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Title: Alex Jones Has A Cow Over Jeff Rense
Source: Jeff Rense's My Space
URL Source: http://www.myspace.com/Jeff_Rense
Published: Mar 31, 2009
Author: Jeff Rense
Post Date: 2009-03-31 02:25:15 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Jeff, Rense, Alex, Jones
Views: 3808
Comments: 139

Following is Jeff Rense's explanation of his discontinuation on GCN following Alex Jones' explosion on the phone with him. I'll let the e-mail he was responding to and his own response tell the story:

Why Jeff is Moving to a New and Better Network

Dear Friends of Liberty and Free Speech... Following is a reply I sent to a long-time listener and thought you should be able to read it, too. It will answer the basic questions many have asked. Thank you, all, for your kindness and support. I am looking forward to working with the new networks which will be making major efforts to present the program on far more stations than the former network ever did. With best regards to all of my good Friends here at MySpace...

Jeff From: Dan > Subject: Jeff Rense fired >Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 2:57 PM Heard a rumor the Jeff Rense was fired from GCN because he posted an article that Alex Jones is a Zionist agent. I called GCN. Ted Andersen is not in today but the first person I talked to confirmed the rumor, and the second person said they couldn't talk about it. This is extremely disheartening for all Americans who value the first amendment. If Ted Andersen does not, then it is our duty to expose him. Dan

Hello Dan... Thank you for your concern. I was not 'fired' because I was never paid by GCN. I was letting them have use of my program in exchange for commercial minutes each hour.

This is all about Jones...who called me at home last Tuesday afternoon just past 1pm and threatened to "destroy" me (and my family) over the well-written story by Brother Nathanael Kapner researching and seeking to understand the reasons why Jones is, and has long been, pro-zionist and an unabashed apologist of zionist Israel and its genocide of Palestinians...and generally steers people away from AIPAC and the Rothschild City of London banking monolith which controls so much of the Western world. The story is available here at Real Jew News. Note how the article cites direct quotes from Jones' own PrisonPlanet message board. I also, as the world knows, always encourage and post legitimate rebuttals to stories.

Matter of fact, when I told Jones to stop threatening me on the phone, he maniacally (no exaggeration) roared in his guttural, Neanderthal voice: "I'm not 'threatening' you...I PROMISE you I will destroy you!!!" Never in my life have I been terrorized like that and it is my personal opinion that such behavior is mentally deranged and unquestionably dangerous.

While this took place, my partner heard him bellowing and raging and screaming on the phone and she was shocked and stunned...as am I. The many stories and allegations about his abuse and threatening of others in this business would seem to be accurate, at least as far as I am concerned. I have filed a formal police report against him for interstate terrorism and threats.

Within an hour or so of his phone call, Ted Anderson emailed me notification of 30 day cancellation of our broadcast agreement. Jones has bragged to me and others that he "owns Ted Anderson's ass"...Ted is a lap dog and did as he was ordered. Jones efforts to censor the news are clear and unquestionable.

Jones ordered that my live programs be blocked last Tuesday and GCN has been running encores the last four nights without so much as the common courtesy of advising me which program would be aired.

After all and in sum, it is tragically clear Jones has an agenda which does not include steadfast support of our Constitution, Freedom of Speech and Inquiry, and Freedom of the Press. As so many others have claimed over the years, he is too often an opportunistic, self-aggrandizing tyrant and hypocrite who seeks to promote himself over all other issues, while clearly serving the wishes of special interest groups. At this point in time, after doing my program for fifteen years, I find that I must regrettably agree with that assessment. William Cooper, indeed, raised some very serious issues about Jones just before he was shot to death.

Please know that I expect to be back doing Live Programs by Monday night on at least two new networks. There will be a formal announcement on the site this weekend.

Thank you, most kindly, for your concern.

Jeff

Note from Moderator: Brother Kapner explored the issue of Jones' wife's religion as it was reflected on Jones' own PrisonPlanet site message board and did so as a journalistic tool to try to understand why he is so pro-Zionist.

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That's right. But I think he was just 'detained' and they dropped the charges. But I could be wrong about that. He was also detained in the Canadian airport to keep him away from the Bilderberg meeting. He would have been detained longer, except that they called in the Canadian press who (unlike their American whores) swamped the airport questioning what was going on.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   13:02:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And the fact that he isn't arrested (in most cases) should tell you all you need to know -- but apparently not. Arresting him could be real counter- productive for the Feds. They are concerned about the potential backlash.

Having said that, he was arrested in New York. He is 'detained' from time-to- time.

Hi, Alex.

I think you should apologize to Jeff on the air. Can you do that Alex? And please don't tell me you are not Alex. Who else would care about a loud mouth Israeli apologetic?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-04   13:08:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The link doesn't work

The link works fine. I can't help it you can't play WMV files Alex. Ask Paul to help you out.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-04   13:11:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

ratcat said:

No, I don't always agree with what Jones says and he isn't always right. Yes, he makes mistakes. And no one on a radio program is going to please everyone. But Jones has done more to educate people -- mainly by interviewing excellent guests, over the years. And I think we should support his efforts, not work to destroy him, which is what the Feds would dearly love for us to do.

ratcat is absolutely right. and i have said the same thing when this issue first came up a few weeks ago. In the past, the only ones who obsessed so much on anti jones blogs were fringe anti ziojew sites with low readership, who could never hit the mainstream to share anti-new world order information. but now for some reason the obsession has become like a virus for some normal people here and we cant shake it.

IndieTX said:

Why are so many so defensive over this man? It is idol worship as seriously deranged as obamaphiles and dittoheads.

Now we have those who don't like alex's show, or his information, claiming that anyone who supports his work is engaged in 'hero worship'. While they, instead of fighting the satan worshiping police state side, obsess on infowars as if they have literal obsessive-compulsive disorder or a hiccup that will not go away. mind--obsessed and tormented every day on 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex 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I mean, seriously, WHAT the F-U-C-K has happened to their MINDS, what has happened to this forum?? Eeegads man.

welcome to: the twlight zone

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
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Artisan  posted on  2009-04-04   13:35:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He was also detained in the Canadian airport to keep him away from the Bilderberg meeting. He would have been detained longer, except that they called in the Canadian press who (unlike their American whores) swamped the airport questioning what was going on.

I hadn't heard about that. Good for the Canadian reporters.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-04   13:38:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Anyone that says they don't blame Israel for the USS Liberty attack, which no on denies they did do, while blaming Johnson, of which there is NO PROOF he had any thing whatsoever to do with it, is a shill for Israel. Anyone that is a shill for Israel, is a shill for a terrorist state.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-04   13:42:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
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James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-04   13:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

'... 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' ...

Uh... You forgot to say "All Hail"... JK... maybe...

"anti jones blogs were fringe anti ziojew sites with low readership, who could never hit the mainstream to share anti-new world order information. "

Is it because they are anti zionists that they cant hit the "mainstream"?

I dont know how to break this to you, but Zionism is a really really big part of the NWO. Small wonder the al-fucking-mighty "mainstream" eludes them. My guess is they dont even care about "mainstream" audiences. I sure as "hell" dont.

But if you want to go mainstream, I'm sure you can find someone to pay your price. You just have to ignore certain things. Like Jones does.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-04   13:50:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In terrorstorm he covers the uss liberty, he's had all the witnesses on. and johnson said he wants the ship at the _ _ bottom, which shows complicity with the jews. if anyone reads my posts they will see i dont give a shit what the jews thinka nd i am anti zionist. i am also very impressed with Bishop Richard Williamson, who the Pope recently reinstated after he was excommunicated for a decade. Williamson is demonized in the press ; they allege he 'denies the holocaust', that is a lie, he simply cites credible researchg that questions the 'six million gassed number'. Williamson is also very elequent in stating that 911 was an inside job.

That is very very big news, for a sitting Catholic bishop to preech on that. but to my knowledge Jones has never been featured on infowars or interviewed on alex's show. I could be wrong, but i havent seen or heard it,. I have heard a caller into alex show mention williamson, she was a traditionalist catholic and member of society of pius X. That fact was not the point of her call though, but when she mentioned williamson in passing jones did not reply to that.

i just posted something few days ago about how the Pope in the past announced that jews should never be allowed to hold public office. Lol!! there is A LOT of anti zionist stuff put out by the church; but instead of finding it interesting or even amusing, which it was, we had the rabid anti-Catholicism posts come about, completely ignoring the historical significance of such bold pronoucements. oh well. I thought it was interesting anyway.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
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Artisan  posted on  2009-04-04   14:01:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Is it because they are anti zionists that they cant hit the "mainstream"?

probably, or else they just dont have talent and arent skilled in working the system to their advantage. There are ways of getting coverage without being marginalized.

they dont even care about "mainstream" audiences. I sure as "hell" dont.

I think you do and you should. mainstream simply means the masses of muirkans who are ignorant and need to be woken up MAYDAY, MAYDAY, i know you care about humanity and i thought that was obviously your goal to help alert and awaken the general public. No?

Information wars, war requires tactics. you think jones listeners or those who hear him on coast to coast dont do their research and find out about the evil jews and the role zionism plays? of course they do.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-04-04   14:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Information wars, war requires tactics. you think jones listeners or those who hear him on coast to coast dont do their research and find out about the evil jews and the role zionism plays? of course they do.

No I dont think they do. Not as a majority. People are lazy and want to be spoonfed.

There seems to be a consensus here that in order to be in the mainstream, you must ignore zionism or risk being attacked by zionists.

Tell me, are zionists that badass? Are they that tough? Fuck no. THey bitch and moan a lot about antisemitism. BFD. But if you are sooooo worried about what these zionists rats think of you, then you will disregard this.

Run from a zionists and you are nothing but a pussy.

.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-04   14:16:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You completely missed ALL of my points. Go back and re-read your post to me, and my responses. I am tired of repeating and explaining myself when I was quite clear. Your one track mind has you blinded to what others say.

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IndieTX  posted on  2009-04-04   14:23:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The only ones obsessing on AJ are his mad followers..I don't give a rat's ass. You're all freeking nuts as far as I'm concerned. You discard everything everyone else says, you misconstrue it, you attribute things to it that are not true,..you're deluded. I've had enough already. Go back to your AJ Shrine and get lost.

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IndieTX  posted on  2009-04-04   14:26:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Anyone that says they don't blame Israel for the USS Liberty attack, which no on denies they did do, while blaming Johnson, of which there is NO PROOF he had any thing whatsoever to do with it, is a shill for Israel.

I don't expect you to understand this but We The People are supposed to have some control over our own government --- while we have no control over the Israel government. So if you look at it from the standpoint of TAKING ACTION, which Jones does and many of us do, then the target in that event (USS Liberty) was Pres. Johnson. He was the enabler of that act. He had to give the OK to the Israeli government. Otherwise, they would NEVER have done that to their cash cow and benefactor. Without Johnson, it would NEVER have happened. And Johnson hoped to use the deaths of those on the USS Liberty to justify further US aid and support to Israel.

It is for this very same reason that many of us in the 9/11 Truth Movement hold our own government responsible for what happened on that day --- because they enabled it. Unless NORAD took orders and stood down, it would never have happened. Unless the FBI ran interference and the CIA issued the visas and the FAA took orders, it would never have happened. But the Jew haters prefer to hold someone else accountable and give a pass to the criminals who run our government.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   14:27:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think you need to go back and read what I said. You obviously have a closed mind, not open to any other inputs. That's fine, you can do that. But don't expect everyone else to go out of their way to attempt to find some logic in what you say.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   14:29:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That was for you

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IndieTX  posted on  2009-04-04   14:30:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There seems to be a consensus here that in order to be in the mainstream, you must ignore zionism or risk being attacked by zionists.

I think the zionists need to be exposed for what they do. But often it is our own elected officials who enable and finance them to be able to do it. Fix that and you fix the zionists and their criminal actions. Your energies are directed in the wrong place. We all need to direct our energies to the prosecution of the elected and appointed criminals who run our government.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   14:33:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Anyone that says they don't blame Israel for the USS Liberty attack, which no on denies they did do, while blaming Johnson, of which there is NO PROOF he had any thing whatsoever to do with it, is a shill for Israel.

I forgot to add that the information concerning the involvement of Pres. Johnson was obtained by the USS Liberty survivors and presented on the Alex Jones show -- one of the few outlets to the public they have - a continuious open door for them to speak to millions of people in the US.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   14:38:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1386494

Watch the video "Loss of Liberty" By Howard Films Duration: 51 min 53 sec - 2006-05-10 www.ussliberty.org

"'Loss of Liberty' makes clear that then-President Lyndon Johnson conspired with Israel and its Israel-First supporters inside the US government to support the 'tragic accident' scheme. Johnson was bogged down at the time in the Vietnam war, and thought he needed Israel Lobby support. Still, Johnson's behaviour is as unforgivable now as it was then. "

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   14:43:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I forgot to add that the information concerning the involvement of Pres. Johnson was obtained by the USS Liberty survivors and presented on the Alex Jones show -- one of the few outlets to the public they have - a continuious open door for them to speak to millions of people in the US.

that's what i heard on more than one occasion. where is the info coming from that aj never said Israel was responsible?

christine  posted on  2009-04-04   14:47:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think the zionists need to be exposed for what they do. But often it is our own elected officials who enable and finance them to be able to do it. Fix that and you fix the zionists and their criminal actions. Your energies are directed in the wrong place. We all need to direct our energies to the prosecution of the elected and appointed criminals who run our government.

OK, lets get specific here.

Tell me how we can prosecute the "elected and appointed criminals who run our government." without first killing off (literally) their zionist masters, without whose support will not be allowed to be (s)elected.

Lets go from the theoretical to the practical. Right now. Tell me how it can be done.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-04   14:49:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes they are all partners in crime, whether zionist or not. It is very difficult to get attorney generals, grand juries to do their legal duty. The criminals have control of the Dept. of Justice.

Our only option is to take control of the voting process and oust the vast majority of Congress - before they make themselves completely irrelevant.

We can hope that they kill each other, in this financial collapse.

But eventually we have to find some honest people, who can't be bought (like Ron Paul or his associates), to guide us back to Constitutional government.

It doesn't look very hopeful, does it? And many of us, likely including you, have been very pessimistic about this for a long time.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   15:00:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

that's what i heard on more than one occasion. where is the info coming from that aj never said Israel was responsible?

RickyJ is just saying that AJ doesn't blame Israel for doing it. I think he took the comment out of context. AJ blames Pres Johnson more since he gave the OK for Israel to do it and prevented other ships from coming to the aid of the USS Liberty.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   15:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It doesn't look very hopeful, does it? And many of us, likely including you, have been very pessimistic about this for a long time.

Actually, I am an optimist. But that doesn't mean I will come out of this smelling like a rose. The way I see it, we all stand a good chance of ending up dead.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-04   15:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I mean, seriously, WHAT the F-U-C-K has happened to their MINDS, what has happened to this forum?? Eeegads man.

I stopped asking why and just put (most) of them on bozo so my posting experience can remain somewhat pleasant. ;-) Small insignificant people don't waste my time anymore.

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Rotara  posted on  2009-04-04   15:25:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Actually, I am an optimist. But that doesn't mean I will come out of this smelling like a rose. The way I see it, we all stand a good chance of ending up dead.

LOL! We agree on that. If I wasn't an optimist, I wouldn't have bothered to try to educate people over the several years. But, we may pay a big price for it.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   15:25:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

johnson said he wants the ship at the _ _ bottom, which shows complicity with the jews.

Yeah, but they were....Joooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos ! Who cares that it takes an enemy within to sleep with an enemy without in these cases. The Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos man !!

Keep up with the devil inspired mantra plz. ;-)

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Rotara  posted on  2009-04-04   15:27:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

AJ blames Pres Johnson more since he gave the OK for Israel to do it and prevented other ships from coming to the aid of the USS Liberty.

http://www.gtr5.com/ is the survivors memorial website. Can you find anything in there regarding that?

Good luck...

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-04   15:34:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

RickyJ is just saying that AJ doesn't blame Israel for doing it. I think he took the comment out of context. AJ blames Pres Johnson more since he gave the OK for Israel to do it and prevented other ships from coming to the aid of the USS Liberty.

When the focus is aimed at the enemy without instead of the enemy within, you have to wonder. IMO

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Rotara  posted on  2009-04-04   15:41:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

people, who can't be bought (like Ron Paul or his associates

Yeah ron paul who says it's ''ludicrous and preposterous' that government could have been involved in 9/11 and that fema camps don't exist. when he is the best spokesman for liberty and our best elected rep, which I believe he is, then we are in trouble.

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Artisan  posted on  2009-04-04   15:42:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

OUCH !

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Rotara  posted on  2009-04-04   15:42:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

havent you heard? the new world order doesnt matter anymore, alex jones is the biggest enemy, and the biggest problem the country has nowdays. LOL!

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
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Artisan  posted on  2009-04-04   15:43:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

LOL

Yeah, another reason the Internets are somewhat a waste of time.

For every serious and 'for real' poster like you - there's probably 1,000 morans like these stoooopid twits.

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Rotara  posted on  2009-04-04   15:46:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Can you find anything in there regarding that?

The website and video isn't about AJ. You likely missed my above comment #113 to RickyJ concerning this subject.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   15:47:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When the focus is aimed at the enemy without instead of the enemy within, you have to wonder.

Yes that is the focus of some people. And in so doing they actually play into the hands of the very people who they despise - since not much of anything can be accomplished to resolve the problem when the focus is on people over whom you have no control. That is what makes me suspicious of some of those who share that view.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   15:51:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

well said

bump

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Rotara  posted on  2009-04-04   15:54:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah ron paul who says it's ''ludicrous and preposterous' that government could have been involved in 9/11 and that fema camps don't exist. when he is the best spokesman for liberty and our best elected rep, which I believe he is, then we are in trouble.

I think we have to have some appreciation for Ron Paul's position. He has narrowed his focus to that one area where he thinks he can do the most good for his country: abolishing the Fed. Any subject outside of this area, he will give short shift. He cannot accomplish anything by bogging himself down in controversy about 9/11 or FEMA camps -- however, unfortunate that may be. Right now, he has the greatest opportunity in recent history to expose the Fed for what it is. Once the American people grasp that one concept, the door is opened to all kinds of possibilities to restore Justice.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   15:56:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Heard a rumor the Jeff Rense was fired from GCN because he posted an article that Alex Jones is a Zionist agent.

In your opinion, how is Jones and Ted Anderson supposed to respond to this kind of action? Are they supposed to do nothing and wait to see what Rense does for an encore? There was nothing surprising about what Anderson did.

This kind of PUBLIC back-biting is what Jones has complained about and to which he is now just resigned to suing the perpetrators to get them off his back.

If someone on the network has a problem (and I doubt whether this was Rense's real problem) then they should be talking privately to the appropriate parties before they take action which is guaranteed to provoke harsh response.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   16:45:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh' c'mon. He's a Radio Personality. If he has a blind spot whether intentional or not that needs to be known.

The article was not written by Jeff which was an article written by Brother Nathanael. It raised some interesting and valid points which have been raised by others. Jeff Rense DID NOT accuse Jones of being a Zionist agent but the article suggested it as a possibility. The article brought out the fact that Jones wife is Jewish and that this could be creating a blind spot whether intentional or not. Jeff Rense is unafraid of is controversy and he will put up links to articles raising points which need to be examined and their merit determined. Jeff did not accuse Jones of being a Zionist Agent. He did not comment on the article but only posted a link to it. Here is a link to the article that created the controversy. I personally have defended Alex Jones on this forum and have argued against simplistic "the Jews dood it all" line of reasoning. My personal opinion is that Israel is a Cat's Paw of the Zionist Elite headed by the Rothschilds et. al., ... However, the article does raise points which should be examined - even if they are dismissed in the end.

Alex Jones's reaction was interesting to say the least. Had he wanted to rebut the article Jeff would no doubt have published the rebuttal as he presents both sides when appropriate.

The Mad Dog reaction of Jones was that of someone caught who is having a fit at being caught.

Ted Anderson is not a disinterested party. Alex Jones is what made GCN profitable and not something Ted had to subsidize out of his other business earnings. So, when Alex speaks Ted Obeys. It is nothing more complicated than that.

If Jones is another Rush Limbaugh in Patriot Drag that needs to be exposed. If he is not then it needs to be examined and repudiated convincingly as a false datum.

I draw no firm conclusion although I lean toward Alex being legit (I do have questions though), but with a blind spot because of his wife. Originally, I read, posted, and disclaimed any agreement with the article. If you read my post following you can see that.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-05   0:23:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hi, Alex.

I think you should apologize to Jeff on the air. Can you do that Alex? And please don't tell me you are not Alex. Who else would care about a loud mouth Israeli apologetic?

America is a nation where even obvious frauds and hucksters have millions of fans and many are only too happy to send money to the profiteers and pickpockets.

We're also a nation that never sought justice for the assassinations of John or Robert Kennedy or Dr King because our "leaders" thought that we wouldn't be served by the truth. (The govt admits this much. The implications of this are shocking because it also means that govt has something to hide)

And, of course the "generation in charge" then were people who followed all govt orders, including meatless Fridays and "hate Japs and Krauts" when encouraged to do so. Questioning the govt was something that only the lowest sort (like Julius and Ethyl who were executed and Ezra Pound who spent 13 years in an institution) dared to do.

And, now with 68 percent of the federal budget earmarked for entitlements I see fearful people who know the truth but don't dare speak up lest they lose their share of money, knowing that those who earned it and had it taken from them will never see a dime of it and hoping that it doesn't collapse before the corrupt recipients die and no longer have any need for it.

America is thoroughly compromised and the symbols that we held dear stand for nothing but nostalgia now.

If the people who still have principles can endure (what I fear is in store) then perhaps they'll be able to join with like minded others and start over in some region claimed for themselves someday.

But, any dream of a revolution to restore America's former greatness is a long shot, like betting on a horse that starts from a kneeling position. If for no other reason there are too many people whose brains are mush and they'd have to be ordered about like children and reeducated, and this fact alone would preclude any restoration of the freedoms we once believed America stood for.

I mean, think about it. If your "freedom zone" happened to be peopled with a majority of Pat Robertson or Alex Jones groupies, (or some other charismatic loudmouthed snake oil profiteer) guess who'd be your first president?

Americans know that the official fairie tales about Pearl Harbor, the assassinations, the Gulf Of Tonkin and even 9/11 are bullshit. But, after countless thousands of hours of TV and film "programming" they are fearful of the tragic ends that troublemakers always seem to meet. And, many others are kept in the chute on the way to the shearing room by religious and political leaders, and none are taught to question authority or analyze information or to even see when a self styled rebel leader has the effect of pacifying them.

It's an established fact that the CIA has control over numerous print and TV journalists, but Americans cannot tell us which are 'assets' and not to be believed.

Nor do they really want to know.

And each 'asset' has a certain targeted group that he/she is supposed to saturate with info and demoralize/neutralize, depending on just how much the targets wish to think "outside the box" and regard themselves as independent thinkers.

Americans are silly enough to believe that the "intel community" only controls establishment propaganda (remember the "Black Panther comic book" that was supposed to show little bruthas how to murder police officers that was actually the FBI's COINTEL program? It's alive and well) but how many Americans recognize self styled anti govt "leaders" that are obviously not what they claim to be?

The same Americans that cannot recognize (or are indifferent to) CIA assets on CBS, ABC or FOX obviously wouldn't have a clue that they're being led by a sheep dipped operative posing as a patriot leader. For instance, when Bo Gritz visited Randy Weaver and served as a mediator between Weaver and the government was he a constitutional patriot or still CIA? He was a third-party presidential candidate at the time. Would a true anti govt leader have been allowed to visit Weaver? (ANSWER; NO, they were all either murdered or framed into prison, i.e.Gordon Kahl and Leonard Peltier)

What does that tell us about Bo Gritz, third party candidates and "anti govt documentary film makers"? Are they all what they say they are just because they talk the talk?

Those who say that Randy Weaver "trusts Alex Jones" should be reminded that Weaver should have kicked Bo Gritz in the balls and sent him back to report to his handlers, but Weaver was just a dumb hillbilly who believed a bunch of wild-eyed Jeebus nonsense, and despite ample evidence of our govt's brutal policies he didn't know that his family would likely be murdered if he failed to respond to the federals summons and later arrest warrant after the govt promised to frame him and then made good on it.

In fact the poor man didn't understand that cutting a shotgun barrel a mere fraction of an inch too short for an ATF undercover after he had frustrated the govt that was trying to leverage him into becoming an informant was a fatal mistake. Of course it doesn't matter if Weaver "trusts" Jones because Weaver will never take up arms or even advocate the overthrow of the govt. All the fight that was in him is gone now, and he's probably made his peace with the govt that murdered his wife and son and decided to fight from the speaker's podium while accepting honorariums for his appearances.

I'm guessing that many of these poor lost souls who are "Jonesin' for leadership (or more precisely for infotainment) aren't any better at recognizing "govt assets" than Weaver is. Not that it matters because like Weaver they aren't ever going to do anything that would involve sticking their heads above the trench line anyway.

Several of his supporters have all but said, "So what if Alex Jones is a controlled asset? He's providing us with information!"

And, I suppose that if they never intend to engage the enemy anyway then charisma is very important part of their information stream. Otherwise it could be as boring as reading books by Eustace Mullins, Frédéric Bastiat, Martin Beckman and others whose principles and discipline would immediately alert them to a skunk in their chicken coops.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-04-05   2:37:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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