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Title: 9/11 UAL 175 Plane on Radar AFTER It Has 'Crashed' Into The WTC; (MSNBC)
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Published: Mar 16, 2009
Author: msnbc
Post Date: 2009-03-16 13:04:41 by Artisan
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Views: 12627
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youtube link

http://conspiracyrealitytv.com/911-ual-175-plane-on-radar-after-it-has-crashed-into-the-wtc/

Kudos to SEATNINEB for this. Check forum here at: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=14399

FAA radar is tracking, in real time, flight 175 after it has supposedly crashed into the WTC. This is perhaps an hour later. Although many people do not believe an aircraft hit the Pentagon or crashed in Shanksville, they still cannot accept that no plane hit the WTC. Perhaps this may help.

3 IFR aircraft in the air in a 30 mile radius of New york city is consistent with one hour of diversions and forced landings.

One hour before you would expect a very large multiple of 3 aircraft to be in the air. NY has several incredibly busy airports.Check anytime on FLIGHT AWARE and count the aircraft within a 30 mile radius of NY. There should be 60 to 100


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#526. To: war (#524)

Give it up...

Give what up?

The truth?

I think not.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-21   19:33:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#527. To: IndieTX (#523)

The next time you see some website advertising a "new continental congress" or some such crap asking you to join, rest assured it is a CIA name gathering tool.

Unfortunately I think the Campaign for Liberty that Ron Paul started is one as well.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-21   19:38:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#528. To: war (#496)

Starkly missing from this thread is EXACTLY how this "plot" was executed.

Do you need to know how JFK was killed to know that he was killed?

It does not matter how it was done. The fact that it was done is clear for all rational thinkers.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-21   19:47:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#529. To: litus (#491)

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...?ArtNum=53208&Disp=12#C12

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2009-03-21   20:43:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#530. To: Artisan, Christine, Jethro Tull, It istoolate, All (#498)

so you are saying that you believe that there had to be real pilots flying the planes but that they were not arab boogeyman? who the heck were they then? some neocons with a zeal for empire? i dont know if that sounds plausible??

There are a handful of viable possibilities available. If the aircraft was "remote controlled," the pilots would have the ability to either override the electronics, or at least radio that they were in dire peril, via radio, or the transponder. That pretty well rules out the "remote control" idea. It can be debated all day long, but those such as myself are qualified to cite the impossible and absurd. I keep an open mind, but there hasn't been that much viable material to speak in support of the detractor theories. Passionate nonsense & rationalization doesn't manufacture truth.

One possibility is the hand-picking of at least four black-ops pilots, willing to commit suicide. We'll probably never know.

The most important issue is that the 'official' story is so full of holes, that it looks like a chotic gause bandage. Add the massive coverup by the government agencies, aided by the robotic media.

Only Israelis were warned of 9-11, the London & Jordianian bombings. As Netanyahu said - before 'correcting' himself, "911 is very good for Israel." Being reasonable & realistic; what can anyone make of all that?

Add the Mossad "Dancing Art Students," set up to film the twin tower strikes.

Has anyone else noticed that our great "Ally" Israel never contributed as much as a troop of Boy Scouts to serve coffee in the Afghan & Iraq war crime invasions/occupations. (They don't have to!)

AND - after being the primary beneficiary of the Geneva Conventions, why is Israel not a signatory to those Conventions? By virtue of their membership in the UN, they are technically a signatory to the Geneva Conventions & Nuremberg Precedents - but tell that to the Gazzans.

We live in a time where we must subjectively establish a highly reasonable possibility. Sometimes that comes from presented facts; sometimes from presented information, which can't possibly be true.

My advice on 9-11 is to get a copy of Dr. Ray Griffin's "The New Pearl Harbor Revisited." He does quite an academic and surgical analysis of the 911 'official' accounts. I admit, I'm prejudiced on that work. I disagree with him on his conclusion that Flight 93 was shot down, but that's the only criticism I have of the book.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2009-03-21   21:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#531. To: RickyJ (#528)

Do you need to know how JFK was killed to know that he was killed?

JFK was killed by several bullets but the headshot was probably the only one needed.

war  posted on  2009-03-21   22:34:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#532. To: war (#495)

You could have blasted the ahit out of the core and the floors STILL would have had to have pancaked downward.

If the floors 'pancaked', then why was there no stack of floors at the bottom?

'Pancaked' Hahahaha


"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz  posted on  2009-03-22   0:20:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#533. To: SKYDRIFTER (#530)

Hi Sky - Glad to hear from you.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2009-03-22   0:22:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#534. To: SKYDRIFTER (#530)

If the aircraft was "remote controlled," the pilots would have the ability to either override the electronics, or at least radio that they were in dire peril, via radio, or the transponder. That pretty well rules out the "remote control" idea.

How precisely can you make that claim? Do you know for a fact the systems weren't tampered with? How could you possibly say that with any semblence of certainty?

One possibility is the hand-picking of at least four black-ops pilots, willing to commit suicide.

That's a MUCH further stretch than the possibility of a hostile takeover of the flight systems by remote control.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-22   1:11:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#535. To: war (#525)

9/11 UAL 175 Plane on Radar AFTER It Has 'Crashed' Into The WTC; (MSNBC) (#479) [Full Thread] Post Date: 2009-03-21 00:22:14 From: litus To: war

War thinks the WTC towers were not steel framed. I kid you not! (#24) [Full Thread] Post Date: 2009-03-20 13:03:35 From: litus To: war

~snip~

You dare to claim the above post is "snipped" as something I ever stated? Furthermore, you claim that what you quoted was from my post #24?

You are a liar.

What I stated in Post #24 contained the following, in full:

#24. To: war (#21)

[QUOTE] Gravity did...[ENDQUOTE]

Magical fuel and magical gravity....all on one day with three towers...beyond fantastical that they all fell onto their own footprint.

lol!

litus posted on 2009-03-20 13:03:35 ET

So, not only have you lied again, now you falsely attribute statements I never made....to me.

litus  posted on  2009-03-22   1:16:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#536. To: Kamala (#529)

The NIST finding requires that the floor end connections held and that the sagging floors remained connected to the columns.

This is directly opposite of the speculation of FEMA

Thanks much for the link to that...I will read it through tomorrow when my brain is fresh. Interesting above quote...FEMA "speculation"...ain't that a dandy one?!

litus  posted on  2009-03-22   1:33:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#537. To: litus (#535)

Tell me that you didn't just respond to me by saying: "Liar!!! I never posted that post about WTC on that other thread that I claimed I did not post but that both you and I have posted again here!!!!"

war  posted on  2009-03-22   8:31:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#538. To: tom007 (#533)

If the floors 'pancaked', then why was there no stack of floors at the bottom?

Because they were made of cement ond the force of the impact obliderated them. What do you ***think*** a good part of that "dust" was?

That said, when the Towers collapsed, the debris was up to 14 stories tall.

war  posted on  2009-03-22   8:36:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#539. To: war (#538)

What do you ***think*** a good part of that "dust" was?

??? Non Sequiter.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2009-03-22   9:50:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#540. To: tom007 (#539)

Non Sequiter

What you **think** that phrase means, it doesn't.

war  posted on  2009-03-22   13:03:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#541. To: war (#540)

What you **think** that phrase means, it doesn't.

War.

You somehow posted to me in error.

And how you presume to know what I think.... Shows a lot of arrogance.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2009-03-22   19:43:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#542. To: tom007 (#541)

You somehow posted to me in error.

Nope. It traced back to you. You misused "non sequiter" [sic - which means you misspelled it too]. I HAVE the facts.

war  posted on  2009-03-22   19:47:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#543. To: war, wudidiz (#532)

If the floors 'pancaked', then why was there no stack of floors at the bottom?

'Pancaked' Hahahaha

Did you read that war?

wudidiz is right. If they pancaked then they would all be stacked up at the bottom.

They didn't pancake at all, they exploded mid-air like the rest of the building did.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-22   20:04:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#544. To: war (#542) (Edited)

Nope. It traced back to you

Nope you didn't, not correctly.

Yes I misspelled the Latin.

And to be clear, I have no problem with you arguing about 9-11, the more honest info the better.

I just had no connection with the "pancake" stuff, and don't know why I was pinged.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2009-03-22   20:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#545. To: war, tom007 (#538)

>> If the floors 'pancaked', then why was there no stack of floors at the bottom?

Because they were made of cement ond (sic) the force of the impact obliderated (sic) them.

This is what a building whose floors pancaked during an earthquake looks like.

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As you can see, the cement was not obliterated by the force of the collisions on each floor.

The WTC tower's floors were blown up just like the rest of the building was in each building.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-22   20:17:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#546. To: tom007 (#544)

Nope you didn't, not correctly.

Yes I misspelled the Latin.

Wha,...chuckle...huh?

I didn't trace it back to you but it was you who misspelled it?

Moonies...you just cannot make their shit up...

war  posted on  2009-03-22   20:18:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#547. To: RickyJ (#545)

The WTC tower's floors were blown up just like the rest of the building was in each building.

Ha...

HA Ha...

HA HA Ha...

HA HA HA...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Hey Moonbat...why didn't the explosion and fire that by everyone's observation reached the core, set off any of those charges?

war  posted on  2009-03-22   20:20:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#548. To: war (#547) (Edited)

Hey Moonbat...why didn't the explosion and fire that by everyone's observation reached the core, set off any of those charges?

They did. It just didn't set off enough of them to bring the building down so they had to do it later via remote control.

Oh, and that explosion, the big fire ball of jet fuel seen outside the WTC tower after impact, was mostly outside the building.

If it were mostly inside the building then no one on any of those floors would have survived it. But many did.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-22   20:24:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#549. To: war (#538) (Edited)

#538. To: tom007 (#533)

If the floors 'pancaked', then why was there no stack of floors at the bottom?

Because they were made of cement ond the force of the impact obliderated them. What do you ***think*** a good part of that "dust" was?

That said, when the Towers collapsed, the debris was up to 14 stories tall.

war posted on 2009-03-22 8:36:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Above is the post you made to me, WAR.

And it makes no sense to me, as I had nothing to do with whatever that discussion was.

And BTW, you misspelled several words there, and they were not Latin.

And please note that I am not assuming that I know what you think.

So quit being so full of yourself.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2009-03-22   20:24:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#550. To: RickyJ (#548)

They did. It just didn't set off enough of them to bring the building down so they had to do it later via remote control.

Say "Good Night, Gracie"...

war  posted on  2009-03-22   20:25:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#551. To: tom007 (#549)

And BTW, you misspelled several words there, and they were not Latin.

Yep....I limit my typos to one language...

war  posted on  2009-03-22   20:26:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#552. To: war (#550)

Say "Good Night, Gracie"...

You are retarded, do you know that?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-22   20:34:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#553. To: RickyJ (#552)

You are retarded, do you know that?

Sad the guy who believes that they built remote control redundancy into plane crash activated set charges and but doesn't understand the force/energy dynamic of a falling multi-ton structure on cement...

war  posted on  2009-03-22   20:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#554. To: RickyJ (#548)

Oh, and that explosion, the big fire ball of jet fuel seen outside the WTC tower after impact, was mostly outside the building.

Another one who ***thinks*** that nothing exploded inside the building...

But I'm retarded...

war  posted on  2009-03-22   20:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#555. To: RickyJ (#548)

Oh, and that explosion, the big fire ball of jet fuel seen outside the WTC tower after impact, was mostly outside the building.

Another one who ***thinks*** that nothing exploded inside the building...even though he ***thinks*** that the charges were set to explode on impact...

But I'm retarded...

war  posted on  2009-03-22   20:42:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#556. To: war (#555)

But I'm retarded...

Not only are you retarded, you stutter too.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-22   20:47:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#557. To: war (#551)

Yep....I limit my typos to one language...

Not me, I misspell in all the languages I write.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2009-03-22   20:50:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#558. To: war (#555) (Edited)

Another one who ***thinks*** that nothing exploded inside the building...even though he ***thinks*** that the charges were set to explode on impact...

No, they weren't set to explode on impact, but still some went off in the area, just not enough to compromise the structural integrity of the very well built structures the WTC towers were.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-22   20:51:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#559. To: SKYDRIFTER, Artisan, Christine, Jethro Tull, It istoolate, All (#530)

If the aircraft was "remote controlled," the pilots would have the ability to either override the electronics, or at least radio that they were in dire peril, via radio, or the transponder.

So you're saying that there is NO way someone with intimate knowledge of the aircraft systems could design a device to completely take over any and all systems, and that there would be no way to stop the pilot from isolating the problem and disabling the device?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-22   21:07:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#560. To: SKYDRIFTER, FormerLurker (#559)

>> If the aircraft was "remote controlled," the pilots would have the ability to either override the electronics, or at least radio that they were in dire peril, via radio, or the transponder.

So you're saying that there is NO way someone with intimate knowledge of the aircraft systems could design a device to completely take over any and all systems, and that there would be no way to stop the pilot from isolating the problem and disabling the device?

Why does everyone assume that there even was a crew, or passengers?

This could have been a military plane disguised as a UAL plane.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-22   21:13:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#561. To: RickyJ (#558)

And your evidence for this is what?

war  posted on  2009-03-23   8:40:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#562. To: RickyJ (#560)

Why does everyone assume that there even was a crew, or passengers?

Um...because people bought tickets and boarded the plane in Boston.

war  posted on  2009-03-23   8:47:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#563. To: RickyJ, SKYDRIFTER (#560)

I can't understand why SKYDRIFTER hasn't answered any of my questions here concerning his view of the possibility of remote control being used in the 9/11 attacks.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-23   16:12:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#564. To: war, RickyJ (#562)

Um...because people bought tickets and boarded the plane in Boston.

There's no evidence they boarded the planes, and I don't think there's any evidence they bought tickets either, but I could be mistaken. Why don't you post some links that prove they actually bought tickets.

As I said, there is NO proof that they actually boarded the planes, but you're more than welcome to look for it.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-03-23   16:13:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#565. To: war (#553)

Sad the guy who believes that they built remote control redundancy into plane crash activated set charges and but doesn't understand the force/energy dynamic of a falling multi-ton structure on cement...

Hey imbecile, check this out.

Photobucket

This is a bridge in Lebanon that was hit by missiles from Israeli jets. This bridge was much higher than the 1 floor distance in the WTC Towers. Still yet, even after falling hundreds of feet and having an actual missile hit it, it did NOT obliterate upon impact to fine dust. You might want to go back and check your physics book, you just screwed up big time. Thank god you are not a structural engineer. :)

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-23   16:35:13 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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