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Title: Alex Jones Has A Cow Over Jeff Rense
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URL Source: http://www.myspace.com/Jeff_Rense
Published: Mar 31, 2009
Author: Jeff Rense
Post Date: 2009-03-31 02:25:15 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Jeff, Rense, Alex, Jones
Views: 3778
Comments: 139
Following is Jeff Rense's explanation of his discontinuation on GCN following Alex Jones' explosion on the phone with him. I'll let the e-mail he was responding to and his own response tell the story: Why Jeff is Moving to a New and Better Network Dear Friends of Liberty and Free Speech... Following is a reply I sent to a long-time listener and thought you should be able to read it, too. It will answer the basic questions many have asked. Thank you, all, for your kindness and support. I am looking forward to working with the new networks which will be making major efforts to present the program on far more stations than the former network ever did. With best regards to all of my good Friends here at MySpace... Jeff From: Dan > Subject: Jeff Rense fired >Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 2:57 PM Heard a rumor the Jeff Rense was fired from GCN because he posted an article that Alex Jones is a Zionist agent. I called GCN. Ted Andersen is not in today but the first person I talked to confirmed the rumor, and the second person said they couldn't talk about it. This is extremely disheartening for all Americans who value the first amendment. If Ted Andersen does not, then it is our duty to expose him. Dan This is all about Jones...who called me at home last Tuesday afternoon just past 1pm and threatened to "destroy" me (and my family) over the well-written story by Brother Nathanael Kapner researching and seeking to understand the reasons why Jones is, and has long been, pro-zionist and an unabashed apologist of zionist Israel and its genocide of Palestinians...and generally steers people away from AIPAC and the Rothschild City of London banking monolith which controls so much of the Western world. The story is available here at Real Jew News. Note how the article cites direct quotes from Jones' own PrisonPlanet message board. I also, as the world knows, always encourage and post legitimate rebuttals to stories. Matter of fact, when I told Jones to stop threatening me on the phone, he maniacally (no exaggeration) roared in his guttural, Neanderthal voice: "I'm not 'threatening' you...I PROMISE you I will destroy you!!!" Never in my life have I been terrorized like that and it is my personal opinion that such behavior is mentally deranged and unquestionably dangerous. While this took place, my partner heard him bellowing and raging and screaming on the phone and she was shocked and stunned...as am I. The many stories and allegations about his abuse and threatening of others in this business would seem to be accurate, at least as far as I am concerned. I have filed a formal police report against him for interstate terrorism and threats. Within an hour or so of his phone call, Ted Anderson emailed me notification of 30 day cancellation of our broadcast agreement. Jones has bragged to me and others that he "owns Ted Anderson's ass"...Ted is a lap dog and did as he was ordered. Jones efforts to censor the news are clear and unquestionable. Jones ordered that my live programs be blocked last Tuesday and GCN has been running encores the last four nights without so much as the common courtesy of advising me which program would be aired. After all and in sum, it is tragically clear Jones has an agenda which does not include steadfast support of our Constitution, Freedom of Speech and Inquiry, and Freedom of the Press. As so many others have claimed over the years, he is too often an opportunistic, self-aggrandizing tyrant and hypocrite who seeks to promote himself over all other issues, while clearly serving the wishes of special interest groups. At this point in time, after doing my program for fifteen years, I find that I must regrettably agree with that assessment. William Cooper, indeed, raised some very serious issues about Jones just before he was shot to death. Please know that I expect to be back doing Live Programs by Monday night on at least two new networks. There will be a formal announcement on the site this weekend. Thank you, most kindly, for your concern. Jeff
Hello Dan... Thank you for your concern. I was not 'fired' because I was never paid by GCN. I was letting them have use of my program in exchange for commercial minutes each hour.
Note from Moderator: Brother Kapner explored the issue of Jones' wife's religion as it was reflected on Jones' own PrisonPlanet site message board and did so as a journalistic tool to try to understand why he is so pro-Zionist.
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#20. To: X-15 (#19)
I thought I deleted that before anyone saw it... LOL! Oh well. Sometimes I say too much. .
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I'm all for full disclosure of all aircraft that have ever been flown, and for full disclosure of our Foreign Technology Division.
_________________________________________________________________________ I'm a casual observer, haven't listened to either man's show. That seems the most likely explanation to me.
A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out. There is NO DOUBT this is true. Other than that, only the two parties involved know what really happened, although both claim to have witnesses.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Bottom line: The New World Order is loving all of this! They are hoping that people drop both Rense & Jones and go back to listening to Fox and CNN.
What is Liberty Post saying about this?
I don't believe that there's any war on for their minds.
I don't believe that there's any war on for their minds. Life was much simpler before the internet. I miss Walter Cronkite. / sarc.
Like the Birdman, he's Practically Jewish by Osmosis™, but in the Rahmbo way. I honestly don't give a shit that he doesn't talk up Jews and/or Zionism. Neither does that fine gentleman Jared Taylor.
A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out. Rense is an asshole. If anyone tried to drag my wife through the mud like that, I wouldn't call him and yell at him, I'd knock on his door and kick his ugly ass all over creation.
#21. To: PSUSA (#20)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#22. To: Original_Intent (#4)
Alex Jones is an egomaniac who cannot stand being put in the spotlight in a negative way.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.
#23. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#22)
Alex Jones is an egomaniac
#24. To: Original_Intent, Rotara (#5)
A lot of Alex's listeners also listen to Jeff and vice versa. So, no doubt he wanted to prevent them from hearing of his actions.
#25. To: Original_Intent (#7)
#26. To: TwentyTwelve (#25)
What is Liberty Post saying about this?
#27. To: lodwick (#26)
What is Liberty Post saying about this?
#28. To: Sam Houston (#23)
(Edited)
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.
#29. To: Original_Intent (#0)
(Edited)
This guy may be prowling 4um: |
Morehead City Concerts Summer 2009
#30. To: Original_Intent (#4)
hmmm... Alex Jones makes the New World Order very nervous. Obama is not happy about AJ's "Obama Deception" DVD.
The question that this current situation brings back up is: Is Alex Jones other than what he pretends to be?
#31. To: Critter (#29)
Sure you would, pencil neck, sure you would.
#32. To: Critter (#29)
Yeah, like someone would actually marry you. Maybe a blind woman would.
If anyone tried to drag my wife through the mud like that...
#33. To: TwentyTwelve (#27)
Isn't that the truth.
Life was much simpler before the internet.
#34. To: noone222, christine, TwentyTwelve, Rotara, Wudidiz, all (#14)
I still think there is missing data that we don't have. Since I listen to both programs, as time permits, I noted that after JR moved to GCN from Talk Radio Network, that Alex Jones began a regular monthly slot on Jeff's show under the title "Report From Prison Planet" which was a good item as they balanced each other well as Jeff is laid back and thoughtful so acted as a balance wheel for Jones. Jones abruptly canceled after about 3 or 4 months citing too heavy of a work schedule and that he was cutting back. It didn't ring true then or now, and I think there was something going on as far back as about 6 or 8 months ago. I think there was already bad blood but I do not know why (at this point). This I suspect is because Jones is a heavy hitter and Jeff is fighting back with the available tools. Assuming Jeff's account to be true I think he had reason to be fearful and thus hit back with what was available to bring Jones to heel. If I had an Alex Jones raging semi-incoherently over the phone I think I would be inclined to take whatever measures necessary to force him to cease and desist. I think Alex Jones reaction is interesting and have not fully analyzed the available data so I am withholding any conclusions at this point, but I do find Jones reaction interesting. Is he being protective of his family or is he trying to keep something from being publicly examined? The latter seems more likely the more I think about it. So, the question of course is what and why? Knowing the what would probably suggest the why.
...That being said, I don't know how much Jones had to do with Rense's GCN relationship, but have a gut feeling he has as much pull as anyone could have at GCN. I wouldn't necessarily make any judgments regarding either hosts patriotism based upon this incident. Both men probably have somewhat inflated egos too.
...Interstate terrorism is a charge I wouldn't expect to see leveled by anyone (within the freedom movement) that was simply a party to an argument over the phone, nor would I expect a respected host to be removed like Rense was for the same causes, an argument.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#35. To: Critter, noone222, Wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, christine, all (#29) (Edited)
Having read the article, and posted it here, that started the brouhaha I don't see it as an attack on Jones' Wife or family. I saw it as an attempt to understand why Jones is very careful with the subject of Zionism and Israel. I think Jeff's putting it up on his site was more a matter of his policy of exploring all angles and operating off of complete data and let the chips fall where they may. I suspect, but cannot prove, that Jeff Rense is himself Jewish. He is very careful on one subject i.e., he will not discuss on air his own personal religious beliefs, avoids the subject like the plague, and I suspect that it is because, whether observant or not, that he has Jewish roots. This would also explain why the Zionists are careful in their attacks on him as it would not do for their propaganda purposes to bring that out. That is speculation but it is based on listening to him over the years and is a general impression based more on what he won't talk about.
Rense is an asshole. If anyone tried to drag my wife through the mud like that, I wouldn't call him and yell at him, I'd knock on his door and kick his ugly ass all over creation.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#36. To: Original_Intent (#0)
This is all like a rerun. Don't you all remember the divorce of Alex Jones and John Stadtmiller (RBN) a few years back? I beleive it is a move to separate the shows so they can't shut them all down.
#37. To: Original_Intent (#35)
If Rense is jewish, so what? There;s nothing wrong with being jewish in and of itself, IMO. But it's the parasitical zionists that have attached themselves to the jews is the problem.
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#38. To: Original_Intent (#0)
Dear Friends of Liberty and Free Speech... Following is a reply I sent to a long-time listener and thought you should be able to read it, too. It will answer the basic questions many have asked. Thank you, all, for your kindness and support. I am looking forward to working with the new networks which will be making major efforts to present the program on far more stations than the former network ever did. With best regards to all of my good Friends here at MySpace...
#39. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#22)
I'm generally distrustful of people that walk around in public with a bullhorn.
#40. To: bluegrass (#39)
Accentuate the positive, why dont'cha.
A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.
#41. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#40)
I tend to trust thoughtful people that don't try to jerk anyone's chain via emotional manipulation. The big blue room is lovely today.
#42. To: bluegrass (#41)
Does humor count? Ed de Bono is right. I should post his intro to I am Right / You are Wrong some time.
emotional manipulation
A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.
#43. To: Original_Intent (#0)
I think Alex Jones is in with the Jesuits too. I was banned from the Prison Planet forum because of my Anti Jesuit stance.
Oh what a DUFFLE-HEAD that Barack Obama is !!! Duffle-Head (As used in a Felix the Cat cartoon) A wicked person of limited intelegence but with pretenses of intelectual grandeur. Their only successful endevors are usually the invention of self punishment machines.
#44. To: Fred Mertz (#31)
Next time I have a wife, try me out baldy!
Sure you would, pencil neck, sure you would.
This guy may be prowling 4um: |
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#45. To: Fred Mertz (#32)
Two of those odd creatures married me already. They didn't stick around long, however.
Yeah, like someone would actually marry you. Maybe a blind woman would.
This guy may be prowling 4um: |
Morehead City Concerts Summer 2009
#46. To: PSUSA (#37)
In and of itself nothing. I make no secret of the fact that the maternal side of my parentage came from a Jewish ancestry. I mentioned Jeff's possible Jewish ancestry because the Zionazi's attack him on a lot of fronts but they never mention religion - specifically Jeff's. I'm speculating of course but a Jewish anti-zionist is something that really drives the Zionuts nuttier, because it is difficult for them to play their favorite "anti-semite" card. The only thing that makes it significant is that it is a datum which helps clarify other data.
If Rense is jewish, so what? There;s nothing wrong with being jewish in and of itself, IMO. But it's the parasitical zionists that have attached themselves to the jews is the problem.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#47. To: Coral Snake (#43)
Alex's explosion was really a stupid faux pas on his part as it increases scrutiny on him and does raise questions. I'm still chewing on some things but I did have a light go on this afternoon. Two datums: 1. Alex's reaction is like that of someone with something to hide. 2. Ever notice that despite all of his bluster he does not name names when it comes to the top echelon of the psychotic Plutocrat Banksters? He always names the top in generalities i.e., the NWO this, the NWO that. The top level of the NWO has names - Rothschild, Rockefeller, Warburg, et. al., ... yet Alex mentions this only obliquely and quickly covers by resorting to the generality. Just a datum, but it is a datum of significance.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#48. To: Original_Intent (#1)
Interesting. Glad I gave up talk radio in all its forms.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#49. To: Original_Intent (#0)
This is very much in keeping with what that gentleman on another forum was saying. According to him, granted he back it up with nothing, Alex would often continue diatribes that had been proven wrong but fed into that "conspiracy" group mentality. This gentleman does understand and believe in the basics of the conspiracy himself though he and I have disagreed on some points. He may be wrong but the fact that the above even comes up makes me think there is a grain of truth to it. Course I don't believe Alex or any other talk show host walks on water. No matter how good, they will be wrong from time to time. There will also be those who question their motives based on the errors.
As so many others have claimed over the years, he is too often an opportunistic, self-aggrandizing tyrant and hypocrite who seeks to promote himself over all other issues, while clearly serving the wishes of special interest groups.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#50. To: Coral Snake (#43)
The top levels of what we call the NWO are all intertwined. It is not purely a Jewish thing, a Catholic thing, a Banker thing, or a Royal Fambly thing - it is a confluence of interests among power blocks who regard themselves as the rightful rulers of all mankind. Ultimately they are just a bunch of psychotic shitheads with ego problems. Unfortunately they are in a position to create trouble.
I think Alex Jones is in with the Jesuits too. I was banned from the Prison Planet forum because of my Anti Jesuit stance.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#51. To: farmfriend (#49)
There are several things that have gotten me thinking here lately - questioning Alex Jones and what he is really up to. I recall how Rush Limbaugh set himself up. He was pretty much a straightforward conservative up through NAFTA and then in '98 was when he really changed. He spent years building up his credibility by being on the money and truthful and then turned around and used that credibility to disinform and mislead, and I am beginning to wonder whether or not that is Alex Jones' game?
He may be wrong but the fact that the above even comes up makes me think there is a grain of truth to it. Course I don't believe Alex or any other talk show host walks on water. No matter how good, they will be wrong from time to time. There will also be those who question their motives based on the errors.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#52. To: Original_Intent (#0)
I have listened to Jones for 10 years. He is not a Zionist. He routinely points out the obvious problems with Zionists running our government and involvement in 9/11. No matter what he said about the Neocons, it wouldn't satisfy the Jew-haters. Jones is the most highly effective tool against the NWO, providing free documentaries for educating the ignorant masses, police and the military. See The Obama Deception. That is why he is the target of the Feds across the internet and in the real world. Without his efforts, I would hate to see where we would be on that front. He has the full support of Ted Anderson. Update: http://www.myspace.com/Jeff_Rense Regarding the Alex Jones Issue Those who know me and understand the enormous effort involved in presenting news and inquiry, fully-realize I do not threaten people. It is anathema to me and all that I stand for. The issues involved in the current controversy are virtually insignificant to the pressing mandate of confronting and exposing the enemy attacking what's left of our Liberty, our Constitution and our very way of life. I have not gone to court for a restraining order against Mr. Jones, nor have I filed formal charges against anyone. A police report and case number are far different and are employed to simply make formal note of an event. The critical nature of the crisis confronting the patriot community and our Republic requires the full energies of all of us, and I therefore consider the current issue closed. As I always have, I wish the Jones family and all honorable Americans health, wellness and security, just as I do for my own family. Both Mr. Jones and myself have been the recipients of many death threats over the years and I have now received even more to add to that sorry total. In bringing this matter to a close, I have removed my private reply to a longtime listener from my MySpace page. Once again, I do NOT threaten people nor have I ever done so in my entire life. I trust Mr. Jones will join with me in moving ahead together to confront the darkness now enshrouding our planet. There is simply no time for anything else.
#53. To: ratcat (#52)
He said he didn't blame Israel for its attack on the USS Liberty. Instead he blamed Johnson! He may not be a Zionist, but he sure does cover for them.
No matter what he said about the Neocons, it wouldn't satisfy the Jew-haters.
God is always good!
#54. To: ratcat (#52) (Edited)
No one calls the police about a NON threat. Jones did indeed threaten him and it was enough to get Jeff to call the police over it. This issue isn't going away for the fat loud mouth Zionist supporter Alex Jones.
A police report and case number are far different and are employed to simply make formal note of an event.
God is always good!
#55. To: Original_Intent (#50)
Amen. I might add that sociopaths know no grouping.
It is not purely a Jewish thing, a Catholic thing, a Banker thing, or a Royal Fambly thing - it is a confluence of interests among power blocks who regard themselves as the rightful rulers of all mankind. Ultimately they are just a bunch of psychotic shitheads with ego problems.
#56. To: ratcat, TwentyTwelve, IndieTX, christine, Jethro Tull, Lady X, bluegrass, RickyJ, Original_Intent, farmfriend, Prefrontal Vortex, critter, PSUSA (#52) (Edited)
Right, and when the NWO springs the trap his cult followers will run to him only to have him say, "My fellow patriots, we don't have to put up with this! So, right after you surrender your weapons at the nearest police station I want you to order my new book JUST SAY NO TO THE NWO! Now that the govt has finally stepped over the line we'll win our freedom back because we now have a reason to organize and stand together! It's all explained in this wonderful, hardbound book with full color illustrations and step by step instructions on how to Throw The Rascals Out and how to Stand Up And Be Counted!" And friends, I promise you that we'll win America back from those mysterious Illuminists without ever firing a shot! Just as Mohandas K. Gandhi proved it can be done without guns! let's show those mysterious Illuminists what we Americans can do when we stand together! In fact, I want you all to go to your windows and open them and shout, "I'm going to get mad as heck and starting tomorrow I'm not gonna take it anymore!" Of course non violent civil disobedience was a tactic not a philosophy and it only worked for Gandhi because the British didn't dare drive a train over protesters blocking the rails. That would have resulted in every single British and Colonial soldier (who were greatly outnumbered and still clung to the illusion that they had a moral and legal "right" to rule over the natives) being slaughtered before the week was out. The US govt and its ancillary forces (police, military cutouts, assassins, cutthroat groupies and millions of useful idiots and snitches) have no such moral limitation on their actions (remember Vicki Weaver? FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi became the darling of the fascist, state worship, law enforcement convention speakers' circuit after he gunned Weaver down) and, the US would nape a peaceful march on Washington if the participants refused to turn around and go home. And, thanks to decades of brain washing and learned helplessness Americans will be beaten before they ever start once certain programmed triggers are activated. (Key words such as "subversive, militia, terrorist, fanatic, Tim McVey," etc, will cause Americans' eyes to roll back in their heads and they'll go into Manchurian Candidate trances, and the following day they'll have the irresistible urge to buy the biggest TV screens they can find....) I don't know when or where the revolution will begin, but I do know this: it won't be led By Alex Jones with a rifle in his hands. He has no real, air breathing enemies to speak of (with the possible exception of Jeff Rense) so why would he risk his lucrative book business for any reason? In fact Jones will be the first to discredit any true leader by claiming, "That kook is one of those wackos who only blames innocent Jewish persons for everything and he doesn't realize that the real enemy is a bunch of hairy footed hobbits who live in hollow trees, and more importantly their evil Illuminati counterparts such as Lyndon Johnson!" If you select 100,000 American men at random I'll show you 40,000 govt snitches and perhaps two men who can be relied upon to serve honorably and sacrifice all for posterity and their children. And, those who tune in to AJ for "the truth" have surrendered their critical thinking skills and free will without ever realizing it. They may think that they retain the ability to recognize the moment that Jones reveals himself as an enemy tool, but they don't. If they can't see the truth now then nothing Jones says will want for an explanation/apology just as they're already programmed to do now. No, I'm sorry to say that if worst comes to worst Alex Jones would print and sell "The Patriot's Cookbook-100 Ways To Cook Mouth Watering Bat Wings Around A Hobo Campfire"
Jones is the most highly effective tool against the NWO, providing free documentaries for educating the ignorant masses, police and the military.
#57. To: HOUNDDAWG, all (#56)
I don't know when or where the revolution will begin, but I do know this: it won't be led By Alex Jones with a rifle in his hands If you select 100,000 American men at random I'll show you 40,000 govt snitches and perhaps two men who can be relied upon to serve honorably and sacrifice all for posterity and their children Again, you've hit a home run Hounddawg. Well done.
The US govt and its ancillary forces (police, military cutouts, assassins, cutthroat groupies and millions of useful idiots and snitches) have no such moral limitation on their actions
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace
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ALAS, BABYLON. It's over. Last one here turn out the lights.
#58. To: IndieTX (#57)
Thank you.
#59. To: Original_Intent (#46)
This is true, AFAIK. It's the "self-hating Jew" argument. That is usually the card they play. One thing about Rense, he doesn't dodge the zionism issue.
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#60. To: HOUNDDAWG, All (#56)
Information only works if it prepares someone for action. This "we just need to educate people" nonsense will not work. What good is it to be a slave AND know your slavemasters name? Congrats, you are a smart slave! The information needed is to prepare people for a shooting war. That is the only kind of resistance that will matter. Not a bunch of crap about an organization that died out in the 1700's, or "Germanic death cults", or faceless "elites". You're not going to remove them with your mighty knowledge, just with your actions, when the time is right. .
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