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Title: 9/11 UAL 175 Plane on Radar AFTER It Has 'Crashed' Into The WTC; (MSNBC)
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Published: Mar 16, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-03-16 13:04:41 by Artisan
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#66. To: FormerLurker, war (#55)
How could you have posted at LP and not know the difference between war and BAC? They both posted a lot and about the only agreement they had was that you truthers are about two pancakes short of a stack.
They did not fall at free fall speed They fell in about 10-11 seconds, where free fall through air would have been a little over 9 seconds. So you're wrong. The towers fell because the weigth bearing walls were actually the outside of the building. For one, the steel core bore the majority of the weight. For two, the structure supported itself without falling for quite some time. The weight that the structure supported didn't change due to the fires, nor did it change PERIOD. As far as energy exerted due to the collapse of one floor from the height that the planes impacted, there would be minimal extra load the structure would to have needed to support. So that's bullshit. Once they were compromised as well as the support trusses it becamse an exercise in simple physics. Apparently we studied a different sort of physics. Uh...considering that they were not I don't find it suspicious at all. Where were the Enron SEC filings stored? WTC 7 was no "realtively undamaged". Almost teh whole of the South Facade was gone and fires raged within it... Bullshit. Even if true, WTC7 was internally reinforced. Do you think it was incapable of supporting itself without one of it's exterior walls? How do you think it kept from falling while they were building it? You have so many childish assumptions it's sort of humorous, as you have to used really fractured logic to arrive at your conclusions. Oh and BTW, there were no "raging fires", there was a bit of a diesel fire inside but nothing close to a "raging fire". You think that a structure such as WTC7 would simply collapse like a deck of cards due to a relatively small internal fire a bit of damage to an exterior wall? Geesh. I'll buy the fact that some of the 9/11 hijackers most likely used aliases...BFD... The individuals listed as the hijackers are not said to be using aliases, and are indentified with not only their names but their photos. There are at least several individuals identified as hijackers who are still alive, and ARE the people that are so identified.
You mean like what happens in a controlled demolition? Well, this is different....the plane hit the building (which was specifically designed to withstand the impact of a direct hit by a plane), and the plane had fuel (no matter that the fire was limited to just a couple floors, as opposed to other towers which have also had intense fire but never collapsed)....and because of the intense flames (limited to two floors?)....the structural beams just melted.......and can't you just believe these people already?! : )
Because war shills for the government when it comes to 9/11 and behaves just like BAC on that topic, especially with his use of the word KOOK. I'm just waiting for a ROFL to go along with it...
That was funny.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. It's sort of like Dorothy when she clicks her heels... I bet that's what a lot of folks do, just click their heels and convince themselves that it's all just a bad dream. It's MUCH easier to simply believe the talking heads on TV than to actually think for themselves.
Which is through the path of least resistance, ie. the air.
You forgot that it was Magickal Jet Fuel™ that can change properties at will and burn hotter than the sun. And they only ever made one batch of it and it was all used that day as evidenced by the fact that other skyscrapers have burned longer and fully engulfed since then, yet none of them fell. Not one. And some had burned before that day too and not one of those fell either. Steel skyscrapers just can't handle that Magickal Jet Fuel™.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Do you still beat little puppies?
So true! What I find also so insane...these very people (the media and .gov) they are believing are the very ones they admit have an agenda, do not care about the people, are only in politics for the power and money, are only on the airwaves to spout propaganda...but when it comes to 9/11, these same people (the media and .gov) become virtual truthtellers and outright angels if not saints.
But not the ensuing catastrophic interna; explosion - as per the designer... no matter that the fire was limited to just a couple floors Wha...huh? Were you in the building?
Two Floors My Ass...
LOL...yes, you're absolutely right! Thanks for the reminder. : )
Yes. That's mightily impressive, a fire like that which can bring down a building onto its own feet. Have you see the photos of the other skyscrapers, literally in hell fire throughout, yet those buildings stand? I have.
Hey war I have a question. What are your thoughts on Ron Brown?
You're welcome. We have to remind folks of that because sometimes they forget. And some of them are easily duped and conned by the government and you can try to help them but you might as well talk to a fence post. You will come just as near getting through to it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Uh...no...direct route to earth, Flippy, i.e. straight down once the relatiove motion of the center of gravity becomes perpendicular to the source of the gravity, i.e. the point where the center of gravity stops moving in any direction other than downward. Flunked physiccs didja?
So I've noticed.
The plane stopped and he didn't.
Exactly. There is obviously a huge disconnect happening here, where a person acts contrary to their own words and beliefs...
Uh huh.
And don't think .gov and the media haven't fed on that, too!
Uh, wrong. There was a small matter of concrete and steel between the top of the tower and their earth, where there was NO resistance to the air and the tower was already leaning in a direction where it should have slid off the structure. Since there would have been horizontal friction, the tower should have not slid but continued to fall over as is apparent it started to do. Where'd you learn physics, the gym?
Suqami's passport showed the government's shit alright.
So war, you neglected to tell me how the towers (ALL of them) collapsed at free fall speeds (or took a second or two more than if falling through air). How do you explain the destruction of 100 or so floors of undamaged steel and concrete in a second or two?
Well, you asked war but pinged me too so I will tell you that I believe he was murdered. And so do some of the doctors who examined him.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Ron Brown was about the only topic BAC was honest about. Thought I'd see what war would say if I asked.
A) The fire did not act alone. B) It did not fall into it's own feet. 1 fell into the DB Building* and 2 fell into the south facade of 7. I worked at 1 Liberty Plaza on 9/11 and did diasster recovery work that necessitated me going into the building a week or so later. You could clearly see that the towers fell over as well as down. Windows in about 20 floors of the western facade of 1 Liberty were gone... Piece of WTC 1 in DB building... YO can see parts of 2 on 7's footprint as well as the damage to 1 Liberty.
I believe BAC's theory was that if he couldn't dazzle you with his brilliance he would baffle you with bs. His novel-length posts turned most people off of anything he had to say.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That would be NO...none of the doctors who examined him belived that he was murdered and if you pressed BeASpammer on this he would admit it.
Apparently you're either unaware or lying about the fact that the doctors who performed the autopsy found .45 caliber bullet holes in his head, and were quickly transfered to parts unknown and the autopsy x-rays were just as quickly "lost".
The top of the tower did topple over as you've been shown...the rest of the tower collapsed downward due to the total compromise of the outside bearing walls and inside supports...
It fell straight down war, you can't deny that fact. So yes, it fell into it's own footprint, but sure there will be debris in the immediate area. What did you expect it to do, drill a whole for itself into the ground and fall into it?
Wrong. Split seconds after that photo I posted was taken, the top of the tower fell straight DOWNWARDS and disintegrated into dust. That'd only be possible if there were DEMOLITIONS happening immediately below it AND WITHIN it.
By Christopher Ruddy FOR THE TRIBUNE-REVIEW December 3, 1997 A circular hole in the skull of Commerce Secretary Ron Brown could have been a gunshot wound and certainly should have prompted an autopsy, according to an Air Force lieutenant colonel and forensic pathologist who investigated the jet crash in which Brown died. "Even if you safely assumed accidental plane crash, when you got something that appears to be a homicide, that should bring everything to a screeching halt," Lt. Col. Steve Cogswell, a doctor and deputy medical examiner with the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, told the Tribune-Review. In several interviews, Cogswell repeatedly referred to the wound as "an apparent gunshot wound." However, he also said, "Whether it's a bullet or something else, we don't know." On April 3, 1996, an Air Force jet carrying Brown and 34 others, including 14 business executives on a trade mission to Croatia, crashed into a mountainside. The Air Force, in a 22-volume report issued in June of 1996, confirmed its initial judgment that the crash resulted from pilot errors and faulty navigation equipment. Cogswell, who has approximately 12 years' experience as a forensic pathologist, contends evidence that Ron Brown might have been murdered was ignored. He said the main evidence of possible homicide was a hole found on the vertex, the very top of the skull. "Essentially ... Brown had a .45-inch inwardly beveling circular hole in the top of his head, which is essentially the description of a .45-caliber gunshot wound," Cogswell added....
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Despite all the photo evidence that I just provided you to the contrary? Did the conspirators come in with a huge crain when noone was looking and put that piece of WTC 1 into the DB Building and take that huge assed scoop out of it as well?
Had Brown been shot in the head there wouldn;t be just one little hole...especially if it was a .45.
Gonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng! Wrong answer Private! The primary load bearing structure of the WTC Towers were the central support columns (37 of them) composed of 4 FOOT THICK Structural Steel. The floors were hung off of this massive reinforced central column. The perimeter structure existed only as wind break, stabilization, to hold up the outside edge of the floors, and the outside walls. THEY WERE NOT the primary support of the buildings. Failure of the outside structure would not have caused the floors to "pancake" as they were the secondary NOT PRIMARY support of the structures. To say that they were is simply a disinformation line which has been repeated ad nauseam and is accepted ONLY by those naive enough, or well paid enough, to accept the Official Fairy Tale. And of course you refuse to follow that to the logical conclusion. We do not really know WHO the "hijackers" were, nor even if there were as represented in the Official Fairy Tale.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
IT'S CALLED GRAVITY MORON. The top of the tower fell from a STANDING STATE. Once the center of gravity squared to the force of gravity it had no choice but to fall straight down. That does not mean that it suddenly uprighted itself. Geezus you are so fucking stupid it aches. Quick: Protest that I engage in name calling while you call me a Government promoting shill of Moussad...
October 25, 2001, the remains of the fuselage from UAL 175 on the roof of WTC 5: Where are the passengers and flight crew? DEAD and smashed to smithereens. I just can't buy into the missing plane/passenger conspiracies.
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#67. To: war (#60)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#68. To: FormerLurker (#59)
Why did it all of a sudden drop like a rock straight down through the steel and concrete rather than simply topple over as it appears ready to do in the following picture?
#69. To: longnose gar, war (#66)
How could you have posted at LP and not know the difference between war and BAC?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#70. To: FormerLurker (#55)
Are you BeAChooser?
Lord Acton
#71. To: litus (#68)
can't you just believe these people already?!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#72. To: war (#64)
Uh no...it would not "flip"...gravity would take it in the most direct route of its momentum...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#73. To: litus (#68)
Lord Acton
#74. To: longnose gar (#65)
Do you still dwell on the merits of The Brady Bunch vs Happy Days?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#75. To: FormerLurker (#71)
It's MUCH easier to simply believe the talking heads on TV than to actually think for themselves.
#76. To: litus (#68)
Well, this is different....the plane hit the building (which was specifically designed to withstand the impact of a direct hit by a plane
#77. To: litus (#68)
#78. To: James Deffenbach (#73)
You forgot that it was Magickal Jet Fuel™ that can change properties at will and burn hotter than the sun. And they only ever made one batch of it and it was all used that day as evidenced by the fact that other skyscrapers have burned longer and fully engulfed since then, yet none of them fell. Not one. And some had burned before that day too and not one of those fell either. Steel skyscrapers just can't handle that Magickal Jet Fuel™.
#79. To: war (#77)
#80. To: war, James Deffenbach (#70)
That was funny.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#81. To: litus (#78)
LOL...yes, you're absolutely right! Thanks for the reminder. : )
Lord Acton
#82. To: FormerLurker (#72)
Which is through the path of least resistance, ie. the air.
#83. To: James Deffenbach (#81)
some of them are easily duped and conned by the government and you can try to help them but you might as well talk to a fence post. You will come just as near getting through to it.
#84. To: FormerLurker (#80)
What are your thoughts on Ron Brown?
#85. To: litus (#75)
What I find also so insane...these very people (the media and .gov) they are believing are the very ones they admit have an agenda, do not care about the people, are only in politics for the power and money, are only on the airwaves to spout propaganda...but when it comes to 9/11, these same people (the media and .gov) become virtual truthtellers and outright angels if not saints.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#86. To: war (#84)
The plane stopped and he didn't.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#87. To: FormerLurker (#85)
There is obviously a huge disconnect happening here
#88. To: war (#82)
Uh...no...direct route to earth, Flippy,
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#89. To: war (#11)
The government's shit is mosty likely the closest to what happened.
#90. To: war (#82)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#91. To: FormerLurker (#80)
Hey war I have a question. What are your thoughts on Ron Brown?
Lord Acton
#92. To: James Deffenbach (#91)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#93. To: litus (#79)
Yes. That's mightily impressive, a fire like that which can bring down a building onto its own feet.
#94. To: FormerLurker (#92)
Lord Acton
#95. To: James Deffenbach (#91)
Well, you asked war but pinged me too so I will tell you that I believe he was murdered. And so do some of the doctors who examined him.
#96. To: war (#95)
That would be NO...none of the doctors who examined him belived that he was murdered
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#97. To: FormerLurker (#88)
Since there would have been horizontal friction, the tower should have not slid but continued to fall over as is apparent it started to do.
#98. To: war (#93)
YO can see parts of 2 on 7's footprint as well as the damage to 1 Liberty.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#99. To: war (#97)
The top of the tower did topple over as you've been shown...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#100. To: FormerLurker (#92)
Lord Acton
#101. To: FormerLurker (#98)
It fell straight down war,
#102. To: James Deffenbach (#100)
#103. To: war, FormerLurker, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, all (#60)
They did not fall at free fall speed. The towers fell because the weigth bearing walls were actually the outside of the building. Once they were compromised as well as the support trusses it becamse an exercise in simple physics.
I'll buy the fact that some of the 9/11 hijackers most likely used aliases...BFD...
#104. To: FormerLurker (#99)
Wrong. Split seconds after that photo I posted was taken, the top of the tower fell straight DOWNWARDS
#105. To: Artisan, All (#0)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
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