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Title: Cape "tea party" canceled;(by the government) City fears too many attendees
Source: http://www.winknews.com
URL Source: http://www.winknews.com/news/top/42019772.html
Published: Mar 29, 2009
Author: WINK News
Post Date: 2009-03-29 14:26:30 by freepatriot32
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CAPE CORAL, Fla. - A tea party to protest government spending and taxing is canceled. Canceled by the government.

Why? They feel too many people could show-up.

Lynn Rosko planned to hold a tax payer tea party at Jaycee Park in Cape Coral on April 1st. The idea was announced at a Cape Coral City Council meeting, then an e-mail blast by the Republican Party and it was mentioned in the local media.

With all of that attention, the City of Cape Coral felt there could be more than 500 people attending the tea party.

Therefore Rosko needed to get a permit and insurance for the event. Rosko says she's not willing to get insurance and accept liability for something that a stranger could do. Rosko told WINK News, "I have rescinded any organizing or supervision or what ever you want to call it over this tea party on April 1st."

WINK News spoke to the director of parks for Cape Coral. He says that even now if Rosko is willing to get insurance for the event he'll likely re-authorize it.

For now Rosko's event is canceled, she's encouraging people to attend the April 15th Tax Payer Tea Party in Centennial Park in Fort Myers.

Tea party cancelled? Are the organizers a bunch of pussies? Just quit and turn tail like a bunch of effeminiate sissies every time flag-burning marxists tell you no this is why i'll be damned if i'll fight in the coming revolution. I will not under any circumstances risk my and my familys life to secure the freedoms of a bunch of assholes that will be hiding in thier basements pissing themselves when there is a knock on the door from the gestapo and if we win the revolution those same group of pussies that probably will volenteer to fill the shower tubes with the vexon themselves so as not to anger the guards will just give it all back to a overbearing all encompaassing goverment anyway if they say they will keep the people safe fuck them ill watch thier mass deaths and burial in mass graves on cnn from a foriegn country Subscribe to *libertarians*

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uh huh. The fact that the pos they photoshopped on the internet is not even accepted by HAWAII to prove Hawaiian descent is irrelevant I suppose. The fact that his grandmother in Kenya said he was born in Kenya or the fact that his sister claimed that he was born in two different hospitals in Hawaii makes no difference either I suppose. Or the fact that Pakistan knows he was born in Kenya and gives that information to students who are taking a test to work for the government--posted the screen capture of that on here just a few days ago. But all of that is irrelevant to folks who can find no wrong in allowing an illegal alien to be president.

IF he has an actual birth certificate--a long form birth certificate like the one I had to produce to get a passport--then why won't he produce that? Instead of doing that he has spent, according to an article that was posted on LP and favorable to Obama, "considerable time and money" to keep it hidden. Just answer that if you can. I have yet to see one of his supporters who could answer that question--not one.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
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James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-31   13:07:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

uh huh. The fact that the pos they photoshopped on the internet is not even accepted by HAWAII to prove Hawaiian descent is irrelevant I suppose.

Its not photoshopped and if you think it is show me an expert who will risk his reputation on it. Just one. Should be easy right?

uh huh. The fact that the pos they photoshopped on the internet is not even accepted by HAWAII to prove Hawaiian descent is irrelevant I suppose.

Yes it is irrelevant. Do you know why they don't accept it to prove Hawaiian ancestry? Because it doesn't list where your parents were born. In order to be considered Hawaiian ancestry your parents must be born in Hawaii as well. Seeing as Hawaiian ancestry has nothing to do with the constitutional qualification it is irreverent, QED.

The fact that his grandmother in Kenya said he was born in Kenya or the fact that his sister claimed that he was born in two different hospitals in Hawaii makes no difference either I suppose.

Nope, I don't for sure know where my brothers were born. I could probably guess its the same place as where I was born and my sister was born but I really have no way to know.

Or the fact that Pakistan knows he was born in Kenya and gives that information to students who are taking a test to work for the government--posted the screen capture of that on here just a few days ago.

Source? Like I said if you give me credible info I'll believe you. So far you are making arguments without direct evidence, which is extremely suspicious.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-03-31   13:13:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

IF he has an actual birth certificate--a long form birth certificate like the one I had to produce to get a passport--then why won't he produce that?

You are asking him to prove his innocence, based on charges that have absolutely no supporting evidence. Even worse you are claiming refusal to prove innocence as evidence of guilt.

This sort of thinking is the product of a police state mind. I know you don't think that way normally so why now?

He produced a legal COLB, that proves he was born in Hawaii. Your only reason for not accepting it is a baseless accusation of forgery. We both know if he provided the original ink BC you'd call it a forgery too.

Why do you think Obama owes you more explanation than whats he has given you. He already provided more birth documentation than any president has ever done before, and it isn't good enough. Nothing will be good enough for you. When dealing with people with that attitude the only tactic is to ignore them. And it is working.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-03-31   13:18:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

1. Nope, I don't for sure know where my brothers were born. I could probably guess its the same place as where I was born and my sister was born but I really have no way to know.

2. Source? Like I said if you give me credible info I'll believe you. So far you are making arguments without direct evidence, which is extremely suspicious.

1. So, if you don't know where your brothers were born don't make any claims about it. Don't do like Obama's sister, or half sister or whatever she is, and claim that one or both of your brothers (or ever how many you have) were each born in TWO different hospitals.

2. As I said, I posted it on here a few days ago. I will try to dig it up and post a link for you but I doubt you will accept it. When you can't even be bothered that the man's own sister says he was born in two different hospiatals and his own grandmother says he was born in Kenya, there is no evidence you will accept.

Here is the title of the article. You can hunt it up yourself if you are interested (which I don't believe).

President of USA (44th) Barrack Hussain Obama of Democratic Party* (Kenyan born) (Since 20th Jan 2009)

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-31   13:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

1. So, if you don't know where your brothers were born don't make any claims about it. Don't do like Obama's sister, or half sister or whatever she is, and claim that one or both of your brothers (or ever how many you have) were each born in TWO different hospitals.

I still haven't ever seen any documentation that she even said this, and there have been false claims about her already (like her COLB that doesn't exist), however it is irreverent. All you are showing here is that his sister talks about stuff she isn't sure about. It at best discredits her, and means anything she says can't be trust. That in no way is evidence he wasn't born in the US, just that his sister is unreliable.

2. As I said, I posted it on here a few days ago. I will try to dig it up and post a link for you but I doubt you will accept it.

If the evidence is legit I will. But so far none of the evidence has turned up real. I'm not about to bet that the birther group suddenly got serious.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-03-31   13:25:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You are asking him to prove his innocence, based on charges that have absolutely no supporting evidence. Even worse you are claiming refusal to prove innocence as evidence of guilt.

Uh, no, Sherlock. I am asking him to produce a REAL birth certificate. One like I had to produce to get a freakin' passport. Why is he better than I am?

He produced a legal COLB, that proves he was born in Hawaii.

Wrong again. What he produced proves nothing since children who were born in foreign countries can get one of those.

Hawaii Issues Birth Certificates to Foreign Born Residents! Here’s Hawaii saying it like it it. All Doubts Cleared my Friends.

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

A. From Hawaii’s official Department of Health, Vital Records webpage: “Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country“ (applies to adopted children).

B. A parent may register an in-state birth in lieu of certification by a hospital of birth under HRS 338-5.

C. Hawaiian law expressly provides for registration of out-of-state births under HRS 338-17.8. A foreign birth presumably would have been recorded by the American consular of the country of birth, and presumably that would be reflected on the Hawaiian birth certificate.

D. Hawaiian law, however, expressly acknowledges that its system is subject to error. See, for example, HRS 338-17.

E. Hawaiian law expressly provides for verification in lieu of certified copy of a birth certificate under HRS 338-14.3.

F. Even the Hawaii Department of Home Lands does not accept a certified copy of a birth certificate as conclusive evidence for its homestead program. From its web site: “In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.”

Your boy produced a "Certification of Live Birth," not a Certificate of Live Birth. And Hawaii says there is a difference. And this also proves that Obama could have been born in Greenland or China and gotten what he produced for his gullible and naive sycophants.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-31   13:29:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If the evidence is legit I will. But so far none of the evidence has turned up real. I'm not about to bet that the birther group suddenly got serious.

He!!, if your Obamasiah told you himself that he was born in Kenya you would claim he was being forced to admit it and that it wasn't true. Your use of the term "birther" shows your mindset.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-31   13:31:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

some questions we've covered here from a poster on cynicsunlimited.com -

Barry, your mother was pure Caucasian white and your father was African black so why do you incorrectly identify yourself as an African Black rather than identify yourself as the appropriate designation of Mulatto or Bi-Racial?

Barry, are ashamed of or angry at being Mulatto or Bi-Racial?

Barry, why did Alex Jones exclude this important topic from his documentary about you?

Barry, what is the first name is on your birth certificate, Barry or Barack?

Barry, what is the last name on your birth certificate, Obama or Dunham ( your mother’s maiden name)?

Barry, were you born in Hawaii?

Barry, were you born in Kenya?

Barry, was your biological father a natural born American citizen?

Barry, was your biological father not born in the United States?

Barry, are you aware the United States Constitution prohibits a person from being President of the United States if one of his/her parents is not born in the United States?

Barry, what month and year did your mother and stepfather legally change your last name to Soetoro?

Barry, did you know Indonesia, the home country of your step-father, does not allow dual citizenship?

Barry, what month and year did you become a Indonesian citizen? Barry, did you become a Indonesian citizen when your parents legally changed your last name to Soetoro?

Barry, when you moved to Hawaii as a citizen of Indonesia with name of Barry Soetoro, did you complete the required steps to become a United States citizen?

Barry, if you did not complete the required steps to become a United States citizen while you were an Indonesian citizen then how do you claim to be an American citizen?

Barry, can you produce the appropriate legal documentations that verify you became a United States citizen and revoked your Indonesian citizenship when you moved to Hawaii? Barry, did you know that one is required to be and prove they are an American citizen to file for the election of the United States Federal positions of Senator and President? Barry, if you cannot produce legal naturalization papers, where is your proof you are a legal citizen of the United States of America? Barry, can you detail how you avoided producing the appropriate legal documents to prove your proper name and citizenship before being elected a Senator from Illinois and President of the United States?

Barry, what month and year did you legally change your legal name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Obama?

Barry, if you DID NOT legally change your legal adopted Indonesian name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Obama, did you know you are the first person to be elected President of the United States while using an alias name and having the status of an illegal alien? Barry, are executive orders, legislative bills and all other related United States Presidential documents signed with your alias name, Barack Obama while you remain a legal Indonesian citizen and an illegal alien in the United States, legal, enforceable, constitutional and binding?

Barry, did you know Vice-President Dick Chaney did not follow the legally mandated procedures when he illegally verified the electoral vote for President of the United States in January 2009?

Barry, what is your relationship with one Zbigneiw Brzezinski?

Barry, is Brzezinski your mentor, guide, teacher and supporter?

Barry, did you know Zbigneiw also was the mentor, guide, teacher and supporter of the notorious Pol Pot who was the bloody dictator of Cambodia in the1970s?

Barry, did you know your fellow Brzezinski protégée killed millions of Cambodian citizens whose only crime was being Buddhist?

Barry, did you know your fellow Brzezinski protégée did not harm, attack or kill Cambodian citizens who were practicing a specific religion?

Barry, do you know name of the specific religion practiced by Cambodians that your fellow protégée Pol Pot protected and spared?

Barry, do you know who educated, employs, provides office space and staff and publishes the policy papers of your mentor Zbigneiw Brzezinski?

Barry, did you know the same organization that educated, employs, provides office staff and publishes the policy papers of Zbigneiw Brzezinski also educated, employs, provides office space and staff and publishes the policy papers of Henry Kissinger?

Barry, did you know on the continent of Africa (your half home), Henry Kissinger’s nickname is Dr. Death because of his direct participation in arming numerous religious factions who slaughtered their religious opponents?

Barry, did you know the same organization that educated, employs, provides office staff and publishes the papers of Zbigneiw Brzezinski and Henry Kissinger also educated, employs and provides office space and staff and publishes the policy papers of the authors of the absurd and unconstitutional 2001 Patriot Act and the 2009 Stimulus Package?

Barry, is the 2009 Stimulus Package or any legislation you sign a completed legal document of law with your alias and illegal alien signature?

Barry, did you know Alex Jones and his guests such as author/historian Webster Tarpley and politician/author Jesse Ventura, who appear in the documentary about you, craftily and purposely do not mention who pulls the strings of control on your mentors Zbigneiw Brzezinski and Henry Kissinger?

Barry, who are the absolute and highest controllers of Brzezinski and Kissinger that Jones, Tarpley and Ventura dare not mention?

Barry, will you check-out these websites? www.csis.org/component/op...task,view/type,34/id,108/ www.csis.org/component/op...task,view/type,34/id,197/

Barry, is a partial truth any different from a lie?

Barry, are you relieved and glad to know that Jones, Tarpley and Ventura are promoting partial truths (lies) with gross omissions about you that protect and cover-up the true and hidden in plain sight controllers of you, Brzezinski and Kissinger?

Barry, because Jones, Tarpley and Ventura protect the true controllers of you, Brzezinski and Kissinger are these three personalities and others such as Jeff Rense and George Noory also media stooges for your controllers?

Barry, how did Brzezinski, Kissinger, their fanatical religious controllers, Jones, Tarpley and the corporate and alternative news media cover-up your alias name and illegal alien status?

Barry, did you know Jones blatantly lied in his documentary about you when he stated that British agents tried to assassinate Andrew Jackson because he opposed a private central bank?

Barry, did you know the assassin who tried to shoot President Jackson with two pistols that misfired had indisputable ties to a fanatical religious organization and the failed assassin had no connections whatsoever with British provocateurs and spies?

Barry did you know that in Jones’s documentary about you Alex and Webster totally avoided the 137 year effort of the religious zealots to establish a private central bank in America that culminated in the passage of the Federal Reserve Act in 1913 that established the Federal Reserve Bank..owned by private/non-government interests?

Barry, do you feel safe and secure knowing Alex Jones, Webster Tarpley and others in the alternative media will not discuss in any communications outlet or forum the true, top level and ultimate controllers of you, Brzezinski, Kissinger, royalty, the international banking cartel, the Bilderberg Group, the corporate elite, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Tri-Lateral Commission, Knights of Malta, the Freemasons et al and more?

Barry, are your mentors, the organizations listed above and their top level controllers fermenting, promoting and creating the problem of civil unrest and chaos to justify imposing their solution of a New World Order so the top level controllers have complete and total control over the Earth?

Barry, how are the lethal fleet of elite globalists in your administration any different from the hoard of deadly elite globalists in the George W. Bush and William Clinton administrations?

Barry, why do you want to delete the oath public officials and members of the military take to protect and defend the United States Constitution and replace this crucial promise by having them pledge their sole loyalty to only the President of the United States?

Barry, obviously you did not concoct such a ridiculous proposal so which one of your handlers devised this scheme?

Barry, did you know most asleep Americans could care less about these questions?

Barry, did you know I care?

Barry, did you know that I will not use the word President and the word Obama in a combination sequence until you successfully and satisfactorily answer the above questions or similar questions in front of the United States Supreme Court by you or your attorneys related to your eligibility as a citizen of the United States and to be President of the United States?

Barry, did you know I will always refer to you as Illegal Alien Barry, Illegal Barry, Alien Barry, patsy Barry, stooge Barry or just plain Barry…when you prove who and what you really are then the proper respectful titles will be included? Barry, because you do not have any kind of proven legal name, birth information, American citizenship, election, or title, the 2008 Presidential election is voided and an emergency election must take place immediately.

Barry, did your mentors Zbigneiw Brzezinski and Henry Kissinger and their fanatical religious controllers manipulate and insert an illegal alien using an alias name into the position of President of the United States to once again flex and demonstrate their power while crushing the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights under their heels of their dress shoes, boots and sandals?

Barry, will you give up your part in the game and scam you, your mentors Zbigneiw Brzezinski and Henry Kissinger and their fanatical religious controllers are running on America in their quest for implementing a New World Order?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I wonder how long it took to cobble together this laundry list?

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-03-31   13:32:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Uh, no, Sherlock. I am asking him to produce a REAL birth certificate. One like I had to produce to get a freakin' passport. Why is he better than I am?

His COLB is accepted as a BC for getting a passport. Exactly the same as you.

Wrong again. What he produced proves nothing since children who were born in foreign countries can get one of those.

Mother fucker please, who do you think you are talking to? We both know that law allowing foreign births to be registered was enacted until 1982, which is 20+ years after he was born.

And we both know they wouldn't list Honolulu as city of birth.

Who are you trying to fool. Keep your replies factual, you aren't dealing with a retard.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-03-31   13:37:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks lodwick. You can be sure the Obamasiah won't answer any of those questions and those who support him blindly and slavishly will say "good for him."

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-31   13:40:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I SEEM to be dealing with a retard. As I said, I had to produce a real--that is a long-form birth certificate--to get my passport. It had a LOT more information on it than that Photoshop pos that all you Obama lovers claim is legitimate.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-31   13:42:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He!!, if your Obamasiah told you himself that he was born in Kenya you would claim he was being forced to admit it and that it wasn't true.

Let's see.... Kenya in August of 1961 without air conditioning or Hawaii with it's balmy breezes... where would a mother who had the choice rather have her kid? Hmmmmmmmmm I suspect that even by June she was crying uncle and ready to jump the Kenyan ship. Especially when she is going to return to Hawaii soon anyway.

mininggold  posted on  2009-03-31   13:42:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Without a REAL birth certificate I guess we will never know. Except that I believe his grandmother who said he was born in Kenya. Why would she lie? Does she hate him and want to wreck his gravy train?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-31   13:44:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Like I said months ago, "I believe his grandma in Kenya."

Keeps it simpler here.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-03-31   13:46:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Without a REAL birth certificate I guess we will never know. Except that I believe his grandmother who said he was born in Kenya. Why would she lie? Does she hate him and want to wreck his gravy train?

Why Yes I believe what all impoverished people in third world outpost dictatorships say. They certainly have no reason to lie and their memories are always impeccable.

Unfortunately a sizable proportion of the population in the US prefers a less than forthright candidate. And no court is going to change that. Anyway the Pubs have demonstrated to be no plausible alternative. That is what needs to be changed.

mininggold  posted on  2009-03-31   13:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I SEEM to be dealing with a retard. As I said, I had to produce a real--that is a long-form birth certificate--to get my passport. It had a LOT more information on it than that Photoshop pos that all you Obama lovers claim is legitimate.

I asked for simple evidence, you bring none. This debate is over til you do. If you bring the evidence I will gladly continue. Til next time.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-03-31   14:43:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I asked for simple evidence, you bring none. This debate is over til you do. If you bring the evidence I will gladly continue. Til next time.

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=97803

Not that you will believe that either because you won't believe anything that shows your Obamasiah to be a usurper and a liar. There is no debate, your hero is a commie puppet and a foreign born one at that.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-31   18:02:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why Yes I believe what all impoverished people in third world outpost dictatorships say. They certainly have no reason to lie and their memories are always impeccable.

And his own grandmother (and some of his other relatives) lied about him being born there--WHY? Are people automatically liars because they are poor? Or because they live in the third world? Would his own grandmother want to wreck his gravy train? None of this is any argument for the likes of McCain and Bush. Just because they aren't worth a damn doesn't mean that Obama is because he has a different letter after his name. They are all political whores who have been bought and paid for and amount to nothing more than puppets.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-31   18:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Like I said months ago, "I believe his grandma in Kenya."

So do I. What possible reason did she have to lie about it? And why won't Obama produce his long form birth certificate? Why is he any better than you and I and the vast majority of Americans who have to show Unk a real birth certificate to get a passport?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-31   18:07:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

A web forum post? Please tell me you are pulling my leg. Seriously.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-03-31   19:33:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Just as I have said ever since the Obamasiah got elected, those who think that there is some magic that makes a D better than an R will never accept that their Obamasiah is both a pos and an illegal alien who got into office under false pretenses. I knew you would never accept anything as proof even if your boy told you himself. I will not waste any more time with a rabid Obamabot.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-31   20:17:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Just as I have said ever since the Obamasiah got elected, those who think that there is some magic that makes a D better than an R will never accept that their Obamasiah is both a pos and an illegal alien who got into office under false pretenses.

I didn't vote Obama, nor am I particularly a fan. He is better than McCain and Bush, but thats not saying much. In fact last election I voted republican for house and senate just to balance out the Obama Presidency (I didn't vote for President at all, because even the 3rd party choices sucked).

The only times I voted democrat was to try to oust my republican who voted for amnesty, and to vote for a local democrat who was against funding illegal immigrant welfare.

I'm not a democrat, and I'm not a republican. I'll support the best candidate in the race, or none if they are all bad.

I don't believe the Kenya myth because there is no real evidence. If you had a shred of honesty, with your self and others, you'd know you believe the myth because you want it to be true.

I knew you would never accept anything as proof even if your boy told you himself.

You posted a message board post as proof! In what world is that evidence!

I will not waste any more time with a rabid Obamabot.

I told you upfront I expected evidence. Its your fault you wasted your time.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-03-31   20:27:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Its your fault you wasted your time.

That's true. I knew that it didn't matter what evidence I, or anyone else, produced. You refuse to see it and that is your right. It is also your right to be retarded and act like there is nothing wrong with some heinous puppet spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep his actual birth certificate under wraps.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-31   20:37:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's true. I knew that it didn't matter what evidence I, or anyone else, produced.

You should have tried presenting some. I cannot believe you think a message board post is evidence of anything! You are either a fanatic, or stupid.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-03-31   20:49:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sure, everyone is stupid except for you Obama lovers. At least in your demented mind, such as it is.

All the evidence that most people, that is people with any sense, needs is the fact that he has spent "considerable time and money" to keep his actual birth certificate hidden. And when someone can spend just a little time and almost no money to produce one that is all the evidence anyone really needs to know he is a fraud. And his diehard supporters, like you, are gullible and easily conned.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-31   21:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sure, everyone is stupid except for you Obama lovers. At least in your demented mind, such as it is.

No, the people who are really stupid are ones that call others "Obama lovers" because they refuse to buy into your groundless, far fetched, conspiracy theories about him. That's just too stupid for words.

Rhino369 is no Obama supporter. He didn't even vote for the guy, reluctantly or otherwise. I've known Rhino for a while over at LP. He supported Ron Paul for president, not Obama.

meguro  posted on  2009-04-01   0:06:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

On that I agree somwwhat...every now and again I go through old exchanges and a good portion of them through until late 2007 and fairly good give and take.

Very little beyond that is...

She really should have designated a mod.

Hey, but packbot is a good poster, right?

meguro  posted on  2009-04-01   3:44:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And now I will tell you the same thing I told your little buddy: "All the evidence that most people, that is people with any sense, needs is the fact that he has spent "considerable time and money" to keep his actual birth certificate hidden. And when someone can spend just a little time and almost no money to produce one that is all the evidence anyone really needs to know he is a fraud. And his diehard supporters, like you, are gullible and easily conned."

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-01   7:49:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And now I will tell you the same thing I told your little buddy: "All the evidence that most people, that is people with any sense, needs is the fact that he has spent "considerable time and money" to keep his actual birth certificate hidden. And when someone can spend just a little time and almost no money to produce one that is all the evidence anyone really needs to know he is a fraud. And his diehard supporters, like you, are gullible and easily conned."

Yes, you can tell everyone the same old thing, time and time again, for the next 4-8 years, till you're blue in the face.

The fact is, most people, with any sense, have either never even heard of your ridiculous arguments or if they have, they reject them outright publicly, while laughing hysterically at you privately.

Ever wonder why your nifty little theory hasn't seen the light of day? Has it occurred to you why the Republican party or its admirers (like Rush, Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly et al) won't touch it with a 10 foot pole? C'mon, they would all use anything they could get their hands on in order to smear Obama. And yet they stay away from this... why is that? Any ideas? That's all I need to know as evidence that it's nothing but smoke and mirrors.... utter bullshit and propaganda.

'Tis you, my friend, who is gullible and easily conned.

meguro  posted on  2009-04-01   10:33:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

First of all you are not my friend and secondly you make an absurd argument that is completely illogical. Your "appeal to the majority," also known as argumentum ad populum, is designed to sway weak-minded people. Unlike you and other Obama worshipers I am not one of those. And just like the rest of the Obama bots I bet you can't offer any good explanation for the question I posed to your little buddy. None of you can.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-01   10:52:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

First of all you are not my friend and secondly you make an absurd argument that is completely illogical. Your "appeal to the majority," also known as argumentum ad populum, is designed to sway weak-minded people. Unlike you and other Obama worshipers I am not one of those. And just like the rest of the Obama bots I bet you can't offer any good explanation for the question I posed to your little buddy. None of you can.

First of all, I am not an Obama bot, nor do I worship him.

And yes, it is clear that you do not appeal to the majority. In fact, you don't appeal to anyone other than your fellow birther wackos.

The explanation I offer is that all this crap about his not releasing is birth certificate is just that... crap.

Now tell me, why isn't the Republican party all over this?

meguro  posted on  2009-04-01   11:00:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, sure you're not an Obama bot. But you can't explain why anyone (and that includes your hero) would spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep his actual birth certificate under wraps.* As for why the alleged "Republicans" aren't "all over" that, it could be because there is just one team and the establishment picks two people to "fight" over the figurehead position every four years to con gullible rubes like you. That'd be my guess. And you still haven't answered my question and you never will and neither will any Obama bot.

*And I have never heard of anyone other than Obama doing that. No sane person would spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to hide a birth certificate they could produce for less than 20 dollars UNLESS there was damning evidence on it that they didn't want to come to light.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-01   11:22:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, sure you're not an Obama bot. But you can't explain why anyone (and that includes your hero) would spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep his actual birth certificate under wraps.* As for why the alleged "Republicans" aren't "all over" that, it could be because there is just one team and the establishment picks two people to "fight" over the figurehead position every four years to con gullible rubes like you. That'd be my guess. And you still haven't answered my question and you never will and neither will any Obama bot.

Yeah sure, you're not a rabid Obama hater, who will smear him at any opportunity you can get, whether or not there's the slightest shred of evidence or truth to it. Obama is gay, he's a pedophile, he's a terrorist, he's a drug addict, he's a Muslim, he's a racist, he's this, he's that. I've heard it all.

I've answered your question. I don't believe he's spending all this money withholding his birth certificate. What's your reputable source that proves that he is? World Nut Daily? LOL!

And by the way, where's that proof that he was a foreign student?

meguro  posted on  2009-04-01   19:12:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah sure, you're not a rabid Obama hater, who will smear him at any opportunity you can get, whether or not there's the slightest shred of evidence or truth to it. Obama is gay, he's a pedophile, he's a terrorist, he's a drug addict, he's a Muslim, he's a racist, he's this, he's that. I've heard it all.

I've answered your question. I don't believe he's spending all this money withholding his birth certificate. What's your reputable source that proves that he is? World Nut Daily? LOL!

And by the way, where's that proof that he was a foreign student?

So, according to you, your hero is a queer, a pedophile, a terrorist, a drug addict, a Muslim, and a racist. I knew about all those things other than pedophile and hadn't heard that one before.

And no, you haven't answered my question and you can stop lying about that. You "don't believe" he is spending all that money but according to an article I read on LP, one FAVORABLE to your boy, he has indeed "spent considerable time and money" to keep the birth certificate under wraps. Spin all you want to, little Obot, but your type doesn't impress many people on this site.

The proof that he was a foreign student is locked up in the colleges he went to in even more papers he refuses to allow access to. Dumb@$$.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-01   20:34:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So, according to you, your hero is a queer, a pedophile, a terrorist, a drug addict, a Muslim, and a racist. I knew about all those things other than pedophile and hadn't heard that one before.

LOL! I know today is April Fools, but c'mon. You know what I meant. He's not likely to be any of these things. It's just crap people like you make up about him.

And no, you haven't answered my question and you can stop lying about that. You "don't believe" he is spending all that money but according to an article I read on LP, one FAVORABLE to your boy, he has indeed "spent considerable time and money" to keep the birth certificate under wraps. Spin all you want to, little Obot, but your type doesn't impress many people on this site.

Ah yes, El Pee... that other site of objectivity and rational thought. I'm sure all the article posted there are just chock full of facts... and nothing but the facts. Yes, today is indeed April Fools, isn't it?

The proof that he was a foreign student is locked up in the colleges he went to in even more papers he refuses to allow access to. Dumb@$$.

Actually, I thought that crusader of yours, Dr. Taiz (sp?) had it. If so, why hasn't she posted it to her website?

meguro  posted on  2009-04-01   22:28:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

1. LOL! I know today is April Fools, but c'mon. You know what I meant. He's not likely to be any of these things. It's just crap people like you make up about him.

2. Ah yes, El Pee... that other site of objectivity and rational thought. I'm sure all the article posted there are just chock full of facts... and nothing but the facts. Yes, today is indeed April Fools, isn't it?

3. Actually, I thought that crusader of yours, Dr. Taiz (sp?) had it. If so, why hasn't she posted it to her website?

1. Actually I do believe he is indeed some of those things. Maybe most of them. And YOU are the one who said he was all of those things--I never made any of it up.

2. As I said, the article was FAVORABLE to your boy. You do understand what the word means, don't you?

3. I have no idea what she has or doesn't have so of course I couldn't know why she has, or hasn't, done anything with this information you think she might have. And you still haven't answered the question unless you think it is an answer to say you "don't believe" he spent the money. If you "don't believe" that then you obviously believe high-priced lawyers are giving him their services which would mean you are even more retarded than you sound and in desperate need of medication.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-01   23:55:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

1. Actually I do believe he is indeed some of those things. Maybe most of them. And YOU are the one who said he was all of those things--I never made any of it up.

I was being sarcastic, and of course you believe that. You'll believe anything that casts Obama in a bad light. You're a firebreathing Obama hater.

2. As I said, the article was FAVORABLE to your boy. You do understand what the word means, don't you?

Favorable, and yet makes up lies about him, eh? Riiiight!

3. I have no idea what she has or doesn't have so of course I couldn't know why she has, or hasn't, done anything with this information you think she might have. And you still haven't answered the question unless you think it is an answer to say you "don't believe" he spent the money. If you "don't believe" that then you obviously believe high-priced lawyers are giving him their services which would mean you are even more retarded than you sound and in desperate need of medication.

Well, maybe you should wonder. Because she's being made to look silly. Lots of people have high-priced lawyers that do this and that for them. So what? Doesn't prove a thing.

Find proof that he was born in Kenya, Indonesia, on the moon, or whereever, and then we'll talk.

meguro  posted on  2009-04-02   0:28:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You are one of the dumbest people I have ever known and I have no interest whatsoever in talking to you. As I said, the article I mentioned was favorable to your communist and I have spent all the time since my last post hunting it. Here is an excerpt from it and a link to it. And the article is indeed favorable to your hero.

"...The White House regards the claims as an irritant and is not responding to questions about them, but lawyers for the Democratic National Committee and Mr Obama himself have spent considerable time and money combating a steady supply of lawsuits at every court level up to the Supreme Court. The exact cost to Mr Obama himself is not known..."

Barack Obama Fights Presidential Eligibility Claims

How much is "considerable time and money" for someone with millions of dollars and with access to lots more? And why would he spend "considerable time and money" when he could just produce the vault copy of his birth certificate for less than twenty dollars and almost no time involved? Are you really so retarded that you think everything is on the level when someone spends hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep a birth certificate hidden?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-02   0:41:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You are one of the dumbest people I have ever known and I have no interest whatsoever in talking to you.

Ad hominems will get you nowhere. If you'd like to end the discussion, fine.

"...The White House regards the claims as an irritant and is not responding to questions about them, but lawyers for the Democratic National Committee and Mr Obama himself have spent considerable time and money combating a steady supply of lawsuits at every court level up to the Supreme Court. The exact cost to Mr Obama himself is not known..."

The article is not clear on what these lawsuits entail. Frivolous lawsuits occur all the time, yet the defendants must still hire counsel to defend them against these lawsuits. So what? Again, this proves nothing.

How much is "considerable time and money" for someone with millions of dollars and with access to lots more? And why would he spend "considerable time and money" when he could just produce the vault copy of his birth certificate for less than twenty dollars and almost no time involved? Are you really so retarded that you think everything is on the level when someone spends hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep a birth certificate hidden?

Didn't you read this part of the article?

Officials in Hawaii said they had viewed Mr Obama's original certificate and confirmed it stated he was born in Honolulu on Aug 4, 1961. A certified version of the certificate released by his campaign last summer when the theory began circulating showed the same. Birth notices in Hawaii papers record a birth to his mother and father on the same day. But that has not stopped the theorists, who have been dubbed "the Birthers" and who see Mr Obama as a fifth columnist. Their accusations are often tinged with racism and antipathy to Islam, the religion of his father. During his campaigns Mr Obama faced an online rumour mill that he was a Muslim, though he has worshipped at a Christian church for 20 years.

May I ask why you doubt the above? You think the officials in Hawaii are lying about this?

It is ironic how you would use this article to somehow prove your case. Be all means let me know when that "smoking gun" about his citizenship shows up.

meguro  posted on  2009-04-02   1:13:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You are the one who started with the ad hominems, @$$hole.

#79. To: James Deffenbach, Rhino369 (#78)

my post to Rhino: Sure, everyone is stupid except for you Obama lovers. At least in your demented mind, such as it is.

Your reply to a post not addressed to you (@$$hole): No, the people who are really stupid are ones that call others "Obama lovers" because they refuse to buy into your groundless, far fetched, conspiracy theories about him. That's just too stupid for words.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-02   10:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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