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Title: Alex Jones Has A Cow Over Jeff Rense
Source: Jeff Rense's My Space
URL Source: http://www.myspace.com/Jeff_Rense
Published: Mar 31, 2009
Author: Jeff Rense
Post Date: 2009-03-31 02:25:15 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Jeff, Rense, Alex, Jones
Views: 3845
Comments: 139

Following is Jeff Rense's explanation of his discontinuation on GCN following Alex Jones' explosion on the phone with him. I'll let the e-mail he was responding to and his own response tell the story:

Why Jeff is Moving to a New and Better Network

Dear Friends of Liberty and Free Speech... Following is a reply I sent to a long-time listener and thought you should be able to read it, too. It will answer the basic questions many have asked. Thank you, all, for your kindness and support. I am looking forward to working with the new networks which will be making major efforts to present the program on far more stations than the former network ever did. With best regards to all of my good Friends here at MySpace...

Jeff From: Dan > Subject: Jeff Rense fired >Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 2:57 PM Heard a rumor the Jeff Rense was fired from GCN because he posted an article that Alex Jones is a Zionist agent. I called GCN. Ted Andersen is not in today but the first person I talked to confirmed the rumor, and the second person said they couldn't talk about it. This is extremely disheartening for all Americans who value the first amendment. If Ted Andersen does not, then it is our duty to expose him. Dan


Hello Dan... Thank you for your concern. I was not 'fired' because I was never paid by GCN. I was letting them have use of my program in exchange for commercial minutes each hour.

This is all about Jones...who called me at home last Tuesday afternoon just past 1pm and threatened to "destroy" me (and my family) over the well-written story by Brother Nathanael Kapner researching and seeking to understand the reasons why Jones is, and has long been, pro-zionist and an unabashed apologist of zionist Israel and its genocide of Palestinians...and generally steers people away from AIPAC and the Rothschild City of London banking monolith which controls so much of the Western world. The story is available here at Real Jew News. Note how the article cites direct quotes from Jones' own PrisonPlanet message board. I also, as the world knows, always encourage and post legitimate rebuttals to stories.

Matter of fact, when I told Jones to stop threatening me on the phone, he maniacally (no exaggeration) roared in his guttural, Neanderthal voice: "I'm not 'threatening' you...I PROMISE you I will destroy you!!!" Never in my life have I been terrorized like that and it is my personal opinion that such behavior is mentally deranged and unquestionably dangerous.

While this took place, my partner heard him bellowing and raging and screaming on the phone and she was shocked and stunned...as am I. The many stories and allegations about his abuse and threatening of others in this business would seem to be accurate, at least as far as I am concerned. I have filed a formal police report against him for interstate terrorism and threats.

Within an hour or so of his phone call, Ted Anderson emailed me notification of 30 day cancellation of our broadcast agreement. Jones has bragged to me and others that he "owns Ted Anderson's ass"...Ted is a lap dog and did as he was ordered. Jones efforts to censor the news are clear and unquestionable.

Jones ordered that my live programs be blocked last Tuesday and GCN has been running encores the last four nights without so much as the common courtesy of advising me which program would be aired.

After all and in sum, it is tragically clear Jones has an agenda which does not include steadfast support of our Constitution, Freedom of Speech and Inquiry, and Freedom of the Press. As so many others have claimed over the years, he is too often an opportunistic, self-aggrandizing tyrant and hypocrite who seeks to promote himself over all other issues, while clearly serving the wishes of special interest groups. At this point in time, after doing my program for fifteen years, I find that I must regrettably agree with that assessment. William Cooper, indeed, raised some very serious issues about Jones just before he was shot to death.

Please know that I expect to be back doing Live Programs by Monday night on at least two new networks. There will be a formal announcement on the site this weekend.

Thank you, most kindly, for your concern.

Jeff


Note from Moderator: Brother Kapner explored the issue of Jones' wife's religion as it was reflected on Jones' own PrisonPlanet site message board and did so as a journalistic tool to try to understand why he is so pro-Zionist.

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#51. To: farmfriend (#49)

He may be wrong but the fact that the above even comes up makes me think there is a grain of truth to it. Course I don't believe Alex or any other talk show host walks on water. No matter how good, they will be wrong from time to time. There will also be those who question their motives based on the errors.

There are several things that have gotten me thinking here lately - questioning Alex Jones and what he is really up to. I recall how Rush Limbaugh set himself up. He was pretty much a straightforward conservative up through NAFTA and then in '98 was when he really changed. He spent years building up his credibility by being on the money and truthful and then turned around and used that credibility to disinform and mislead, and I am beginning to wonder whether or not that is Alex Jones' game?

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-01   0:37:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Original_Intent (#0)

I have listened to Jones for 10 years. He is not a Zionist. He routinely points out the obvious problems with Zionists running our government and involvement in 9/11. No matter what he said about the Neocons, it wouldn't satisfy the Jew-haters.

Jones is the most highly effective tool against the NWO, providing free documentaries for educating the ignorant masses, police and the military. See The Obama Deception. That is why he is the target of the Feds across the internet and in the real world. Without his efforts, I would hate to see where we would be on that front. He has the full support of Ted Anderson.

Update:

http://www.myspace.com/Jeff_Rense

Regarding the Alex Jones Issue Those who know me and understand the enormous effort involved in presenting news and inquiry, fully-realize I do not threaten people. It is anathema to me and all that I stand for. The issues involved in the current controversy are virtually insignificant to the pressing mandate of confronting and exposing the enemy attacking what's left of our Liberty, our Constitution and our very way of life. I have not gone to court for a restraining order against Mr. Jones, nor have I filed formal charges against anyone. A police report and case number are far different and are employed to simply make formal note of an event. The critical nature of the crisis confronting the patriot community and our Republic requires the full energies of all of us, and I therefore consider the current issue closed. As I always have, I wish the Jones family and all honorable Americans health, wellness and security, just as I do for my own family. Both Mr. Jones and myself have been the recipients of many death threats over the years and I have now received even more to add to that sorry total. In bringing this matter to a close, I have removed my private reply to a longtime listener from my MySpace page. Once again, I do NOT threaten people nor have I ever done so in my entire life. I trust Mr. Jones will join with me in moving ahead together to confront the darkness now enshrouding our planet. There is simply no time for anything else.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-01   2:18:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: ratcat (#52)

No matter what he said about the Neocons, it wouldn't satisfy the Jew-haters.

He said he didn't blame Israel for its attack on the USS Liberty. Instead he blamed Johnson! He may not be a Zionist, but he sure does cover for them.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-01   2:22:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: ratcat (#52) (Edited)

A police report and case number are far different and are employed to simply make formal note of an event.

No one calls the police about a NON threat. Jones did indeed threaten him and it was enough to get Jeff to call the police over it. This issue isn't going away for the fat loud mouth Zionist supporter Alex Jones.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-01   2:53:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Original_Intent (#50)

It is not purely a Jewish thing, a Catholic thing, a Banker thing, or a Royal Fambly thing - it is a confluence of interests among power blocks who regard themselves as the rightful rulers of all mankind. Ultimately they are just a bunch of psychotic shitheads with ego problems.

Amen. I might add that sociopaths know no grouping.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-04-01   3:04:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: ratcat, TwentyTwelve, IndieTX, christine, Jethro Tull, Lady X, bluegrass, RickyJ, Original_Intent, farmfriend, Prefrontal Vortex, critter, PSUSA (#52) (Edited)

Jones is the most highly effective tool against the NWO, providing free documentaries for educating the ignorant masses, police and the military.

Right, and when the NWO springs the trap his cult followers will run to him only to have him say, "My fellow patriots, we don't have to put up with this! So, right after you surrender your weapons at the nearest police station I want you to order my new book JUST SAY NO TO THE NWO!

Now that the govt has finally stepped over the line we'll win our freedom back because we now have a reason to organize and stand together! It's all explained in this wonderful, hardbound book with full color illustrations and step by step instructions on how to Throw The Rascals Out and how to Stand Up And Be Counted!"

And friends, I promise you that we'll win America back from those mysterious Illuminists without ever firing a shot! Just as Mohandas K. Gandhi proved it can be done without guns! let's show those mysterious Illuminists what we Americans can do when we stand together!

In fact, I want you all to go to your windows and open them and shout, "I'm going to get mad as heck and starting tomorrow I'm not gonna take it anymore!"

Of course non violent civil disobedience was a tactic not a philosophy and it only worked for Gandhi because the British didn't dare drive a train over protesters blocking the rails. That would have resulted in every single British and Colonial soldier (who were greatly outnumbered and still clung to the illusion that they had a moral and legal "right" to rule over the natives) being slaughtered before the week was out.

The US govt and its ancillary forces (police, military cutouts, assassins, cutthroat groupies and millions of useful idiots and snitches) have no such moral limitation on their actions (remember Vicki Weaver? FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi became the darling of the fascist, state worship, law enforcement convention speakers' circuit after he gunned Weaver down) and, the US would nape a peaceful march on Washington if the participants refused to turn around and go home. And, thanks to decades of brain washing and learned helplessness Americans will be beaten before they ever start once certain programmed triggers are activated. (Key words such as "subversive, militia, terrorist, fanatic, Tim McVey," etc, will cause Americans' eyes to roll back in their heads and they'll go into Manchurian Candidate trances, and the following day they'll have the irresistible urge to buy the biggest TV screens they can find....)

I don't know when or where the revolution will begin, but I do know this: it won't be led By Alex Jones with a rifle in his hands. He has no real, air breathing enemies to speak of (with the possible exception of Jeff Rense) so why would he risk his lucrative book business for any reason? In fact Jones will be the first to discredit any true leader by claiming, "That kook is one of those wackos who only blames innocent Jewish persons for everything and he doesn't realize that the real enemy is a bunch of hairy footed hobbits who live in hollow trees, and more importantly their evil Illuminati counterparts such as Lyndon Johnson!"

If you select 100,000 American men at random I'll show you 40,000 govt snitches and perhaps two men who can be relied upon to serve honorably and sacrifice all for posterity and their children. And, those who tune in to AJ for "the truth" have surrendered their critical thinking skills and free will without ever realizing it. They may think that they retain the ability to recognize the moment that Jones reveals himself as an enemy tool, but they don't. If they can't see the truth now then nothing Jones says will want for an explanation/apology just as they're already programmed to do now.

No, I'm sorry to say that if worst comes to worst Alex Jones would print and sell "The Patriot's Cookbook-100 Ways To Cook Mouth Watering Bat Wings Around A Hobo Campfire"

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-04-01   3:40:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: HOUNDDAWG, all (#56)

The US govt and its ancillary forces (police, military cutouts, assassins, cutthroat groupies and millions of useful idiots and snitches) have no such moral limitation on their actions

I don't know when or where the revolution will begin, but I do know this: it won't be led By Alex Jones with a rifle in his hands

If you select 100,000 American men at random I'll show you 40,000 govt snitches and perhaps two men who can be relied upon to serve honorably and sacrifice all for posterity and their children

Again, you've hit a home run Hounddawg. Well done.

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"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx

You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace

ALAS, BABYLON. It's over. Last one here turn out the lights.

IndieTX  posted on  2009-04-01   3:45:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: IndieTX (#57)

Thank you.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-04-01   3:48:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Original_Intent (#46)

This is true, AFAIK. It's the "self-hating Jew" argument. That is usually the card they play.

One thing about Rense, he doesn't dodge the zionism issue.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-01   6:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: HOUNDDAWG, All (#56)

Information only works if it prepares someone for action. This "we just need to educate people" nonsense will not work. What good is it to be a slave AND know your slavemasters name? Congrats, you are a smart slave!

The information needed is to prepare people for a shooting war. That is the only kind of resistance that will matter. Not a bunch of crap about an organization that died out in the 1700's, or "Germanic death cults", or faceless "elites". You're not going to remove them with your mighty knowledge, just with your actions, when the time is right.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-01   6:23:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: PSUSA (#60)

You're not going to remove them with your mighty knowledge, just with your actions, when the time is right.

When is the time going to be right? According to all your BS that you've been spewing around here, the time is way past right.

You're a big talker. Tell us, when are you going to start it?


Beware!
This guy may be prowling 4um:

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Critter  posted on  2009-04-01   6:44:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Critter (#61)

Still trying to provoke me? LOL!

Now, go worship at the Altar Of St. Alex. He's been having a rough time of it lately.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-01   6:56:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: HOUNDDAWG (#56)

I'll drink to that.

A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-01   8:26:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: PSUSA (#60)

This "we just need to educate people" nonsense will not work.

The whole thing is just a little too, well, Freudian.

No, Virginia, dredging up your suppressed childhood trauma doesn't magically make things better. But it keeps your psychoanalyst employed.

CBT is where it's at baby!

A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-01   8:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#64)

I am not quite sure what you mean. Can you please be a little less cryptic?

What is CBT?

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-01   8:45:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: PSUSA (#65)

CBT

A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-01   8:57:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: PSUSA (#62)

Still trying to provoke me? LOL!

Still try to show you for what you seem to be, a shill.

So it's ok for you to keep to an unknown "time is right" but anyone in the spotlight has to call for armed insurrection now, so they can be dragged off to Gitmo?


Beware!
This guy may be prowling 4um:

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Critter  posted on  2009-04-01   9:19:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Critter (#67)

No, not hardly. No one will call for armed insurrection, it will just happen, IMO. It wont happen on my schedule, or yours.

Now do you want to talk without the fucking idiotic name calling? Your call, and your answer doesn't mean that much to me, but its better to get along than not.

Or if you still think I am a "shill", play nice and set a trap for me. LOL!

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-01   9:34:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#66)

OK. Thanks. I did a search for that and found some really perverted S&M practices as one definition...

Somehow I couldn't imagine that is what you meant...

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-01   9:36:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: PSUSA (#60)

Information only works if it prepares someone for action. This "we just need to educate people" nonsense will not work. What good is it to be a slave AND know your slavemasters name? Congrats, you are a smart slave!

And you are a twit. Don't you think that if millions of folks are necessary to make a revolutionary change, that it might help if more than two are informed ???

Obummer spent almost a trillion on propaganda to make people "think" they might get a change, didn't he ???

Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.

De La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2009-04-01   9:43:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: noone222 (#70)

THere are a lot of people buried that should have engraved on their tombstones "He was an educated man. But he was still an idiot".

People that know, know. People that don't, don't give a damn. You can't change that. Change comes from within, not from without.

And I think there are more out there than the "two that are informed".

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-01   10:01:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: noone222, PSUSA (#70)

Don't you think that if millions of folks are necessary to make a revolutionary change, that it might help if more than two are informed ???

As soon as a person becomes independent, the social worker is out of a job.

Millions joining is not necessary for the revolution. Millions joining is the revolution.

If lots of people have joined and little has changed, it's not a revolutionary movement, is it?

A truth movement is an oxymoron.

Obummer spent almost a trillion on propaganda to make people "think" they might get a change, didn't he ???

Obummer is not a revolutionary.

A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-01   12:23:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#72)

As soon as a person becomes independent, the social worker is out of a job.

But some people that claim independence and want freedom have exchanged one form of dependency for another, and one form of slavery for another.

What I find interesting is how certain well-known people (cough cough) lie on occasion, the same way the MSM lies on occasion. None of them lie all the time, just often enough to provoke a desired reaction.

These certain "patriotic" people criticize and expose the MSM at every opportunity, but they wont criticize and expose the lies in the alternative media. Not only do they not criticize and expose them, THEY COVER UP FOR THEM and EXCUSE THEM as being the "lesser of 2 evils", in the exact same way they criticize the political process.

It's all in who's doing it. And this blows my mind that they don't see this. In fact, this criticism and exposure pisses them off mightily to the point that they totally ignore the truth of the matter and start name calling. .

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-01   12:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#72)

Obummer is not a revolutionary.

You spout a ton of ignorance here and truthfully some of it is so whacked I can't even understand your intent, but the above quote from you should be locked in for future reference ... this one simple statement demonstrates the total ignorance that you must be living in.

Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.

De La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2009-04-01   12:57:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: noone222 (#74)

Hahahaha! You just don't get do you? Obummer is as establishment as can be.

A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-01   19:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: RickyJ, Original_Intent, HOUNDDAWG (#53)

He said he didn't blame Israel for its attack on the USS Liberty. Instead he blamed Johnson! He may not be a Zionist, but he sure does cover for them.

If it wasn't for Alex Jones, most people would never have heard of the USS Liberty. He interviewed many of the survivors on the air and marketed their documentary. Yes he blamed Johnson. But he also blamed the Israelis.

You Jew-haters aren't even rational while attacking the greatest patriot asset we have.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-02   0:44:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Original_Intent (#47)

He always names the top in generalities i.e., the NWO this, the NWO that. The top level of the NWO has names - Rothschild, Rockefeller, Warburg, et. al., ... yet Alex mentions this only obliquely and quickly covers by resorting to the generality. Just a datum, but it is a datum of significance.

He was talking about the Rothschilds today. Were you listening?

Obviously, you don't listen very much or you would know better.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-02   0:47:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: HOUNDDAWG (#56)

Jones doesn't have a 'book business.' He's a documentary film maker - Which shows how much you know about his radio show.

And he issues all of the documentaries copywrite-free, so everyone can make as many copies as they want and distribute them, to get the information out to educate people.

No one else does that. It costs him hundreds of thousands of dollars.

And yes, how else can he make money to stay on the air? No one pays him a salary to be on a radio show. He has to obtain sponsors and sell products to pay the costs of broadcasting and pay his employees.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-02   0:53:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: ratcat (#76)

If it wasn't for Alex Jones, most people would never have heard of the USS Liberty.

You are delusional.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-02   14:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: ratcat (#78)

No one pays him a salary to be on a radio show.

Not openly, but behind the scenes I think he is paid well by the Zionists.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-02   14:44:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: ratcat (#76)

But he also blamed the Israelis.

No, he said he didn't really blame them. Do you want to listen to your idol saying that?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-02   14:47:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Original_Intent (#1)

I'm bringing my bull horn over to your house. ;-)


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-04-02   15:26:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: RickyJ (#81)

No, he said he didn't really blame them. Do you want to listen to your idol saying that?

I don't have any idols - but I'll listen to any audio of Jone's show. I've listened to Jones talk about the attack on USS Liberty numerous times, with at least two times having the survivors on his show. Never has he said he "didn't blame" the Israelis. It didn't happen. That's an irrational thing to say and he didn't say it.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-03   0:37:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: ratcat (#76)

If it wasn't for Alex Jones, most people would never have heard of the USS Liberty. He interviewed many of the survivors on the air and marketed their documentary. Yes he blamed Johnson. But he also blamed the Israelis.

You Jew-haters aren't even rational while attacking the greatest patriot asset we have.

And who hates Jews?

I am not a big fan of Zionism (the creation of the Rothschild Banksters) but that has little to do with Jews other than they are used as cover for the activities of the Zionists - who are mainly communists/atheists and/or something darker.

My questions revolve more around Alex's avoidance of the criminality of the Rothschild Clan, its ties to Israel, and Israel as a criminal kleptocracy under the Rothschild banner.

The question was raised originally by Brother Nathaniel Kappner who asked some questions about Alex's softballing the Zionist State. Jeff Rense linked to that story - which he has done with a number of Brother Nathanael's articles. I frequently find Brother Nathanael a bit "over the top" but Alex's reaction was really quite interesting and disproportionate. It was the reaction of someone who has been withholding something and has come close to having it exposed. What that is I don't know but the reaction is what interested me because it is an indicator. The virulence of Alex's attack on Jeff has left me wondering. I don't have enough data to reach a conclusion, but what I have been able to read and deduce convinces me that there is something lying underneath this "incident" which I cannot name and do not have enough threads to deduce.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-03   0:45:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: ratcat (#77)

He always names the top in generalities i.e., the NWO this, the NWO that. The top level of the NWO has names - Rothschild, Rockefeller, Warburg, et. al., ... yet Alex mentions this only obliquely and quickly covers by resorting to the generality. Just a datum, but it is a datum of significance.

He was talking about the Rothschilds today. Were you listening?

Obviously, you don't listen very much or you would know better.

Actually I listen to him quite frequently which is why I floated those tentative thoughts. I am drawing no conclusions as I don't have enough data.

However, I do stand by my comment in that he talks a lot in generalities of this monolith called the NWO/Illuminati. These are run by people, peple with names an d identities., and while he does mention some names he seems to spend more time talking about "NWO" as a generality than Nathaniel Rothschild or tying it together. He provides the context but no the conclusion. That is what catches my eye. However, I'm still chewing on it.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-03   1:00:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: ratcat (#83) (Edited)

I've listened to Jones talk about the attack on USS Liberty numerous times, with at least two times having the survivors on his show. Never has he said he "didn't blame" the Israelis. It didn't happen. That's an irrational thing to say and he didn't say it.

It did happen, watch and listen.

AlexJones-explains-USS-Liberty

He says very plainly and clearly, "and I don't even blame Israel for this."

Time to eat crow dude.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-03   1:54:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: RickyJ, ratcat. (#86)

Dudette.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-03   2:04:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: ratcat, TwentyTwelve, IndieTX, christine, Jethro Tull, Lady X, bluegrass, RickyJ, Original_Intent, farmfriend, Prefrontal Vortex, critter, PSUSA (#78) (Edited)

Jones doesn't have a 'book business.' He's a documentary film maker - Which shows how much you know about his radio show.

Alex Jones' Dynamic Documentary Films and Powerful Books

Glitter & Greed: The Secret World of the Diamond Cartel (Hardcover)

Citizens' Rule Book (100-Pack) BK-CITRB-100padRegular price: $100.00padSale price: $74.95

The Rise of the Fourth Reich Hardcover: 448 pages

I see that Alex hawks many books that have been in print for years and that HE DIDN'T WRITE, so that certainly qualifies as a "book business" and by no stretch does that qualify as "documentary film making". (Michael Moore is a documentary film maker but he sells books that he wrote)

And, what are DVDs but books for dim witted cult followers who don't read? All charismatic cult leaders use audio, video and personal appearances for mind control because the written word doesn't have the same effect. And to label an hour long video of Jones' bluster, insults and ADL-friendly propaganda a "documentary" is really a stretch of the definition, wouldn't you say? "WATCH AS I DOCUMENT ME YELLING AND HUMPING SOME LOW LEVEL BUREAUCRAT'S LEG, AND THEN TRUST ME, THIS GUY IS THE ENEMY AND I'M REALLY FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT!" (David Gergen wears a toga at Bohemian Grove too? Oh My GAWD! Thank You Alex Jones!)

"Excuse me, Sir, I'm Alex Jones. Perhaps you've heard of me? I videotaped the secret rituals! And, I'm here with this cameraman to tell you that you're an asshole and that I'm a patriotic American! Now WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY FOR YOURSELF? HUH? HUH?"

(And, where does Alex claim that he only sells his ambush interviews "at cost" and that he's really an altruistic patriot? Every free promo he offers pays dividends as advertising just as it does when Arby's or Dairy Queen offer coupons for "free stuff". So when he spends "thousands of dollars for free DVDs" he's doing it to promote himself, and that's gonna cost ya down the road. Bet on it. In fact, I'll bet you've sent him money.

Can't you see that you've been blinded by love for a snake oil salesman who would not tell you the truth if it hurt his lucrative self promotion enterprise? (And fingering the primary beneficiaries of 9/11 and the USS Liberty would definitely be bad for business. *Alex says, "And I don't even blame Larry Silverman, really. I blame the Port Authority because they required Larry to carry insurance on their leased real estate and....."* HAH!)

And, any self styled patriot leader so arrogant as to try and tell me who I should and should not trust (Bro. Nathanial? BAD! Jeff Rense? BADDER! "You don't trust Alex Jones? JEW HATER!" Now that's very revealing.... ) had better be financially transparent because (unlike you) I'm not going to assume that he's any more immune to greed and corruption than the banksters who are my sworn enemy.

Alex Jones gives away DVDs?

Yeah, and banks give away toasters....

We have a member here who has copied and distributed DVDs at no cost to the members and there were no hidden charges or small print or profit motive at all.

Now that is how a true patriot avoids any appearance of impropriety, even though I (and I dare say most others) wouldn't mind paying for educational materials including a modest profit so as to avoid placing a value of zero on another's time and talents.

But, Jones is all about growing his for-profit charismatic cult and never doing any heavy lifting again, all the while taking great pains not to piss off any of the people who make planes crash and cause pandemics of mysterious "suicides". In others words the enemy we're supposed to be fighting.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-04-03   6:21:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: HOUNDDAWG (#88)

Aw c'mon dawg. AJ's a member in good standing of Gush Eminem.

A nation based on race has to keep other races out. A government dedicated to a proposition has to keep ideas out.
The 'inner Jew': Tyler Durden with a yarmulka.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-03   11:01:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Original_Intent (#84)

Jeff Rense linked to that story - which he has done with a number of Brother Nathanael's articles. I frequently find Brother Nathanael a bit "over the top" but Alex's reaction was really quite interesting and disproportionate.

If you listened all/most the time, you would have the answer. Jones frequently complains about being attacked by other people in the same business. Yes, Jeff Rense is in the same business, on the same network - and apparently has enough time on his hands to make an issue of what Jones does or doesn't discuss in enough frequency or detail to his satisfaction.

ratcat  posted on  2009-04-04   1:20:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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