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Published: Mar 21, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-03-21 08:19:06 by Itistoolate
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#2159. To: Critter (#2075)
I'm not speaking as a structural engineer and neither are any of you Moonbats. That said, the ACTUAL structural engineer of the building thinks you a Moonbat. That, alone, is good enough for me.
FBI Warned on Training Before 11th Fri May 3,10:15 AM ET By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - Two months before the suicide hijackings, an FBI (news - web sites) agent in Arizona alerted Washington headquarters that several Middle Easterners were training at a U.S. aviation school and recommended contacting other schools nationwide where Arabs might be studying. "FBIHQ should discuss this matter with other elements of the U.S. intelligence community and task the community for any information that supports Phoenix's suspicions," the agent recommended in the memo obtained by The Associated Press. The FBI sent the intelligence to its terrorism experts in Washington and New York for analysis and had begun discussing conducting a nationwide canvass of flight schools when the Sept. 11 tragedies occurred, officials told AP. At least one leader of the 19 hijackers, Hani Hanjour, received flight training in Arizona in 2001 but his name had not surfaced in the FBI intelligence from Arizona, the officials said. None of the Middle Eastern men identified by the Arizona counterterrorism agents or any information contained in their July 2001 memo pointed to the suicide plot that leveled the World Trade Center and killed thousands in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania, officials said. "None of the people identified by Phoenix are connected to the Sept. 11 attacks," FBI Assistant Director John Collingwood said Thursday night. "The Phoenix communication went to appropriate operational agents and analysts but it did not lead to uncovering the impending attacks," Collingwood said. Officials said FBI counterterrorism agents in Phoenix were suspicious why several Arab men were seeking airport operations, security information and pilot training. The agents recommended that the FBI begin alerting local offices when Middle Easterners sought visas for training at local aeronautical schools. "FBIHQ should consider seeking the necessary authority to obtain visa information from the USDOS (State Department) on individuals obtaining visas to attend these types of schools and notify the appropriate FBI field office when these individuals are scheduled to arrive in their area of responsibility," the memo said. The FBI's concerns about the U.S. flight schools is the latest revelation about information, much of it sketchy, that the government possessed before Sept. 11 concerning the possibility of terrorism in the skies. For example: _AP reported last month that Filipino authorities alerted the FBI as early as 1995 that several Middle Eastern pilots were training at American flight schools and at least one had proposed hijacking a commercial jet and crashing it into federal buildings. _A month after the 2001 memo from Arizona to FBI headquarters, FBI agents in Minnesota arrested a French citizen of Moroccan descent, Zacarias Moussaoui, after a flight school instructor became suspicious of his desire to learn to fly a commercial jet. Moussaoui has since emerged as the single most important defendant in the post-Sept. 11 terrorism investigation, charged with conspiring with the hijackers and Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) to kill thousands of Americans. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty. _About the same time as the Phoenix memo and Moussaoui's arrest, U.S. intelligence issued a late summer warning that there was heightened risk of a terrorist attack on Americans, possibly even on U.S. soil, officials have said. Law enforcement officials said in retrospect the FBI believes it should have accelerated the suggested check of U.S. flight schools after Moussaoui's arrest but does not believe it would have led to the hijackers. FBI officials said a supervisory agent in Arizona wrote a several-page memo to FBI headquarters in July 2001 laying out information his counterterrorism team had developed in an unrelated investigation. A portion of the memo dealt with an Arizona flight school, officials said. The memo indicated agents were suspicious about why several nonresident Arab men were seeking training at a commercial aeronautical school in Prescott, Ariz. Collingwood said the men "were enrolled in various aspects of civil aviation engineering, airport operations and pilot training." The agents were particularly concerned that some were attempting to learn about airport security operations, officials said. The Phoenix memo urged FBI headquarters to assemble a list of U.S. aviation academies and to instruct field offices across the country to make "appropriate liaison" with their local schools where other Middle Easterners might be training. The information was shared with intelligence analysts who monitored terrorist threats and was even sent to the FBI office in New York that had the most experience with terrorism cases, officials said. After the suicide attacks, the FBI quickly descended upon flight schools nationwide, identifying academies in Florida, Arizona and elsewhere where the leaders of the 19 hijackers trained. Hanjour, believed to have piloted the jetliner that crashed into the Pentagon (news - web sites), trained at a flight academy in Phoenix between January and March 2001, the government has said in court documents. Some witnesses have also said they believe another hijacker, Ziad Samir Jarrah, trained on an Arizona flight simulator in the months before the attacks. But the FBI has no evidence that either man was connected to the Prescott school identified in the July 2001 memo, officials said. The FBI also investigated whether an Algerian pilot who spent time in Arizona may have helped train the hijackers before leaving the United States before the attacks. That man, Lotfi Raissi, was later apprehended in Britain, but U.S. officials failed to persuade a court there to extradite him to the United States. Law enforcement officials say their suspicions about his connections to the hijackers have since fizzled. An Arizona businessman who assisted U.S. intelligence said he alerted the FBI in the mid-1990s that one or more Middle Eastern pilots were training or working in his state and appeared suspicious. Harry Ellen said he told an FBI agent in Phoenix in late 1996 or early 1997 that he met an Algerian pilot and several Middle Eastern men at an Arizona mosque. Ellen assisted U.S. intelligence during the 1990s but later had a falling out over his business and personal dealings in Asia and the Middle East. "I brought this to the attention of an agent in the local FBI whom I knew," Ellen said. "They did not seem particularly interested in the presence of these people. I stressed it was very odd that the Algerian man was involved in aviation." "One of the other men I believe was probably Mr. Raissi, although he would have been thinner and younger at the time," Ellen said. Law enforcement officials said that while Ellen helped the FBI, agents in Arizona have no record or recollection of him providing information about pilots. www.cbsnews.com/stories/2...5/attack/main509113.shtml
Interesting view of collapse of Building 7
WTC was not steel framed...it was hollow tube/inner core/steel truss...
By John J. Loftus, Atty hmmm
That was reported on in late July of 2001. That said, I believe that the threat that the US made when we broke of talks led directly to the "go" for the 9/11 attack.
gobbeldygooky, yet indicative of an inkling of comprehension while mishmashingly dishonest. the calculations have been done; the free fall collapse of wtc7 is compelling evidence of demolition, however you spin. why depart from the official version? NIST admits free fall for wtc7, why can't you? at least the studied obfuscations and the practised delusions are consistent... to deflect? this coming from one who blithely edits his idiocy as if dishonesty were a commodity (is it?--serious question). stupid child, why do you lie? actually my mistake was assuming to deal with someone who does possess a modicum of perceptiveness, allowing him to recognize and affirm simple, basic, and consequential facts, but instead has shown himself to be stubbornly evasive. good day
www.ntra.com/content.aspx?type=feature&id=38530 Here is one guy's wagering suggestions for Pool 3. See the last two paragraphs. He neglects to mention the exacta possibilities. Win Willy runs in the Arkansas Derby on April 11 so you won't get another look if you plan to throw down money in Pool 3 which ends Sunday at 6 p.m. Here's my potential hunch bet this weekend: $2 Exacta Wheel - #23 (Win Willy)on top with ALL - total cost $46 with fat payouts possible. Win Willy wasn't on my radar but I'll give him a shot to hedge my other bets.
That, alone, is good enough for me. The actual structural engineer would never hear the end of it, would lose his livlihood, and maybe his life if he took the opposite stance and you know it.
O I C...he actually AGREES with you he just can't say anything... Shhh...it's a secret...
Of course, missing from that statement is exactlY WHY it is "gobbeldygooky". That seems to be the MO wityh you Mooonies...i.e. "Fuck all your expert analysis, photos, videos, and eyewitnes saccounts...we believe a radio talk show host!!!" NIST admits free fall for wtc7 Starkly missing from the NIST report is that admission. OIN point of fact...here is the NIST timeline: In the draft WTC 7 report (released Aug. 21, 2008; available at http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf), NIST stated that the north face of the building descended 18 stories (the portion of the collapse visible in the video) in 5.4 seconds, based on video analysis of the building collapse. This time period is 40 percent longer than the 3.9 seconds this process would have taken if the north face of the building had descended solely under free fall conditions. During the public comment period on the draft report, NIST was asked to confirm this time difference and define the reasons for it in greater detail. To further clarify the descent of the north face, NIST recorded the downward displacement of a point near the center of the roofline from first movement until the north face was no longer visible in the video. Numerical analyses were conducted to calculate the velocity and acceleration of the roofline point from the time-dependent displacement data. The instant at which vertical motion of the roofline first occurred was determined by tracking the numerical value of the brightness of a pixel (a single element in the video image) at the roofline. This pixel became brighter as the roofline began to descend because the color of the pixel started to change from that of the building façade to the lighter color of the sky. The approach taken by NIST is summarized in Section 3.6 of the final summary report, NCSTAR 1A (released Nov. 20, 2008; available at http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf) and detailed in Section 12.5.3 of NIST NCSTAR 1-9 (available at http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201-9% 20Vol%202.pdf). The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse: Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall). Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall) Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity This analysis showed that the 40 percent longer descent time—compared to the 3.9 second free fall time—was due primarily to Stage 1, which corresponded to the buckling of the exterior columns in the lower stories of the north face. During Stage 2, the north face descended essentially in free fall, indicating negligible support from the structure below. This is consistent with the structural analysis model which showed the exterior columns buckling and losing their capacity to support the loads from the structure above. In Stage 3, the acceleration decreased as the upper portion of the north face encountered increased resistance from the collapsed structure and the debris pile below.
WIN WILLY!!!!
Today is his birthday...no joke.
I wasn't talking about an invasion to "spread democracy" or unprovoked attack. I was talking about a response to a bio or nuke attack on an American city. Anybody that things any president would be allowed to sit to the side and not retaliate in kind is nuts.
His mama didn't raise no fools!!!
Hey shit for brains, please point out any talk show host listed at the following website... Engineers, scientists, and military officials question the official 9/11 story
In the draft WTC 7 report (released Aug. 21, 2008; available at http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf), NIST stated that the north face of the building descended 18 stories (the portion of the collapse visible in the video) in 5.4 seconds, based on video analysis of the building collapse. Yet yesterday you posted that it was 13 seconds. Get you story straight bud. This time period is 40 percent longer than the 3.9 seconds this process would have taken if the north face of the building had descended solely under free fall conditions. Oh, it took 1.5 more seconds to bust through 18 stories of structural steel and concrete rather than falling through air. Yeah right.
Do you get paid for this? Your handlers aren't getting their money's worth if so.
BTW, are you still trying to sell your "the wind blew down the WTC towers" story? Have you passed off Building 5 as Building 7 yet today?
Ok war, what part of the planes blew up? Did they have dyamite inside do you think? Were they special planes made out of plastic explosives?
LOL!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I kid you not, that's what he was saying a couple of days ago...
You said 13 seconds for WTC7 just yesterday, and now you just posted it was 5.4 seconds. See how you lie and then claim you've been consistant? You've consistantly lied.
I have him on my clown filter and didn't know he was making such claims. Clearly, it is time for the men in the white coats to capture him and adjust his meds.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You're saying that two seconds slower than the time it would take for something to fall from the top of a 110 story building is not close to free fall speed? Do you even know how long it would have taken for an object to fall from the top of the WTC?
Aren't you one of them?
Him along with most of the other whackjobs over at LP and FR.
Yep.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. If either a bio or nuke attack via missile, yeah, we'd return serve. But if it's a local hit via suitcase or vehicle, I don't see how we nuke Beijing if we catch Chi-Coms doing the deed...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, you're the one who seems to be the factaphobic.
Yet, oddly, not one of you Moonbats have a) been able to refute anything that I have posted and b) posted any facts which stand in stark contrast to mine and c) in your case, show me that what you've posted is not a lie.
ROFLMAO...among your MANY serious issues, short term memory seems to stand above the others...
First off, it was more than 2 seconds and, given the significant % differential that even a phantom 2 seconds is, yea...it's NOWHERE NEAR freefall speed...
...which also underscores my previous observation about you not understanding gravity... Or did you forget that too?
What happened to you the last time that you did not read something all the way through? Yea...you look just as stupid this time...
You CANNOT be this fucking dumb. It is IMPOSSIBLE... The fuel tanks ya dickhead...
It was never offered for sale. I've always stated that it was gravity that brought them down which was made possible by the dynamic forces first initiated by planes impacting and expoding. You're about to go on bozo...you're worse than BAC or Yukktard EVER were. You cannot hold a coherent thought. You take bits of an argument and then try to make them my WHOLE argument. There is 0 value added in discussing this with you because a) you continually misremember and I am tired of repeating myself...b) you are stupid...c) you don't offer any cogent responses...d) you are stupid and e) did I say that you are stupid? So. to sum up...you are just too fucking stupid to deal with. Have a nice life and my only advice to you is if you see a lot of cars in front of you...don't try to cross the street...
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Paxil can help with your symptoms
Did you ever try to go back under another pseudonym? Several have done it.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestAre you a structural engineer? no? Well STF up then. You are useless.
#2160. To: Itistoolate (#0)
#2161. To: All (#2160)
#2162. To: Elliott Jackalope (#2010)
the total structural failure of a steel-framed skyscraper.
#2163. To: TwentyTwelve (#2119)
What Congress Does Not Know About Enron And 911
#2164. To: TwentyTwelve (#2119)
A captured Al Qaida document reveals that US energy companies were secretly negotiating with the Taliban to build a pipeline.
#2165. To: war (#2142)
You claimed that the buildings collapsed at free fall speed. "Free fall" is EXACTLY what it sounds like...NOTHING between the interval of beginning of a fall and the end of it...given the accelerative effect of gravity on a body at rest dropped, calculating the speed of a free fall is a simple exercise of conversion.
In its draft report, released in August 2008, NIST attempted to cover up evidence that WTC7 fell at freefall, but the coverup was transparent. In its final report, released in November 2008, NIST finally acknowledged freefall, but couched it in a bizarre framework that continues to deny its clear significance.
In other words, you're trying now to deflect because you assumed that you were dealing with someone who doesn't know what they are "talking" about. That was a faulty, borderline moronic, assumption on your part.
#2166. To: war (#2164)
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#2167. To: war (#2159)
That said, the ACTUAL structural engineer of the building thinks you a Moonbat.
#2168. To: mininggold (#2167)
The actual structural engineer would never hear the end of it, would lose his livlihood, and maybe his life if he took the opposite stance and you know it.
#2169. To: postpunk (#2165)
gobbeldygooky, yet indicative of an inkling of comprehension while mishmashingly dishonest. the calculations have been done; the free fall collapse of wtc7 is compelling evidence of demolition, however you spin.
#2170. To: Fred Mertz (#2166)
#2171. To: war (#2170)
#2172. To: Mudboy Slim (#1738)
Sheeesh, you gotta be kidding me, Pete. After the way we fought Iraq with kid gloves, how can you say we're gonna use nuclear weapons on Iran or Syria? If we go into either country--and I have my doubts that we will--we'll go in using conventional forces...MUD
#2173. To: Fred Mertz (#2171)
Today is his birthday...no joke.
#2174. To: war (#2169)
Fuck all your expert analysis, photos, videos, and eyewitnes saccounts...we believe a radio talk show host!!!"
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#2175. To: war (#2169)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#2176. To: war (#2169)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#2177. To: war (#2169)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#2178. To: war (#2138)
Said the person who claimed that the planes were ripped to shreds but did not explode inside the building.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#2179. To: FormerLurker (#2177)
BTW, are you still trying to sell your "the wind blew down the WTC towers" story?
Lord Acton
#2180. To: James Deffenbach (#2179)
LOL!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#2181. To: war (#2140)
Asked and answered.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#2182. To: FormerLurker (#2180)
Lord Acton
#2183. To: war (#2142)
"Free fall" is EXACTLY what it sounds like...NOTHING between the interval of beginning of a fall and the end of it...given the accelerative effect of gravity on a body at rest dropped, calculating the speed of a free fall is a simple exercise of conversion.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#2184. To: war (#2148)
Who except you Moonbats is claiming that jetfuel caused the collapse?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#2185. To: James Deffenbach (#2182)
Clearly, it is time for the men in the white coats to capture him and adjust his meds.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#2186. To: FormerLurker (#2185)
Him along with most of the other whackjobs over at LP and FR.
Lord Acton
#2187. To: sneakypete (#2172)
"I was talking about a response to a bio or nuke attack on an American city. Anybody that things any president would be allowed to sit to the side and not retaliate in kind is nuts."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#2188. To: war (#2157)
#2189. To: IRTorqued (#2188)
you're the one who seems to be the factaphobic.
#2190. To: FormerLurker (#2184)
Aren't you one of them?
#2191. To: FormerLurker (#2183)
You're saying that two seconds slower than the time it would take for something to fall from the top of a 110 story building is not close to free fall speed?
#2192. To: FormerLurker (#2183)
#2193. To: FormerLurker (#2181)
You said 13 seconds for WTC7 just yesterday, and now you just posted it was 5.4 seconds
#2194. To: FormerLurker (#2178)
Ok war, what part of the planes blew up?
#2195. To: FormerLurker (#2177)
BTW, are you still trying to sell your "the wind blew down the WTC towers" story?
#2196. To: litus (#1959)
The Death Of John Kennedy
Convenient Deaths
1963 - 1976
In the three year period following the assassination many witnesses died - mostly of unnatural causes. Many rumors crawling around about the high death rate during these years. They are supported by the mostly suspicious circumstances the victims died under. For a unknown shooter or even shooters, all these deaths have on thing in common: they are very convenient to those assassins since these witnesses took their knowledge with them into the grave. But see yourself and decide whether these deaths are purely coincidently: Date Name Connection with case Cause of death 11/63 Karyn Kupicinet Tv host's daughter who was overheard telling of JFK's death prior to 11/22/63 Murdered 12/63 Jack Zangretti Expressed foreknowledge of Ruby shooting Oswald Gunshot Victim 2/64 Eddy Benavides Lookalike brother to Tippit shooting witness, Domingo Benavides Gunshot to head 2/64 Betty MacDonald* Former Ruby employee who alibied Warren Reynolds shooting suspect. Suicide by hanging in Dallas Jail 3/64 Bill Chesher Thought to have information linking Oswald and Ruby Heart attack 3/64 Hank Killam* Husband of Ruby employee, knew Oswald acquaintance Throat cut 4/64 Bill Hunter* Reporter who was in Ruby's apartment on 11/24/63 Accidental shooting by policeman 5/64 Gary Underhill* CIA agent who claimed Agency was involved Gunshot in head ruled suicide 5/64 Hugh Ward* Private investigator working with Guy Banister and David Ferrie Plane crash in Mexico 5/64 DeLesseps Morrison* New Orleans Mayor Passenger in Ward's plane 8/64 Teresa Norton* Ruby employee Fatally shot 6/64 Guy Banister* x-FBI agent in New Orleans connected to Ferrie, CIA, Carlos Marcello & Oswald Heart attack 9/64 Jim Koethe* Reporter who was in Ruby's apartment on 11/24/63 Blow to neck 9/64 C.D. Jackson "Life" magazine senior Vice-president who bought Zapruder film and locked it away Unknown 10/64 Mary Pinchot JFK "special" friend whose diary was taken by CIA chief James Angleton after her death Murdered 1/65 Paul Mandal "Life" writer who told of JFK turning to rear when shot in throat Cancer 3/65 Tom Howard* Ruby's first lawyer, was in Ruby's apartment on 11/24/63 Heart attack 5/65 Maurice Gatlin* Pilot for Guy Banister Fatal fall 8/65 Mona B. Saenz* Texas Employment clerk who interviewed Oswald Hit by Dallas bus ?/65 David Goldstein Dallasite who helped FBI trace Oswald's pistol Natural causes 9/65 Rose Cheramie* Knew of assassination in advance, told of riding to Dallas with Cubans Hit/run victim 11/65 Dorothy Kilgallen* Columnist who had private interview with Ruby, pledged to "break" JFK case Drug overdose 11/65 Mrs. Earl Smith* Close friend to Dorothy Kilgallen, died two daysafter columnist, may have kept Kilgallen's notes Cause unknown 12/65 William Whaley* Cab driver who reportedly drove Oswald to Oak Cliff (The only Dallas taxi driver to die on duty) Motor collision 1966 Judge Joe Brown Presided over Ruby's trial Heart attack 1966 Karen "Little Lynn" Carlin* Ruby employee who last talked with Ruby before Oswald shooting Gunshot victim 1/66 Earlene Roberts Oswald's landlady Heart attack 2/66 Albert Bogard* Car salesman who said Oswald test drove new car Suicide 6/66 Capt. Frank Martin Dallas policeman who witnessed Oswald slaying, told Warren Commission "there's a lot to be said but probably be better if I don't say it" Sudden cancer 8/66 Lee Bowers Jr.* Witnessed men behind picket fence on Grassy Knoll Motor accident 9/66 Marilyn "Delila Walle* Ruby dancer Shot by husband after 1 month of marriage 10/66 Lt. William Pitzer* JFK autopsy photographer who described his duty as "horrifying experience" Gunshot ruled suicide 11/66 Jimmy Levens Fort Worth nightclub owner who hired Ruby employees Natural causes 11/66 James Worrell Jr.* Saw man flee rear of Texas School Book Depository Motor accident 1966 Clarence Oliver Dist. Atty. Investigator who worked Ruby case Unknown 12/66 Hank Suydam Life magazine official in charge of JFK stories Heart attack 1967 Leonard Pullin Civilian Navy employee who helped film "Last Two Days" about assassination One-car crash 1/67 Jack Ruby* Oswald's slayer Lung cancer (he told family he was injected with cancer cells) 2/67 Harold Russell* Saw escape of Tippit killer killed by cop in bar brawl 2/67 David Ferrie* Acquaintance of Oswald, Garrison suspect and employee of Guy Banister Blow to neck (ruled accidental) 2/67 Eladio Del Valle* Anti-Castro Cuban associate of David Ferrie being sought by Garrison Gunshot wound, ax wound tohead 3/67 Dr. Mary Sherman* Ferrie associate working on cancer research Died in fire (possibly shot) 1/68 A. D. Bowie Asst. Dallas District Attorney prosecuting Ruby Cancer 4/68 Hiram Ingram Dallas Deputy Sheriff, close friend to Roger Craig Sudden cancer 5/68 Dr. Nicholas Chetta New Orleans coroner who on death of Ferrie Heart attack 8/68 Philip Geraci* Friend of Perry Russo, told of Oswald/Shaw conversation Electrocution 1/69 Henry Delaune* Brother-in-law to coroner Chetta Murdered 1/69 E.R. Walthers* Dallas Deputy Sheriff who was involved in Depository search, claimed to have found .45-cal. slug Shot by felon 1969 Charles Mentesana Filmed rifle other than Mannlicher-Carcano being taken from Depository Heart attack 4/69 Mary Bledsoe Neighbor to Oswald, also knew David Ferrie Natural causes 4/69 John Crawford* Close friend to both Ruby and Wesley Frazier, who gave ride to Oswald on 11/22/63 Crash of private plane 7/69 Rev. Clyde Johnson* Scheduled to testify about Clay Shaw/Oswald connection Fatally shot 1970 George McGann* Underworld figure connected to Ruby friends, wife, Beverly, took film in Dealey Plaza Murdered 1/70 Darrell W. Garner Arrested for shooting Warren Reynolds, released after alibi from Betty MacDonald Drug overdose 8/70 Bill Decker Dallas Sheriff who saw bullet hit street in front of JFK Natural causes 8/70 Abraham Zapruder Took famous film of JFK assassination Natural causes 12/70 Salvatore Granello* Mobster linked to both Hoffa,Trafficante, and Castro assassination plots Murdered 1971 James Plumeri* Mobster tied to mob-CIA assassination plots Murdered 3/71 Clayton Fowler Ruby's chief defense attorney Uknown 4/71 Gen. Charles Cabell* CIA deputy director connected to anti-Castro Cubans Collapsed and died afterphysical at Fort Myers 1972 Hale Boggs* House Majority Leader, member of Warren Commission who began to publicly express doubts about findings Disappeared on Alaskan plane flight 5/72 J. Edgar Hoover* FBI director who pushed "lone assassin" theory in JFK assassination Heart attack (no autopsy) 9/73 Thomas E. Davis* Gunrunner connected to both Ruby and CIA Electrocuted trying to steal wire 2/74 J.A. Milteer* Miami right-winger who predicted JFK's death and capture of scapegoat Heater explosion 1974 Dave Yaras* Close friend to both Hoffa and Jack Ruby Murdered 7/74 Earl Warren Chief Justice who reluctantly chaired Warren Commission Heart failure 8/74 Clay Shaw* Prime suspect in Garrison case, reportedly a CIA contact with Ferrie and E. Howard Hunt Possible cancer 1974 Earle Cabell Mayor of Dallas on 11/22/63, whose brother, Gen. Charles Cabell was fired from CIA by JFK Natural causes 6/75 Sam Giancana* Chicago Mafia boss slated to tell about CIA-mob death plots to Senate Committee Murdered 7/75 Clyde Tolson J. Edgar Hoover's assistant and roommate Natural causes 1975 Allen Sweatt Dallas Deputy Sheriff involved in investigation Natural causes 12/75 Gen. Earle Wheeler Contact between JFK and CIA Unknown 1976 Ralph Paul Ruby's business partner connected with crime figures Heart attack 4/76 James Chaney Dallas motorcycle officer riding to JFK's right rear who said JFK "struck in the face" with bullet Heart attack 4/76 Dr. Charles Gregory Governor John Connally's physician Heart attack 6/76 William Harvey* CIA coordinator for CIA-mob assassination plans against Castro Complications from heart surgery 7/76 John Roselli* Mobster who testified to Senate Committee and was to appear again Stabbed and stuffed in metal drum The HSCA Investigation
Just when the House Select Committee on Assassinations was investigating the JFK assassination, more suspicious deaths were coming up:Date Name Connection with case Cause of Death 1/77 William Pawley* Former Brazilian Ambassador connected to Anti-Castro Cubans, crime figures Gunshot ruled suicide 3/77 George DeMohrenschildt* Close friend to both Oswald and Bouvier family (Jackie Kennedy's parents), CIA contract agent Gunshot wound ruled suicide 3/77 Carlos Prio Soccaras* Former Cuban President, money man for anti-Castro Cubans Gunshot wound ruled suicide 3/77 Paul Raigorodsky Business friend of George DeMohrenschildt and wealthy oilmen Natural causes 5/77 Lou Staples* Dallas radio Talk Show host who told friends he would break assassination case Gunshot to head,ruled suicide 6/77 Louis Nichols Former No. 3 man in FBI, worked on JFK investigation Heart attack 8/77 Alan Belmont FBI official who testified to Warren Commission "Long illness" 8/77 James Cadigan FBI document expert who testified to Warren Commission Fall in home 8/77 Joseph C. Ayres* Chief steward on JFK's Air Force One Shooting accident 8/77 Francis G. Powers* U-2 pilot downed over Russia in 1960 Helicopter crash (He reportedly ran out of fuel) 9/77 Kenneth O'Donnell JFK's closest aide Natural causes 10/77 Donald Kaylor FBI fingerprint chemist Heart attack 10/77 J.M. English Former head of FBI Forensic Sciences Laboratory Heart attack 11/77 William Sullivan* Former No. 3 man in FBI, headed Division 5, counter- espionage and domestic intelligence Hunting accident 1978 C.L. "Lummie" Lewis Dallas Deputy Sheriff who arrested Mafia man Braden in Dealey Plaza Natural causes 9/78 Garland Slack Man who said Oswald fired at his target at rifle range Unknown 1/79 Billy Lovelady Depository employee said to be the man in the doorway in AP photograph Complications from heart attack 6/80 Jesse Curry Dallas Police Chief at time of assassination Heart attack 6/80 Dr. John Holbrook Psychiatrist who testified Ruby was not insane Heart attack but pills, notes found, 1/81 Marguerite Oswald Mother of accused assassin Cancer 10/81 Frank Watts Chief felony prosecutor for Dallas D.A. Natural causes 1/82 Peter Gregory Original translator for Marina Oswald and Secret Service Natural causes 5/82 Dr. James Weston Pathologist allowed to see JFK autopsy material for HSCA Died while jogging, ruled natural causes 8/82 Will H. Griffin FBI agent who reportedly said Oswald was "definitely" an FBI informant Cancer 10/82 W. Marvin Gheesling FBI official who helped supervise JFK investigation "Long illness" 3/84 Roy Kellerman Secret Service agent in charge of JFK limousine Unknown Date Name Connection with case Cause of Death 10/92 Jim Garrison Former District Attorney of New Orleans, only one who sued in the JFK assassination case Natural causes ?/94 Perry Russo witness who told he had seen Shaw, Oswald and Ferrie talking about the killing of JFK Unknown 01/95 Rose Kennedy Mother of John F. Kennedy natural causes 01/95 L.C. Graves wrested Ruby's revolver away from him after shooting Oswald natural causes 2/95 Irving L. Goldberg Judge who advised L. B. Johnson on transition of power natural causes 3/95 Philip L. Willis Dealey Plaza Witness, photographer Leukemia 5/95 Evelyn Norton Lincoln JFK's personal secretary natural causes 5/95 Phil L. Barleson Defender of Ruby Heart attack 11/95 Richard Case Nagell CIA agent who claimed he uncovered a "large operation" aimed at killing JFK heart disease 12/95 James W. Altgens Dealey Plaza Witness, press photographer natural causes 1/96 Ralph W. Yarborough Dealey Plaza witness, rode in motorcade natural causes 7/96 Melvin Belli Lawyer of KJack Ruby Suffering stroke and pneumonia 8/96 Charles Brehm Dealey Plaza Witness Unknown 9/96 McGeorge Bundy Top aide to JFK and LBJ Heart attack 10/96 Rufus Youngblood Agent who shielded LBJ during the JFK murder Cancer 10/96 Larry Ray Harris Researcher Car accident 10/96 Lawrence Brantley Sold Jack Ruby the gun used to kill Oswald Complications from surgery 
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#2197. To: RickyJ (#2028)
They" are your worst nightmare. "They" will toss you aside and eat your children when they are done using you. 9/11 is no more ancient history than the alleged "Holocaust" the Jews like to talk about is. The only difference is, one is fact, the other is fiction.
#2198. To: Dakmar (#2032)
Ever stop to think that Rotara, like myself, might be banned from that site?
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