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Title: 9/11 UAL 175 Plane on Radar AFTER It Has 'Crashed' Into The WTC; (MSNBC)
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Published: Mar 16, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-03-16 13:04:41 by Artisan
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#53. To: HOUNDDAWG, Original Intent (#45)
Thanks for the link! bookmarked for later leisure reading today.
Why are you even here on this forum war? Did Goldi give you a timeout for not praising the brave Israeli soldiers as they murdered little kids as much as she liked? Or are you here just to troll for lack of anything better to do?
Are you BeAChooser? Regardless, how do you explain the impossible freefall speed of the towers? The undamaged structure below the impact area would not have behaved like thin air, yet the structures (both towers, AND the relatively undamaged WTC7) fell at free fall speeds as if falling through thin air. What's your scientific explanation (and please don't say "pancaking" as even THAT would not occur at free fall speed). Do you not find the fact that all records and evidence pertaining to the Enron investigation was destroyed in the relatively undamaged WTC7 to be just a tad suspicious? What proof is there that the individuals cited as the 9/11 hijackers actually carried out the attacks, especially when some of them are still alive and have been on TV?
LP got too kooky and racist for him. As a remedy, he obviously felt he should double down and go hang out with the REAL kooks.
I'd rather post on a forum in which there are basically no rules and thus nothing is enforced rather than one that claims to have them and then are selectively enforced. It's really nothing against Goldi. It's her forum and she can exercise or not exercise her editorial discsretion in any manner that she sees fit. I just happen to disagree with it. I like Goldi. And, I still post at LP, btw...just not as much... But as to WHY I am here...I was invited 3 and a half years ago to check this site out. I registered and lurked.
Now THAT was funny. Actually, I enjoy being around those who make no pretense about their beliefs as opposed to those who use innuendo or are coy about it.
Explain this. See how the top of the tower is tilting on an angle? Simple physics would determine that the top of the tower should have toppled over and tumbled, as there is less resistance to the air than there would be to the steel and concrete below it, thus it would have continued it's rotational movement and toppled over. Why did it all of a sudden drop like a rock straight down through the steel and concrete rather than simply topple over as it appears ready to do in the following picture? Good God no... Regardless, how do you explain the impossible freefall speed of the towers? They did not fall at free fall speed. The towers fell because the weigth bearing walls were actually the outside of the building. Once they were compromised as well as the support trusses it becamse an exercise in simple physics. Do you not find the fact that all records and evidence pertaining to the Enron investigation was destroyed in the relatively undamaged WTC7 to be just a tad suspicious? Uh...considering that they were not I don't find it suspicious at all. the relatively undamaged WTC7 WTC 7 was no "realtively undamaged". Almost teh whole of the South Facade was gone and fires raged within it... What proof is there that the individuals cited as the 9/11 hijackers actually carried out the attacks, especially when some of them are still alive and have been on TV? Wha...chuckle...huh? I'll buy the fact that some of the 9/11 hijackers most likely used aliases...BFD...
As you can see it's not dropping stright...your own photo shows the tilt...in the case of 1 it fell into the Deutsche Bank Building and in the case of 2 it fell into 7...
Oh looky here, we have a live shill onboard. I remember you from past 9/11 "discussions". Aren't you McCainRocks over at LP, and used to be HappyFunBalls, amongst a whole bunch of other names?
The top of the tower should have continued it's fall to where it would have flipped to the side and fallen down without going through the rest of the entire tower. Sort of like putting a can on top of a damaged box of cereral and pushing down on one end of the can till it tilts if you want an analogy. The can wouldn't fall through the box, it'd simply slide off the box and fall.
Uh no...it would not "flip"...gravity would take it in the most direct route of its momentum...
I can't believe you guys are still dwelling on that truther nonsense. As with the NAU discussions, that is so last administration. Do you still dwell on the merits of The Brady Bunch vs Happy Days?
How could you have posted at LP and not know the difference between war and BAC? They both posted a lot and about the only agreement they had was that you truthers are about two pancakes short of a stack.
They did not fall at free fall speed They fell in about 10-11 seconds, where free fall through air would have been a little over 9 seconds. So you're wrong. The towers fell because the weigth bearing walls were actually the outside of the building. For one, the steel core bore the majority of the weight. For two, the structure supported itself without falling for quite some time. The weight that the structure supported didn't change due to the fires, nor did it change PERIOD. As far as energy exerted due to the collapse of one floor from the height that the planes impacted, there would be minimal extra load the structure would to have needed to support. So that's bullshit. Once they were compromised as well as the support trusses it becamse an exercise in simple physics. Apparently we studied a different sort of physics. Uh...considering that they were not I don't find it suspicious at all. Where were the Enron SEC filings stored? WTC 7 was no "realtively undamaged". Almost teh whole of the South Facade was gone and fires raged within it... Bullshit. Even if true, WTC7 was internally reinforced. Do you think it was incapable of supporting itself without one of it's exterior walls? How do you think it kept from falling while they were building it? You have so many childish assumptions it's sort of humorous, as you have to used really fractured logic to arrive at your conclusions. Oh and BTW, there were no "raging fires", there was a bit of a diesel fire inside but nothing close to a "raging fire". You think that a structure such as WTC7 would simply collapse like a deck of cards due to a relatively small internal fire a bit of damage to an exterior wall? Geesh. I'll buy the fact that some of the 9/11 hijackers most likely used aliases...BFD... The individuals listed as the hijackers are not said to be using aliases, and are indentified with not only their names but their photos. There are at least several individuals identified as hijackers who are still alive, and ARE the people that are so identified.
You mean like what happens in a controlled demolition? Well, this is different....the plane hit the building (which was specifically designed to withstand the impact of a direct hit by a plane), and the plane had fuel (no matter that the fire was limited to just a couple floors, as opposed to other towers which have also had intense fire but never collapsed)....and because of the intense flames (limited to two floors?)....the structural beams just melted.......and can't you just believe these people already?! : )
Because war shills for the government when it comes to 9/11 and behaves just like BAC on that topic, especially with his use of the word KOOK. I'm just waiting for a ROFL to go along with it...
That was funny.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. It's sort of like Dorothy when she clicks her heels... I bet that's what a lot of folks do, just click their heels and convince themselves that it's all just a bad dream. It's MUCH easier to simply believe the talking heads on TV than to actually think for themselves.
Which is through the path of least resistance, ie. the air.
You forgot that it was Magickal Jet Fuel™ that can change properties at will and burn hotter than the sun. And they only ever made one batch of it and it was all used that day as evidenced by the fact that other skyscrapers have burned longer and fully engulfed since then, yet none of them fell. Not one. And some had burned before that day too and not one of those fell either. Steel skyscrapers just can't handle that Magickal Jet Fuel™.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Do you still beat little puppies?
So true! What I find also so insane...these very people (the media and .gov) they are believing are the very ones they admit have an agenda, do not care about the people, are only in politics for the power and money, are only on the airwaves to spout propaganda...but when it comes to 9/11, these same people (the media and .gov) become virtual truthtellers and outright angels if not saints.
But not the ensuing catastrophic interna; explosion - as per the designer... no matter that the fire was limited to just a couple floors Wha...huh? Were you in the building?
Two Floors My Ass...
LOL...yes, you're absolutely right! Thanks for the reminder. : )
Yes. That's mightily impressive, a fire like that which can bring down a building onto its own feet. Have you see the photos of the other skyscrapers, literally in hell fire throughout, yet those buildings stand? I have.
Hey war I have a question. What are your thoughts on Ron Brown?
You're welcome. We have to remind folks of that because sometimes they forget. And some of them are easily duped and conned by the government and you can try to help them but you might as well talk to a fence post. You will come just as near getting through to it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Uh...no...direct route to earth, Flippy, i.e. straight down once the relatiove motion of the center of gravity becomes perpendicular to the source of the gravity, i.e. the point where the center of gravity stops moving in any direction other than downward. Flunked physiccs didja?
So I've noticed.
The plane stopped and he didn't.
Exactly. There is obviously a huge disconnect happening here, where a person acts contrary to their own words and beliefs...
Uh huh.
And don't think .gov and the media haven't fed on that, too!
Uh, wrong. There was a small matter of concrete and steel between the top of the tower and their earth, where there was NO resistance to the air and the tower was already leaning in a direction where it should have slid off the structure. Since there would have been horizontal friction, the tower should have not slid but continued to fall over as is apparent it started to do. Where'd you learn physics, the gym?
Suqami's passport showed the government's shit alright.
So war, you neglected to tell me how the towers (ALL of them) collapsed at free fall speeds (or took a second or two more than if falling through air). How do you explain the destruction of 100 or so floors of undamaged steel and concrete in a second or two?
Well, you asked war but pinged me too so I will tell you that I believe he was murdered. And so do some of the doctors who examined him.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Ron Brown was about the only topic BAC was honest about. Thought I'd see what war would say if I asked.
A) The fire did not act alone. B) It did not fall into it's own feet. 1 fell into the DB Building* and 2 fell into the south facade of 7. I worked at 1 Liberty Plaza on 9/11 and did diasster recovery work that necessitated me going into the building a week or so later. You could clearly see that the towers fell over as well as down. Windows in about 20 floors of the western facade of 1 Liberty were gone... Piece of WTC 1 in DB building... YO can see parts of 2 on 7's footprint as well as the damage to 1 Liberty.
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#54. To: war (#10)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#55. To: war (#24)
One of the "facts" that you kooks
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#56. To: FormerLurker (#54)
#57. To: FormerLurker (#54)
Why are you even here on this forum war?
#58. To: longnose gar (#56)
#59. To: war (#17)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#60. To: FormerLurker (#55)
Are you BeAChooser?
#61. To: FormerLurker (#59)
#62. To: longnose gar (#56)
longnose gar
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#63. To: war (#61)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#64. To: FormerLurker (#63)
The top of the tower should have continued it's fall to where it would have flipped to the side and fallen down without going through the rest of the entire tower.
#65. To: FormerLurker (#62)
#66. To: FormerLurker, war (#55)
#67. To: war (#60)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#68. To: FormerLurker (#59)
Why did it all of a sudden drop like a rock straight down through the steel and concrete rather than simply topple over as it appears ready to do in the following picture?
#69. To: longnose gar, war (#66)
How could you have posted at LP and not know the difference between war and BAC?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#70. To: FormerLurker (#55)
Are you BeAChooser?
Lord Acton
#71. To: litus (#68)
can't you just believe these people already?!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#72. To: war (#64)
Uh no...it would not "flip"...gravity would take it in the most direct route of its momentum...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#73. To: litus (#68)
Lord Acton
#74. To: longnose gar (#65)
Do you still dwell on the merits of The Brady Bunch vs Happy Days?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#75. To: FormerLurker (#71)
It's MUCH easier to simply believe the talking heads on TV than to actually think for themselves.
#76. To: litus (#68)
Well, this is different....the plane hit the building (which was specifically designed to withstand the impact of a direct hit by a plane
#77. To: litus (#68)
#78. To: James Deffenbach (#73)
You forgot that it was Magickal Jet Fuel™ that can change properties at will and burn hotter than the sun. And they only ever made one batch of it and it was all used that day as evidenced by the fact that other skyscrapers have burned longer and fully engulfed since then, yet none of them fell. Not one. And some had burned before that day too and not one of those fell either. Steel skyscrapers just can't handle that Magickal Jet Fuel™.
#79. To: war (#77)
#80. To: war, James Deffenbach (#70)
That was funny.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#81. To: litus (#78)
LOL...yes, you're absolutely right! Thanks for the reminder. : )
Lord Acton
#82. To: FormerLurker (#72)
Which is through the path of least resistance, ie. the air.
#83. To: James Deffenbach (#81)
some of them are easily duped and conned by the government and you can try to help them but you might as well talk to a fence post. You will come just as near getting through to it.
#84. To: FormerLurker (#80)
What are your thoughts on Ron Brown?
#85. To: litus (#75)
What I find also so insane...these very people (the media and .gov) they are believing are the very ones they admit have an agenda, do not care about the people, are only in politics for the power and money, are only on the airwaves to spout propaganda...but when it comes to 9/11, these same people (the media and .gov) become virtual truthtellers and outright angels if not saints.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#86. To: war (#84)
The plane stopped and he didn't.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#87. To: FormerLurker (#85)
There is obviously a huge disconnect happening here
#88. To: war (#82)
Uh...no...direct route to earth, Flippy,
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#89. To: war (#11)
The government's shit is mosty likely the closest to what happened.
#90. To: war (#82)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#91. To: FormerLurker (#80)
Hey war I have a question. What are your thoughts on Ron Brown?
Lord Acton
#92. To: James Deffenbach (#91)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#93. To: litus (#79)
Yes. That's mightily impressive, a fire like that which can bring down a building onto its own feet.
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