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Title: Scandinavian runestone
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Published: Mar 29, 2009
Author: Scott Wolter
Post Date: 2009-03-29 23:16:08 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: Scandinavian runestone, 1362, Pre Columbus
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Hoax or history? On November 8, 1898, a Swedish immigrant farmer, Olof Ohman, and his ten-year-old son say they found a Scandinavian runestone, dated 1362, wedged in the roots of a tree in rural Minnesota. Ever since 1898, when Olof Ohman, a Swedish immigrant working his fields in what is now Douglas County, MN, found the 202-lb., mysteriously engraved stone tangled in the roots of an uprooted tree, controversy has raged over the artifact’s authenticity. The stone, dated 1362, soon proved how difficult the search for the truth can be—and raised eyebrows over the possibility that North European explorers predated Columbus in America. 
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#1. To: Original_Intent, Rotara (#0)
Thanks for the ping. Yes, there are a lot of anomalies that point at many cultures visiting North America in antiquity. One of the more recent discoveries is Kennewick Man. Discovered in Southeastern Washington State Kennewick Man is Caucasian not Mongol (a lot of Indian ancestors appear to have been Mongols). Kennewick Man is at least 10,000 years old. Needless to say that predates Columbus by a few years. The Great Lakes Copper Mines are another mystery pointing toward extensive pre-Columbian contacts with ancient Europe or Mesopotamia. While the Copper Mines (Isle Royale, Lake Superior) have been attributed to Amerinds as an attempt to explain it away, but the mines are thousands of years old and Amerinds were not known to mine copper - particularly in the large quantities that were mined i.e., boat loads - literally. In our PC don't think outside the box academia to mention this is to court being called racist, or "putting Indians down" or some other such nonsense. As well the Mandan Indian Tribe of Louisiana when first contacted by European Settlers and Traders had natural REDHEADS. There are other anomalies - things which do not fit the accepted academic viewpoint and so are thus sidestepped and avoided because they don't conform to what the already written books say. "Evidence be damned! That's the way it was cuz the Perfessor sez so."
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
That is the problem. Sadly that kind of thinking is actually more racist than searching for the truth. The monument called the Great Zimbabwe was attributed to whites because it was believed that black were incapable. I see no difference between "it must have come from whites" and "it must have come from Amerinds." Attributing anything solely based on race is by its very nature racist.
Agreed, and without reservation.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
History I believe. Too much evidence of other cultures floating around. Scandinavian, phoenician, chinese, etc. We are far from the truth and anything deviating from accepted truth is suppressed. I always wondered about Burrows Cave. He was always treated as a hoax, but where did all that gold come from.
I thought the Mandans were on the Missouri River, and were visited by Lewis and Clark. Or do you mean the Louisiana Territory/Purchase?
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
The Great Lakes Copper Mines are another mystery pointing toward extensive pre-Columbian contacts with ancient Europe or Mesopotamia. While the Copper Mines (Isle Royale, Lake Superior) have been attributed to Amerinds as an attempt to explain it away, but the mines are thousands of years old and Amerinds were not known to mine copper - particularly in the large quantities that were mined i.e., boat loads - literally. In our PC don't think outside the box academia to mention this is to court being called racist, or "putting Indians down" or some other such nonsense. As well the Mandan Indian Tribe of Louisiana when first contacted by European Settlers and Traders had natural REDHEADS. note to self. ManDANS REDHEADS: "....The “Lost Tribes” are definitely not lost. I have used the Tribe of Dan as a microcosm to represent all of Israel because Dan was the “pioneer” of Israel. Where Dan went, Israel always followed. The peculiar symbiosis of Dan with his Uncle Esau has intrigued me for years. When some of Dan left Egypt before their brothers were enslaved, [ bible.cc/john/8-33.htm ] I can see these lonesome, lost, and fearful people seeking their own kin in and around Mt. Seir, which is where Esau still remained at that time in history. From that moment on, a relationship began that never ended....." [Dan serpent/eagle; Esau eagle/red hair.] [some of Khazars had black hair, some red or blonde. "we are three of the tribes of Israel" God: I cast off three shepherds in one month because my soul abhorred them, and they abhorred me" - idolatry? Judges 18? Dan, Ephraim (not listed in Rev. 7)/Levi - "I will not cast off all of Levi"] "...Again, Numbers 26 might nullify this argument completely, with “Phoenicia” being Issachar, Dan, and parts of Asher and Zebulon. Some of Esau migrated to the interior of Asia, Mongolia itself being one of its tribes. Could others of Esau have gone immediately to ships and become the Phoenicia-Carthaginian nautical power while some traveled to the East, returning later to become present-day Turkey? [Khazars = "asiatics, mongols and turks"] This work could just as easily have been entitled “Tracing Israel.” Where Dan went, Israel also went. Dan went first, though, especially to America, and probably also to Greece, North Africa, Scandinavia, and Ireland. In some cases they went alone, while in other cases they went united. Today, Israel can be found in the Democracies of West Europe, Scandinavia, the British Isles, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Canada, and the United States. One of these Israelite tribes, the Tribe of Dan, is very much alive and well and is, perhaps even more so than any other Israelite tribe, strewn about the entire earth. We find them in Ireland, Wales, Scandinavia, and mixed in Europe with all the other Celtic people. The Irish, Welsh, British are a large part of America. Yes, even a large part of the British might be Dan. In The Tribes, we find that those we call “Saxons” were most likely Danites, or Dan mixed with Judah. Those we call “Angles” were most likely Judah, or .Judah mixed with Dan.(24) Dan, even from early times, rebelled a little but accomplished much. Dan had vision that some of the other Tribes lacked. He had imagination. What can be imagined can be achieved. Remnants of Dan are among some of the Amerindian tribes, Polynesia, and perhaps even in some jungle recesses of Peru. Alphabetical writing, art, sculpture, architectural innovations, ivory working, nautical power, even horsemanship, all owe more than a little to Dan and his kinsman, Esau. Like all the rest of us Israelites, Dan will have to be awakened from a long sleep and told who he really is. But when he does come to his senses, I believe that Eternal will find Dan to be a loyal, stalwart, optimistic, and dedicated child. ...." "...What further evidence might there be that Dan came to America? Gloria Stewart theorized that the Dene tribes (the name used for themselves by the Apache and other Athabaskans, i.e., Navajo) are derived from the Han tribe in China, thereby fitting in with traditional scholarship explaining the origin of many of the cultures in the western portion of America.(1) "...Apache (Dene (Dine) —from “Dan” —meaning “people”) (also includes Navajo) comes from “apachu” (Ponchteca — Mayan name for “trading people”), which is a Zuni word for “enemy.” Apaches also called themselves T’inde or lnde (a.k.a. Dene). They were late comers to America from Asia, from the time of Ghengis Khan’s Mongol escapades (1233- 1300) up to the 1400’s and even later. They were excellent horsemen. The same area of China where the red-headed and white people are buried is a high plateau and mountainous area containing a people (today) who are the best horsemen in Asia and who spend much of their lives on horses. [Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that maketh the rider's horse to fall backward] Is there a possibility these Apache and Navajo (Dene) peoples were influenced so much by Danites (who drifted eastward from their captivity in Assyria before turning and heading west) that they called themselves after that name? Israel, remember, from the time of Solomon, were horsemen and cavalry fighters. (See also next-to-last paragraph under “Dan in England and Europe.”) Note the Alibamu Indians’ similarity to the Hebrew word, “Oholibamah,” meaning “tent-dweller.” [hmmmm.....Japheth shall dwell in the tents of Shem...] “Mandan” is a Siouan word. Mandans called themselves “Numakik,” meaning “people.” There is some evidence that the Sioux people themselves were Danites from Ireland and Scandinavia. Many similarities exist, including their tall statures and their same sweat lodges. The Kensington Rune Stone is not a fake, contrary to what some archaeologists believe. The Arikara were Tanish (“original people”). Dan (“people”) and ish (the Semitic morpheme for “human being”). Rok (“crow,” “sparrowhawk,” or “bird people”); “Absaroke” is the Crow Indian name for themselves. “Rok” is a morpheme and is also the snake totem (same as Tribe of Dan). Note also “Tanith”: Patron saint of Carthaginian sailors. (Note Dan (Tan) and Esau/ Phoenicia) ...." "....Early reports from North America include reference to Samoset, the Wampanoag chief who walked out of the woods to greet the Pilgrims in almost perfect English. There are many references to Gaelic (Welsh) and Hebrew speakers who claimed to be able to communicate with the North American natives in their mother tongue. The Salishan (Flathead) tribes of the Northwest called themselves “Se-lic,” a name reminiscent of the Salic Franks of the time before Charlemagne, a time known as the “Migration of the Peoples.”(4) What is even more interesting is that a sub-tribe of these Flatheads called themselves “Tuadhu” (pronounced “Twathu”). This is the exact same name as the general proper name for Franks and other Teutonic tribes, all meaning, “The People.” Note also “Tuatha de Danaan.” Ida Jane Gallagher, in some interesting research, found that whites in Connecticut wanted Indian land for themselves and on April 24, 1729, negotiated with Chief Squantz of the Schaghticoke, a tribe of Algonquin lineage, for it. The deed was recorded on May 9,1729, and is deposited in the archives of the State Capitol in Hartford, Connecticut, today. The signatures (“marcks”) of the thirteen chiefs appeared to be a syllabary or alphabet. Dr. Barry Fell has linked them to Basque and Ogam, the Indian deed signatures being the first or first and second syllables of the chiefs’ names. Fell earlier had deciphered the Cypro-Minoan signatures of Abenaki chiefs on a 1729 treaty with the British in Nova Scotia, Algonkian signatures on the Nipomuck Indian deed to Sutton, Massachusetts, (1681), and others. Dr. Fell says that the Cree/Objibwa syllabary used today has many matches with ancient Basque inscriptions. Epigraphers and linguists are learning that Amerindians had writing systems long before Colonial times.(5) All these (above) have been possibilities of Dan and/or other Israelite tribes mixed in with (or having direct influence on) Amerindians. Briefly, can we find possible Esau-ites (Phoenicians) in America in Indian tribal names? Chitimacha (“man altogether red”) inhabited the Louisiana gulf Coast since 600 B.C.E. Fox (“Sauk-Fox”) (“Meskwakihug” or “Meskwakie” - “Red earth people”) (These are Muskogean.) Catawba (also Muskogean) called themselves “Issa” or “Esaw” (“people”). Note ish. Muskogean is of the Sioux linguistic stock. ....." Tracing Dan, part II http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/tracingdan6.html ================== Exodus 31:6 "And behold, I Myself have appointed with him Oholiab, the son of Achisamech of the tribe of Dan. And I have put wisdom in the heart of every ... bible.cc/exodus/31-6.htm 1 Kings 7:14 He was a widow's son from the tribe of Naphtali, World English Bible He was the son of a widow of the tribe of Naphtali, and his father ... Exodus 35:31 "And He has filled him with the Spirit of God, in wisdom, ... or she might originally be of the tribe of Dan, and have been first ... bible.cc/1_kings/7-14.htm ".....14. He was a widow's son of the tribe of Naphtali-In 2Ch 2:14 his mother is said to have been of the daughters of Dan. The apparent discrepancy may be reconciled thus: Hiram's mother, though belonging to the tribe of Dan, had been married to a Naphtalite, so that when married afterwards to a Tyrian, she might be described as a widow of the tribe of Naphtali. Or, if she was a native of the city Dan (Laish), she might be said to be of the daughters of Dan, as born in that place; and of the tribe of Naphtali, as really belonging to it. a worker in brass-This refers particularly to the works described in this chapter. But in 2Ch 2:13 his artistic skill is represented as extending to a great variety of departments. In fact, he was appointed, from his great natural talents and acquired skill, to superintend the execution of all the works of art in the temple......." The Lost Tribe of Dan Several obscure prophecies in the Bible point to the fact that the tribe of Dan ..... watch.pair.com/dan.html Tribe of Dan quotes & quotations. ... both he, and Aholiab, the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan.” Bible quotes ... thinkexist.com/quotes/with/keyword/tribe_of_dan/ "....The Skilled Craftsmen Exodus 31:1 Now the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “See, I have called by name Bezalel, the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah. 3 “I have filled him with the Spirit of God in wisdom, in understanding, in knowledge, and in all kinds of craftsmanship, 4 to make artistic designs for work in gold, in silver, and in bronze, 5 and in the cutting of stones for settings, and in the carving of wood, that he may work in all kinds of craftsmanship. 6 “And behold, I Myself have appointed with him Oholiab, the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan; and in the hearts of all who are skillful I have put skill, that they may make all that I have commanded you: 7 the tent of meeting, and the ark of testimony, and the mercy seat upon it, and all the furniture of the tent, 8 the table also and its utensils, and the pure gold lampstand with all its utensils, and the altar of incense, 9 the altar of burnt offering also with all its utensils, and the laver and its stand, 10 the woven garments as well, and the holy garments for Aaron the priest, and the garments of his sons, with which to carry on their priesthood; 11 the anointing oil also, and the fragrant incense for the holy place, they are to make them according to all that I have commanded you.” .....Matthew Henry's Whole Bible Commentary Chapter 31 God is here drawing towards a conclusion of what he had to say to Moses upon the mount, where he had now been with him forty days and forty nights; and yet no more is recorded of what was said to him in all that time than what we have read in the six chapters foregoing. In this, I. He appoints what workmen should be employed in the building and furnishing of the tabernacle (v. 1-11). II. He repeats the law of the sabbath, and the religious observance of it (v. 12-17). III. He delivers to him the two tables of the testimony at parting (v. 18). Verses 1-11 A great deal of fine work God had ordered to be done about the tabernacle; the materials the people were to provide, but who must put them into form? Moses himself was learned in all the learning of the Egyptians, nay, he was well acquainted with the words of God, and the visions of the Almighty; but he knew not how to engrave or embroider. We may suppose that there were some very ingenious men among the Israelites; but, having lived all their days in bondage in Egypt, we cannot think they were any of them instructed in these curious arts. They knew how to make brick and work in clay, but to work in gold and in cutting diamonds was what they had never been brought up to. How should the work be done with the neatness and exactness that were required when they had no goldsmiths or jewellers but what must be made out of masons and bricklayers? We may suppose that there were a sufficient number who would gladly be employed, and would do their best; but it would be hard to find out a proper person to preside in this work. Who was sufficient for these things? But God takes care of this matter also. I. He nominates the persons that were to be employed, that there might be no contest about the preferment, nor envy at those that were preferred, God himself having made the choice. 1. Bezaleel was to be the architect, or master workman, v. 2. He was of the tribe of Judah, a tribe that God delighted to honour; the grandson of Hur, probably that Hur who had helped to hold up Moses's hands (ch. 17), and was at this time in commission with Aaron for the government of the people in the absence of Moses (ch. 24:14); out of that family which was of note in Israel was the workman chosen, and it added no little honour to the family that a branch of it was employed, though but as a mechanic, or handicraft tradesman, for the service of the tabernacle. The Jews' tradition is that Hur was the husband of Miriam; and, if so, it was requisite that God should appoint him to this service, lest, if Moses himself had done it, he should be thought partial to his own kindred, his brother Aaron also being advanced to the priesthood. God will put honour upon Moses's relations, and yet will make it to appear that he takes not the honour to himself or his own family, but that it is purely the Lord's doing. 2. Aholiab, of the tribe of Dan, is appointed next to Bezaleel, and partner with him, v. 6. Two are better than one. Christ sent forth his disciples who were to rear the gospel tabernacle, two and two, and we read of his two witnesses. Aholiab was of the tribe of Dan, which was one of the less honourable tribes, that the tribes of Judah and Levi might not be lifted up, as if they were to engross all the preferments; to prevent a schism in the body, God gives honour to that part which lacked, 1 Co. 12:24. The head cannot say to the foot, I have no need of thee. Hiram, who was the head workman in the building of Solomon's temple, was also of the tribe of Dan, 2 Chr. 2:14. 3. There were others that were employed by and under these in the several operations about the tabernacle, v. 6. Note, When God has work to do he will never want instruments to do it with, for all hearts and heads too are under his eye, and in his hand; and those may cheerfully go about any service for God, and go on in it, who have reason to think that, one way or other, he has called them to it; for whom he calls he will own and bear out. II. He qualifies these persons for the service (v. 3): I have filled him with the Spirit of God; and (v. 6) in the hearts of all that are wise-hearted I have put wisdom. [chabad="wisdom, understanding, knowledge"] Note, 1. Skill in common arts and employments is the gift of God; from him are derived both the faculty and the improvement of the faculty. It is he that puts even this wisdom into the inward parts, Job 38:36. He teaches the husbandman discretion (Isa. 28:26), and the tradesman too; and he must have the praise of it. 2. God dispenses his gifts variously, one gift to one, another to another, and all for the good of the whole body, both of mankind and of the church. Moses was fittest of all to govern Israel, but Bezaleel was fitter than he to build the tabernacle. The common benefit is very much supported by the variety of men's faculties and inclinations; the genius of some leads them to be serviceable one way, of others another way, and all these worketh that one and the self-same Spirit, 1 Co. 12:11. This forbids pride, envy, contempt, and carnal emulation, and strengthens the bond of mutual love. 3. Those whom God calls to any service he will either find, or make, fit for it. If God give the commission, he will in some measure give the qualifications, according as the service is. The work, that was to be done here was to make the tabernacle and the utensils of it, which are here particularly reckoned up, v. 7, etc. And for this the persons employed were enabled to work in gold, and silver, and brass. When Christ sent his apostles to rear the gospel tabernacle, he poured out his Spirit upon them, to enable them to speak with tongues the wonderful works of God; not to work upon metal, but to work upon men; so much more excellent were the gifts, as the tabernacle to be pitched was a greater and more perfect tabernacle, as the apostle calls it, Heb. 9:11." Dan, the lostest of the Lost Sheep. further study: Bible Dictionary: Aholiab A man of the tribe of Dan, to whom the Lord gave wisdom to construct the ... the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan: and in the hearts of all that are ... scriptures.lds.org/en/bd/a/56?sr=1 MORMON The Tribe of Dan - Laura Knight-Jadczyk [1] But the case of the Tribe of Dan is special, and holds a clue for us in this matter ... of the tribe of DAN; and to all who are wise hearted I have given wisdom and ... One of the problems is, of course, that according to the Bible, ... http:// www.cassiopaea.org/cass/biblewho4.htm The Tribe of Dan An analysis of the genealogies in the Bible is very illuminating. ... [1] But the case of the Tribe of Dan is special, and holds a clue for us in this ... of the tribe of DAN; and to all who are wise hearted I have given wisdom and ... www.bibliotecapleyades.ne...r/esp_biblianazar_14d.htm Exodus 31 Wesley's Notes on the Bible. Aholiab of the tribe of Dan is appointed next to Bezaleel, ... 3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, ... Online Parallel Bible. wes.biblecommenter.com/exodus/31.htm The Secret History of the World and How to Get Out Alive: And How ... - Google Books Result by Laura Knight-Jadczyk, Patrick Riviere - 2006 - Science - 807 pages He is named, and his mother is designated as being of the tribe of Dan. ... of the tribe of Judah: And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, ... books.google.com/books?isbn=1897244169...
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
The Saga of Ancient Hebrew Explorers -- Who Really Discovered America? Did ancient Hebrews reach the shores of the North and South American ... What evidence is there for Hebrew and Israelite occupation of the Western ... hope-of-israel.org/hebinusa.htm Israelites in America. As long ago as 1913, author T. C. Johnston in his book Did The Phoenicians Discover ... They had in fact discovered, traded with, and even for a time made ... our people the increasing evidence of the pre-Columbian history of America, ... www.ensignmessage.com/archives/israelites.html
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#2. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)
#3. To: Original_Intent (#2)
In our PC don't think outside the box academia to mention this is to court being called racist, or "putting Indians down" or some other such nonsense.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#4. To: farmfriend (#3)
Attributing anything solely based on race is by its very nature racist.
#5. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)
#6. To: Original_Intent (#2)
As well the Mandan Indian Tribe of Louisiana when first contacted by European Settlers and Traders had natural REDHEADS.
#7. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#2)
One of the more recent discoveries is Kennewick Man. Discovered in Southeastern Washington State Kennewick Man is Caucasian not Mongol (a lot of Indian ancestors appear to have been Mongols). Kennewick Man is at least 10,000 years old. Needless to say that predates Columbus by a few years.
#8. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#7)
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