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Title: 9/11 UAL 175 Plane on Radar AFTER It Has 'Crashed' Into The WTC; (MSNBC)
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Published: Mar 16, 2009
Author: msnbc
Post Date: 2009-03-16 13:04:41 by Artisan
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youtube link

http://conspiracyrealitytv.com/911-ual-175-plane-on-radar-after-it-has-crashed-into-the-wtc/

Kudos to SEATNINEB for this. Check forum here at: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=14399

FAA radar is tracking, in real time, flight 175 after it has supposedly crashed into the WTC. This is perhaps an hour later. Although many people do not believe an aircraft hit the Pentagon or crashed in Shanksville, they still cannot accept that no plane hit the WTC. Perhaps this may help.

3 IFR aircraft in the air in a 30 mile radius of New york city is consistent with one hour of diversions and forced landings.

One hour before you would expect a very large multiple of 3 aircraft to be in the air. NY has several incredibly busy airports.Check anytime on FLIGHT AWARE and count the aircraft within a 30 mile radius of NY. There should be 60 to 100


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#1. To: All, IndieTX, honway, skydrifter (#0)

what do you think of this?

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-03-16   13:10:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#0)

I don't know how that 47; got in the title, it should say WTC.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-03-16   13:12:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Artisan (#0)

any debunkers?

Oh, they'll be out in force. It might take them a day or two, but for every new revelation shining light on the 911 Inside Job they have a spin very quickly. Either they will attack the film as altered or they'll have some other spin such as the Radar was incompetent.

They won't hold water but for the Sheeple who don't want to look at reality they will grasp at any spin straw to avoid looking. They want the "Nightly Nooze" to tell them what they think.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-16   13:13:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent (#3)

if the identifying radar system is in real time as he claimed then it is pretty damning evidence of remote controlled drone planes. I don't know antyhing about such systems which is why i pinged the pilots. Anyway, we all know the truth but to what end ? There is more than enough evidence but most politicians, clergy, academics and influence peddlers won't look at or acknowledge any of this. And time has gone on and it's almost 10 8 yrs past.

Anyway, it's fun to expose their lies. people do know, in general, but what comes of it? we shall watch.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-03-16   13:21:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Artisan (#4)

What it accomplishes is forcing them to utilize resources to keep the lid on. Resources that then cannot be used to further their programs of subjugation. The lamestream media has lost mega-credibility because of 911, Waco, and OKC. Thus they have lost some control via media. That is why they needed an Oh'bummer at this time - because people are waking up. They just have not yet woken up to the reality that their lives and that of those they love hang in the balance. That reality is just not real to them. They do not want to look - the enormity of the programs and the extent of the evil requires a strong mind to look at. Some of the details are so vile and so repugnant to the sane mind that it is literally stomach turning. It scares them too much, but refusing to look assures that they will be murdered and the survivors, if any, enslaved. Continuing to push the truth exposes the lies and forces people to look at reality. Of course many people still will not look but the more it is out there the more it is pushed the more people it forces off of their fence trying to deny reality.

Just like the users of SSRI's do not want to look at the mountain of evidence as to just how bad they are. As well the dumbed down "I beeeeeeeeeelieve" the goobermunt do not want to believe the government could be so foul as to push these drugs with all of these foul side affects. They are so mind controlled by the media and the TV PROGRAMMING they watch that they cannot reconcile the conflict in their "mind".

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-16   13:41:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Artisan (#4)

I'm confused, "tracked on RADAR" 1 hr after it hit the WTC?

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-03-16   13:58:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Itistoolate (#6)

I'm confused

Only if you believe this shit are you...

war  posted on  2009-03-16   14:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: war (#7)

Only if you believe this shit

The shit in the video or the Gov't shit?

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-03-16   14:10:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Itistoolate, war, Lacumo, Rotara, Cynicom, TwentyTwelve, christine, all (#8)

At this point "war" and "Lacumo" are pretty much ID'ed as government shills. So, of course "war" will support the Official Party Lyin'.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-16   14:45:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Original_Intent (#9)

Feel free to wax eloquently about what a moron you are...believe me...it's entertaining...

war  posted on  2009-03-16   14:47:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Itistoolate (#8)

The government's shit is mosty likely the closest to what happened. If anything got covered up it's how little attention the Boosh's were paying when it went down...

war  posted on  2009-03-16   14:48:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: war (#10)

Glad to oblige.

Who do you work for?

FBI CoIntelPro?

CIA?

ADL/Mossad?

?????

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-16   14:50:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Original_Intent (#12)

Who do you work for?

Tradition Asiel Securities, Inc.

war  posted on  2009-03-16   14:51:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: war (#11)

Thank you for proving my prediction correct.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-16   14:52:19 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Original_Intent (#12)

PopQuiz: WhHen NYFD pulls a building, i.e., orders a builkding "pulled" what does it mean?

war  posted on  2009-03-16   14:52:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: war (#15)

Sorry, not walking into you pathetic attempt at setting up a trap and diversion.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-16   14:54:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent (#14)

Thank you for proving my prediction correct.

Your prediction was akin to predicting that if you pulled your pants down and tried to blow yourself in Times Square people would look.

PS: Claiming that "WE BRUNG DOWN THE TOWERS!!!!" is the same thing as self- felating in Times Square.

war  posted on  2009-03-16   14:54:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent (#16)

Sorry, not walking into you pathetic attempt at setting up a trap and diversion.

ROFLMAO...

Translated: YOU SHALL NOT QUESTION MY STUPIDITY.

war  posted on  2009-03-16   14:55:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Original_Intent (#12)

Glad to oblige.

Who do you work for?

FBI CoIntelPro?

CIA?

ADL/Mossad?

?????

A good bet - that shill works for the pervert bass turd Traitor morris. SPLC


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-03-16   14:55:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Artisan. anyone here (#0)

I would ask, "Where are all the 'war games' blips that were confusing the FAA controllers?"

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-03-16   14:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: war (#17)

Try Phishing somewhere else. No takers here.

Twenty Five Ways to Suppress The Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

Example: 'You believe what you read in the Spotlight? The Publisher, Willis DeCarto, is a well-known right-wing racist. I guess we know your politics -- does your Bible have a swastika on it? That certainly explains why you support this wild-eyed, right-wing conspiracy theory.'

Proper response: 'You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. Your imply guilt by association and attack truth on the basis of the messenger. The Spotlight is well known Populist media source responsible for releasing facts and stories well before mainstream media will discuss the issues through their veil of silence. Willis DeCarto has successfully handled lawsuits regarding slanderous statements such as yours. Your undemonstrated charges against the messenger have nothing to do with the facts or the issues, and fly in the face of reason. Why do you refuse to address the issues by use of such disinformation tactics (rule 5 - sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule)?'

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-16   15:03:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: war (#17)

Thank you for proving my prediction correct.

Your prediction was akin to predicting that if you pulled your pants down and tried to blow yourself in Times Square people would look.

Actually my prediction was more along the order of "if I step out into a rain shower that I would get wet.

Play Again?

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-16   15:05:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Original_Intent (#22)

Actually my prediction was more along the order of "if I step out into a rain shower that I would get wet.

The difference being what? In BOTH cases you failed to cover yourself...

Why do YOU believe thatthe Towers fell?

war  posted on  2009-03-16   15:12:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent (#21)

Blah Blah Blah...

One of the "facts" that you kooks try to morph into misinformation is the one on which FDNY pulled its personnel from 7. Youl idiots claim it means that they blew up the building...

war  posted on  2009-03-16   15:14:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: war (#23)

Why do YOU believe thatthe Towers fell?

.


"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all

wudidiz  posted on  2009-03-16   15:20:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: war (#24)

Blah Blah Blah...

Here, chew on this:

"It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?

A: Yes, by his own admission.

Q: What passport did he travel under?

A: There are only three possibilities. 1. He traveled with a U.S. passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesian passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. passport in 1981?

A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981. (Oh My God!!! Quick come up with a smarmy reply for this! It's too damaging to let stand without some immediate name calling and hysterics!)

Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008. Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

Is he a “natural born” citizen, or isn’t he? It seems pretty clear from the available evidence that he is not. If that proves to be the case he should minimize the damage to the country and follow the Nixon example; he should simply resign from office so that we can begin to clean up the mess he leaves behind."

And, you reply is.....

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HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-03-16   15:46:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: HOUNDDAWG (#26)

A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.

WRONG!!!

That corrected...big fucking deal...Pakistan did not forbid US citizens to travel to it. Up until a few years ago, you could fly to Canada and then to Havana and be admitted ON A US PASSPORT...

Thge propblem with you people is that you're stupid. You don't think things through with any objective sense and so it makes it easy for people to lie to you.

war  posted on  2009-03-16   15:53:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: war (#27)

How 911 was Done
how911wasdone.blogspot.com/

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-03-16   16:11:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: wudidiz (#25)

Thats a great vid!

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-03-16   16:15:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Artisan (#1)

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=101561

Information in the thread linked above may be useful.

Flight Explorer is a virtual display of information from a number of sources, including radar. However, it is not the same as a primary radar display.

Regardless, this is an important find worthy of closer examination.

Great post.

honway  posted on  2009-03-16   16:17:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: war, HOUNDDAWG, PSUSA, Original_Intent (#27)

Thge propblem with you people is that you're stupid. You don't think things through with any objective sense and so it makes it easy for people to lie to you.

Oh, the irony.

Btw, you spelt stoopid wrong.


"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all

wudidiz  posted on  2009-03-16   18:17:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Artisan (#0)

If the plane is still in the air is it hovering?

war  posted on  2009-03-16   21:52:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: war (#27) (Edited)

A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.

WRONG!!!

Corrected?

Funny.

You mean Obama showed you the US passport he used when he was 20 years old?

It's a shame he won't show it to anyone else.

Corrected indeed.

If he has nothing to hide then why is he hiding it?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-03-17   0:26:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: HOUNDDAWG (#33)

If he has nothing to hide then why is he hiding it?

bump

litus  posted on  2009-03-17   0:36:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: litus (#34)

And, how about this?

"Linda Starr Posts New Information Jump to Comments

Posted Jan 19 from Obamacrimes:

how many of you picked up on what Phil said on tonight’s radio show about the FOIA confirming Barry never had an American passport under the name of Barack Obama until his diplomatic passport issued as a US Senator? Do you understand and comprehend the enormity of that announcement? Do you all realize what it means? I can tell you now that is one part of several pieces of good news we had the other day that I hinted at and could not reveal. That information confirms Barry had to renew an Indonesian passport to go to Pakistan in 81. That means Barry swore an Oath of Allegiance to Indonesia and had to renounce all other allegiances to get that passport. This is independent confirmation of information we’ve had and from OUR OWN State Department, Barry couldn’t go to Pakistan on an American passport if he didn’t have one.

There are so many amazing pieces of good news coming in. I wish I could tell you all about it. I will say this, I am skeptical of the announcement Barry will be served with papers to block his swearing in tomorrow, but it’s not inconceivable in light of other information I have heard today. Again, I have no way to verify anything except that which we have obtained certified documents.

Despite the media's worst efforts to suppress this, if Barry wants to be reelected he'll have to produce something.

Of course all of his diehard blow jobbers will disappear by then the way those who used to support Nixon (and Clinton and Bush) now have....

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-03-17   0:50:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: HOUNDDAWG (#35)

FOIA confirming Barry never had an American passport under the name of Barack Obama until his diplomatic passport issued as a US Senator?

This will get buried....

litus  posted on  2009-03-17   1:03:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: litus (#36)

FOIA confirming Barry never had an American passport under the name of Barack Obama until his diplomatic passport issued as a US Senator?

This will get buried....

Perhaps.

But, I have a feeling that he ain't gonna pull this off.

If anything, he'll forever serve as the textbook example of "just how sneaky them Muslims can be...."

Obama will do for Muslims what Julius and Ethyl did for Jews.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-03-17   1:10:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: HOUNDDAWG (#37)

If anything, he'll forever serve as the textbook example of "just how sneaky them Muslims can be...."

Obama will do for Muslims what Julius and Ethyl did for Jews.

I would like for that to be the case, but I'm not so optimistic.

We shall see.

litus  posted on  2009-03-17   1:14:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Artisan (#0)

they still cannot accept that no plane hit the WTC

This is absurd. Of course two planes hit the WTC towers. They weren't the planes we were told they were, but two planes hit them. Anyone saying no planes hit the WTC towers is putting out disinfo to discredit the 9/11 truth movement.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-17   1:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: litus (#38)

I would like for that to be the case, but I'm not so optimistic.

We shall see.

Well, after Clinton/Gore slipped the noose for selling America to the Chinese, I suppose I have no reason to be optimistic.

(Not to mention Mega's unfettered access to everything in The White House)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-03-17   1:37:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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