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Title: Alex Jones Has A Cow Over Jeff Rense
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URL Source: http://www.myspace.com/Jeff_Rense
Published: Mar 31, 2009
Author: Jeff Rense
Post Date: 2009-03-31 02:25:15 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Jeff, Rense, Alex, Jones
Views: 3759
Comments: 139
Following is Jeff Rense's explanation of his discontinuation on GCN following Alex Jones' explosion on the phone with him. I'll let the e-mail he was responding to and his own response tell the story: Why Jeff is Moving to a New and Better Network Dear Friends of Liberty and Free Speech... Following is a reply I sent to a long-time listener and thought you should be able to read it, too. It will answer the basic questions many have asked. Thank you, all, for your kindness and support. I am looking forward to working with the new networks which will be making major efforts to present the program on far more stations than the former network ever did. With best regards to all of my good Friends here at MySpace... Jeff From: Dan > Subject: Jeff Rense fired >Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 2:57 PM Heard a rumor the Jeff Rense was fired from GCN because he posted an article that Alex Jones is a Zionist agent. I called GCN. Ted Andersen is not in today but the first person I talked to confirmed the rumor, and the second person said they couldn't talk about it. This is extremely disheartening for all Americans who value the first amendment. If Ted Andersen does not, then it is our duty to expose him. Dan This is all about Jones...who called me at home last Tuesday afternoon just past 1pm and threatened to "destroy" me (and my family) over the well-written story by Brother Nathanael Kapner researching and seeking to understand the reasons why Jones is, and has long been, pro-zionist and an unabashed apologist of zionist Israel and its genocide of Palestinians...and generally steers people away from AIPAC and the Rothschild City of London banking monolith which controls so much of the Western world. The story is available here at Real Jew News. Note how the article cites direct quotes from Jones' own PrisonPlanet message board. I also, as the world knows, always encourage and post legitimate rebuttals to stories. Matter of fact, when I told Jones to stop threatening me on the phone, he maniacally (no exaggeration) roared in his guttural, Neanderthal voice: "I'm not 'threatening' you...I PROMISE you I will destroy you!!!" Never in my life have I been terrorized like that and it is my personal opinion that such behavior is mentally deranged and unquestionably dangerous. While this took place, my partner heard him bellowing and raging and screaming on the phone and she was shocked and stunned...as am I. The many stories and allegations about his abuse and threatening of others in this business would seem to be accurate, at least as far as I am concerned. I have filed a formal police report against him for interstate terrorism and threats. Within an hour or so of his phone call, Ted Anderson emailed me notification of 30 day cancellation of our broadcast agreement. Jones has bragged to me and others that he "owns Ted Anderson's ass"...Ted is a lap dog and did as he was ordered. Jones efforts to censor the news are clear and unquestionable. Jones ordered that my live programs be blocked last Tuesday and GCN has been running encores the last four nights without so much as the common courtesy of advising me which program would be aired. After all and in sum, it is tragically clear Jones has an agenda which does not include steadfast support of our Constitution, Freedom of Speech and Inquiry, and Freedom of the Press. As so many others have claimed over the years, he is too often an opportunistic, self-aggrandizing tyrant and hypocrite who seeks to promote himself over all other issues, while clearly serving the wishes of special interest groups. At this point in time, after doing my program for fifteen years, I find that I must regrettably agree with that assessment. William Cooper, indeed, raised some very serious issues about Jones just before he was shot to death. Please know that I expect to be back doing Live Programs by Monday night on at least two new networks. There will be a formal announcement on the site this weekend. Thank you, most kindly, for your concern. Jeff
Hello Dan... Thank you for your concern. I was not 'fired' because I was never paid by GCN. I was letting them have use of my program in exchange for commercial minutes each hour.
Note from Moderator: Brother Kapner explored the issue of Jones' wife's religion as it was reflected on Jones' own PrisonPlanet site message board and did so as a journalistic tool to try to understand why he is so pro-Zionist.
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#1. To: christine, Peppa, farmfriend, Rotara, Cynicom, CadetD, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, Kamala, HOUNDDAWG, James Deffenbach, Critter, IndieTX, ItIstoolate, ratcat, Jethro Tull, bluegrass, lodwick, angle, FormerLurker, RickyJ, litus, PSUSA, Artisan, all (#0)
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""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
This is some mighty tasty Crow I'm chewin' on. Care for a bite?
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Would he race to the hospital if his mother-in-law was dying?
A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out. As I see it there is a range of possibilities here: Alex Jones is engaged in Disinfo/PsyOPs. Jeff Rense is engaged in Disinfo/PsyOps. Neither is engaged in Disinfo/PsyOps but operate differently and came into conflict because of that. Alex Jones, who is protective of his family, over-reacted. Alex Jones is an egomaniac who cannot stand being put in the spotlight in a negative way. I have listened to Jeff Rense since just about his first program and I have never caught him in what I would consider and intentional lie. He has been wrong a few times, but I have never known him to tell other than what he believes to be the truth. I also see no reason, at this point, to doubt that what he is stating is accurate. It will be interesting to follow this and see where the chips fall. Some of the guests he has had lately, Webster Tarpley comes to mind, were on Jeff's program long before Alex Jones picked them up. I can understand Ted Anderson's behavior knowing that GCN was long a drain on his wallet and Alex Jones has made it profitable so his reaction is to protect his wallet. The question that this current situation brings back up is: Is Alex Jones other than what he pretends to be?
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
This undoubtedly was a move by Alex to prevent Jeff from talking about the scene on the air before he could get his program off GCN. That implies that Alex realized that he had shot himself in the foot. A lot of Alex's listeners also listen to Jeff and vice versa. So, no doubt he wanted to prevent them from hearing of his actions.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Matter of fact, when I told Jones to stop threatening me on the phone, he maniacally (no exaggeration) roared in his guttural, Neanderthal voice: "I'm not 'threatening' you...I PROMISE you I will destroy you!!!" Never in my life have I been terrorized like that and it is my personal opinion that such behavior is mentally deranged and unquestionably dangerous. Well, well..looks like Brother Kapner, Jeff Rense (and Bill Cooper rip) struck a nerve.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace ALAS, BABYLON. It's over. Last one here turn out the lights.
So it would seem. I still recall the dust-up between Art Bell and Jeff - Jeff's still standing.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
This guy is a 4um member. He also is a member of GoldisMoney. I think I might have told him about that site. He hasn't posted here in a while though.
God is always good!
If it wasn't for Jones tap dancing around the zionism thing, I'd ALMOST say he was just being careless with what he says and prints on his sites. But the BS articles, while few, are ALWAYS related to either gun control (like that article about the UN taking our guns away when firearms weren't even mentioned. I posted it here) or they related to mass deaths (the latest dust-up over the "mass graves") or something else that really is a very imminent threat and is sure to get a persons attention. It's like there are 2 different levels of articles, one that is true and is verifiable to suck people in (and that is the majority of articles), and the other is complete BS but it provokes an angry reaction. Someone here said "there is no room for lies in the truth movement", and he or she was right. Now, does Rense do the same thing? His internally links articles are suspect too. They are hardly ever sourced. I usually don't read them. .
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Why can't we get the "enemy" to fight like this?
??? If you mean that you were wrong about this, don't worry about it. I never gloat. Because I am wrong sometimes too and I dont appreciate gloating.
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I checked infowars for mention of Kashoggi. www.infowars.com/lawsuit-...for-september-11-attacks/ In fact, the CIA led the effort to collect charity money to fund al-Qaeda. “On American soil, the CIA used Muslim charities and mosque communities as fronts for recruitment of fighters in their secret war against the USSR,” Giles Foden wrote for the Guardian on September 15, 2001, citing research by author John Cooley (Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism). “In Unholy Wars, Cooley provides convincing evidence that Arab businessman and arms merchant Adnan Kashoggi had dealings with bin Laden’s father, receiving a $50,000 cheque from him. Oil broker Roy Furmark, Cooley says, provided a link between his CIA friend Casey and Kashoggi, introducing the latter to Manuchehr Ghorbanifar,” the notorious Iranian middleman who became a central figure in the arms for hostages and funds for Contras deals with Iran. That was the only mention of him in an article. The rest I got a 404 error or it was in article comments. If that snippet is true, and it must be since it was posted on his site (/sarcasm) and Kashoggi owns GCN, then I am surprised this article was left on his site.
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I had noticed the "encore" programs while scanning the 9:00 PM time slot never imagining it was due to a 'spat" between Jones and Rense. At this point it's hard to doubt that a "spat" has taken place and it's easier to see Jones as the one likely to raise his voice to scream threats than Rense, especially if Jones saw the publishing of Brother Nathaniel's article as threatening to his family or a betrayal by Rense or both. (That doesn't make it right, but people have been known to argue). Jones is probably stressed out too, which makes it easier to believe Rense is likely telling the truth. That being said, I don't know how much Jones had to do with Rense's GCN relationship, but have a gut feeling he has as much pull as anyone could have at GCN. I wouldn't necessarily make any judgments regarding either hosts patriotism based upon this incident. Both men probably have somewhat inflated egos too. Interstate terrorism is a charge I wouldn't expect to see leveled by anyone (within the freedom movement) that was simply a party to an argument over the phone, nor would I expect a respected host to be removed like Rense was for the same causes, an argument. Two wrongs don't make a right. Rense should have declined the article simply because he was on the same network as Alex Jones. He could have passed it on to someone else. All of the above being said, nothing good can come of this and I think everyone involved is wrong to some degree. As of late, I have had some questions regarding the high volume of CNP members on Jones' program, all of which are committed to support for the State of Israel and some are unsavory to say the least. I'm not saying that I have ever felt that Jones was overly protective of the Israeli State, as he seemed to address all perps equally according to their actual involvment.
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
Rense is ok. But his alien article stuff is a load of crap.
libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=8222 Saudi gave Al ciadha $500 Mill so let's attack Iraq
It's not about this, IMO. The personalities involved dont matter, the way I see it. Although it might be responsible for this particular incident, it goes deeper. It seems that people are being distracted by this clash of personalities. It's about his (or their) articles lies and distortions, mixed in with the truth. People say "he(they) encourage others to research this for themselves". How many do that? What happens when someone actually does this, and they find out that the article in question is total BS? They get called names, that's what happens. People have posted things about AJ, but it was seen as a personal attack on him. Even as a COORDINATED attack because of the timing of the release of his Omamessiah movie. It's not personal. And Rense might be doing the same kinds of things, I don't know.
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Never mind ;) .
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Colonels. Nobody less than a Colonel gets to fly one. But, they do let Navy Rear Admirals operate the refreshment galley in one. ;-)
_________________________________________________________________________ I thought I deleted that before anyone saw it... LOL! Oh well. Sometimes I say too much. .
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I'm all for full disclosure of all aircraft that have ever been flown, and for full disclosure of our Foreign Technology Division.
_________________________________________________________________________ I'm a casual observer, haven't listened to either man's show. That seems the most likely explanation to me.
A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out. There is NO DOUBT this is true. Other than that, only the two parties involved know what really happened, although both claim to have witnesses.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Bottom line: The New World Order is loving all of this! They are hoping that people drop both Rense & Jones and go back to listening to Fox and CNN.
What is Liberty Post saying about this?
I don't believe that there's any war on for their minds.
I don't believe that there's any war on for their minds. Life was much simpler before the internet. I miss Walter Cronkite. / sarc.
Like the Birdman, he's Practically Jewish by Osmosis™, but in the Rahmbo way. I honestly don't give a shit that he doesn't talk up Jews and/or Zionism. Neither does that fine gentleman Jared Taylor.
A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out. Rense is an asshole. If anyone tried to drag my wife through the mud like that, I wouldn't call him and yell at him, I'd knock on his door and kick his ugly ass all over creation.
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#3. To: Original_Intent (#0)
"I'm not 'threatening' you...I PROMISE you I will destroy you!!!"
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.
#4. To: All (#0)
#5. To: All (#0)
Jones ordered that my live programs be blocked last Tuesday and GCN has been running encores the last four nights without so much as the common courtesy of advising me which program would be aired.
#6. To: Original_Intent, psusa (#0)
(Edited)
After all and in sum, it is tragically clear Jones has an agenda which does not include steadfast support of our Constitution, Freedom of Speech and Inquiry, and Freedom of the Press. As so many others have claimed over the years, he is too often an opportunistic, self-aggrandizing tyrant and hypocrite who seeks to promote himself over all other issues, while clearly serving the wishes of special interest groups. At this point in time, after doing my program for fifteen years, I find that I must regrettably agree with that assessment. William Cooper, indeed, raised some very serious issues about Jones just before he was shot to death.
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#7. To: IndieTX (#6)
Well, well..looks like Brother Kapner, Jeff Rense (and Bill Cooper rip) struck a nerve.
#8. To: Original_Intent (#0)
Brother Kapner
#9. To: Original_Intent, IndieTX, All (#4)
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#11. To: Original_Intent, IndieTx, PSUSA, RickyJ, Prefrontal Vortex (#1)
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#13. To: Itistoolate (#11)
#14. To: PSUSA (#12)
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#15. To: Original_Intent (#4)
what I would consider and intentional lie
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#17. To: noone222 (#14)
#18. To: Old Friend (#15)
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#19. To: PSUSA (#18)
And who knows if they were flown by aliens or USAF majors.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#20. To: X-15 (#19)
#21. To: PSUSA (#20)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#22. To: Original_Intent (#4)
Alex Jones is an egomaniac who cannot stand being put in the spotlight in a negative way.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.
#23. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#22)
Alex Jones is an egomaniac
#24. To: Original_Intent, Rotara (#5)
A lot of Alex's listeners also listen to Jeff and vice versa. So, no doubt he wanted to prevent them from hearing of his actions.
#25. To: Original_Intent (#7)
#26. To: TwentyTwelve (#25)
What is Liberty Post saying about this?
#27. To: lodwick (#26)
What is Liberty Post saying about this?
#28. To: Sam Houston (#23)
(Edited)
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.
#29. To: Original_Intent (#0)
(Edited)
This guy may be prowling 4um: |
Morehead City Concerts Summer 2009
#30. To: Original_Intent (#4)
hmmm... Alex Jones makes the New World Order very nervous. Obama is not happy about AJ's "Obama Deception" DVD.
The question that this current situation brings back up is: Is Alex Jones other than what he pretends to be?
#31. To: Critter (#29)
Sure you would, pencil neck, sure you would.
#32. To: Critter (#29)
Yeah, like someone would actually marry you. Maybe a blind woman would.
If anyone tried to drag my wife through the mud like that...
#33. To: TwentyTwelve (#27)
Isn't that the truth.
Life was much simpler before the internet.
#34. To: noone222, christine, TwentyTwelve, Rotara, Wudidiz, all (#14)
I still think there is missing data that we don't have. Since I listen to both programs, as time permits, I noted that after JR moved to GCN from Talk Radio Network, that Alex Jones began a regular monthly slot on Jeff's show under the title "Report From Prison Planet" which was a good item as they balanced each other well as Jeff is laid back and thoughtful so acted as a balance wheel for Jones. Jones abruptly canceled after about 3 or 4 months citing too heavy of a work schedule and that he was cutting back. It didn't ring true then or now, and I think there was something going on as far back as about 6 or 8 months ago. I think there was already bad blood but I do not know why (at this point). This I suspect is because Jones is a heavy hitter and Jeff is fighting back with the available tools. Assuming Jeff's account to be true I think he had reason to be fearful and thus hit back with what was available to bring Jones to heel. If I had an Alex Jones raging semi-incoherently over the phone I think I would be inclined to take whatever measures necessary to force him to cease and desist. I think Alex Jones reaction is interesting and have not fully analyzed the available data so I am withholding any conclusions at this point, but I do find Jones reaction interesting. Is he being protective of his family or is he trying to keep something from being publicly examined? The latter seems more likely the more I think about it. So, the question of course is what and why? Knowing the what would probably suggest the why.
...That being said, I don't know how much Jones had to do with Rense's GCN relationship, but have a gut feeling he has as much pull as anyone could have at GCN. I wouldn't necessarily make any judgments regarding either hosts patriotism based upon this incident. Both men probably have somewhat inflated egos too.
...Interstate terrorism is a charge I wouldn't expect to see leveled by anyone (within the freedom movement) that was simply a party to an argument over the phone, nor would I expect a respected host to be removed like Rense was for the same causes, an argument.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#35. To: Critter, noone222, Wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, christine, all (#29) (Edited)
Having read the article, and posted it here, that started the brouhaha I don't see it as an attack on Jones' Wife or family. I saw it as an attempt to understand why Jones is very careful with the subject of Zionism and Israel. I think Jeff's putting it up on his site was more a matter of his policy of exploring all angles and operating off of complete data and let the chips fall where they may. I suspect, but cannot prove, that Jeff Rense is himself Jewish. He is very careful on one subject i.e., he will not discuss on air his own personal religious beliefs, avoids the subject like the plague, and I suspect that it is because, whether observant or not, that he has Jewish roots. This would also explain why the Zionists are careful in their attacks on him as it would not do for their propaganda purposes to bring that out. That is speculation but it is based on listening to him over the years and is a general impression based more on what he won't talk about.
Rense is an asshole. If anyone tried to drag my wife through the mud like that, I wouldn't call him and yell at him, I'd knock on his door and kick his ugly ass all over creation.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#36. To: Original_Intent (#0)
This is all like a rerun. Don't you all remember the divorce of Alex Jones and John Stadtmiller (RBN) a few years back? I beleive it is a move to separate the shows so they can't shut them all down.
#37. To: Original_Intent (#35)
If Rense is jewish, so what? There;s nothing wrong with being jewish in and of itself, IMO. But it's the parasitical zionists that have attached themselves to the jews is the problem.
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#38. To: Original_Intent (#0)
Dear Friends of Liberty and Free Speech... Following is a reply I sent to a long-time listener and thought you should be able to read it, too. It will answer the basic questions many have asked. Thank you, all, for your kindness and support. I am looking forward to working with the new networks which will be making major efforts to present the program on far more stations than the former network ever did. With best regards to all of my good Friends here at MySpace...
#39. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#22)
I'm generally distrustful of people that walk around in public with a bullhorn.
#40. To: bluegrass (#39)
Accentuate the positive, why dont'cha.
A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.
#41. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#40)
I tend to trust thoughtful people that don't try to jerk anyone's chain via emotional manipulation. The big blue room is lovely today.
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