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Title: The Actual US Citizen By Birth Law
Source: United States Code Title 8 Chapter 12
URL Source: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casec ... i/sections/section%5F1401.html
Published: Mar 22, 2009
Author: US Congress
Post Date: 2009-03-22 19:43:01 by war
Keywords: None
Views: 1783
Comments: 62

United States Code
TITLE 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
CHAPTER 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY
SUBCHAPTER III - NATIONALITY AND NATURALIZATION
PART I - NATIONALITY AT BIRTH AND COLLECTIVE NATURALIZATION

U.S. Code as of: 01/03/05

Section 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

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#1. To: All Birfers (#0)

Notice that the law does not require dual US parentage for citizenship by birth nor does it bifurcates citizen by birth into "natural born" and "citizen".

war  posted on  2009-03-22   19:45:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: war (#1)

I hope you didn't actually think you were going to win this argument.

Facts are, of course, irrelevant.

Your statute listing is pretty good but not comprehensive. It doesn't include the category known as American nationals, something I didn't even know existed before the Birther controvery. I heard about it when reading the differences between natural-born and birthright citizenship as opposed to ordinary citizenship and naturalized citizenship. Also, there is an inconsistent standard for being a citizen depending on where and when you were born overseas. There are also relevant court cases and longstanding precedents not in the statutes.

We Americans like our goverment Real Big and Real Stupid. Our citizenship laws are consistent with that.

TooConservative  posted on  2009-03-22   20:01:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TooConservative (#3)

Your statute listing is pretty good but not comprehensive. It doesn't include the category known as American nationals, something I didn't even know existed before the Birther controvery.

Post its existence in US law.

Thanks.

war  posted on  2009-03-22   20:10:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: war (#7)

Post its existence in US law.

You can find it at Google Books: Pacific Nations and Territories by Reilly Ridgell, Hawaii Pacific Region Educational Laboratory Honolulu.

Of course, this could be another evil plot by Hawaiian supremacists so take it all with a grain of salt.

American nationals can only be American Samoans who have not applied for citizenship.

You should also read some of the info at Wikipedia: Birthright Citizenship. Lots of info and background, laws and court cases for further reading.

TooConservative  posted on  2009-03-22   20:27:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TooConservative (#10)

You can find it at Google Books: Pacific Nations and Territories by Reilly Ridgell, Hawaii Pacific Region Educational Laboratory Honolulu.

Which is what Title and Chapter of the US code?

war  posted on  2009-03-22   20:34:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: war (#12)

Which is what Title and Chapter of the US code?

Not everything in the body of American law is written in statute.

There are court cases and their precedents going back to the Founders and to the English common law. And there are treaties, as with American Samoa. Those are not found in mere statute listings.

Given your claim to extensive reading on citizenship issues, I find it difficult to believe this is the first time you've encountered non-statutory citizenship court decisions or this treaty issue with the Samoans.

There are quite a few court cases involving the territorial islanders and American Indians that are relevant to citizenship.

TooConservative  posted on  2009-03-22   20:48:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: TooConservative (#15)

There are court cases and their precedents going back to the Founders and to the English common law.

Justies have long been loathe to apply the Common Law to constitutional issues to he point of one justice observing, in a co-joined majority opinion, that there is no Constitutional common law.

And while I will stipulate that the Court has heard cases that were based in common law and thus decided in common law, I have yet to see one in which they decided a case by using common law to override statutory law.

In this case, the statute makes no bifurcation in US citizen by birth. Unless you are advocating an activist judiciary, there is no material basis for a court to do so.

war  posted on  2009-03-23   8:08:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: war, TooConservative (#32)

one justice observing, in a co-joined majority opinion, that there is no Constitutional common law.

I believe you may be thinking of Brandeis who wrote a majority opinion saying there is no Federal general common law.

http://laws.findlaw.com/us/304/64.html

U.S. Supreme Court
ERIE R. CO. v. TOMPKINS, 304 U.S. 64 (1938)
304 U.S. 64

Argued Jan. 31, 1938.
Decided April 25, 1938.

Mr. Justice BRANDEIS delivered the opinion of the Court.

304 U.S. 64 at 78

Except in matters governed by the Federal Constitution or by acts of Congress, the law to be applied in any case is the law of the state. And whether the law of the state shall be declared by its Legislature in a statute or by its highest court in a decision is not a matter of federal concern. There is no federal general common law. Congress has no power to declare substantive rules of common law applicable in a state whether they be local in their nature or 'general,' be they commercial law or a part of the law of torts. And no clause in the Constitution purports to confer such a power upon the federal courts.

nolu_chan  posted on  2009-03-23   16:26:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: nolu_chan (#36)

nolu, I missed your reply the last time you visited; please tell us the names of the bureaucrats who have actually seen Obush's b/c?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-03-23   16:36:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#42. To: Jethro Tull (#38)

please tell us the names of the bureaucrats who have actually seen Obush's b/c?

I do not know of anyone named Obush. There were two presidents named Bush but I know of no bureaucrat who has seen the birth certificate of either one of them, nor any other president or candidate.

I know of no federal bureaucrat appointed and empowered to act as birth certificate czar.

nolu_chan  posted on  2009-03-24 00:41:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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