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could ewwcon or peradventure even beachloser have signed up here as war? probably just some vulcan mind meld thingy.
Could even be playing devil's advocate, who knows? The name calling seems to be a different tactic though. But maybe Yukie's due to retire and they are having tryouts for his part in the play.
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Cutter Charge Sounds Heard During WTC 2 Collapse On 9/11?
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As seen in the documentary "Clear The Skies", cutter charge sounds like those generated during controlled demolitions of high rise buildings are apparently heard at the onset of the collapse of World Trade Center tower 2 on September 11, 2001.
#2081. To: IRTorqued, James Deffenbach, TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, mininggold, war (#2069)
could ewwcon or peradventure even beachloser have signed up here as war? probably just some vulcan mind meld thingy.
war behaved the same way over on LP when the topic of 9/11 came up. He pretty much had the same story, he was there so it couldn't have happened any differently than what the government says...
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Then, on the 33rd floor, they heard what sounded like heavy equipment being dragged across the level above.
This was particularly puzzling because Rodriguez knew the 34th floor was empty and had been off limits for weeks due to a construction project.
christine...after I watched, I believe it was in part 5 of the video, the above story....I recall I have heard him speak before. It may have been on t.v., or it may have been in a video I watched of him years ago...and forgot about his story, except for the above. That part of it I recall, and I have never heard anyone address this.
I presume it was just another item that the commission also overlooked?!
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
The time t required for an object to fall from a height h (in a vacuum) is given by the formula t = sqrt(2h/g), where g is the acceleration due to gravity. Thus an object falling from the top of one of the towers (taking h = 1306 feet and g = 32.174 ft/sec2) would take 9.01 seconds to hit the ground if we ignore the resistance of the air and a few seconds longer if we take air resistance into account. The Twin Towers each collapsed in less than fifteen seconds, close to free fall. Following the start of the collapse the upper floors would have had to shatter the steel joints in all 85 or so floors at the lower levels. If this required only one second per floor then the collapse would have required more than a minute. But the material from the upper floors ploughed through the lower floors at a speed of at least six floors per second. This is possible only if all structural support in the lower 85 or so floors had been completely eliminated prior to the initiation of the collapse. Since the lower floors were undamaged by the plane impacts and the fires, the removal of all structural support in these floors must have been due to some other cause and the most obvious possibility is explosives. Thus the speed of the collapse (not much more than the time of free fall) is conclusive evidence that the Twin Towers were brought down in a controlled demolition involving the use of explosives (or some other destructive technology) at all levels.
we got stuck in Portsmouth England for six weeks during euro97, had a blast asking the limeys what they did for the fourth of July so I'll hardly have a problem calling a bimbette a bimbo.
Then, on the 33rd floor, they heard what sounded like heavy equipment being dragged across the level above.
This was particularly puzzling because Rodriguez knew the 34th floor was empty and had been off limits for weeks due to a construction project.
John ONeill begins his new job as head of security at the WTC. ONeill had been the special agent in charge of the FBIs National Security Division in New York, and was the bureaus top expert on al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. [New York Magazine, 12/17/2001; New Yorker, 1/14/2002] Hed left his job with the FBI just the day before (see August 22, 2001). His friend Jerome Hauer, who is the former head of New Yorks Office of Emergency Management, had found him the job at the World Trade Center. Developer Larry Silverstein, who recently took over the lease of the WTC (see July 24, 2001), had been highly impressed with ONeill but insisted he start in the post no later than the first week of September, when his firm Silverstein Properties is set to assume control of the buildings. ONeill had agreed to this. [Weiss, 2003, pp. 336-338, 345-346 and 349-351] After hearing that ONeill has got this job, Chris Isham, a senior producer at ABC News who is a close friend, says to him, Well, that will be an easy job. Theyre not going to bomb that place again. ONeill replies, Well actually theyve always wanted to finish that job. I think theyre going to try again. [PBS Frontline, 5/31/2002] After a few days as the WTC security director, ONeill will move into his new office on the 34th floor of the South Tower. [Weiss, 2003, pp. 353-354 and 366]
Who Killed John O'Neill is a video made by Ty Rauber.
In the video, Ty Rauber ties Kroll, CIA and AIG together, speculated that Kroll is a sort of privatized CIA, running on drug money but able to do what the CIA can't because they aren't allowed. Some of this relates to the Hopsicker story.
Who Killed John O'Neill takes on many interesting questions, like: Where do the Kroll "anti terrorism experts" get their information?
The video shows how people move between these private corporations and CIA.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
The Twin Towers each collapsed in less than fifteen seconds, close to free fall..............If this required only one second per floor then the collapse would have required more than a minute. [That means more than 60 seconds]
Since the lower floors were undamaged by the plane impacts and the fires, the removal of all structural support in these floors must have been due to some other cause and the most obvious possibility is explosives. Thus the speed of the collapse (not much more than the time of free fall) is conclusive evidence that the Twin Towers were brought down in a controlled demolition involving the use of explosives (or some other destructive technology) at all levels.
But war is quibbling over minutia of seconds....when it shouldn't have even been able to happen by less than 1 minute if all the structural support were in place.
Then, on the 33rd floor, they heard what sounded like heavy equipment being dragged across the level above.
This was particularly puzzling because Rodriguez knew the 34th floor was empty and had been off limits for weeks due to a construction project.
christine...after I watched, I believe it was in part 5 of the video, the above story....I recall I have heard him speak before. It may have been on t.v., or it may have been in a video I watched of him years ago...and forgot about his story, except for the above. That part of it I recall, and I have never heard anyone address this.
war did, on this thread, says William in so many words is a liar.
Former FBI Deputy Director...the Man Who Knew Too Much!
"Their feet run to evil, and they make hast to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths" -Isaiah 59:7
Former FBI Deputy Director John O'Neill wanted to investigate the terrorists who were planning to blow up the trade towers on 911, but he was prevented from doing so by our beloved president. George W. Bush signed presidential directive W199i, making it a crime to investigate or hinder the terrorists in any way. Presidential directive W199i prohibited the FBI and Defense Department officials from stopping the terrorists. Why Mr. Bush? Why have you done this great evil?
Disgusted and angry that the Bush administration was obstructing justice and abetting terrorists, John O'Neill resigned his career and washed his hands of the evil so pervasive within the U.S. government.
As an innocent lamb about to be slaughtered, John O'Neill was given a new career as Director of Security at the Trade Towers in New York City. Little did John O'Neill know that his first day on the job, 911, would also be the last day of his life on earth. John O'Neill was deliberately conspired against to be assassinated on 911. Innocent blood was shed on 911. God HATES those who shed INNOCENT BLOOD...
John ONeill begins his new job as head of security at the WTC. ONeill had been the special agent in charge of the FBIs National Security Division in New York, and was the bureaus top expert on al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.
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I first heard about you from watching a PBS Frontline piece entitled "The Man Who Knew" and I have been forever changed from that moment. I purchased the video of that program, I've googled and read just about everything there is to know about John P. O'Neill. What an amazing person you were. How lucky we were to have had you "watching-our-backs" and what a shame that you are not here now when we so desperately need your expertise - for there is no one now and probably the foreseeable future who had your ability. You knew the danger that was out there and you tried in vain to alert the powers-that-be, sadly they didn't heed your warnings and the event you had tried so hard to prevent occured on September 11, 2001, the day you lost your life along with over 2,700 Americans. I think of you every day, John O'Neil, you are missed.
*** Posted by Tracy Nadeau on 2006-08-16 ***
God Bless you John, I am proud that you tried to get the FBI to go after Osama, but ashamed they didn't listen to you.
You resigned because of your frustration, and became head of security at the World Trade Centre. Your first day on the job was the 10th of September 2001. From one Irish man to another and the world.
John ONeill begins his new job as head of security at the WTC. ONeill had been the special agent in charge of the FBIs National Security Division in New York, and was the bureaus top expert on al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.
http://911.swishit.com/JohnONeil.html
Who was John Patrick O'Neill:
John Patrick O'Neill (February 6 , 1952 -September 11 , 2001 ) was a top American anti-terrorism expert who worked as a special agent for the Federal Bureau of Investigation until late 2001. In 1995 , O'Neill began to intensely study the roots of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing after he assisted in the capture of Ramzi Yousef , who was the leader of that plot. He subsequently learned of al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden , and investigated the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia and the 2000 USS Cole bombing in Yemen . Partly due to personal friction he had within the FBI and federal government, O'Neill left to become the head of security at the World Trade Center , where he died at age 49 in the September 11, 2001 attacks .
O'Neill started his new job at the World Trade Center in August 2001. Later that month, he talked to his friend Chris Isham about the job. Jokingly, Isham said, Well, that will be an easy job. They're not going to bomb that place again. O'Neill replied, Well actually they've always wanted to finish that job. I think they're going to try again.
The body of John P. O'Neill, a former assistant director of the FBI and an expert on terrorism, was recovered Friday from the rubble of the World Trade Center.
O'Neill, 50, was the chief of international terrorism operations for the FBI. He supervised on-site investigations of the bombing by terrorists of the USS Cole in Yemen, and the 1998 attacks on the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.
There wasn't even enough mass or energy left to demolish the lower part of the structure since the upper floors pulverized into dust as they fell into the lower floors.
The equations would be quite complex, but could be generalized to show that the loss of mass in addition to the loss of energy due to the energy being spent in the pulverization process would not be anywhere close to that of an undamaged section of the structure smashing into the floors below.
Someone would need to come up with some values as to how much energy would actually be required to break an undamaged floor and cause it to drop.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Yes, but war will say that the Enron case was not affected by 9/11, and that WTC7 was not the only place Enron SEC records were stored.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen