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Title: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
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Published: Apr 5, 2009
Author: whatreallyhappened.com
Post Date: 2009-04-05 01:25:36 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: 9/11, 911, Thermite, WTC Collapses
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Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic. Webmaster's Commentary: Folks, this is a major story and will be totally ignored by ABCNNBBCBS. This is a peer-reviewed report in a science journal which confirms the presence of a manufactured material consisting of tiny flakes of aluminum metal coated with iron oxide discovered at four different locations in the wreckage of the World Trade Center. Aluminum and iron oxide, mixed equally by weight, is the classic recipe for thermite. This material is very fine, increasing its burn speed, and apparently has some additional components (besides the very fine granular size) which lower the ignition temperature. This report directly contradicts the official government claim that there was no trace of internal explosives in the ruins of the World Trade Center. See Thermite and the WTC Collapses Posted on Apr 04, 2009 at 07:49 Tags: * 911
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#290. To: christine (#265)
Aha...yer an hour behind assuming yer not 2 hours behind because you live in one of those counties that don't observe Daylight Time...
And your point is????
How many 9/11 Conferences have you attended? Were you at the one in in LA? Chicago? Dallas?
And your point is???? You know how murderers sometimes go to the funerals of their victims....
#291. To: war, Original_Intent (#289)
How many 9/11 funerals did you attend?
#292. To: war, Original_Intent (#289)
How many 9/11 funerals did you attend?
#293. To: TwentyTwelve, war, Original_Intent (#291)
How many 9/11 funerals did you attend?
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#294. To: war (#289)
Attending a funeral makes you an expert in physics and structural engineering? That's a new one. I got some erroneous info that the WTC towers had steel a reinforced concrete core. At least I think it was erroneous now. It appears it was dry wall instead. But that doesn't explain the towers collapse at all. In 1975 the North Tower burned for much longer and much more intensely than on 9/11, it didn't fall like a house of cards then.
How many 9/11 funerals did you attend?
God is always good!
#295. To: war, TwentyTwelve, Critter, christine, Wudidiz, litus, all (#287)
Didn't you say they made it to 85? I mis-spoke which I corrected in my next post (#269). You're reaching shill. Your disinformation tactics are now so obvious that even a freeptard might catch on. Of course what you are trying to do is distract from the key points of the transcript: Firefighters made it to the 78th floor. There were survivors amidst the alleged raging inferno which an experienced Battalion Chief described as "...two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines". Hardly a raging inferno hot enough to melt steel. And there were survivors to be evacuated from amidst that inferno hot enough to melt steel. You are really stupid shill if you think I will bite on your attempt to draw me into a diversion which takes away from the point you want people to miss. There were survivors. There were two small pockets of fire requiring only two hose teams. That is not a raging inferno hot enough to melt steel. Once again you are exposed as a liar and a shill. Who do you work for shill? How much do they pay you? Minimum wage? You're certainly not worth more than that.
Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#296. To: Original_Intent, Uncle Bill (#295)
as Uncle Bill (where are you?) once wrote, anyone who peddles .gov's fairy tale is either brain dead or a shill.
#297. To: christine, Original_Intent, Uncle Bill, war (#296)
And the brain dead typically don't make up lies and act like raging psychopaths, unlike our little friend war...
as Uncle Bill (where are you?) once wrote, anyone who peddles .gov's fairy tale is either brain dead or a shill.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#298. To: Original_Intent (#266)
Very similar to the JFK assassination witnesses...
Oh, and one of the reasons that aid is being withheld from the heroes of the FDNY is that there are too many living witnesses who have gone on record saying there were explosions. The criminals who orchestrated this false flag terror crime WANT them to die as quickly as possible to get rid of inconvenient witnesses.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#299. To: Original_Intent (#266)
Those are all highly pertinent facts that the shills tap dance around and do whatever they can to obscure. They depend on the simple fact that for many, it's so much easier to go along with the herd than to actually think about the facts, as once one considers the facts, it becomes clear that we are STILL under constant threat of another series of attacks by those who TRULY perpetrated the 9/11 terror attacks, and that we have been killing people and losing American lives in the Middle East for NOTHING.
That is NOT a raging inferno it is a moderate building fire which would have been easily controlled. We know that the aircraft did not substantially damage the massively reinforced steel girder core (which was interlocked and so would have acted as a "heat sink" resulting in holding the temperature of the steel down below any of the critical points), that the fuel was burned up within ten minutes, and that the overbuilt cores of the building were more than adequate to sustain the level of proven damage and remain standing.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#300. To: Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, Critter, christine, Wudidiz, litus (#295)
And that is something we can NEVER expect to hear reported on television news. And for the brain dead, if it's not on TV news, then it mustn't be true because they truly think reporters and news editors are free to report on whatever they wish.
There were survivors amidst the alleged raging inferno which an experienced Battalion Chief described as "...two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#301. To: Original_Intent (#266) (Edited)
Since steel is a very good conductor of heat the whole building acted like one giant heat sink. Some warping of the steel could have occurred in the hottest spots given enough time, but 1 hour of smoldering fires wasn't enough time nor enough heat to cause warping. The 1975 fire in the North tower showed that it takes much more than one hour for any damage to occur from a raging fire in a steel framed skyscrapper, which it was. That fire was much hotter and lasted much longer than the fires on 9/11. Only minor warping resulted from that fire. But it didn't effect the structural integrity of the building in the slightest.
. We know that the aircraft did not substantially damage the massively reinforced steel girder core (which was interlocked and so would have acted as a "heat sink" resulting in holding the temperature of the steel down below any of the critical points)
God is always good!
#302. To: RickyJ (#301)
Yes, but you are not a trained WTC structural engineer, so you are not allowed to understand anything like simple physics. Now stop trying to trick us with logic, will ya? < /sarcasm >
Since steel is a very good conductor of heat the whole building acted like one giant heat sink. Some warping of the steel could have occurred in the hottest spots given enough time, but 1 hour of smoldering fires wasn't enough time nor enough heat to cause warping.
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#303. To: Original_Intent (#295)
The difference between 78 and 85 is 7 floors or half a football field, moron. YOuyr penchant for inaccuracy is well establised. OI: WTC 7 falling at free fall speed PROVES it was brought down by control demolition. ~versus~ OI: WTC& Falling at LESS THAN free fall speed PROVES that it was brought down by controlled demolition. My next question is: ...where's the other banjo?
You're reaching shill.
#304. To: Original_Intent (#295)
1045 Code one means DEAD fool...
There were survivors.
#305. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, Critter, christine, Wudidiz (#300)
And that is something we can NEVER expect to hear reported on television news. And for the brain dead, if it's not on TV news, then it mustn't be true because they truly think reporters and news editors are free to report on whatever they wish. Fire Department Tape Reveals No Awareness of Imminent Doom ''We're gonna knock down some fire here in the B Stair,'' Lieutenant Leavey is heard telling one of his firefighters. ''We'll meet up with you. You get over to the A Stair and help out Chief Palmer.'' The time was 9:56 a.m. The firefighters had just arrived at a place where, 54 minutes earlier, many people had been waiting for elevators when the second plane came crashing through the building. Now Chief Palmer and Ladder 15 were surrounded by the wounded whom they hoped to evacuate. There were survivors amidst the alleged raging inferno which an experienced Battalion Chief described as "...two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines".
Ladder 15 had finally found the fire after an arduous climb to the 78th floor, according to the tape. They were in the B stairwell. On the other side of the fire were hundreds of people, blocked from fleeing by smoke and flame on the stairs. Chief Palmer was facing similar fires in the A stairwell, across the floor.
#306. To: war (#304)
1045 Code one means DEAD fool... Nice attempt at misdirection. NOT. Where's the raging inferno hot enough to melt steel? If it was hot enough to melt steel there would be no bodies to be recovered. There WERE survivors to be recovered. Remember the photo of the woman looking out the hole made by one of the planes? Per the Battalion Chief's report from the scene there were two small pockets of fire requiring just 2 hose teams. You are attempting to direct attention away from the key data. In other words you are using disinformation tactics. Why do you find it necessary to direct attention away from the data with disinformation tactics? Play Again?
There were survivors.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#307. To: War (#306) (Edited)
"Why do you find it necessary to direct attention away from the data with disinformation tactics?"
#308. To: litus, FormerLurker, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, Critter, christine, Wudidiz, Whore, war, all (#305)
Ladder 15 had finally found the fire after an arduous climb to the 78th floor, according to the tape. They were in the B stairwell. On the other side of the fire were hundreds of people, blocked from fleeing by smoke and flame on the stairs. Chief Palmer was facing similar fires in the A stairwell, across the floor. ''We're gonna knock down some fire here in the B Stair,'' Lieutenant Leavey is heard telling one of his firefighters. ''We'll meet up with you. You get over to the A Stair and help out Chief Palmer.'' The time was 9:56 a.m. The firefighters had just arrived at a place where, 54 minutes earlier, many people had been waiting for elevators when the second plane came crashing through the building. Now Chief Palmer and Ladder 15 were surrounded by the wounded whom they hoped to evacuate. Another thought which hit me from your post. It is another one of those "but the dog did not bark in the night" datums. There is no sound of the structure beginning to fail. There is no apparent awareness by experienced firefighters that the building is in danger of collapsing. No snapping girders, no creaking structure, nothing. The building just suddenly, without warning, decides to collapse straight down into roughly its own footprint including the massively reinforced H-beam core which Whore tried inititially to deny existed as the structure's primary load bearing support. That is an important datum, because in a normal failure there are going to be precursors to failure. There will be sound, falling walls, snapping girders, etc., ..., but THERE WAS NO SOUND INDICATING IMMINENT COLLAPSE even up to the last transmission at 9:58. The building just decided to collapse uniformly, symmetrically, and into its own footprint. We know the fire WAS MOST DEFINITELY NOT hot enough to melt steel or even soften it enough to fail. Certainly the entire floor was not on fire as witnessed by the firefighters being able to access it, walk around, and report the conditions on the scene back. The Battalion Chief reported that he needed only two teams to fight two small pockets of fire. That again is NOT a raging inferno. So, the question of course is what causes a building showing no signs of imminent collapse to suddenly collapse, uniformly, symmetrically, at near free fall velocity into its own footprint? What would cause that? Certainly not the nonexistent raging inferno. The only hypothesis that accounts for ALL the data is an intentional controlled explosive demolition. As with all 911 threads the valid data always leads back to that one hypothesis as the ONLY ONE which accounts for ALL of the data.
Fire Department Tape Reveals No Awareness of Imminent Doom
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#309. To: TwentyTwelve (#307)
At the very least we should be seeing wholesale retrofitting of high rises worldwide to prevent theses types of "accidents" in the future. That is... if they believe their own scenarios. lololol The followup behaviors always give them away.
"Why do you find it necessary to direct attention away from the data with disinformation tactics?"
#310. To: mininggold (#309)
They almost always incriminate themselves.
The followup behaviors always give them away.
#311. To: Original_Intent (#308)
Excellent observation and point! There should have been sounds indicative of imminent structural failure.
in a normal failure there are going to be precursors to failure. There will be sound, falling walls, snapping girders, etc., ..., but THERE WAS NO SOUND INDICATING IMMINENT COLLAPSE even up to the last transmission at 9:58. The building just decided to collapse uniformly, symmetrically, and into its own footprint.
#312. To: war (#303)
Certainly you can not be serious when you complain about being put on Bozo, when you try to squelch discussion in this fashion.
...where's the other banjo?
#313. To: war (#303)
Twenty Five Ways to Suppress The Truth: The Rules of Disinformation 4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues. I never said the building fell at free fall speed I said the building fell at near free fall speed which anyone with a copy of the video and a stopwatch can verify for themselves. Even you shill. 17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues. 18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#314. To: Original_Intent (#313)
WAR: They did not fall at free fall speed. OI: Gonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng! Wrong answer Private! Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-17 11:54:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply The building's collapse from initiation to completion took 6.6 seconds. A pure freefall from the buildings top, say if you dropped a Bowling Ball, is 6 seconds. So, the obvious conclusion is that the structure offered little or no resistance to the collapse of the structure. Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 13:50:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I never said the building fell at free fall speed
#315. To: litus (#311)
Excellent observation and point! There should have been sounds indicative of imminent structural failure. Thanks. Yes, that is what struck me - one of those blindingly obvious things when you think about it but easy to miss because you are looking for something that did happen not something that did not happen.
in a normal failure there are going to be precursors to failure. There will be sound, falling walls, snapping girders, etc., ..., but THERE WAS NO SOUND INDICATING IMMINENT COLLAPSE even up to the last transmission at 9:58. The building just decided to collapse uniformly, symmetrically, and into its own footprint.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#316. To: Original_Intent (#306)
Half a football field away where FDNY could NOT get to. Where's the raging inferno hot enough to melt steel?
#317. To: War (#315)
Did you hear the sounds War? Did you?
There should have been sounds indicative of imminent structural failure.
#318. To: war (#314) (Edited)
WAR: They did not fall at free fall speed. OI: Gonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng! Wrong answer Private! Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-17 11:54:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply The building's collapse from initiation to completion took 6.6 seconds. A pure freefall from the buildings top, say if you dropped a Bowling Ball, is 6 seconds. So, the obvious conclusion is that the structure offered little or no resistance to the collapse of the structure. Original_Intent posted on 2009-03-26 13:50:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Lets see how good you are at elementary mathematics: Free Fall speed = 6 seconds. The collapse on the video I used took 6.6 seconds. Solve for "X".
i I never said the building fell at free fall speed
6.6 - 6.0 = X
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#319. To: war (#316)
That little fire caused this?: 
#320. To: war (#316)
That little fire caused this?: 
#321. To: TwentyTwelve (#320)
That looks like pyroclastic flow. Maybe an unnamed volcano was prompted by the planes crashing to erupt from underneath. Yes... that must be it.
That little fire caused this?:
#322. To: Original_Intent, litus (#315)
ROFLMAO...this is what you CANNOT be taken seriously. You type this crap actually believing that what you say is true when the record is quite clear that it is anything but... The World Trade Center's Steel Structure Was Buckling Before the Collapse Police, Firemen and Civilians Saw Warning Signs of Collapse of the Twin Towers on September 11th 2001 Page 2 Quick Guide to Motives for 9/11 Before the collapse of either tower, evidence the structures of the WTC were failing was reported by Police, Firemen and civilians. As already mentioned, flying around outside the WTC, the NYPD helicopters reported "an inward bowing of the buildings' columns in the minutes before they collapsed." Inside WTC 1, New York City Fire Department's Assistant Chief Joseph Callan realized the building was in trouble even before the first building, building two, collapsed. Interviewed Nov. 2, 2001, Assistant Chief Callan told New York City Fire Marshal Michael Starace, "Approximately 40 minutes after I arrived in the lobby, I made a decision that the building was no longer safe. And that was based on the conditions in the lobby, large pieces of plaster falling, all the 20 foot high glass panels on the exterior of the lobby were breaking. There was obvious movement of the building, and that was the reason on the handy talky I gave the order for all Fire Department units to leave the north tower. Approximately ten minutes after that, we had a collapse of the south tower, and we were sort of blown up against the wall in the lobby of the north tower, and we gathered together those of us who were still able to." Callan's warnings about the north tower, WTC 1, reached the Office of Emergency Management, OEM. Other people learned from OEM that the WTC buildings were going to collapse. EMT Richard Zarrillo was told to deliver the message. In an Oct 25, 2001 interview Zarrillo explianed, "I said the buildings are going to collapse; we need to evac everybody out. With a very confused look he said who told you that? I said I was just with John at OEM. OEM says the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get out. ... I said, listen, I was just at OEM. The message I was given was that the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get our people out. At that moment, this thunderous, rolling roar came down and that's when the building came down, the first tower came down." 9110161.PDF http://nistreview.org/histories.php At 9:37, a civilian on the 106th floor of the South Tower reported to a 911 operator that a lower floor-the "90-something floor"-was collapsing. - "The 9/11 Commission Report" p304 WTC Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks 9/11 "Controlled Demolition" Theory Indications of the Imminent Collapse of the World Trade Center Buildings Disprove Explosives Theory Page 1 Quick Guide to Motives for 9/11 Scientists investigating the Sept. 11, 2001 collapse of the twin towers said, "the World Trade Center towers showed telltale signs they were about to collapse several minutes before each crumbled to the ground." There would not be telltale signs if it was explosives (Controlled Demolition) that caused the buildings to collapse. "In the case of the north tower, police chopper pilots reported seeing the warning signs - an inward bowing of the building facade - at least eight minutes before it collapsed at 10:29 a.m." New York Daily News reporter Paul Shin wrote in his June 19th, 2004 article 9/11 cops saw collapse coming. "Federal engineering investigators studying the destruction of the World Trade Center's twin towers on Sept. 11 said New York Police Department aviation units reported an inward bowing of the buildings' columns in the minutes before they collapsed, a signal they were about to fall." - NYC Police Saw Sign of Tower Collapse, Study Says WTC photos show buckling steel columns in the minutes before the collapse of the buildings. East Face of WTC 2 9:21 AM Maximum inward bowing of approx. 10 in. (18 min after impact) alt. link's: 1, 2, 3, 4 NIST 6McAllister.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- East Face of WTC 2 9:53 AM Maximum inward bowing of approx. 20 in. alt. link's: 1, 2, 3, 4 NIST 6McAllister.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- East Face of WTC 2 9:58 AM Inward bowing of perimeter columns seconds before collapse. alt. link's: 1, 2, 3, 4 NIST 6McAllister.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- South Face of WTC 1 10:23 AM Max bowing of 55 in. alt. link's: 1, 2, 3, 4 NIST 6McAllister.pdf Several minutes before the WTC buildings collapsed, the structures of the buildings were clearly failing and the exterior steel columns could be seen buckling. This simply would not be happening if explosives caused the collapse because explosives don't go off in slow motion for several minutes. Explosives don't slowly buckle steel columns over several minutes. Obviously, the way an actual controlled explosion happens is the explosives all go off in a matter of seconds. There simply would not be warning signs that the buildings were about to be demolished by explosives, it would of course just suddenly happen. But that is not what happened, the buildings did not suddenly collapse without any indications that they would. Instead, the fires were compromising the structural integrity of the buildings and the buildings' support structures failed. Exterior columns buckled because the fires weakened the floor trusses and the floors sagged. The sagging floors pulled on intact column connections so as the floors sagged down, they pulled the exterior columns inward. This inward bowing of the exterior columns was evident to observers such as the police helicopters circling the towers. "The NYPD aviation unit reported critical information about the impending collapse of the buildings." They could see that the exterior steel beams of the buildings were bowing. You can see the inward bowing of the steel columns in pictures of both WTC 2, (the first building to collapse) and WTC 1 (the second building to collapse.) Buckling Steel Dr. Shyam Sunder, lead investigator for NIST's building and fire safety investigation into the WTC disaster, said, "While the buildings were able to withstand the initial impact of the aircraft, the resulting fires that spread through the towers weakened support columns and floors that had fireproofing dislodged by the impacts. This eventually led to collapse as the perimeter columns were pulled inward by the sagging floors and buckled." "The reason the towers collapsed is because the fireproofing was dislodged," according to Sunder. If the fireproofing had remained in place, Sunder said, the fires would have burned out and moved on without weakening key elements to the point of structural collapse." - Latest Findings From NIST World Trade Center Investigation Released "According to Shyam Sunder, the concave bowing of the steel was seen on the sides of the towers opposite where the planes hit them. At 10:06 a.m. that morning, an officer in a police helicopter reported that ``it's not going to take long before the north tower comes down.'' This was 20 minutes before it collapsed. In another radio transmission at 10:21 a.m., the officer said he saw buckling in the north tower's southern face, Shyam Sunder said." "Engineers believe the bowing of the exterior steel beams near the flame- engulfed floors was the critical "triggering point" because that's the direction each tower tilted as it came crashing down." "The report includes photographs taken from police helicopters showing the bending columns." Key findings include: Floor sagging and exposure to high temperatures caused the perimeter columns to bow inward and buckle—a process that spread across the faces of the buildings. Even though the jet fuel on the planes burned off in the first few minutes after impact, there was enough office furniture to sustain intense fires for at least an hour. The original builders of the twin towers and those who later renovated the structures did not have a clear technical standard for deciding on how much insulation to use around the structural beams, many of which gave way in the intense heat. Read more here: Police, Firemen and Civilians Saw Warning Signs of Collapse of the Twin Towers on September 11th 2001 We have an unacceptable risk to our nation because of specific foreign policies. People who promote these erroneous 9/11 theories undermine efforts to get the focus on stopping these foreign policies. We must take a serious look at the motives for the 9/11 attacks and call for a full review of the specific foreign policies that motivate terrorists to attack us. I see a lot of people are spreading this "controlled demolition" theory, I also notice they don't talk about ending the foreign policies. Please donate to help Representative Press get the facts out to the people. False theories like "9/11 was a controlled demolition" or "9/11 was an inside job" or "The WTC collapsed because of explosives" really screw up efforts to stop the specific foreign policies that put our nation at risk. These false theories undermine serious efforts to get foreign policies addressed, for example, U.S. support for Israel. I suspect more than a few people pushing these false theories are very happy to misdirect the American public away from questioning specific foreign policies like U.S. support for Israel. (It is the main policy of the foreign policies that motivated the 9/11 terrorists. The plotter of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, actually went to school here in the U.S. He was angry at the U.S. not because of his experiences here as a student, but rather because of the U.S. foreign policy favoring Israel.) I am working hard to set the record straight and end the risk of terrorism. Please Donate to help me get the truth out. Those conspiracy websites are clearly well funded and like I have said, they misdirect the American public away from questioning specific foreign polices like U.S. support for Israel. I need some money to work with to undo the damage these websites are doing and get the facts to the people. 9/11 was not a game, these conspiracy theories undermine efforts to get the government to change the unjust Middle East policies: Please donate to help Representative Press get the facts out to the people.
THERE WAS NO SOUND INDICATING IMMINENT COLLAPSE even up to the last transmission at 9:58
#323. To: war (#316)
Half a football field away where FDNY could NOT get to.
#324. To: TwentyTwelve (#317)
I was on the Staten Island Ferry when South Tower collapsed...yes I heard it collapse...it was rolling thunder followed by dust and panic...
Did you hear the sounds War?
#325. To: war (#324)
#326. To: TwentyTwelve (#320)
Nope. A plane impacting and exploding and the out of control fires caused that. I've answered that question several times now. Ask again and you're on bozo, Mr. Jones.
That little fire caused this?:
#327. To: Original_Intent (#318)
The collapse took 13 seconds.
The collapse on the video I used took 6.6 seconds.
#328. To: war (#324)
I was on the Staten Island Ferry when South Tower collapsed...yes I heard it collapse...it was rolling thunder followed by dust and panic... Did you get a live recording of it?
Did you hear the sounds War?
#329. To: litus (#311)
This scarf was said to be worn by hijackers. Amazing condition for being in a plane crash.
NOTE: Body of hijacker missing
#330. To: litus (#311)
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