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Title: The thread that's changed its focus from the original title. Carry on ;)
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Published: Mar 21, 2009
Author: m e
Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#1215. To: Rotara (#1211)
Now that is a fine summation.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. A Thumbelina (sp?) thimble.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. And their alleged minds very weak.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That should be a permanent auto-ban on any forum, no matter who posts it, no matter how drunk they are. Death threats aren't free speech, they're speech intended to stop free speech. Bans can be arbitrary and often are. I've hardly noticed him, maybe we don't have the same interests.
FWIW< I don't believe that farmfriend was banned unless she did so via email. I do know that Brian S was banned.
What steel columns?
So now you as well as sneakypete are calling me a liar? Goldi herself said I was banned on the open forum! As I said before, I made no such announcement.
Those which were part of the steel core.
I was banned by the raving bagel for indirectly referencing Ron Paul when she was on one of her little crying jags. I consider it a badge-of-honor to be banned from El-Pee for choosing Ron Paul over McStain.
_________________________________________________________________________ Stupid question: Did you ever try to log back in? The last exchange over there between you and Goldi was her pulling a comment of yours. And, trust me, I was not calling you a liar...just seeking clarification based upon my own. I apologize if you believed that was my intent.
What makes you believ that they should have been left standing? You do know that they were sectional? You do know that they were tapered?
You're a liar war, and I think most rational people can see that.
Which "items" do you believe have not been rebutted?
Didn't you advocate spamming Ron Paul articles onto the forum?
For one, it is highly unlikely the supporting bolts and rods holding the trusses onto the core would have been strong enough to rip the core apart. If the floors pancaked then the floors should have slid over the core. However, there wasn't much left to slide since the upper floors pulverized as they collapsed, so there was not enough energy to cause a collapse of the lower floors in the first place. Thus, not only should the core have remained standing, but the 100 or so UNDAMAGED floors of both towers should have survived the collapse of the upper structure of both buildings, except for perhaps the top section of the remaining undamaged structures. And sure, the top was tapered, BUT strong enough to hold most of the weight of the WTC structure at that level. In fact, it was highly improbable for a total collapse even at the damaged section to occur at all.
Yes I tried to log back in. It was days later that she made the post about why she banned me. And it wasn't an exchange between Goldi and I about pulling the comment. She pulled it when she banned me. I had an exchange with Yukon about the nature of the comment.
You are basing this upon what? The inane belief that the only force being exerted was DOWNWARD? What was one of the functions of the outer support structure? LATERAL stability. When LATERAL support fails...what happens?
Where's the flight manifests? I don't mean newspaper graphics, I mean a link to the actual flight manifests. You haven't been able to show how there could possibly be enough energy to break the lower floors since much of the energy was expended by the pulverization process. You haven't shown any proof that the hijackers actually boarded the aircraft. I haven't had the time to dig through the "report" you linked, but I doubt it can honestly explain how two 110 story structures can collapse in 8-18 seconds, where the lower 100 floors were undamaged prior to the initial collapse of the top sections of each tower. You haven't been able to explain the fact that war games taking place during the attacks simulated the very attacks themselves.
Nothing unless there are high winds or a hurricane taking place. The towers didn't start swaying back and forth. Is that what you trying to say, the collapse was caused by SWAYING? Besides, only a relatively tiny part of the exterior columns were damaged.
I was not a Ron Paul supporter at the time. Well let me clarify. I didn't know much about Ron Paul then and was advocating for a different candidate, no not McCain. The more I learned about Ron Paul, the more I liked him. I do believe that my banning had more to do with my association with Brer Rabbit than anything else. War - I think that is what you are remembering. You were right, Goldi had pulled one of my posts. It was a message to someone from Brer. She didn't want it up because she had banned him.
Okay...apparently Goldi did several stealth bannings which she made a good job of doing - if this email I just got is correct, and I have no doubt but to believe it, then she really went after Paul supporters over a number of months beginning in late '07. I was wholly unaware of this; otherwise, I would have protested. Apology accepted?
You're out of your mind...what happens when you try to stack too much of something on top of each other?
I honestly don't remember. But, I was a fervent Ron Paul supporter. My last few posts were on the thread titled "Time for disobedience on LP: He Who Must Not Be Named". I and the thread were deleted after numerous posts and virtual shouting/posturing/bravado ;-)
_________________________________________________________________________ OH yes. No harm done. FWIW, I was not a Paul supporter at the time. She was purging some of the anti Jewish posters as well. I'm hardly anti Jewish since I married into a Jewish family but it was my association with one that did it.
You just had to ask, didn't you? LOL.
I was banned in the beginning of June 07.
I do remember seeing that and I just searched your name over there..your last post called for "Civil disobedience". Cracked me up... Anyway, I'm not all that comfoprtable talking about another forum here. I have nothing against Goldi and I enjoyed 99.44% of my time there...although, the stealth bannings trouble me. But it is also a symptom of why I left as a regular poster: Selevctive Enforcement.
Okay kewel... AS for your other...as I mentioned, I know that she made Brian S gone for that reason.
[wink]
In other words, despite the voluminous evidence that you have been shown that your beliefs have no basis in fact, you cling to them like a baby to a blankey... You've done a lot of bloviating, posturing, and name calling, but posted nothing in the way of real evidence. The core was cement... You are wrong. It was a steel column core reinforced with concrete. I already posted the image of the actual core under contruction for you, so you are flat out lying. Here's a few more for you... If you stack cans on top of each other, nothing happens unless you push them over. Are you retarded?
ehehe
Certainly not surprised to hear that.
LOL bitch
Neil McIver took a stand for Ron Paul there I believe. Then he drank the Obamessiah Kool Aid shortly thereafter iirc. ;-)
Oh and BTW, the WTC towers were not just a bunch of stacked cans, they were rigid structures. There would have virtually no loss of lateral strength anyways due to the minimal damage to the exterior columns, yet it wouldn't have mattered if there WAS a total loss of lateral strength (which would be impossible due to the construction of the buildings themselves). There were no hurricane force winds that day, and even if there had been, there was no overall loss of lateral strength as the purpose of the exterior walls was to DISTRIBUTE the lateral load across the entire building, and a missing section of column would not affect that.
Not when the links between the two support structures failed...
And I am really silly for even questioning the convenient little fairy tale that they had ready to feed everyone, immediately after the event after having done absolutely no investigation. And I am really nitpicking when I point out that the investigation wasn't even started until 8 months after the incident when all the evidence had been conveneniently destroyed. And during that investigation (the 9/11 Commission) not one firefighter, police officer or security personnell who was actually there was interviewed. Oh yes, I am completely paranoid for even suggesting that the elite could possibly have envisioned such an operation, much less carry it out. Even though Project for a New American Centery published a document clearly outlining exactly what they were planning on doing and explained the need for a catalysing event such as a new pearl harbor to get the people to go along with it. I really should wake up and realize that Muslim terrorists are the ones to blame here, and invading Afghanistan and Iraq was the only logical reaction to this event. I mean how else can we secure our safety and freedom? Dropping bombs on innocent people is really the only way we can ensure the safety of the homeland. ~ David
"I'm curious, what are firefighters and police, who either died in the collapse or never made it into the building, going to be able to tell you?" How is it your curiosity doesn't encompass simply checking something before you unsuccessfully attempt to convince us there is a link between you opening your mouth and any brain activity whatsoever? Let me assist you with your intellectual laziness, here is what they DID say: [A rich vein of city records from Sept. 11, including more than 12,000 pages of oral histories rendered in the voices of 503 firefighters, paramedics, and emergency medical technicians, were made public on Aug. 12, 2005. The New York Times has published all of them after having to go to court with the victim's families to have them released....] Should you feel the desire at some point to actually deal with nasty little details such as facts, then by all means please read the following essay which is the absolute best challenge to the official version available: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1846 Before you actually bother responding with empty rhetoric please consider that you are dealing with someone who has actually downloaded and read (more than once) both the 9/11 commission report and the NIST Final Report and found them lacking, which is something the proponents of the official version seem to not have bothered with. Why bother with both sides of the story when you can simply repeat what Fox News or CNN have to say, and immediately blend in with millions of other idiots... There is comfort in numbers obviously. And please stop with the "nasty Muslims who hate us because they hate our freedoms" foolishness. ~ Darran
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThere are so many dots to connect that only a damned liar or fool would deny the truth of 911.
Lord Acton
#1216. To: Rotara (#1212)
bottom of a thimble
Lord Acton
#1217. To: Rotara (#1213)
Their delusion is very strong.
Lord Acton
#1218. To: farmfriend (#1214)
I had caught ByteShredder plagerizing my friends work. He started posting death threats to me.
The purging of memebers at LP, mind you I signed up within the first two months it was up, was resulting in a lot of people moving over here. Many I considered friends. I signed up here and started posting. I had told someone on LP, I don't remember who, that I was posting here until Goldi had time to deal with my complaint. This is what she twisted into an announcement I was leaving. The posts are archived on this forum somewhere. Yukon twisted one of my posts into recruiting for 4um. It was removed and I was banned.
Byteshredder still posts at LP with immunity.
#1219. To: FormerLurker, farmfriend, Brian S (#1143)
#1220. To: FormerLurker (#1150)
The steel columns are a mystery as they should have remained standing
#1221. To: war, FormerLurker, Brian S (#1219)
FWIW< I don't believe that farmfriend was banned unless she did so via email.
FF was banned for trolling for members for another forum after announcing she was leaving to go there. (She likely only was another day or so here. Damage control.)
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#1222. To: war (#1220)
What steel columns?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1223. To: farmfriend (#1221)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#1224. To: farmfriend (#1221)
As I said before, I made no such announcement.
#1225. To: FormerLurker (#1222)
Those which were part of the steel core.
#1226. To: war (#1200)
Christine deleted those posts because the remaining record here PROVES that you have been rebutted on each and everyone of your "items".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1227. To: FormerLurker (#1226)
You're a liar war, and I think most rational people can see that.
#1228. To: X-15 (#1223)
I was banned by the raving bagel for indirectly referencing Ron Paul
#1229. To: war (#1225)
What makes you believ that they should have been left standing?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1230. To: war (#1224)
Stupid question: Did you ever try to log back in?
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#1231. To: FormerLurker (#1229)
For one, it is highly unlikely the supporting bolts and rods holding the trusses onto the core would have been strong enough to rip the core apart.
#1232. To: war (#1227)
Which "items" do you believe have not been rebutted?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1233. To: war (#1231)
LATERAL stability. When LATERAL support fails...what happens?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1234. To: X-15, war (#1223)
I was banned by the raving bagel for indirectly referencing Ron Paul when she was on one of her little crying jags. I consider it a badge-of-honor to be banned from El-Pee for choosing Ron Paul over McStain.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#1235. To: farmfriend (#1230)
#1236. To: FormerLurker (#1233)
Nothing
#1237. To: war (#1228)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#1238. To: war (#1235)
Apology accepted?
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#1239. To: war (#1220)
What steel columns?
#1240. To: war (#1235)
then she really went after Paul supporters over a number of months beginning in late '07.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#1241. To: farmfriend (#1234)
War - I think that is what you are remembering. You were right, Goldi had pulled one of my posts. It was a message to someone from Brer. She didn't want it up because she had banned him.
#1242. To: farmfriend (#1238)
OH yes. No harm done.
#1243. To: TooConservative (#1239)
#1244. To: war (#1156)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1245. To: war (#1236)
You're out of your mind...what happens when you try to stack too much of something on top of each other?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1246. To: James Deffenbach (#1216)
A Thumbelina (sp?) thimble.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#1247. To: James Deffenbach (#1217)
And their alleged minds very weak.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#1248. To: war (#1241)
I have nothing against Goldi and I enjoyed 99.44% of my time there...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1249. To: X-15 (#1223)
I was banned by the raving bagel for indirectly referencing Ron Paul when she was on one of her little crying jags.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#1250. To: X-15, pinguinite (#1237)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#1251. To: war (#1236)
(Edited)
what happens when you try to stack too much of something on top of each other?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1252. To: FormerLurker (#1251)
Oh and BTW, the WTC towers were not just a bunch of stacked cans, they were rigid structures.
#1253. To: 911 Official Fairy Tale Believers (#1250)
I am sorry. You guys are right. It makes perfect sense that 3 concrete and steel buildings specifically designed to resist the impact of jet airliners came down after only 2 of them were hit by planes. My skepticism is really childish there.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#1254. To: ALL (#1253)
We have the corporate media if the fancy takes us to be spoon-fed absurdities - your parroting their blatant propaganda is tiresome and in no way reflects you in a positive light.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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