[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help] 

Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

Sounds Like They're Trying to Get Ghislaine Maxwell out of Prison Mississippi declared a public health emergency over its infant mortality rate (guess why) Andy Ngo: ANTIFA is a terrorist organization & Trump will need a lot of help to stop them America Is Reaching A Boiling Point The Pandemic Of Fake Psychiatric Diagnoses This Is How People Actually Use ChatGPT, According To New Research Texas Man Arrested for Threatening NYC's Mamdani Man puts down ABC's The View on air Strong 7.8 quake hits Russia's Kamchatka My Answer To a Liberal Professor. We both See Collapse But.. Cash Jordan: “Set Them Free”... Mob STORMS ICE HQ, Gets CRUSHED By ‘Deportation Battalion’’ Call The Exterminator: Signs Demanding Violence Against Republicans Posted In DC Crazy Conspiracy Theorist Asks Questions About Vaccines New owner of CBS coordinated with former Israeli military chief to counter the country's critics, BEST VIDEO - Questions Concerning Charlie Kirk, Douglas Macgregor - IT'S BEGUN - The People Are Rising Up! Marine Sniper: They're Lying About Charlie Kirk's Death and They Know It! Mike Johnson Holds 'Private Meeting' With Jewish Leaders, Pledges to Screen Out Anti-Israel GOP Candidates Jimmy Kimmel’s career over after ‘disgusting’ lies about Charlie Kirk shooter [Plus America's Homosexual-In-Chief checks-In, Clot-Shots, Iryna Zarutska and More!] 1200 Electric School Busses pulled from service due to fires. Is the Deep State Covering Up Charlie Kirk’s Murder? The FBI’s Bizarre Inconsistencies Exposed Local Governments Can Be Ignorant Pissers!! Cash Jordan: Gangs PLUNDER LA Mall... as California’s “NO JAILS” Strategy IMPLODES Margin Debt Tops Historic $1 Trillion, Your House Will Be Taken Blindly Warns Dohmen Tucker Carlson LIVE: America After Charlie Kirk Charlie Kirk allegedly recently refused $150 million from Israel to take more pro Israel stances "NATO just declared War on Russia!"Co; Douglas Macgregor If You're Trying To Lose Weight But Gaining Belly Fat, Watch Insulin Arabica Coffee Prices Soar As Analyst Warns of "Weather Disasters" Risk Denting Global Production Candace Owens: : I Know What Happened at the Hamptons (Ackman confronted Charlie Kirk)

Israel/Zionism
See other Israel/Zionism Articles

Title: Alex Jones Has A Cow Over Jeff Rense
Source: Jeff Rense's My Space
URL Source: http://www.myspace.com/Jeff_Rense
Published: Mar 31, 2009
Author: Jeff Rense
Post Date: 2009-03-31 02:25:15 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Jeff, Rense, Alex, Jones
Views: 3796
Comments: 139

Following is Jeff Rense's explanation of his discontinuation on GCN following Alex Jones' explosion on the phone with him. I'll let the e-mail he was responding to and his own response tell the story:

Why Jeff is Moving to a New and Better Network

Dear Friends of Liberty and Free Speech... Following is a reply I sent to a long-time listener and thought you should be able to read it, too. It will answer the basic questions many have asked. Thank you, all, for your kindness and support. I am looking forward to working with the new networks which will be making major efforts to present the program on far more stations than the former network ever did. With best regards to all of my good Friends here at MySpace...

Jeff From: Dan > Subject: Jeff Rense fired >Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 2:57 PM Heard a rumor the Jeff Rense was fired from GCN because he posted an article that Alex Jones is a Zionist agent. I called GCN. Ted Andersen is not in today but the first person I talked to confirmed the rumor, and the second person said they couldn't talk about it. This is extremely disheartening for all Americans who value the first amendment. If Ted Andersen does not, then it is our duty to expose him. Dan

Hello Dan... Thank you for your concern. I was not 'fired' because I was never paid by GCN. I was letting them have use of my program in exchange for commercial minutes each hour.

This is all about Jones...who called me at home last Tuesday afternoon just past 1pm and threatened to "destroy" me (and my family) over the well-written story by Brother Nathanael Kapner researching and seeking to understand the reasons why Jones is, and has long been, pro-zionist and an unabashed apologist of zionist Israel and its genocide of Palestinians...and generally steers people away from AIPAC and the Rothschild City of London banking monolith which controls so much of the Western world. The story is available here at Real Jew News. Note how the article cites direct quotes from Jones' own PrisonPlanet message board. I also, as the world knows, always encourage and post legitimate rebuttals to stories.

Matter of fact, when I told Jones to stop threatening me on the phone, he maniacally (no exaggeration) roared in his guttural, Neanderthal voice: "I'm not 'threatening' you...I PROMISE you I will destroy you!!!" Never in my life have I been terrorized like that and it is my personal opinion that such behavior is mentally deranged and unquestionably dangerous.

While this took place, my partner heard him bellowing and raging and screaming on the phone and she was shocked and stunned...as am I. The many stories and allegations about his abuse and threatening of others in this business would seem to be accurate, at least as far as I am concerned. I have filed a formal police report against him for interstate terrorism and threats.

Within an hour or so of his phone call, Ted Anderson emailed me notification of 30 day cancellation of our broadcast agreement. Jones has bragged to me and others that he "owns Ted Anderson's ass"...Ted is a lap dog and did as he was ordered. Jones efforts to censor the news are clear and unquestionable.

Jones ordered that my live programs be blocked last Tuesday and GCN has been running encores the last four nights without so much as the common courtesy of advising me which program would be aired.

After all and in sum, it is tragically clear Jones has an agenda which does not include steadfast support of our Constitution, Freedom of Speech and Inquiry, and Freedom of the Press. As so many others have claimed over the years, he is too often an opportunistic, self-aggrandizing tyrant and hypocrite who seeks to promote himself over all other issues, while clearly serving the wishes of special interest groups. At this point in time, after doing my program for fifteen years, I find that I must regrettably agree with that assessment. William Cooper, indeed, raised some very serious issues about Jones just before he was shot to death.

Please know that I expect to be back doing Live Programs by Monday night on at least two new networks. There will be a formal announcement on the site this weekend.

Thank you, most kindly, for your concern.

Jeff

Note from Moderator: Brother Kapner explored the issue of Jones' wife's religion as it was reflected on Jones' own PrisonPlanet site message board and did so as a journalistic tool to try to understand why he is so pro-Zionist.

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  

#1. To: christine, Peppa, farmfriend, Rotara, Cynicom, CadetD, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, Kamala, HOUNDDAWG, James Deffenbach, Critter, IndieTX, ItIstoolate, ratcat, Jethro Tull, bluegrass, lodwick, angle, FormerLurker, RickyJ, litus, PSUSA, Artisan, all (#0)

(((((Pingggggggggggg!)))))

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-31   2:31:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is some mighty tasty Crow I'm chewin' on. Care for a bite?

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-31   2:33:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"I'm not 'threatening' you...I PROMISE you I will destroy you!!!"

Would he race to the hospital if his mother-in-law was dying?

A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-03-31   2:48:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As I see it there is a range of possibilities here:

Alex Jones is engaged in Disinfo/PsyOPs.

Jeff Rense is engaged in Disinfo/PsyOps.

Neither is engaged in Disinfo/PsyOps but operate differently and came into conflict because of that.

Alex Jones, who is protective of his family, over-reacted.

Alex Jones is an egomaniac who cannot stand being put in the spotlight in a negative way.

I have listened to Jeff Rense since just about his first program and I have never caught him in what I would consider and intentional lie. He has been wrong a few times, but I have never known him to tell other than what he believes to be the truth.

I also see no reason, at this point, to doubt that what he is stating is accurate.

It will be interesting to follow this and see where the chips fall. Some of the guests he has had lately, Webster Tarpley comes to mind, were on Jeff's program long before Alex Jones picked them up.

I can understand Ted Anderson's behavior knowing that GCN was long a drain on his wallet and Alex Jones has made it profitable so his reaction is to protect his wallet.

The question that this current situation brings back up is: Is Alex Jones other than what he pretends to be?

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-31   2:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jones ordered that my live programs be blocked last Tuesday and GCN has been running encores the last four nights without so much as the common courtesy of advising me which program would be aired.

This undoubtedly was a move by Alex to prevent Jeff from talking about the scene on the air before he could get his program off GCN.

That implies that Alex realized that he had shot himself in the foot.

A lot of Alex's listeners also listen to Jeff and vice versa. So, no doubt he wanted to prevent them from hearing of his actions.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-31   2:56:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

After all and in sum, it is tragically clear Jones has an agenda which does not include steadfast support of our Constitution, Freedom of Speech and Inquiry, and Freedom of the Press. As so many others have claimed over the years, he is too often an opportunistic, self-aggrandizing tyrant and hypocrite who seeks to promote himself over all other issues, while clearly serving the wishes of special interest groups. At this point in time, after doing my program for fifteen years, I find that I must regrettably agree with that assessment. William Cooper, indeed, raised some very serious issues about Jones just before he was shot to death.

Matter of fact, when I told Jones to stop threatening me on the phone, he maniacally (no exaggeration) roared in his guttural, Neanderthal voice: "I'm not 'threatening' you...I PROMISE you I will destroy you!!!" Never in my life have I been terrorized like that and it is my personal opinion that such behavior is mentally deranged and unquestionably dangerous.

Well, well..looks like Brother Kapner, Jeff Rense (and Bill Cooper rip) struck a nerve.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition


"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx

You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace

ALAS, BABYLON. It's over. Last one here turn out the lights.

IndieTX  posted on  2009-03-31   3:26:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, well..looks like Brother Kapner, Jeff Rense (and Bill Cooper rip) struck a nerve.

So it would seem.

I still recall the dust-up between Art Bell and Jeff - Jeff's still standing.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-31   3:31:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Brother Kapner

This guy is a 4um member. He also is a member of GoldisMoney. I think I might have told him about that site. He hasn't posted here in a while though.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-03-31   3:58:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If it wasn't for Jones tap dancing around the zionism thing, I'd ALMOST say he was just being careless with what he says and prints on his sites.

But the BS articles, while few, are ALWAYS related to either gun control (like that article about the UN taking our guns away when firearms weren't even mentioned. I posted it here) or they related to mass deaths (the latest dust-up over the "mass graves") or something else that really is a very imminent threat and is sure to get a persons attention.

It's like there are 2 different levels of articles, one that is true and is verifiable to suck people in (and that is the majority of articles), and the other is complete BS but it provokes an angry reaction.

Someone here said "there is no room for lies in the truth movement", and he or she was right.

Now, does Rense do the same thing? His internally links articles are suspect too. They are hardly ever sourced. I usually don't read them.

.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-03-31   6:29:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why can't we get the "enemy" to fight like this?

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-03-31   6:39:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Source

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-03-31   6:54:03 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

???

If you mean that you were wrong about this, don't worry about it. I never gloat. Because I am wrong sometimes too and I dont appreciate gloating.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-03-31   7:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I checked infowars for mention of Kashoggi.

www.infowars.com/lawsuit-...for-september-11-attacks/

In fact, the CIA led the effort to collect charity money to fund al-Qaeda. “On American soil, the CIA used Muslim charities and mosque communities as fronts for recruitment of fighters in their secret war against the USSR,” Giles Foden wrote for the Guardian on September 15, 2001, citing research by author John Cooley (Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism). “In Unholy Wars, Cooley provides convincing evidence that Arab businessman and arms merchant Adnan Kashoggi had dealings with bin Laden’s father, receiving a $50,000 cheque from him. Oil broker Roy Furmark, Cooley says, provided a link between his CIA friend Casey and Kashoggi, introducing the latter to Manuchehr Ghorbanifar,” the notorious Iranian middleman who became a central figure in the arms for hostages and funds for Contras deals with Iran.

That was the only mention of him in an article. The rest I got a 404 error or it was in article comments.

If that snippet is true, and it must be since it was posted on his site (/sarcasm) and Kashoggi owns GCN, then I am surprised this article was left on his site.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-03-31   8:22:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I had noticed the "encore" programs while scanning the 9:00 PM time slot never imagining it was due to a 'spat" between Jones and Rense. At this point it's hard to doubt that a "spat" has taken place and it's easier to see Jones as the one likely to raise his voice to scream threats than Rense, especially if Jones saw the publishing of Brother Nathaniel's article as threatening to his family or a betrayal by Rense or both. (That doesn't make it right, but people have been known to argue). Jones is probably stressed out too, which makes it easier to believe Rense is likely telling the truth.

That being said, I don't know how much Jones had to do with Rense's GCN relationship, but have a gut feeling he has as much pull as anyone could have at GCN. I wouldn't necessarily make any judgments regarding either hosts patriotism based upon this incident. Both men probably have somewhat inflated egos too.

Interstate terrorism is a charge I wouldn't expect to see leveled by anyone (within the freedom movement) that was simply a party to an argument over the phone, nor would I expect a respected host to be removed like Rense was for the same causes, an argument.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Rense should have declined the article simply because he was on the same network as Alex Jones. He could have passed it on to someone else.

All of the above being said, nothing good can come of this and I think everyone involved is wrong to some degree.

As of late, I have had some questions regarding the high volume of CNP members on Jones' program, all of which are committed to support for the State of Israel and some are unsavory to say the least. I'm not saying that I have ever felt that Jones was overly protective of the Israeli State, as he seemed to address all perps equally according to their actual involvment.

Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.

De La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2009-03-31   8:24:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

what I would consider and intentional lie

Rense is ok. But his alien article stuff is a load of crap.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-03-31   8:31:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=8222 Saudi gave Al ciadha $500 Mill so let's attack Iraq

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-03-31   8:31:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's not about this, IMO. The personalities involved dont matter, the way I see it. Although it might be responsible for this particular incident, it goes deeper.

It seems that people are being distracted by this clash of personalities.

It's about his (or their) articles lies and distortions, mixed in with the truth. People say "he(they) encourage others to research this for themselves". How many do that? What happens when someone actually does this, and they find out that the article in question is total BS? They get called names, that's what happens.

People have posted things about AJ, but it was seen as a personal attack on him. Even as a COORDINATED attack because of the timing of the release of his Omamessiah movie.

It's not personal. And Rense might be doing the same kinds of things, I don't know.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-03-31   8:42:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Never mind

;)

.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-03-31   8:49:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And who knows if they were flown by aliens or USAF majors.

Colonels. Nobody less than a Colonel gets to fly one. But, they do let Navy Rear Admirals operate the refreshment galley in one. ;-)

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

X-15  posted on  2009-03-31   8:55:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I thought I deleted that before anyone saw it... LOL!

Oh well.

Sometimes I say too much.

.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-03-31   9:09:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm all for full disclosure of all aircraft that have ever been flown, and for full disclosure of our Foreign Technology Division.

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

X-15  posted on  2009-03-31   9:26:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Alex Jones is an egomaniac who cannot stand being put in the spotlight in a negative way.

I'm a casual observer, haven't listened to either man's show. That seems the most likely explanation to me.

A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-03-31   10:13:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Alex Jones is an egomaniac

There is NO DOUBT this is true. Other than that, only the two parties involved know what really happened, although both claim to have witnesses.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-03-31   10:28:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

A lot of Alex's listeners also listen to Jeff and vice versa. So, no doubt he wanted to prevent them from hearing of his actions.

Bottom line:

The New World Order is loving all of this! They are hoping that people drop both Rense & Jones and go back to listening to Fox and CNN.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-31   10:30:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What is Liberty Post saying about this?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-31   10:32:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What is Liberty Post saying about this?

I don't believe that there's any war on for their minds.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-03-31   10:35:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What is Liberty Post saying about this?

I don't believe that there's any war on for their minds.

Life was much simpler before the internet.

I miss Walter Cronkite. / sarc.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-31   10:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Like the Birdman, he's Practically Jewish by Osmosis™, but in the Rahmbo way.

I honestly don't give a shit that he doesn't talk up Jews and/or Zionism. Neither does that fine gentleman Jared Taylor.

A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-03-31   10:49:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Rense is an asshole. If anyone tried to drag my wife through the mud like that, I wouldn't call him and yell at him, I'd knock on his door and kick his ugly ass all over creation.

Critter  posted on  2009-03-31   10:54:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The question that this current situation brings back up is: Is Alex Jones other than what he pretends to be?

hmmm...

Alex Jones makes the New World Order very nervous.

Obama is not happy about AJ's "Obama Deception" DVD.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-31   10:55:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sure you would, pencil neck, sure you would.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-03-31   11:00:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If anyone tried to drag my wife through the mud like that...

Yeah, like someone would actually marry you. Maybe a blind woman would.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-03-31   11:01:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Life was much simpler before the internet.

Isn't that the truth.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-03-31   11:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

...That being said, I don't know how much Jones had to do with Rense's GCN relationship, but have a gut feeling he has as much pull as anyone could have at GCN. I wouldn't necessarily make any judgments regarding either hosts patriotism based upon this incident. Both men probably have somewhat inflated egos too.

I still think there is missing data that we don't have. Since I listen to both programs, as time permits, I noted that after JR moved to GCN from Talk Radio Network, that Alex Jones began a regular monthly slot on Jeff's show under the title "Report From Prison Planet" which was a good item as they balanced each other well as Jeff is laid back and thoughtful so acted as a balance wheel for Jones. Jones abruptly canceled after about 3 or 4 months citing too heavy of a work schedule and that he was cutting back. It didn't ring true then or now, and I think there was something going on as far back as about 6 or 8 months ago. I think there was already bad blood but I do not know why (at this point).

...Interstate terrorism is a charge I wouldn't expect to see leveled by anyone (within the freedom movement) that was simply a party to an argument over the phone, nor would I expect a respected host to be removed like Rense was for the same causes, an argument.

This I suspect is because Jones is a heavy hitter and Jeff is fighting back with the available tools. Assuming Jeff's account to be true I think he had reason to be fearful and thus hit back with what was available to bring Jones to heel. If I had an Alex Jones raging semi-incoherently over the phone I think I would be inclined to take whatever measures necessary to force him to cease and desist.

I think Alex Jones reaction is interesting and have not fully analyzed the available data so I am withholding any conclusions at this point, but I do find Jones reaction interesting. Is he being protective of his family or is he trying to keep something from being publicly examined? The latter seems more likely the more I think about it. So, the question of course is what and why? Knowing the what would probably suggest the why.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-31   12:19:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Rense is an asshole. If anyone tried to drag my wife through the mud like that, I wouldn't call him and yell at him, I'd knock on his door and kick his ugly ass all over creation.

Having read the article, and posted it here, that started the brouhaha I don't see it as an attack on Jones' Wife or family. I saw it as an attempt to understand why Jones is very careful with the subject of Zionism and Israel. I think Jeff's putting it up on his site was more a matter of his policy of exploring all angles and operating off of complete data and let the chips fall where they may.

I suspect, but cannot prove, that Jeff Rense is himself Jewish. He is very careful on one subject i.e., he will not discuss on air his own personal religious beliefs, avoids the subject like the plague, and I suspect that it is because, whether observant or not, that he has Jewish roots. This would also explain why the Zionists are careful in their attacks on him as it would not do for their propaganda purposes to bring that out. That is speculation but it is based on listening to him over the years and is a general impression based more on what he won't talk about.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-31   12:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is all like a rerun.

Don't you all remember the divorce of Alex Jones and John Stadtmiller (RBN) a few years back? I beleive it is a move to separate the shows so they can't shut them all down.

video.google.com/videoplay? docid=7886780711843120756

MING THE MERCILESS  posted on  2009-03-31   13:07:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If Rense is jewish, so what? There;s nothing wrong with being jewish in and of itself, IMO. But it's the parasitical zionists that have attached themselves to the jews is the problem.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-03-31   13:26:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Dear Friends of Liberty and Free Speech... Following is a reply I sent to a long-time listener and thought you should be able to read it, too. It will answer the basic questions many have asked. Thank you, all, for your kindness and support. I am looking forward to working with the new networks which will be making major efforts to present the program on far more stations than the former network ever did. With best regards to all of my good Friends here at MySpace...

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-03-31   13:42:41 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm generally distrustful of people that walk around in public with a bullhorn.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-31   14:35:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Accentuate the positive, why dont'cha.

A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-03-31   14:38:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I tend to trust thoughtful people that don't try to jerk anyone's chain via emotional manipulation.

The big blue room is lovely today.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-03-31   14:44:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

emotional manipulation

Does humor count?

Ed de Bono is right. I should post his intro to I am Right / You are Wrong some time.

A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-03-31   16:23:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think Alex Jones is in with the Jesuits too. I was banned from the Prison Planet forum because of my Anti Jesuit stance.

Oh what a DUFFLE-HEAD that Barack Obama is !!! Duffle-Head (As used in a Felix the Cat cartoon) A wicked person of limited intelegence but with pretenses of intelectual grandeur. Their only successful endevors are usually the invention of self punishment machines.

Coral Snake  posted on  2009-03-31   22:24:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sure you would, pencil neck, sure you would.

Next time I have a wife, try me out baldy!

Critter  posted on  2009-03-31   22:38:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, like someone would actually marry you. Maybe a blind woman would.

Two of those odd creatures married me already. They didn't stick around long, however.

Critter  posted on  2009-03-31   22:39:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If Rense is jewish, so what? There;s nothing wrong with being jewish in and of itself, IMO. But it's the parasitical zionists that have attached themselves to the jews is the problem.

In and of itself nothing. I make no secret of the fact that the maternal side of my parentage came from a Jewish ancestry. I mentioned Jeff's possible Jewish ancestry because the Zionazi's attack him on a lot of fronts but they never mention religion - specifically Jeff's. I'm speculating of course but a Jewish anti-zionist is something that really drives the Zionuts nuttier, because it is difficult for them to play their favorite "anti-semite" card. The only thing that makes it significant is that it is a datum which helps clarify other data.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-31   23:26:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Alex's explosion was really a stupid faux pas on his part as it increases scrutiny on him and does raise questions.

I'm still chewing on some things but I did have a light go on this afternoon. Two datums:

1. Alex's reaction is like that of someone with something to hide.

2. Ever notice that despite all of his bluster he does not name names when it comes to the top echelon of the psychotic Plutocrat Banksters? He always names the top in generalities i.e., the NWO this, the NWO that. The top level of the NWO has names - Rothschild, Rockefeller, Warburg, et. al., ... yet Alex mentions this only obliquely and quickly covers by resorting to the generality. Just a datum, but it is a datum of significance.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-03-31   23:32:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Interesting. Glad I gave up talk radio in all its forms.

farmfriend  posted on  2009-04-01   0:05:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As so many others have claimed over the years, he is too often an opportunistic, self-aggrandizing tyrant and hypocrite who seeks to promote himself over all other issues, while clearly serving the wishes of special interest groups.

This is very much in keeping with what that gentleman on another forum was saying. According to him, granted he back it up with nothing, Alex would often continue diatribes that had been proven wrong but fed into that "conspiracy" group mentality. This gentleman does understand and believe in the basics of the conspiracy himself though he and I have disagreed on some points.

He may be wrong but the fact that the above even comes up makes me think there is a grain of truth to it. Course I don't believe Alex or any other talk show host walks on water. No matter how good, they will be wrong from time to time. There will also be those who question their motives based on the errors.

farmfriend  posted on  2009-04-01   0:14:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think Alex Jones is in with the Jesuits too. I was banned from the Prison Planet forum because of my Anti Jesuit stance.

The top levels of what we call the NWO are all intertwined. It is not purely a Jewish thing, a Catholic thing, a Banker thing, or a Royal Fambly thing - it is a confluence of interests among power blocks who regard themselves as the rightful rulers of all mankind. Ultimately they are just a bunch of psychotic shitheads with ego problems. Unfortunately they are in a position to create trouble.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-01   0:23:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He may be wrong but the fact that the above even comes up makes me think there is a grain of truth to it. Course I don't believe Alex or any other talk show host walks on water. No matter how good, they will be wrong from time to time. There will also be those who question their motives based on the errors.

There are several things that have gotten me thinking here lately - questioning Alex Jones and what he is really up to. I recall how Rush Limbaugh set himself up. He was pretty much a straightforward conservative up through NAFTA and then in '98 was when he really changed. He spent years building up his credibility by being on the money and truthful and then turned around and used that credibility to disinform and mislead, and I am beginning to wonder whether or not that is Alex Jones' game?

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-01   0:37:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I have listened to Jones for 10 years. He is not a Zionist. He routinely points out the obvious problems with Zionists running our government and involvement in 9/11. No matter what he said about the Neocons, it wouldn't satisfy the Jew-haters.

Jones is the most highly effective tool against the NWO, providing free documentaries for educating the ignorant masses, police and the military. See The Obama Deception. That is why he is the target of the Feds across the internet and in the real world. Without his efforts, I would hate to see where we would be on that front. He has the full support of Ted Anderson.

Update:

http://www.myspace.com/Jeff_Rense

Regarding the Alex Jones Issue Those who know me and understand the enormous effort involved in presenting news and inquiry, fully-realize I do not threaten people. It is anathema to me and all that I stand for. The issues involved in the current controversy are virtually insignificant to the pressing mandate of confronting and exposing the enemy attacking what's left of our Liberty, our Constitution and our very way of life. I have not gone to court for a restraining order against Mr. Jones, nor have I filed formal charges against anyone. A police report and case number are far different and are employed to simply make formal note of an event. The critical nature of the crisis confronting the patriot community and our Republic requires the full energies of all of us, and I therefore consider the current issue closed. As I always have, I wish the Jones family and all honorable Americans health, wellness and security, just as I do for my own family. Both Mr. Jones and myself have been the recipients of many death threats over the years and I have now received even more to add to that sorry total. In bringing this matter to a close, I have removed my private reply to a longtime listener from my MySpace page. Once again, I do NOT threaten people nor have I ever done so in my entire life. I trust Mr. Jones will join with me in moving ahead together to confront the darkness now enshrouding our planet. There is simply no time for anything else.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-01   2:18:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No matter what he said about the Neocons, it wouldn't satisfy the Jew-haters.

He said he didn't blame Israel for its attack on the USS Liberty. Instead he blamed Johnson! He may not be a Zionist, but he sure does cover for them.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-01   2:22:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

A police report and case number are far different and are employed to simply make formal note of an event.

No one calls the police about a NON threat. Jones did indeed threaten him and it was enough to get Jeff to call the police over it. This issue isn't going away for the fat loud mouth Zionist supporter Alex Jones.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-01   2:53:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It is not purely a Jewish thing, a Catholic thing, a Banker thing, or a Royal Fambly thing - it is a confluence of interests among power blocks who regard themselves as the rightful rulers of all mankind. Ultimately they are just a bunch of psychotic shitheads with ego problems.

Amen. I might add that sociopaths know no grouping.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-04-01   3:04:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jones is the most highly effective tool against the NWO, providing free documentaries for educating the ignorant masses, police and the military.

Right, and when the NWO springs the trap his cult followers will run to him only to have him say, "My fellow patriots, we don't have to put up with this! So, right after you surrender your weapons at the nearest police station I want you to order my new book JUST SAY NO TO THE NWO!

Now that the govt has finally stepped over the line we'll win our freedom back because we now have a reason to organize and stand together! It's all explained in this wonderful, hardbound book with full color illustrations and step by step instructions on how to Throw The Rascals Out and how to Stand Up And Be Counted!"

And friends, I promise you that we'll win America back from those mysterious Illuminists without ever firing a shot! Just as Mohandas K. Gandhi proved it can be done without guns! let's show those mysterious Illuminists what we Americans can do when we stand together!

In fact, I want you all to go to your windows and open them and shout, "I'm going to get mad as heck and starting tomorrow I'm not gonna take it anymore!"

Of course non violent civil disobedience was a tactic not a philosophy and it only worked for Gandhi because the British didn't dare drive a train over protesters blocking the rails. That would have resulted in every single British and Colonial soldier (who were greatly outnumbered and still clung to the illusion that they had a moral and legal "right" to rule over the natives) being slaughtered before the week was out.

The US govt and its ancillary forces (police, military cutouts, assassins, cutthroat groupies and millions of useful idiots and snitches) have no such moral limitation on their actions (remember Vicki Weaver? FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi became the darling of the fascist, state worship, law enforcement convention speakers' circuit after he gunned Weaver down) and, the US would nape a peaceful march on Washington if the participants refused to turn around and go home. And, thanks to decades of brain washing and learned helplessness Americans will be beaten before they ever start once certain programmed triggers are activated. (Key words such as "subversive, militia, terrorist, fanatic, Tim McVey," etc, will cause Americans' eyes to roll back in their heads and they'll go into Manchurian Candidate trances, and the following day they'll have the irresistible urge to buy the biggest TV screens they can find....)

I don't know when or where the revolution will begin, but I do know this: it won't be led By Alex Jones with a rifle in his hands. He has no real, air breathing enemies to speak of (with the possible exception of Jeff Rense) so why would he risk his lucrative book business for any reason? In fact Jones will be the first to discredit any true leader by claiming, "That kook is one of those wackos who only blames innocent Jewish persons for everything and he doesn't realize that the real enemy is a bunch of hairy footed hobbits who live in hollow trees, and more importantly their evil Illuminati counterparts such as Lyndon Johnson!"

If you select 100,000 American men at random I'll show you 40,000 govt snitches and perhaps two men who can be relied upon to serve honorably and sacrifice all for posterity and their children. And, those who tune in to AJ for "the truth" have surrendered their critical thinking skills and free will without ever realizing it. They may think that they retain the ability to recognize the moment that Jones reveals himself as an enemy tool, but they don't. If they can't see the truth now then nothing Jones says will want for an explanation/apology just as they're already programmed to do now.

No, I'm sorry to say that if worst comes to worst Alex Jones would print and sell "The Patriot's Cookbook-100 Ways To Cook Mouth Watering Bat Wings Around A Hobo Campfire"

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-04-01   3:40:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The US govt and its ancillary forces (police, military cutouts, assassins, cutthroat groupies and millions of useful idiots and snitches) have no such moral limitation on their actions

I don't know when or where the revolution will begin, but I do know this: it won't be led By Alex Jones with a rifle in his hands

If you select 100,000 American men at random I'll show you 40,000 govt snitches and perhaps two men who can be relied upon to serve honorably and sacrifice all for posterity and their children

Again, you've hit a home run Hounddawg. Well done.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition


"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx

You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace

ALAS, BABYLON. It's over. Last one here turn out the lights.

IndieTX  posted on  2009-04-01   3:45:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thank you.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-04-01   3:48:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is true, AFAIK. It's the "self-hating Jew" argument. That is usually the card they play.

One thing about Rense, he doesn't dodge the zionism issue.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-01   6:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Information only works if it prepares someone for action. This "we just need to educate people" nonsense will not work. What good is it to be a slave AND know your slavemasters name? Congrats, you are a smart slave!

The information needed is to prepare people for a shooting war. That is the only kind of resistance that will matter. Not a bunch of crap about an organization that died out in the 1700's, or "Germanic death cults", or faceless "elites". You're not going to remove them with your mighty knowledge, just with your actions, when the time is right.

.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-01   6:23:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You're not going to remove them with your mighty knowledge, just with your actions, when the time is right.

When is the time going to be right? According to all your BS that you've been spewing around here, the time is way past right.

You're a big talker. Tell us, when are you going to start it?

Critter  posted on  2009-04-01   6:44:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Still trying to provoke me? LOL!

Now, go worship at the Altar Of St. Alex. He's been having a rough time of it lately.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-01   6:56:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll drink to that.

A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-01   8:26:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This "we just need to educate people" nonsense will not work.

The whole thing is just a little too, well, Freudian.

No, Virginia, dredging up your suppressed childhood trauma doesn't magically make things better. But it keeps your psychoanalyst employed.

CBT is where it's at baby!

A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-01   8:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I am not quite sure what you mean. Can you please be a little less cryptic?

What is CBT?

.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-01   8:45:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

CBT

A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-01   8:57:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Still trying to provoke me? LOL!

Still try to show you for what you seem to be, a shill.

So it's ok for you to keep to an unknown "time is right" but anyone in the spotlight has to call for armed insurrection now, so they can be dragged off to Gitmo?

Critter  posted on  2009-04-01   9:19:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No, not hardly. No one will call for armed insurrection, it will just happen, IMO. It wont happen on my schedule, or yours.

Now do you want to talk without the fucking idiotic name calling? Your call, and your answer doesn't mean that much to me, but its better to get along than not.

Or if you still think I am a "shill", play nice and set a trap for me. LOL!

.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-01   9:34:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

OK. Thanks. I did a search for that and found some really perverted S&M practices as one definition...

Somehow I couldn't imagine that is what you meant...

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-01   9:36:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Information only works if it prepares someone for action. This "we just need to educate people" nonsense will not work. What good is it to be a slave AND know your slavemasters name? Congrats, you are a smart slave!

And you are a twit. Don't you think that if millions of folks are necessary to make a revolutionary change, that it might help if more than two are informed ???

Obummer spent almost a trillion on propaganda to make people "think" they might get a change, didn't he ???

Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.

De La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2009-04-01   9:43:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

THere are a lot of people buried that should have engraved on their tombstones "He was an educated man. But he was still an idiot".

People that know, know. People that don't, don't give a damn. You can't change that. Change comes from within, not from without.

And I think there are more out there than the "two that are informed".

.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-01   10:01:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Don't you think that if millions of folks are necessary to make a revolutionary change, that it might help if more than two are informed ???

As soon as a person becomes independent, the social worker is out of a job.

Millions joining is not necessary for the revolution. Millions joining is the revolution.

If lots of people have joined and little has changed, it's not a revolutionary movement, is it?

A truth movement is an oxymoron.

Obummer spent almost a trillion on propaganda to make people "think" they might get a change, didn't he ???

Obummer is not a revolutionary.

A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-01   12:23:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As soon as a person becomes independent, the social worker is out of a job.

But some people that claim independence and want freedom have exchanged one form of dependency for another, and one form of slavery for another.

What I find interesting is how certain well-known people (cough cough) lie on occasion, the same way the MSM lies on occasion. None of them lie all the time, just often enough to provoke a desired reaction.

These certain "patriotic" people criticize and expose the MSM at every opportunity, but they wont criticize and expose the lies in the alternative media. Not only do they not criticize and expose them, THEY COVER UP FOR THEM and EXCUSE THEM as being the "lesser of 2 evils", in the exact same way they criticize the political process.

It's all in who's doing it. And this blows my mind that they don't see this. In fact, this criticism and exposure pisses them off mightily to the point that they totally ignore the truth of the matter and start name calling. .

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-01   12:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Obummer is not a revolutionary.

You spout a ton of ignorance here and truthfully some of it is so whacked I can't even understand your intent, but the above quote from you should be locked in for future reference ... this one simple statement demonstrates the total ignorance that you must be living in.

Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.

De La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2009-04-01   12:57:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hahahaha! You just don't get do you? Obummer is as establishment as can be.

A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-01   19:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He said he didn't blame Israel for its attack on the USS Liberty. Instead he blamed Johnson! He may not be a Zionist, but he sure does cover for them.

If it wasn't for Alex Jones, most people would never have heard of the USS Liberty. He interviewed many of the survivors on the air and marketed their documentary. Yes he blamed Johnson. But he also blamed the Israelis.

You Jew-haters aren't even rational while attacking the greatest patriot asset we have.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-02   0:44:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He always names the top in generalities i.e., the NWO this, the NWO that. The top level of the NWO has names - Rothschild, Rockefeller, Warburg, et. al., ... yet Alex mentions this only obliquely and quickly covers by resorting to the generality. Just a datum, but it is a datum of significance.

He was talking about the Rothschilds today. Were you listening?

Obviously, you don't listen very much or you would know better.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-02   0:47:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jones doesn't have a 'book business.' He's a documentary film maker - Which shows how much you know about his radio show.

And he issues all of the documentaries copywrite-free, so everyone can make as many copies as they want and distribute them, to get the information out to educate people.

No one else does that. It costs him hundreds of thousands of dollars.

And yes, how else can he make money to stay on the air? No one pays him a salary to be on a radio show. He has to obtain sponsors and sell products to pay the costs of broadcasting and pay his employees.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-02   0:53:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If it wasn't for Alex Jones, most people would never have heard of the USS Liberty.

You are delusional.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-02   14:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No one pays him a salary to be on a radio show.

Not openly, but behind the scenes I think he is paid well by the Zionists.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-02   14:44:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But he also blamed the Israelis.

No, he said he didn't really blame them. Do you want to listen to your idol saying that?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-02   14:47:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm bringing my bull horn over to your house. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-02   15:26:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No, he said he didn't really blame them. Do you want to listen to your idol saying that?

I don't have any idols - but I'll listen to any audio of Jone's show. I've listened to Jones talk about the attack on USS Liberty numerous times, with at least two times having the survivors on his show. Never has he said he "didn't blame" the Israelis. It didn't happen. That's an irrational thing to say and he didn't say it.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-03   0:37:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If it wasn't for Alex Jones, most people would never have heard of the USS Liberty. He interviewed many of the survivors on the air and marketed their documentary. Yes he blamed Johnson. But he also blamed the Israelis.

You Jew-haters aren't even rational while attacking the greatest patriot asset we have.

And who hates Jews?

I am not a big fan of Zionism (the creation of the Rothschild Banksters) but that has little to do with Jews other than they are used as cover for the activities of the Zionists - who are mainly communists/atheists and/or something darker.

My questions revolve more around Alex's avoidance of the criminality of the Rothschild Clan, its ties to Israel, and Israel as a criminal kleptocracy under the Rothschild banner.

The question was raised originally by Brother Nathaniel Kappner who asked some questions about Alex's softballing the Zionist State. Jeff Rense linked to that story - which he has done with a number of Brother Nathanael's articles. I frequently find Brother Nathanael a bit "over the top" but Alex's reaction was really quite interesting and disproportionate. It was the reaction of someone who has been withholding something and has come close to having it exposed. What that is I don't know but the reaction is what interested me because it is an indicator. The virulence of Alex's attack on Jeff has left me wondering. I don't have enough data to reach a conclusion, but what I have been able to read and deduce convinces me that there is something lying underneath this "incident" which I cannot name and do not have enough threads to deduce.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-03   0:45:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He always names the top in generalities i.e., the NWO this, the NWO that. The top level of the NWO has names - Rothschild, Rockefeller, Warburg, et. al., ... yet Alex mentions this only obliquely and quickly covers by resorting to the generality. Just a datum, but it is a datum of significance.

He was talking about the Rothschilds today. Were you listening?

Obviously, you don't listen very much or you would know better.

Actually I listen to him quite frequently which is why I floated those tentative thoughts. I am drawing no conclusions as I don't have enough data.

However, I do stand by my comment in that he talks a lot in generalities of this monolith called the NWO/Illuminati. These are run by people, peple with names an d identities., and while he does mention some names he seems to spend more time talking about "NWO" as a generality than Nathaniel Rothschild or tying it together. He provides the context but no the conclusion. That is what catches my eye. However, I'm still chewing on it.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-03   1:00:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I've listened to Jones talk about the attack on USS Liberty numerous times, with at least two times having the survivors on his show. Never has he said he "didn't blame" the Israelis. It didn't happen. That's an irrational thing to say and he didn't say it.

It did happen, watch and listen.

AlexJones-explains-USS-Liberty

He says very plainly and clearly, "and I don't even blame Israel for this."

Time to eat crow dude.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-03   1:54:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Dudette.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-03   2:04:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jones doesn't have a 'book business.' He's a documentary film maker - Which shows how much you know about his radio show.

Alex Jones' Dynamic Documentary Films and Powerful Books

Glitter & Greed: The Secret World of the Diamond Cartel (Hardcover)

Citizens' Rule Book (100-Pack) BK-CITRB-100padRegular price: $100.00padSale price: $74.95

The Rise of the Fourth Reich Hardcover: 448 pages

I see that Alex hawks many books that have been in print for years and that HE DIDN'T WRITE, so that certainly qualifies as a "book business" and by no stretch does that qualify as "documentary film making". (Michael Moore is a documentary film maker but he sells books that he wrote)

And, what are DVDs but books for dim witted cult followers who don't read? All charismatic cult leaders use audio, video and personal appearances for mind control because the written word doesn't have the same effect. And to label an hour long video of Jones' bluster, insults and ADL-friendly propaganda a "documentary" is really a stretch of the definition, wouldn't you say? "WATCH AS I DOCUMENT ME YELLING AND HUMPING SOME LOW LEVEL BUREAUCRAT'S LEG, AND THEN TRUST ME, THIS GUY IS THE ENEMY AND I'M REALLY FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT!" (David Gergen wears a toga at Bohemian Grove too? Oh My GAWD! Thank You Alex Jones!)

"Excuse me, Sir, I'm Alex Jones. Perhaps you've heard of me? I videotaped the secret rituals! And, I'm here with this cameraman to tell you that you're an asshole and that I'm a patriotic American! Now WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY FOR YOURSELF? HUH? HUH?"

(And, where does Alex claim that he only sells his ambush interviews "at cost" and that he's really an altruistic patriot? Every free promo he offers pays dividends as advertising just as it does when Arby's or Dairy Queen offer coupons for "free stuff". So when he spends "thousands of dollars for free DVDs" he's doing it to promote himself, and that's gonna cost ya down the road. Bet on it. In fact, I'll bet you've sent him money.

Can't you see that you've been blinded by love for a snake oil salesman who would not tell you the truth if it hurt his lucrative self promotion enterprise? (And fingering the primary beneficiaries of 9/11 and the USS Liberty would definitely be bad for business. *Alex says, "And I don't even blame Larry Silverman, really. I blame the Port Authority because they required Larry to carry insurance on their leased real estate and....."* HAH!)

And, any self styled patriot leader so arrogant as to try and tell me who I should and should not trust (Bro. Nathanial? BAD! Jeff Rense? BADDER! "You don't trust Alex Jones? JEW HATER!" Now that's very revealing.... ) had better be financially transparent because (unlike you) I'm not going to assume that he's any more immune to greed and corruption than the banksters who are my sworn enemy.

Alex Jones gives away DVDs?

Yeah, and banks give away toasters....

We have a member here who has copied and distributed DVDs at no cost to the members and there were no hidden charges or small print or profit motive at all.

Now that is how a true patriot avoids any appearance of impropriety, even though I (and I dare say most others) wouldn't mind paying for educational materials including a modest profit so as to avoid placing a value of zero on another's time and talents.

But, Jones is all about growing his for-profit charismatic cult and never doing any heavy lifting again, all the while taking great pains not to piss off any of the people who make planes crash and cause pandemics of mysterious "suicides". In others words the enemy we're supposed to be fighting.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-04-03   6:21:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Aw c'mon dawg. AJ's a member in good standing of Gush Eminem.

A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-03   11:01:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jeff Rense linked to that story - which he has done with a number of Brother Nathanael's articles. I frequently find Brother Nathanael a bit "over the top" but Alex's reaction was really quite interesting and disproportionate.

If you listened all/most the time, you would have the answer. Jones frequently complains about being attacked by other people in the same business. Yes, Jeff Rense is in the same business, on the same network - and apparently has enough time on his hands to make an issue of what Jones does or doesn't discuss in enough frequency or detail to his satisfaction.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   1:20:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The link doesn't work. It brought up winamp and then nothing loaded. I'll assume that he said "and I don't even blame Israel for this." In which case, I regard that as stupid and irrational. No, I don't always agree with what Jones says and he isn't always right. Yes, he makes mistakes. And no one on a radio program is going to please everyone. But Jones has done more to educate people -- mainly by interviewing excellent guests, over the years. And I think we should support his efforts, not work to destroy him, which is what the Feds would dearly love for us to do.

But don't believe everything that Hufschmid says, since he is so full of hate and envy for everyone and everything that that is all that emerges.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   1:27:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sounds like a load of crap, Dawg. I don't even know what you're talking about most of the time, in there. Jones puts his documentaries on the internet for free viewing and allows those who purchase his DVDs to make unlimited copywrite- free copies. He doesn't give away free DVDs. Yes, he sells some books. You were previously referring to books he wrote (which is now out-of-print) and you have changed the subject matter.

Yes, as I said, Jones has to sell something to make a living.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   1:33:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And I think we should support his efforts

Why? What are "his efforts"? You imply altruism where there is only corporate capitalism.

not work to destroy him,

Enough silliness. Since when is being critical (which is what all prudent minds do) seen as an attempt to "destroy"? This is demagoguery.

which is what the Feds would dearly love for us to do.

The feds don't need the sheople to do anything. They could take him anytime they pleased. Instead, he is able to scream on his bullhorn and protest unmolested when the common man would be arrested immediately for Disorderly Conduct at the very least. Perhaps it has to do with his measure of income, his protection by the best lawyer whores money can buy, the information he may collect and redistribute to the StateInc in return for protection, and his tax contributions to the god of State every April. Who knows?

But no, I do not see excercising discernment and prudence as an attack. Why are so many so defensive over this man? It is idol worship as seriously deranged as obamaphiles and dittoheads.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition


"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx

You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace

ALAS, BABYLON. It's over. Last one here turn out the lights.

IndieTX  posted on  2009-04-04   2:09:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You imply altruism where there is only corporate capitalism.

So anyone who makes an independent living is a bad guy now?

Critter  posted on  2009-04-04   7:10:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It is idol worship as seriously deranged as obamaphiles and dittoheads.

SHILL –noun

1. a person who poses as a customer in order to decoy others into participating, as at a gambling house, auction, confidence game, etc.

2. a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reas ons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.

But those that disagree are shills... LOL! Hypocrites are not usually so amusing...

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-04   7:22:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The link doesn't work. It brought up winamp and then nothing loaded

It is a WMV file. You need Windows Media Player.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-04   8:31:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's not what I said. You have a comprehension problem.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition


"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx

You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace

ALAS, BABYLON. It's over. Last one here turn out the lights.

IndieTX  posted on  2009-04-04   12:41:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They could take him anytime they pleased. Instead, he is able to scream on his bullhorn and protest unmolested when the common man would be arrested immediately for Disorderly Conduct at the very least.

Actually, I think he was arrested for something like that in New York. Happened outside the Fox studios iirc.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-04   12:46:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The feds don't need the sheople to do anything. They could take him anytime they pleased. Instead, he is able to scream on his bullhorn and protest unmolested when the common man would be arrested immediately for Disorderly Conduct at the very least.

And the fact that he isn't arrested (in most cases) should tell you all you need to know -- but apparently not. Arresting him could be real counter- productive for the Feds. They are concerned about the potential backlash.

Having said that, he was arrested in New York. He is 'detained' from time-to- time.

As for altruism, I have already detailed this. No one offers their documentary films to the public, copy-write free, to be copied and distributed. No one ever posts their documentary on the internet for free viewing after it cost $110,000 to make it. Alex Jones does this and it costs him hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue. And his documentaries, in case you would ever decide to watch one, attempts to help the public understand the events of our time. And if you were aware of this information, you would/could have gotten out of the stock market, etc. and saved your wealth from confiscation by the 'elite.' And currently, you would be getting out of all dollar denominated assets, since you would better understand what's going on.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   12:56:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's right. But I think he was just 'detained' and they dropped the charges. But I could be wrong about that. He was also detained in the Canadian airport to keep him away from the Bilderberg meeting. He would have been detained longer, except that they called in the Canadian press who (unlike their American whores) swamped the airport questioning what was going on.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   13:02:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And the fact that he isn't arrested (in most cases) should tell you all you need to know -- but apparently not. Arresting him could be real counter- productive for the Feds. They are concerned about the potential backlash.

Having said that, he was arrested in New York. He is 'detained' from time-to- time.

Hi, Alex.

I think you should apologize to Jeff on the air. Can you do that Alex? And please don't tell me you are not Alex. Who else would care about a loud mouth Israeli apologetic?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-04   13:08:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The link doesn't work

The link works fine. I can't help it you can't play WMV files Alex. Ask Paul to help you out.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-04   13:11:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

ratcat said:

No, I don't always agree with what Jones says and he isn't always right. Yes, he makes mistakes. And no one on a radio program is going to please everyone. But Jones has done more to educate people -- mainly by interviewing excellent guests, over the years. And I think we should support his efforts, not work to destroy him, which is what the Feds would dearly love for us to do.

ratcat is absolutely right. and i have said the same thing when this issue first came up a few weeks ago. In the past, the only ones who obsessed so much on anti jones blogs were fringe anti ziojew sites with low readership, who could never hit the mainstream to share anti-new world order information. but now for some reason the obsession has become like a virus for some normal people here and we cant shake it.

IndieTX said:

Why are so many so defensive over this man? It is idol worship as seriously deranged as obamaphiles and dittoheads.

Now we have those who don't like alex's show, or his information, claiming that anyone who supports his work is engaged in 'hero worship'. While they, instead of fighting the satan worshiping police state side, obsess on infowars as if they have literal obsessive-compulsive disorder or a hiccup that will not go away. mind--obsessed and tormented every day on 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,'

I mean, seriously, WHAT the F-U-C-K has happened to their MINDS, what has happened to this forum?? Eeegads man.

welcome to: the twlight zone

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-04-04   13:35:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He was also detained in the Canadian airport to keep him away from the Bilderberg meeting. He would have been detained longer, except that they called in the Canadian press who (unlike their American whores) swamped the airport questioning what was going on.

I hadn't heard about that. Good for the Canadian reporters.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-04   13:38:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Anyone that says they don't blame Israel for the USS Liberty attack, which no on denies they did do, while blaming Johnson, of which there is NO PROOF he had any thing whatsoever to do with it, is a shill for Israel. Anyone that is a shill for Israel, is a shill for a terrorist state.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-04   13:42:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Golden Earring is a Dutch rock band, founded in 1961 in The Hague as the Golden Earrings (the 's' was dropped in 1969). They had international chart success with the songs "Eight Miles High" in 1969, "Radar Love" in 1973, "Twilight Zone" in 1982, and "When The Lady Smiles" in 1984. In their home country, they had over 40 hits and made over 30 gold and platinum albums. Current members of Golden Earring are Barry Hay (vocals, guitar, flute and saxophone, member since 1968), George Kooymans (vocals and guitar, founder of band), Rinus Gerritsen (bass and keyboard, founding member), and Cesar Zuiderwijk (drums and percussion, member since 1970). Golden Earring have sold millions of albums worldwide, and they are the oldest rock band in the world that are still performing today. 2009 marks the return of the band to the UK and the release of a new studio album.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-04   13:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

'... 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' 'alex jones,' ...

Uh... You forgot to say "All Hail"... JK... maybe...

"anti jones blogs were fringe anti ziojew sites with low readership, who could never hit the mainstream to share anti-new world order information. "

Is it because they are anti zionists that they cant hit the "mainstream"?

I dont know how to break this to you, but Zionism is a really really big part of the NWO. Small wonder the al-fucking-mighty "mainstream" eludes them. My guess is they dont even care about "mainstream" audiences. I sure as "hell" dont.

But if you want to go mainstream, I'm sure you can find someone to pay your price. You just have to ignore certain things. Like Jones does.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-04   13:50:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In terrorstorm he covers the uss liberty, he's had all the witnesses on. and johnson said he wants the ship at the _ _ bottom, which shows complicity with the jews. if anyone reads my posts they will see i dont give a shit what the jews thinka nd i am anti zionist. i am also very impressed with Bishop Richard Williamson, who the Pope recently reinstated after he was excommunicated for a decade. Williamson is demonized in the press ; they allege he 'denies the holocaust', that is a lie, he simply cites credible researchg that questions the 'six million gassed number'. Williamson is also very elequent in stating that 911 was an inside job.

That is very very big news, for a sitting Catholic bishop to preech on that. but to my knowledge Jones has never been featured on infowars or interviewed on alex's show. I could be wrong, but i havent seen or heard it,. I have heard a caller into alex show mention williamson, she was a traditionalist catholic and member of society of pius X. That fact was not the point of her call though, but when she mentioned williamson in passing jones did not reply to that.

i just posted something few days ago about how the Pope in the past announced that jews should never be allowed to hold public office. Lol!! there is A LOT of anti zionist stuff put out by the church; but instead of finding it interesting or even amusing, which it was, we had the rabid anti-Catholicism posts come about, completely ignoring the historical significance of such bold pronoucements. oh well. I thought it was interesting anyway.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-04-04   14:01:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Is it because they are anti zionists that they cant hit the "mainstream"?

probably, or else they just dont have talent and arent skilled in working the system to their advantage. There are ways of getting coverage without being marginalized.

they dont even care about "mainstream" audiences. I sure as "hell" dont.

I think you do and you should. mainstream simply means the masses of muirkans who are ignorant and need to be woken up MAYDAY, MAYDAY, i know you care about humanity and i thought that was obviously your goal to help alert and awaken the general public. No?

Information wars, war requires tactics. you think jones listeners or those who hear him on coast to coast dont do their research and find out about the evil jews and the role zionism plays? of course they do.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-04-04   14:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Information wars, war requires tactics. you think jones listeners or those who hear him on coast to coast dont do their research and find out about the evil jews and the role zionism plays? of course they do.

No I dont think they do. Not as a majority. People are lazy and want to be spoonfed.

There seems to be a consensus here that in order to be in the mainstream, you must ignore zionism or risk being attacked by zionists.

Tell me, are zionists that badass? Are they that tough? Fuck no. THey bitch and moan a lot about antisemitism. BFD. But if you are sooooo worried about what these zionists rats think of you, then you will disregard this.

Run from a zionists and you are nothing but a pussy.

.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-04   14:16:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You completely missed ALL of my points. Go back and re-read your post to me, and my responses. I am tired of repeating and explaining myself when I was quite clear. Your one track mind has you blinded to what others say.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition


"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx

You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace

ALAS, BABYLON. It's over. Last one here turn out the lights.

IndieTX  posted on  2009-04-04   14:23:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The only ones obsessing on AJ are his mad followers..I don't give a rat's ass. You're all freeking nuts as far as I'm concerned. You discard everything everyone else says, you misconstrue it, you attribute things to it that are not true,..you're deluded. I've had enough already. Go back to your AJ Shrine and get lost.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition


"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx

You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace

ALAS, BABYLON. It's over. Last one here turn out the lights.

IndieTX  posted on  2009-04-04   14:26:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Anyone that says they don't blame Israel for the USS Liberty attack, which no on denies they did do, while blaming Johnson, of which there is NO PROOF he had any thing whatsoever to do with it, is a shill for Israel.

I don't expect you to understand this but We The People are supposed to have some control over our own government --- while we have no control over the Israel government. So if you look at it from the standpoint of TAKING ACTION, which Jones does and many of us do, then the target in that event (USS Liberty) was Pres. Johnson. He was the enabler of that act. He had to give the OK to the Israeli government. Otherwise, they would NEVER have done that to their cash cow and benefactor. Without Johnson, it would NEVER have happened. And Johnson hoped to use the deaths of those on the USS Liberty to justify further US aid and support to Israel.

It is for this very same reason that many of us in the 9/11 Truth Movement hold our own government responsible for what happened on that day --- because they enabled it. Unless NORAD took orders and stood down, it would never have happened. Unless the FBI ran interference and the CIA issued the visas and the FAA took orders, it would never have happened. But the Jew haters prefer to hold someone else accountable and give a pass to the criminals who run our government.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   14:27:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think you need to go back and read what I said. You obviously have a closed mind, not open to any other inputs. That's fine, you can do that. But don't expect everyone else to go out of their way to attempt to find some logic in what you say.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   14:29:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That was for you

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition


"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx

You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace

ALAS, BABYLON. It's over. Last one here turn out the lights.

IndieTX  posted on  2009-04-04   14:30:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There seems to be a consensus here that in order to be in the mainstream, you must ignore zionism or risk being attacked by zionists.

I think the zionists need to be exposed for what they do. But often it is our own elected officials who enable and finance them to be able to do it. Fix that and you fix the zionists and their criminal actions. Your energies are directed in the wrong place. We all need to direct our energies to the prosecution of the elected and appointed criminals who run our government.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   14:33:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Anyone that says they don't blame Israel for the USS Liberty attack, which no on denies they did do, while blaming Johnson, of which there is NO PROOF he had any thing whatsoever to do with it, is a shill for Israel.

I forgot to add that the information concerning the involvement of Pres. Johnson was obtained by the USS Liberty survivors and presented on the Alex Jones show -- one of the few outlets to the public they have - a continuious open door for them to speak to millions of people in the US.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   14:38:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1386494

Watch the video "Loss of Liberty" By Howard Films Duration: 51 min 53 sec - 2006-05-10 www.ussliberty.org

"'Loss of Liberty' makes clear that then-President Lyndon Johnson conspired with Israel and its Israel-First supporters inside the US government to support the 'tragic accident' scheme. Johnson was bogged down at the time in the Vietnam war, and thought he needed Israel Lobby support. Still, Johnson's behaviour is as unforgivable now as it was then. "

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   14:43:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I forgot to add that the information concerning the involvement of Pres. Johnson was obtained by the USS Liberty survivors and presented on the Alex Jones show -- one of the few outlets to the public they have - a continuious open door for them to speak to millions of people in the US.

that's what i heard on more than one occasion. where is the info coming from that aj never said Israel was responsible?

christine  posted on  2009-04-04   14:47:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think the zionists need to be exposed for what they do. But often it is our own elected officials who enable and finance them to be able to do it. Fix that and you fix the zionists and their criminal actions. Your energies are directed in the wrong place. We all need to direct our energies to the prosecution of the elected and appointed criminals who run our government.

OK, lets get specific here.

Tell me how we can prosecute the "elected and appointed criminals who run our government." without first killing off (literally) their zionist masters, without whose support will not be allowed to be (s)elected.

Lets go from the theoretical to the practical. Right now. Tell me how it can be done.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-04   14:49:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes they are all partners in crime, whether zionist or not. It is very difficult to get attorney generals, grand juries to do their legal duty. The criminals have control of the Dept. of Justice.

Our only option is to take control of the voting process and oust the vast majority of Congress - before they make themselves completely irrelevant.

We can hope that they kill each other, in this financial collapse.

But eventually we have to find some honest people, who can't be bought (like Ron Paul or his associates), to guide us back to Constitutional government.

It doesn't look very hopeful, does it? And many of us, likely including you, have been very pessimistic about this for a long time.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   15:00:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

that's what i heard on more than one occasion. where is the info coming from that aj never said Israel was responsible?

RickyJ is just saying that AJ doesn't blame Israel for doing it. I think he took the comment out of context. AJ blames Pres Johnson more since he gave the OK for Israel to do it and prevented other ships from coming to the aid of the USS Liberty.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   15:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It doesn't look very hopeful, does it? And many of us, likely including you, have been very pessimistic about this for a long time.

Actually, I am an optimist. But that doesn't mean I will come out of this smelling like a rose. The way I see it, we all stand a good chance of ending up dead.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-04   15:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I mean, seriously, WHAT the F-U-C-K has happened to their MINDS, what has happened to this forum?? Eeegads man.

I stopped asking why and just put (most) of them on bozo so my posting experience can remain somewhat pleasant. ;-) Small insignificant people don't waste my time anymore.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-04   15:25:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Actually, I am an optimist. But that doesn't mean I will come out of this smelling like a rose. The way I see it, we all stand a good chance of ending up dead.

LOL! We agree on that. If I wasn't an optimist, I wouldn't have bothered to try to educate people over the several years. But, we may pay a big price for it.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   15:25:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

johnson said he wants the ship at the _ _ bottom, which shows complicity with the jews.

Yeah, but they were....Joooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos ! Who cares that it takes an enemy within to sleep with an enemy without in these cases. The Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos man !!

Keep up with the devil inspired mantra plz. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-04   15:27:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

AJ blames Pres Johnson more since he gave the OK for Israel to do it and prevented other ships from coming to the aid of the USS Liberty.

http://www.gtr5.com/ is the survivors memorial website. Can you find anything in there regarding that?

Good luck...

.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-04   15:34:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

RickyJ is just saying that AJ doesn't blame Israel for doing it. I think he took the comment out of context. AJ blames Pres Johnson more since he gave the OK for Israel to do it and prevented other ships from coming to the aid of the USS Liberty.

When the focus is aimed at the enemy without instead of the enemy within, you have to wonder. IMO

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-04   15:41:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

people, who can't be bought (like Ron Paul or his associates

Yeah ron paul who says it's ''ludicrous and preposterous' that government could have been involved in 9/11 and that fema camps don't exist. when he is the best spokesman for liberty and our best elected rep, which I believe he is, then we are in trouble.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-04-04   15:42:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

OUCH !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-04   15:42:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

havent you heard? the new world order doesnt matter anymore, alex jones is the biggest enemy, and the biggest problem the country has nowdays. LOL!

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-04-04   15:43:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

LOL

Yeah, another reason the Internets are somewhat a waste of time.

For every serious and 'for real' poster like you - there's probably 1,000 morans like these stoooopid twits.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-04   15:46:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Can you find anything in there regarding that?

The website and video isn't about AJ. You likely missed my above comment #113 to RickyJ concerning this subject.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   15:47:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When the focus is aimed at the enemy without instead of the enemy within, you have to wonder.

Yes that is the focus of some people. And in so doing they actually play into the hands of the very people who they despise - since not much of anything can be accomplished to resolve the problem when the focus is on people over whom you have no control. That is what makes me suspicious of some of those who share that view.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   15:51:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

well said

bump

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-04   15:54:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah ron paul who says it's ''ludicrous and preposterous' that government could have been involved in 9/11 and that fema camps don't exist. when he is the best spokesman for liberty and our best elected rep, which I believe he is, then we are in trouble.

I think we have to have some appreciation for Ron Paul's position. He has narrowed his focus to that one area where he thinks he can do the most good for his country: abolishing the Fed. Any subject outside of this area, he will give short shift. He cannot accomplish anything by bogging himself down in controversy about 9/11 or FEMA camps -- however, unfortunate that may be. Right now, he has the greatest opportunity in recent history to expose the Fed for what it is. Once the American people grasp that one concept, the door is opened to all kinds of possibilities to restore Justice.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   15:56:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Heard a rumor the Jeff Rense was fired from GCN because he posted an article that Alex Jones is a Zionist agent.

In your opinion, how is Jones and Ted Anderson supposed to respond to this kind of action? Are they supposed to do nothing and wait to see what Rense does for an encore? There was nothing surprising about what Anderson did.

This kind of PUBLIC back-biting is what Jones has complained about and to which he is now just resigned to suing the perpetrators to get them off his back.

If someone on the network has a problem (and I doubt whether this was Rense's real problem) then they should be talking privately to the appropriate parties before they take action which is guaranteed to provoke harsh response.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   16:45:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh' c'mon. He's a Radio Personality. If he has a blind spot whether intentional or not that needs to be known.

The article was not written by Jeff which was an article written by Brother Nathanael. It raised some interesting and valid points which have been raised by others. Jeff Rense DID NOT accuse Jones of being a Zionist agent but the article suggested it as a possibility. The article brought out the fact that Jones wife is Jewish and that this could be creating a blind spot whether intentional or not. Jeff Rense is unafraid of is controversy and he will put up links to articles raising points which need to be examined and their merit determined. Jeff did not accuse Jones of being a Zionist Agent. He did not comment on the article but only posted a link to it. Here is a link to the article that created the controversy. I personally have defended Alex Jones on this forum and have argued against simplistic "the Jews dood it all" line of reasoning. My personal opinion is that Israel is a Cat's Paw of the Zionist Elite headed by the Rothschilds et. al., ... However, the article does raise points which should be examined - even if they are dismissed in the end.

Alex Jones's reaction was interesting to say the least. Had he wanted to rebut the article Jeff would no doubt have published the rebuttal as he presents both sides when appropriate.

The Mad Dog reaction of Jones was that of someone caught who is having a fit at being caught.

Ted Anderson is not a disinterested party. Alex Jones is what made GCN profitable and not something Ted had to subsidize out of his other business earnings. So, when Alex speaks Ted Obeys. It is nothing more complicated than that.

If Jones is another Rush Limbaugh in Patriot Drag that needs to be exposed. If he is not then it needs to be examined and repudiated convincingly as a false datum.

I draw no firm conclusion although I lean toward Alex being legit (I do have questions though), but with a blind spot because of his wife. Originally, I read, posted, and disclaimed any agreement with the article. If you read my post following you can see that.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-05   0:23:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hi, Alex.

I think you should apologize to Jeff on the air. Can you do that Alex? And please don't tell me you are not Alex. Who else would care about a loud mouth Israeli apologetic?

America is a nation where even obvious frauds and hucksters have millions of fans and many are only too happy to send money to the profiteers and pickpockets.

We're also a nation that never sought justice for the assassinations of John or Robert Kennedy or Dr King because our "leaders" thought that we wouldn't be served by the truth. (The govt admits this much. The implications of this are shocking because it also means that govt has something to hide)

And, of course the "generation in charge" then were people who followed all govt orders, including meatless Fridays and "hate Japs and Krauts" when encouraged to do so. Questioning the govt was something that only the lowest sort (like Julius and Ethyl who were executed and Ezra Pound who spent 13 years in an institution) dared to do.

And, now with 68 percent of the federal budget earmarked for entitlements I see fearful people who know the truth but don't dare speak up lest they lose their share of money, knowing that those who earned it and had it taken from them will never see a dime of it and hoping that it doesn't collapse before the corrupt recipients die and no longer have any need for it.

America is thoroughly compromised and the symbols that we held dear stand for nothing but nostalgia now.

If the people who still have principles can endure (what I fear is in store) then perhaps they'll be able to join with like minded others and start over in some region claimed for themselves someday.

But, any dream of a revolution to restore America's former greatness is a long shot, like betting on a horse that starts from a kneeling position. If for no other reason there are too many people whose brains are mush and they'd have to be ordered about like children and reeducated, and this fact alone would preclude any restoration of the freedoms we once believed America stood for.

I mean, think about it. If your "freedom zone" happened to be peopled with a majority of Pat Robertson or Alex Jones groupies, (or some other charismatic loudmouthed snake oil profiteer) guess who'd be your first president?

Americans know that the official fairie tales about Pearl Harbor, the assassinations, the Gulf Of Tonkin and even 9/11 are bullshit. But, after countless thousands of hours of TV and film "programming" they are fearful of the tragic ends that troublemakers always seem to meet. And, many others are kept in the chute on the way to the shearing room by religious and political leaders, and none are taught to question authority or analyze information or to even see when a self styled rebel leader has the effect of pacifying them.

It's an established fact that the CIA has control over numerous print and TV journalists, but Americans cannot tell us which are 'assets' and not to be believed.

Nor do they really want to know.

And each 'asset' has a certain targeted group that he/she is supposed to saturate with info and demoralize/neutralize, depending on just how much the targets wish to think "outside the box" and regard themselves as independent thinkers.

Americans are silly enough to believe that the "intel community" only controls establishment propaganda (remember the "Black Panther comic book" that was supposed to show little bruthas how to murder police officers that was actually the FBI's COINTEL program? It's alive and well) but how many Americans recognize self styled anti govt "leaders" that are obviously not what they claim to be?

The same Americans that cannot recognize (or are indifferent to) CIA assets on CBS, ABC or FOX obviously wouldn't have a clue that they're being led by a sheep dipped operative posing as a patriot leader. For instance, when Bo Gritz visited Randy Weaver and served as a mediator between Weaver and the government was he a constitutional patriot or still CIA? He was a third-party presidential candidate at the time. Would a true anti govt leader have been allowed to visit Weaver? (ANSWER; NO, they were all either murdered or framed into prison, i.e.Gordon Kahl and Leonard Peltier)

What does that tell us about Bo Gritz, third party candidates and "anti govt documentary film makers"? Are they all what they say they are just because they talk the talk?

Those who say that Randy Weaver "trusts Alex Jones" should be reminded that Weaver should have kicked Bo Gritz in the balls and sent him back to report to his handlers, but Weaver was just a dumb hillbilly who believed a bunch of wild-eyed Jeebus nonsense, and despite ample evidence of our govt's brutal policies he didn't know that his family would likely be murdered if he failed to respond to the federals summons and later arrest warrant after the govt promised to frame him and then made good on it.

In fact the poor man didn't understand that cutting a shotgun barrel a mere fraction of an inch too short for an ATF undercover after he had frustrated the govt that was trying to leverage him into becoming an informant was a fatal mistake. Of course it doesn't matter if Weaver "trusts" Jones because Weaver will never take up arms or even advocate the overthrow of the govt. All the fight that was in him is gone now, and he's probably made his peace with the govt that murdered his wife and son and decided to fight from the speaker's podium while accepting honorariums for his appearances.

I'm guessing that many of these poor lost souls who are "Jonesin' for leadership (or more precisely for infotainment) aren't any better at recognizing "govt assets" than Weaver is. Not that it matters because like Weaver they aren't ever going to do anything that would involve sticking their heads above the trench line anyway.

Several of his supporters have all but said, "So what if Alex Jones is a controlled asset? He's providing us with information!"

And, I suppose that if they never intend to engage the enemy anyway then charisma is very important part of their information stream. Otherwise it could be as boring as reading books by Eustace Mullins, Frédéric Bastiat, Martin Beckman and others whose principles and discipline would immediately alert them to a skunk in their chicken coops.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-04-05   2:37:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help]