gave way thus allowing the top to fll as it was detached from the bottom.
Oh, so that's what you think. Hmmm, that is a very far fetched theory to say the least, but at least you are honest about it.
Perhaps you could tell us about the coincidence of the crashed floors with respect to the upgrading of fireproofing
Oh, by the way, I have it that you like to troll.
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. - Henry Louis Mencken
As is apparent from the videos it most certainly appeared to do so as it was the support [a combo of the trusses weakened by fire and the outer support walls bowing inward]
trusses weakened by fire? I thought that you said that fire wouldn't weaken steel? Or was it jet-a that wouldn't weaken steel, only that some office furnishings would weaken steel. Rather confusing.
Keep going with this trolling. It's amusing.
...outer support walls bowing inward...> Now that's a howl.
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. - Henry Louis Mencken
You see, first the sagging floors sheered off the attaching bolts from the perimeter columns, but then that was proven false so those same magic wet noodle floors sagged and instead of sheering a couple of 5/8" bolts, they pulled in 1/2" walled box perimeter columns.
You see, first the sagging floors sheered off the attaching bolts from the perimeter columns, but then that was proven false so those same magic wet noodle floors sagged and instead of sheering a couple of 5/8" bolts, they pulled in 1/2" walled box perimeter columns.
Thems was mighty strong wet noodles.
Yeah, your right. MAGIC.
I'm still trying to get my mind around this MAGIC.
I'm also trying to figure out just who or what is AEROSPACEWEB.ORG that has not responded to emails for the past year, apparently cuz of the amount of email received.
Does anyone know Jeff Scott form 648 N Inyo St, Ridgecrest, CA?
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. - Henry Louis Mencken
#578. To: rack42, war, SneakyPete, and other coolaid drinkers (#577)
I'm still trying to get my mind around this MAGIC.
Not only did the wet noodle hold on tight and bend the perimeter columns, but it magically did it to every column simultaneously, in a building unevenly heated by fire, causing an equally magical symmetrical failure.
Not only did the wet noodle hold on tight and bend the perimeter columns, but it magically did it to every column simultaneously, in a building unevenly heated by fire, causing an equally magical symmetrical failure.
And it did all that to THREE different buildings in exactly the same manner. It's a miracle I tell ya'! (It's also a scientific and statistical impossibility)
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ALAS, BABYLON. It's over. Last one here turn out the lights.
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Follow the crumbs:
Setiawan, Syafrin
syafrins@AIAA.ORG
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Phone for Syafrin Setiawan gives: (703) 264-7578 Washington, VA What a surprise.
Syafrin Setiawan at Linked In" Network Admin at AIAA"
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. - Henry Louis Mencken
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#586. To: RickyJ, Former Lurker, Christine, Jethro Tull, Itistoolate, Diana, All (#560)
To: SKYDRIFTER, FormerLurker
>> If the aircraft was "remote controlled," the pilots would have the ability to either override the electronics, or at least radio that they were in dire peril, via radio, or the transponder. So you're saying that there is NO way someone with intimate knowledge of the aircraft systems could design a device to completely take over any and all systems, and that there would be no way to stop the pilot from isolating the problem and disabling the device?
Why does everyone assume that there even was a crew, or passengers?
This could have been a military plane disguised as a UAL plane.
The ability of the pilots to defeat any black-ops devices is unlimited, right down to shutting down the engines, so as to de-power the devices, then re- lighting the engines. Again, there would have been radio calls, transponder emergency/hijack settings, etc.
The video captures of the second strike are too real to be denied. Among other matters, to the trained eye of an airline pilot, a mistake in handling can be noted, along with the logical corrective response. To support that, an aerodynamically created vapor condensation shape takes place, right where it should.
Yes, we can all play the "...what if" game, all day long. In the end, nothing else fits.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even to the degree of "political athiesm." For better or worse, the dynamic final analysis goes to the function of consensus - which took us into two War Crime invasions & occupations; still ongoing.
What is the consensus of 9-11, today? Of late, I'm getting BS E-mail from disinformationists, using an E-mail list. The mission seems to say, "Don't even look toward the curtain; and DON'T you dare look behind it!" Fortunately, BAC, et al, trained me well. The key question is, why are the disinformationists re-surfacing? What's on the near horizon?
#587. To: FormerLurker, RickyJ, Christine, Jethro Tull, All (#563)
I can't understand why SKYDRIFTER hasn't answered any of my questions here concerning his view of the possibility of remote control being used in the 9/11 attacks.
My sincere apologies, I got distracted by other events.
The ability of the pilots to defeat any black-ops devices is unlimited, right down to shutting down the engines, so as to de-power the devices, then re- lighting the engines. Again, there would have been radio calls, transponder emergency/hijack settings, etc.
Ever consider the possibility that knockout gas was pumped into the cockpit? It's certainly WELL within the realm of possibilities.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I don't think they were UAL planes at all. I think they were military remote control and/or laser guided planes with no one on board. The last second turn into the building doesn't mean there had to be an on board pilot. A pilot on the ground with a camera in the cockpit could have done the same thing remotely.
This operation was not going to rely on someone deciding to not kill themselves and crash the plane into the buildings. No, they had to make sure the planes hit the buildings and on board pilots would not have ensured that at all.
No, they had to make sure the planes hit the buildings and on board pilots would not have ensured that at all.
That is absolute fact.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Heard it and saw the aftermath which was watching the glass on 26th Floor 1 Libtery being pelted with office debris and the wtc2 burning out of its South and East Faees...I said "I'm out of here we're under attack..." got down to the street and listened to fools opine that it was a freak accident...as I was getting ready to split for the day, I walked over to the Liberty Street side from the Cortland Street side...as I was approaching corner Church and Liberty #1 got hit...
Heard it and saw the aftermath which was watching the glass on 26th Floor 1 Libtery being pelted with office debris and the wtc2 burning out of its South and East Faees.