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Title: 9/11 UAL 175 Plane on Radar AFTER It Has 'Crashed' Into The WTC; (MSNBC)
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Published: Mar 16, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-03-16 13:04:41 by Artisan
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#567. To: FormerLurker (#563)
I don't know. I know he was a former commercial airline pilot, but why he thinks the actual planes taking off from Logan airport with passengers and crew on them hit the buildings is anybody's guess. All we have to go on is the word of the media and government and they have lied constantly about 9/11 so why would they tell the truth about the planes that really hit the towers? Unless Skydrifter has some information we don't have then it is very strange of him to dismiss the missile guidance or remote control possibility on the planes that actually hit the WTC towers. So far he has not presented any information that would rule this out.
God is always good!
Riiight...because American Airlaines and UAL are both in on the conspiracy. s
How many tons fell upon it to make it fall?
If you shit in one hand and wish in the other which hand weighs more? That's kindergarten logic too.
You surely don't think that the entire WTC structure above the impact zone fell straight down at once, do you? Not even the government's loony theory goes that far. The government's theory says one floor fell, which led to the next floor falling in a domino fashion. When they say a floor fell, they mean just the floor fell, not the entire structure above it. You really need to know what it is you are trying to defend before you start defending it.
God is always good!
As is apparent from the videos it most certainly appeared to do so as it was the support [a combo of the trusses weakened by fire and the outer support walls bowing inward] below the level above the imapact zone that gave way thus allowing the top to fll as it was detached from the bottom. Some of the "Troofers" try to fashion the fiction that because the below impact trusses failed that the top trusses had to fail too. Unfortunately for them [and you] there is no aspect of the WTC's engineering to support that contention.
Oh, so that's what you think. Hmmm, that is a very far fetched theory to say the least, but at least you are honest about it.
God is always good!
Perhaps you could tell us about the coincidence of the crashed floors with respect to the upgrading of fireproofing Oh, by the way, I have it that you like to troll.
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. - Henry Louis Mencken
trusses weakened by fire? I thought that you said that fire wouldn't weaken steel? Or was it jet-a that wouldn't weaken steel, only that some office furnishings would weaken steel. Rather confusing. Keep going with this trolling. It's amusing. ...outer support walls bowing inward...> Now that's a howl.
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. - Henry Louis Mencken
It's the magic wet noodle theory, don't ya know? You see, first the sagging floors sheered off the attaching bolts from the perimeter columns, but then that was proven false so those same magic wet noodle floors sagged and instead of sheering a couple of 5/8" bolts, they pulled in 1/2" walled box perimeter columns. Thems was mighty strong wet noodles.
I can't understand why SKYDRIFTER hasn't answered any of my questions here concerning his view of the possibility of remote control being used in the 9/11 attacks.
#568. To: FormerLurker (#564)
There's no evidence they boarded the planes
#569. To: RickyJ (#565)
#570. To: RickyJ (#566)
It must mean that only if you are using kindergarten logic.
#571. To: war (#569)
How many tons fell upon it to make it fall?
#572. To: RickyJ (#571)
You surely don't think that the entire WTC structure above the impact zone fell straight down at once
#573. To: war (#572)
As is apparent from the videos it most certainly appeared to do so as it was the support [a combo of the trusses weakened by fire and the outer support walls bowing inward] below the level above the imapact zone that gave way thus allowing the top to fll as it was detached from the bottom.
#574. To: war (#572)
(Edited)
#575. To: war (#572)
As is apparent from the videos it most certainly appeared to do so as it was the support [a combo of the trusses weakened by fire and the outer support walls bowing inward]
#576. To: rack42 (#575)
outer support walls bowing inward
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#577. To: Critter (#576)
Thems was mighty strong wet noodles. Yeah, your right. MAGIC. I'm still trying to get my mind around this MAGIC. I'm also trying to figure out just who or what is AEROSPACEWEB.ORG that has not responded to emails for the past year, apparently cuz of the amount of email received. Does anyone know Jeff Scott form 648 N Inyo St, Ridgecrest, CA?
You see, first the sagging floors sheered off the attaching bolts from the perimeter columns, but then that was proven false so those same magic wet noodle floors sagged and instead of sheering a couple of 5/8" bolts, they pulled in 1/2" walled box perimeter columns.
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. - Henry Louis Mencken
#578. To: rack42, war, SneakyPete, and other coolaid drinkers (#577)
Not only did the wet noodle hold on tight and bend the perimeter columns, but it magically did it to every column simultaneously, in a building unevenly heated by fire, causing an equally magical symmetrical failure.
I'm still trying to get my mind around this MAGIC.
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#579. To: Critter (#578)
And it did all that to THREE different buildings in exactly the same manner.Not only did the wet noodle hold on tight and bend the perimeter columns, but it magically did it to every column simultaneously, in a building unevenly heated by fire, causing an equally magical symmetrical failure.
It's a miracle I tell ya'! (It's also a scientific and statistical impossibility)
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ALAS, BABYLON. It's over. Last one here turn out the lights.
#580. To: All (#577) (Edited)
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The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. - Henry Louis Mencken
#581. To: Critter (#578)
Magic Bullet Theory bump
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#582. To: rack42 (#574)
How were the trusses fireproofed?
Perhaps you could tell us about the coincidence of the crashed floors with respect to the upgrading of fireproofing
#583. To: rack42 (#575)
I "said" that where? So were are clear...plane impact, explosion, ensuing fires were the only "conspiracy" that brought down the tires.
trusses weakened by fire? I thought that you said that fire wouldn't weaken steel?
#584. To: war (#583) (Edited)
Yes, I can admit that all of those could, in fact, bring down tires. But not a building, or three, symmetrically.
plane impact, explosion, ensuing fires were the only "conspiracy" that brought down the tires.
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#585. To: Critter (#584)
I'm sitting a block away from where you';ve been proven wrong.
But not a building
#586. To: RickyJ, Former Lurker, Christine, Jethro Tull, Itistoolate, Diana, All (#560)
>> If the aircraft was "remote controlled," the pilots would have the ability to either override the electronics, or at least radio that they were in dire peril, via radio, or the transponder. So you're saying that there is NO way someone with intimate knowledge of the aircraft systems could design a device to completely take over any and all systems, and that there would be no way to stop the pilot from isolating the problem and disabling the device? Why does everyone assume that there even was a crew, or passengers? This could have been a military plane disguised as a UAL plane. The ability of the pilots to defeat any black-ops devices is unlimited, right down to shutting down the engines, so as to de-power the devices, then re- lighting the engines. Again, there would have been radio calls, transponder emergency/hijack settings, etc. The video captures of the second strike are too real to be denied. Among other matters, to the trained eye of an airline pilot, a mistake in handling can be noted, along with the logical corrective response. To support that, an aerodynamically created vapor condensation shape takes place, right where it should. Yes, we can all play the "...what if" game, all day long. In the end, nothing else fits. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even to the degree of "political athiesm." For better or worse, the dynamic final analysis goes to the function of consensus - which took us into two War Crime invasions & occupations; still ongoing. What is the consensus of 9-11, today? Of late, I'm getting BS E-mail from disinformationists, using an E-mail list. The mission seems to say, "Don't even look toward the curtain; and DON'T you dare look behind it!" Fortunately, BAC, et al, trained me well. The key question is, why are the disinformationists re-surfacing? What's on the near horizon? To: SKYDRIFTER, FormerLurker
#587. To: FormerLurker, RickyJ, Christine, Jethro Tull, All (#563)
My sincere apologies, I got distracted by other events.
I can't understand why SKYDRIFTER hasn't answered any of my questions here concerning his view of the possibility of remote control being used in the 9/11 attacks.
#588. To: SKYDRIFTER (#586)
i noticed and wondered the same thing.
The key question is, why are the disinformationists re-surfacing? What's on the near horizon?
#589. To: SKYDRIFTER (#586)
Ever consider the possibility that knockout gas was pumped into the cockpit? It's certainly WELL within the realm of possibilities.
The ability of the pilots to defeat any black-ops devices is unlimited, right down to shutting down the engines, so as to de-power the devices, then re- lighting the engines. Again, there would have been radio calls, transponder emergency/hijack settings, etc.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#590. To: FormerLurker (#589) (Edited)
I don't think they were UAL planes at all. I think they were military remote control and/or laser guided planes with no one on board. The last second turn into the building doesn't mean there had to be an on board pilot. A pilot on the ground with a camera in the cockpit could have done the same thing remotely. This operation was not going to rely on someone deciding to not kill themselves and crash the plane into the buildings. No, they had to make sure the planes hit the buildings and on board pilots would not have ensured that at all.
God is always good!
#591. To: RickyJ (#590)
That is absolute fact.
No, they had to make sure the planes hit the buildings and on board pilots would not have ensured that at all.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#592. To: war (#585)
You saw the first plane hit too?
#593. To: mininggold (#592)
Heard it and saw the aftermath which was watching the glass on 26th Floor 1 Libtery being pelted with office debris and the wtc2 burning out of its South and East Faees...I said "I'm out of here we're under attack..." got down to the street and listened to fools opine that it was a freak accident...as I was getting ready to split for the day, I walked over to the Liberty Street side from the Cortland Street side...as I was approaching corner Church and Liberty #1 got hit...
You saw the first plane hit too?
#594. To: war (#593)
Heard it and saw the aftermath which was watching the glass on 26th Floor 1 Libtery being pelted with office debris and the wtc2 burning out of its South and East Faees. Did you see the Arab hijackers?
You saw the first plane hit too?
#595. To: TwentyTwelve (#594)
Did you See the thermite?
Did you see the Arab hijackers?
#596. To: war, TwentyTwelve, all (#595)
9.11 WTC Thermite -
#597. To: war (#595)
I saw the WTC's turn into pulverized flour.
Did you See the thermite?
#598. To: TwentyTwelve (#597)
Why was there so little steel in the pulverized flour?
I saw the WTC's turn into pulverized flour.
#599. To: TwentyTwelve (#594)
I wonder if he saw any of the Magickal Jet Fuel™. Guess not, it would have probably blinded anyone who saw it or scorched them to death from a thousand feet away.
Did you see the Arab hijackers?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#600. To: war (#380)
Uh huh. They felt the IMPACT which SOUNDED like an explosion dumbass.
Your problem is that I know people who were in that building...who felt the impact explosion IN THE BUILDING...they didn't "hear it" outside the building.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#601. To: war (#398)
I posted the one from the Boston Globe on 9/13, doof. A newspaper graphic does not equal a flight manifest. Now, go find a link to the OFFICIAL flight manifests for the hijacked aircraft. I mean the flight manifests that the airlines use, not a pretty picture created by a graphic artist working for a newspaper who was given his information by a press release from Homeland Security.
As far as the FLIGHT MANIFESTS, well, go ahead and find them
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#602. To: FormerLurker, war (#600) (Edited)
Uh huh. They felt the IMPACT which SOUNDED like an explosion dumbass. Yeah, he knows people that were in the building all right. Probably the same ones who placed the nano-thermite (US military grade super thermite, not easily made by your average cave man) in it.
Your problem is that I know people who were in that building...who felt the impact explosion IN THE BUILDING...they didn't "hear it" outside the building.
God is always good!
#603. To: RickyJ (#602)
That wouldn't surprise me in the least. Who knows, maybe his hands are dirtier than we think...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#604. To: FormerLurker, RickyJ, Christine, Jethro Tull, All (#589)
Prior to 9-11, gaining cockpit access was incredibly easy. Not that your scenario isn't without possibility (I won't elaborate), but that's way over the line for "complex," relative to the probability of failure. The perps of 9-11 were too knowledgeable to have needed anything complex, to gain cockpit entry.
Ever consider the possibility that knockout gas was pumped into the cockpit? It's certainly WELL within the realm of possibilities.
#605. To: RickyJ, Former Lurker, Christine, Jethro Tull, Itistoolate, Diana, All (#590)
Exactly! Now why do you thing the two phony "crash" sites were prepped at the Pentagon & Pennsylvania? In case the two backup planes were not used - aha! Make sense? No, they had to make sure the planes hit the buildings and on board pilots would not have ensured that at all.
#606. To: SKYDRIFTER (#604)
Turning on a valve by remote control is far from complex. It could easily have been released into the cabin air flow, where EVERYONE on board was out cold or dead.
Not that your scenario isn't without possibility (I won't elaborate), but that's way over the line for "complex," relative to the probability of failure. The perps of 9-11 were too knowledgeable to have needed anything complex, to gain cockpit entry.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#607. To: FormerLurker, Christine, Jethro Tull, All (#606)
In the normal daily procedures of airlines, the canister would have been discovered. Add that the time it would take to install the cannister would require max exposure toward getting caught. What would one use as an antenna for the 'remote control?' From ain airline pilot's position, the planes were flown by pros. Thus, the easy scenario would be to gain cockpit access by whatever means, don the emergency oxygen mask, then depressurize the cabin for a maximum of ten minutes, as the flight continued toward the target. Sure, there are other possibilities, but what is most probable? I hate to pull rank, as a 757/767 airline pilot, but the entire remote control idea is radically more fantasy, than probability. Interesting discussion & debate; but hardly more. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. None of us were there. Turning on a valve by remote control is far from complex. It could easily have been released into the cabin air flow, where EVERYONE on board was out cold or dead.
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