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Title: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
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Published: Apr 5, 2009
Author: whatreallyhappened.com
Post Date: 2009-04-05 01:25:36 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: 9/11, 911, Thermite, WTC Collapses
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Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic. Webmaster's Commentary: Folks, this is a major story and will be totally ignored by ABCNNBBCBS. This is a peer-reviewed report in a science journal which confirms the presence of a manufactured material consisting of tiny flakes of aluminum metal coated with iron oxide discovered at four different locations in the wreckage of the World Trade Center. Aluminum and iron oxide, mixed equally by weight, is the classic recipe for thermite. This material is very fine, increasing its burn speed, and apparently has some additional components (besides the very fine granular size) which lower the ignition temperature. This report directly contradicts the official government claim that there was no trace of internal explosives in the ruins of the World Trade Center. See Thermite and the WTC Collapses Posted on Apr 04, 2009 at 07:49 Tags: * 911
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#4. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)
Putting aside the absolutely incredulous nature of that statement, where was this Manhattan resident? two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. From where?
Why is it incredulous? Aren't you interested in knowing all the reasons why these magnificient buildings whose plans were passed with flying colors by the PTB had such an Achilles Heel? And who knows.... maybe that Manhattan resident was already making plans for his next big sale.
The Achilles heel being planes impacting at over 400MPH, exploding and then multi floor fires burning out of control? Chyea...whoda thought? Obviously not the people who sent the planes into the buildings...
Yeah, and just moments before the collapse, a veteran battalion chief who would know what to look for if danger was present, calls down:
One floor which was below impact is indicative of the rest including the impact zone? How many more pictures of flames shooting out of WTC must I post before you folks get it?
According to the Journal of Australian Fire Investigators, kerosene ignites at around 444°F. The temperature that the fire will eventually reach depends on both the combustion rate (based on O2) and the rate at which heat can be disbursed in the given scenario. Again, any firefighter can explain from experience and training that the black, sooty smoke (like that found on 9/11 at the WTC towers) were O2 deprived. Again, please contact professionals to verify this if you wish. In an oxygen deprived environment, higher temperatures cannot be reached. You can test this yourself by comparing a match in the open vs. a match in a bottle with a very small hole. T.C. Forensic: Article 10 - PHYSICAL CONSTANTS FOR INVESTIGATORS
according to you these fires are oxygen deprived:
They are. There is not enough oxygen in proximity to the flame to support efficient combustion. If you knew anything... if you SHIT about anything, you'd know that. Why the fuck do you think lots of oxygen under pressure is required to get an acetylene torch to get hot enough to cut and weld?
Oxyegen dDeproved? All of those fires will be out in a couple of minutes, right? Oxygen deprived that they are...
These are pics of black rubber tires burning. Duh.
So...not only does smoke turn black when it's oxygen deprived it also reflects the color of what is being burned... Someone forgot to tell this red car that [or maybe it was black but then painted red in a massive scheme to defraud the Laws of Smoke by The Those Same Dark Forces Which Were Behind 9/11?]:
Hey dipshit, I bet dollars to donuts that the roof of that car didn't collapse.
Hey Moonbat...I'll bet you dollars to donuts that fire ISN'T oxygen starved...
There was oil and tires in the WTC buildings?
There were petroleum based products most certainly. Yea...you walked right into it...your other two Moonies, I'll give them credit for being smart enough to NOT ask that question...then there's you...
Yea...you walked right into it...your other two Moonies, I'll give them credit for being smart enough to NOT ask that question...then there's you... The burning parts of the car is made up almost entirely of petroleum based products.... BUT You don't seem to realize that as soon as you have to resort to name calling YOU HAVE LOST. When will YOU ask for a full investigation? Especially since you claim to work in an area full of buildings ready to collapse from small office fires. LOLOLOLOL
Is calling you a goddammed liar name calling or truth?
What did I lie about? You not calling for a thorough investigation?
"Especially since you claim to work in an area full of buildings ready to collapse from small office fires." I've never made the claim that these buildings are ready to collapse form small offioce fires. And, if you are claimiong that the fires in WTC were only small office fires then you are lying again.
Then how did that WTC7 building collapse? Was it made out of wood? All you have to do is show us one example where a similiar building under similiar circunstances came a tumbling down in similiar fashion. One itty bitty example. Come on.... you are good for it.
An out of control fire across most of its floors compromised a major support beam which, in turn, caused cascading failure which resulted in the building's collapse... Thanks for asking...
Bullshit. You posted a picture of Building FIVE which WAS experiencing a major fire, trying to pass it off as Building SEVEN. Building SEVEN had a very minor fire yet collapsed, whereas Building FIVE had a seriously out of control fire yet DIDN'T collapse.
war has lost all credibility.
war has lost all credibility. Why would he have done that?
war has lost all credibility. Why would he have done that? He got caught trying to fool us. He underestimated us.
Sooner or later, that's what happens to all .gov shills.
Not just Government shills. Be on the lookout for Media and Federal Reserve shills as well.
That's true. I've already had to deal with at least one Federal Reserve shill; but it may likely have been at least three. They also resorted to lying and outright intentional misrepresentations of others' statements and comments.
I'd love to have access to the server logs for this site. hehehe
Christine...feel free to display one of miue...also, anyone who listens to NPR, I will be on ATC this afternoon discussing credit market condidtions,
what time and what does ATC stand for?
"Attack The Capitalists".
Hilarious...their coverage of this last fall bears that out...I'll give them credit though...they've yet to incorrectly slant any story in which I've contributed and I get a tranbscript every time...
So you are a financial guru who thinks he knows something about physics? THINK is the key word, you have demonstrated on this site you don't know the first thing about physics. Did you short AA and UAL stock before 9/11? I bet you did, why else would you be so defensive of the obvious government lies concerning 9/11?
I'm not a guru. I observe and report. Making financial decisions is not a hard proposition...in times of uncertainly stay in cash. If you take risk, make suire that it is in something that is a) people need and b) is in short supply. Just remember that for every dollar that you bet there is a dollar being taken out that beleives you to be wrong. As for physics...I paid attention in class...
Physics isn't the class where you played dodge ball you moron.
Physics isn't the class where you played dodge ball you moron. war put you on bozo.
ROFLMAO...he STILL doesn't get it?
Building 5 is the last visible image in that post (the last picture doesn't show, it's just a X). The image file is named http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/docs/wtc5_fire_floors.jpg, which is pretty clear that it's an image of wtc5, not wtc7. You also posted an image of one of the towers for effect I guess, but it's apparent that you were trying to get away with posting an image of Building 5 and having people believe it was actually Building 7. So you are shown to be a LIAR and a SHILL, and simply retort with those words against one who first identified you as such. I used to have to post things that BAC used to try to get away with back on LP, where a day or so after he posted something he'd deny it or misrepresent what he was posting in reference to, just like you. FormerLurker Here's the comment to you.
Look I appreciate what you are tyring to do. My response was in the context of his claim that there fires on 9/11 at WTC were minimal...it's why I included pics of all the buildings at which point my response should have been clear to him. I never represented those pics as being of one buildings I explained that him when he first accused me of that. I can't help his ongoing denial. He was bozo'd simply because the exchange had gotten stale...he asked and continued to ask the same questions...he would make statements of "fact" that were anything but, be corrected with links and sources and then would later make the same statements. As for you contention that I am some sort of coward for bozoing someone...I don't do it lightly...otehr than that I could give a fuck what you think of me...you don't know me...
You are a LIAR war. It is clear from post 67 and post 175 that the conversation was SPECIFICALLY about Building 7, not ALL of the WTC buildings. And BTW, in regards to WTC1 and WTC2 (since you want to expand the conversation to ALL of the collapsed buildings), the fires in the towers were just about out, right before those buildings collapsed. As far as Building 5, which you posted an image of and which was NOT being discussed, it was engulfed in flames, yet DID NOT COLLAPSE.
You are a LIAR war. It is clear from post 67 and post 175 that the conversation was SPECIFICALLY about Building 7, not ALL of the WTC buildings. And BTW, in regards to WTC1 and WTC2 (since you want to expand the conversation to ALL of the collapsed buildings), the fires in the towers were just about out, right before those buildings collapsed. As far as Building 5, which you posted an image of and which was NOT being discussed, it was engulfed in flames, yet DID NOT COLLAPSE. As well some of the heroes of FDNY reached the 85th floor, afoot, before the collapse and began radioing back about the SURVIVORS on the impacted floors and the need for two hose crews to knock down the flames. That is NOT a raging inferno it is a moderate building fire which would have been easily controlled. We know that the aircraft did not substantially damage the massively reinforced steel girder core (which was interlocked and so would have acted as a "heat sink" resulting in holding the temperature of the steel down below any of the critical points), that the fuel was burned up within ten minutes, and that the overbuilt cores of the building were more than adequate to sustain the level of proven damage and remain standing. The problem Whore runs into is that none of the Official Fairy Tale is supported by the available evidence. It is just that - a fairy tale concocted to sell to the technically ill-informed general public the idea that the fairy tale explains the collapse and thus divert attention away from evidence supporting explosive demolition. Just on an evidenciary basis controlled demolition alone accounts for all of the observed phenomena. The Official Fairy Tale is contradicted by dozens to hundreds of observed datums. That is why quisling slime such as Whore are paid to run around and lie on different web sites to try to lend support to the false explanation. Oh, and one of the reasons that aid is being withheld from the heroes of the FDNY is that there are too many living witnesses who have gone on record saying there were explosions. The criminals who orchestrated this false flag terror crime WANT them to die as quickly as possible to get rid of inconvenient witnesses.
Oh, excellent point there, OI. I don't know if I knew about this. Obviously, if it was a "raging inferno" there was no way that any firemen would have attempted to put that out, or called in for more crews. Oh, and one of the reasons that aid is being withheld from the heroes of the FDNY...The criminals who orchestrated this false flag terror crime WANT them to die as quickly as possible to get rid of inconvenient witnesses. Aid is being withheld from them? There can be NO OTHER reason than for the very reason you opined!
Here is a link to a downloadable audio mp3 of the radio calls of the crews who made it up there. Audio Excerpts of Firefighter Radio Transmissions in South Tower Oh and I mis-remembered it was the 78th floor not the 85th. Here is an transcript of one of the key transmissions: 9:52 a.m. Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven to Battalion Seven Alpha." "Freddie, come on over. Freddie, come on over by us." Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones." Ladder 15: "What stair are you in, Orio?" Battalion Seven Aide: "Seven Alpha to lobby command post." Ladder Fifteen: "Fifteen to Battalion Seven." Battalion Seven Chief: "... Ladder 15." Ladder 15: "Chief, what stair you in?" Battalion Seven Chief: "South stairway Adam, South Tower." Ladder 15: "Floor 78?" Battalion Seven Chief: "Ten-four, numerous civilians, we gonna need two engines up here." Ladder 15: "Alright ten-four, we're on our way." 9:58 a.m. (Tower collapses at 9:59) Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven to Ladder 15." (End of Tape) End of heroes murdered by Bush, Cheney, and their masters. DAMN THE BASTARDS!
Didn't you say they made it to 85?
Didn't you say they made it to 85? I mis-spoke which I corrected in my next post (#269). You're reaching shill. Your disinformation tactics are now so obvious that even a freeptard might catch on. Of course what you are trying to do is distract from the key points of the transcript: Firefighters made it to the 78th floor. There were survivors amidst the alleged raging inferno which an experienced Battalion Chief described as "...two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines". Hardly a raging inferno hot enough to melt steel. And there were survivors to be evacuated from amidst that inferno hot enough to melt steel. You are really stupid shill if you think I will bite on your attempt to draw me into a diversion which takes away from the point you want people to miss. There were survivors. There were two small pockets of fire requiring only two hose teams. That is not a raging inferno hot enough to melt steel. Once again you are exposed as a liar and a shill. Who do you work for shill? How much do they pay you? Minimum wage? You're certainly not worth more than that.
And that is something we can NEVER expect to hear reported on television news. And for the brain dead, if it's not on TV news, then it mustn't be true because they truly think reporters and news editors are free to report on whatever they wish.
And that is something we can NEVER expect to hear reported on television news. And for the brain dead, if it's not on TV news, then it mustn't be true because they truly think reporters and news editors are free to report on whatever they wish. Fire Department Tape Reveals No Awareness of Imminent Doom ''We're gonna knock down some fire here in the B Stair,'' Lieutenant Leavey is heard telling one of his firefighters. ''We'll meet up with you. You get over to the A Stair and help out Chief Palmer.'' The time was 9:56 a.m. The firefighters had just arrived at a place where, 54 minutes earlier, many people had been waiting for elevators when the second plane came crashing through the building. Now Chief Palmer and Ladder 15 were surrounded by the wounded whom they hoped to evacuate.
Ladder 15 had finally found the fire after an arduous climb to the 78th floor, according to the tape. They were in the B stairwell. On the other side of the fire were hundreds of people, blocked from fleeing by smoke and flame on the stairs. Chief Palmer was facing similar fires in the A stairwell, across the floor. ''We're gonna knock down some fire here in the B Stair,'' Lieutenant Leavey is heard telling one of his firefighters. ''We'll meet up with you. You get over to the A Stair and help out Chief Palmer.'' The time was 9:56 a.m. The firefighters had just arrived at a place where, 54 minutes earlier, many people had been waiting for elevators when the second plane came crashing through the building. Now Chief Palmer and Ladder 15 were surrounded by the wounded whom they hoped to evacuate. Another thought which hit me from your post. It is another one of those "but the dog did not bark in the night" datums. There is no sound of the structure beginning to fail. There is no apparent awareness by experienced firefighters that the building is in danger of collapsing. No snapping girders, no creaking structure, nothing. The building just suddenly, without warning, decides to collapse straight down into roughly its own footprint including the massively reinforced H-beam core which Whore tried inititially to deny existed as the structure's primary load bearing support. That is an important datum, because in a normal failure there are going to be precursors to failure. There will be sound, falling walls, snapping girders, etc., ..., but THERE WAS NO SOUND INDICATING IMMINENT COLLAPSE even up to the last transmission at 9:58. The building just decided to collapse uniformly, symmetrically, and into its own footprint. We know the fire WAS MOST DEFINITELY NOT hot enough to melt steel or even soften it enough to fail. Certainly the entire floor was not on fire as witnessed by the firefighters being able to access it, walk around, and report the conditions on the scene back. The Battalion Chief reported that he needed only two teams to fight two small pockets of fire. That again is NOT a raging inferno. So, the question of course is what causes a building showing no signs of imminent collapse to suddenly collapse, uniformly, symmetrically, at near free fall velocity into its own footprint? What would cause that? Certainly not the nonexistent raging inferno. The only hypothesis that accounts for ALL the data is an intentional controlled explosive demolition. As with all 911 threads the valid data always leads back to that one hypothesis as the ONLY ONE which accounts for ALL of the data.
Excellent observation and point! There should have been sounds indicative of imminent structural failure.
Excellent observation and point! There should have been sounds indicative of imminent structural failure. Thanks. Yes, that is what struck me - one of those blindingly obvious things when you think about it but easy to miss because you are looking for something that did happen not something that did not happen.
ROFLMAO...this is what you CANNOT be taken seriously. You type this crap actually believing that what you say is true when the record is quite clear that it is anything but... The World Trade Center's Steel Structure Was Buckling Before the Collapse Police, Firemen and Civilians Saw Warning Signs of Collapse of the Twin Towers on September 11th 2001 Page 2 Quick Guide to Motives for 9/11 Before the collapse of either tower, evidence the structures of the WTC were failing was reported by Police, Firemen and civilians. As already mentioned, flying around outside the WTC, the NYPD helicopters reported "an inward bowing of the buildings' columns in the minutes before they collapsed." Inside WTC 1, New York City Fire Department's Assistant Chief Joseph Callan realized the building was in trouble even before the first building, building two, collapsed. Interviewed Nov. 2, 2001, Assistant Chief Callan told New York City Fire Marshal Michael Starace, "Approximately 40 minutes after I arrived in the lobby, I made a decision that the building was no longer safe. And that was based on the conditions in the lobby, large pieces of plaster falling, all the 20 foot high glass panels on the exterior of the lobby were breaking. There was obvious movement of the building, and that was the reason on the handy talky I gave the order for all Fire Department units to leave the north tower. Approximately ten minutes after that, we had a collapse of the south tower, and we were sort of blown up against the wall in the lobby of the north tower, and we gathered together those of us who were still able to." Callan's warnings about the north tower, WTC 1, reached the Office of Emergency Management, OEM. Other people learned from OEM that the WTC buildings were going to collapse. EMT Richard Zarrillo was told to deliver the message. In an Oct 25, 2001 interview Zarrillo explianed, "I said the buildings are going to collapse; we need to evac everybody out. With a very confused look he said who told you that? I said I was just with John at OEM. OEM says the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get out. ... I said, listen, I was just at OEM. The message I was given was that the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get our people out. At that moment, this thunderous, rolling roar came down and that's when the building came down, the first tower came down." 9110161.PDF http://nistreview.org/histories.php At 9:37, a civilian on the 106th floor of the South Tower reported to a 911 operator that a lower floor-the "90-something floor"-was collapsing. - "The 9/11 Commission Report" p304 WTC Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks 9/11 "Controlled Demolition" Theory Indications of the Imminent Collapse of the World Trade Center Buildings Disprove Explosives Theory Page 1 Quick Guide to Motives for 9/11 Scientists investigating the Sept. 11, 2001 collapse of the twin towers said, "the World Trade Center towers showed telltale signs they were about to collapse several minutes before each crumbled to the ground." There would not be telltale signs if it was explosives (Controlled Demolition) that caused the buildings to collapse. "In the case of the north tower, police chopper pilots reported seeing the warning signs - an inward bowing of the building facade - at least eight minutes before it collapsed at 10:29 a.m." New York Daily News reporter Paul Shin wrote in his June 19th, 2004 article 9/11 cops saw collapse coming. "Federal engineering investigators studying the destruction of the World Trade Center's twin towers on Sept. 11 said New York Police Department aviation units reported an inward bowing of the buildings' columns in the minutes before they collapsed, a signal they were about to fall." - NYC Police Saw Sign of Tower Collapse, Study Says WTC photos show buckling steel columns in the minutes before the collapse of the buildings. East Face of WTC 2 9:21 AM Maximum inward bowing of approx. 10 in. (18 min after impact) alt. link's: 1, 2, 3, 4 NIST 6McAllister.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- East Face of WTC 2 9:53 AM Maximum inward bowing of approx. 20 in. alt. link's: 1, 2, 3, 4 NIST 6McAllister.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- East Face of WTC 2 9:58 AM Inward bowing of perimeter columns seconds before collapse. alt. link's: 1, 2, 3, 4 NIST 6McAllister.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- South Face of WTC 1 10:23 AM Max bowing of 55 in. alt. link's: 1, 2, 3, 4 NIST 6McAllister.pdf Several minutes before the WTC buildings collapsed, the structures of the buildings were clearly failing and the exterior steel columns could be seen buckling. This simply would not be happening if explosives caused the collapse because explosives don't go off in slow motion for several minutes. Explosives don't slowly buckle steel columns over several minutes. Obviously, the way an actual controlled explosion happens is the explosives all go off in a matter of seconds. There simply would not be warning signs that the buildings were about to be demolished by explosives, it would of course just suddenly happen. But that is not what happened, the buildings did not suddenly collapse without any indications that they would. Instead, the fires were compromising the structural integrity of the buildings and the buildings' support structures failed. Exterior columns buckled because the fires weakened the floor trusses and the floors sagged. The sagging floors pulled on intact column connections so as the floors sagged down, they pulled the exterior columns inward. This inward bowing of the exterior columns was evident to observers such as the police helicopters circling the towers. "The NYPD aviation unit reported critical information about the impending collapse of the buildings." They could see that the exterior steel beams of the buildings were bowing. You can see the inward bowing of the steel columns in pictures of both WTC 2, (the first building to collapse) and WTC 1 (the second building to collapse.) Buckling Steel Dr. Shyam Sunder, lead investigator for NIST's building and fire safety investigation into the WTC disaster, said, "While the buildings were able to withstand the initial impact of the aircraft, the resulting fires that spread through the towers weakened support columns and floors that had fireproofing dislodged by the impacts. This eventually led to collapse as the perimeter columns were pulled inward by the sagging floors and buckled." "The reason the towers collapsed is because the fireproofing was dislodged," according to Sunder. If the fireproofing had remained in place, Sunder said, the fires would have burned out and moved on without weakening key elements to the point of structural collapse." - Latest Findings From NIST World Trade Center Investigation Released "According to Shyam Sunder, the concave bowing of the steel was seen on the sides of the towers opposite where the planes hit them. At 10:06 a.m. that morning, an officer in a police helicopter reported that ``it's not going to take long before the north tower comes down.'' This was 20 minutes before it collapsed. In another radio transmission at 10:21 a.m., the officer said he saw buckling in the north tower's southern face, Shyam Sunder said." "Engineers believe the bowing of the exterior steel beams near the flame- engulfed floors was the critical "triggering point" because that's the direction each tower tilted as it came crashing down." "The report includes photographs taken from police helicopters showing the bending columns." Key findings include: Floor sagging and exposure to high temperatures caused the perimeter columns to bow inward and buckle—a process that spread across the faces of the buildings. Even though the jet fuel on the planes burned off in the first few minutes after impact, there was enough office furniture to sustain intense fires for at least an hour. The original builders of the twin towers and those who later renovated the structures did not have a clear technical standard for deciding on how much insulation to use around the structural beams, many of which gave way in the intense heat. Read more here: Police, Firemen and Civilians Saw Warning Signs of Collapse of the Twin Towers on September 11th 2001 We have an unacceptable risk to our nation because of specific foreign policies. People who promote these erroneous 9/11 theories undermine efforts to get the focus on stopping these foreign policies. We must take a serious look at the motives for the 9/11 attacks and call for a full review of the specific foreign policies that motivate terrorists to attack us. I see a lot of people are spreading this "controlled demolition" theory, I also notice they don't talk about ending the foreign policies. Please donate to help Representative Press get the facts out to the people. False theories like "9/11 was a controlled demolition" or "9/11 was an inside job" or "The WTC collapsed because of explosives" really screw up efforts to stop the specific foreign policies that put our nation at risk. These false theories undermine serious efforts to get foreign policies addressed, for example, U.S. support for Israel. I suspect more than a few people pushing these false theories are very happy to misdirect the American public away from questioning specific foreign policies like U.S. support for Israel. (It is the main policy of the foreign policies that motivated the 9/11 terrorists. The plotter of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, actually went to school here in the U.S. He was angry at the U.S. not because of his experiences here as a student, but rather because of the U.S. foreign policy favoring Israel.) I am working hard to set the record straight and end the risk of terrorism. Please Donate to help me get the truth out. Those conspiracy websites are clearly well funded and like I have said, they misdirect the American public away from questioning specific foreign polices like U.S. support for Israel. I need some money to work with to undo the damage these websites are doing and get the facts to the people. 9/11 was not a game, these conspiracy theories undermine efforts to get the government to change the unjust Middle East policies: Please donate to help Representative Press get the facts out to the people.
From the article you posted: In the case of the north tower, police chopper pilots reported seeing the warning signs - an inward bowing of the building facade - at least eight minutes before it collapsed at 10:29 a.m. But emergency responders inside the tower never got the order to evacuate due to faulty communications equipment and garbled lines of command, investigators with the National Institute of Standards and Technology [NIST] said in its second interim report on the collapse's causes. "The NYPD aviation unit reported critical information about the impending collapse of the buildings," lead investigator Shyam Sunder said at a presentation in midtown. This is information coming from NIST and scientists hired by .gov to fulfill their "role" in making claims for .gov. There are no names of the scientists, there are no names of who within the NYPD made these allegedly claims. OTOH, there is audio, recorded live, by specific individuals with FDNY who, at the time of the recordings, spoke without any agenda other than savings lives of FDNY brothers and innocent victims murdered by .gov.
What are the names of OI's firemen on [pick a floor]?
Since you can't seem to think on your own and do not even consider that a poster on this forum using their own brain can figure things out without searching the Internet and doing a mindless copy and paste, then here is a copy paste for you to ponder. hehe, how does it feel to eat crow jackass?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA...you just get better and better with each passing moment... You should have looked some of those words up, simp...you just blew both of your own feet off... /moron3rd
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#5. To: war (#4)
Putting aside the absolutely incredulous nature of that statement, where was this Manhattan resident?
#8. To: mininggold (#5)
Aren't you interested in knowing all the reasons why these magnificient buildings whose plans were passed with flying colors by the PTB had such an Achilles Heel?
#11. To: war (#8)
and then multi floor fires burning out of control?
#19. To: Critter (#11)
#24. To: war (#19)
before you folks get it?
PHYSICAL CONSTANTS FOR INVESTIGATORS. by Tony Cafe. Reproduced from "Firepiont" magazine - Journal of Australian Fire Investigators. ...
www.tcforensic.com.au/docs/article10.html - 69k -
#89. To: TwentyTwelve (#24)
#90. To: war (#89)
#92. To: Critter (#90)
#94. To: war (#92)
All of those fires will be out in a couple of minutes, right? Oxygen deprived that they are...
#116. To: TwentyTwelve (#94)
These are pics of black rubber tires burning.
#120. To: war (#116)
#122. To: Critter (#120)
#127. To: war (#122)
...I'll bet you dollars to donuts that fire ISN'T oxygen starved...
#129. To: mininggold (#127)
There was oil and tires in the WTC buildings?
#133. To: war (#129)
There were petroleum based products most certainly.
#139. To: mininggold (#133)
Especially since you claim to work in an area full of buildings ready to collapse from small office fires.
#144. To: war (#139)
Is calling you a goddammed liar name calling or truth?
#147. To: mininggold (#144)
What did I lie about?
#151. To: war (#147)
I've never made the claim that these buildings are ready to collapse form small offioce fires. And, if you are claimiong that the fires in WTC were only small office fires then you are lying again.
#154. To: mininggold (#151)
Then how did that WTC7 building collapse?
#173. To: war, mininggold (#154)
An out of control fire across most of its floors compromised a major support beam which, in turn, caused cascading failure which resulted in the building's collapse...
#174. To: FormerLurker, mininggold, Litus, Wudidiz, war (#173)
To war: Bullshit. You posted a picture of Building FIVE which WAS experiencing a major fire, trying to pass it off as Building SEVEN. Building SEVEN had a very minor fire yet collapsed, whereas Building FIVE had a seriously out of control fire yet DIDN'T collapse.
#179. To: TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, war (#174)
You posted a picture of Building FIVE which WAS experiencing a major fire, trying to pass it off as Building SEVEN. Building SEVEN had a very minor fire yet collapsed, whereas Building FIVE had a seriously out of control fire yet DIDN'T collapse.
#180. To: litus, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#179)
You posted a picture of Building FIVE which WAS experiencing a major fire, trying to pass it off as Building SEVEN. Building SEVEN had a very minor fire yet collapsed, whereas Building FIVE had a seriously out of control fire yet DIDN'T collapse.
#181. To: TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#180)
He got caught....He underestimated us.
#182. To: litus, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#181)
Sooner or later, that's what happens to all .gov shills.
#183. To: TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#182)
Be on the lookout for Media and Federal Reserve shills as well.
#184. To: litus, TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, wudidiz, christine (#183)
Be on the lookout for Media and Federal Reserve shills as well.
#190. To: Critter, christine (#184)
I'd love to have access to the server logs for this site. hehehe
#205. To: war (#190)
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also, anyone who listens to NPR, I will be on ATC this afternoon discussing credit market condidtions,
#208. To: christine (#205)
what time and what does ATC stand for?
#210. To: TooConservative (#208)
"Attack The Capitalists".
#211. To: war (#210)
#213. To: RickyJ (#211)
So you are a financial guru who thinks he knows something about physics?
#215. To: war (#213)
As for physics...I paid attention in class...
#216. To: FormerLurker, war (#215)
As for physics...I paid attention in class...
#223. To: TwentyTwelve (#216)
war put you on bozo.
#231. To: war (#223)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So you wrote to me in response to my comments on Building 7, "You're out of your fucking mind. Do I need to post yet even more pictures showing how stupid you are? " You then posted an image of Building 5, using it as "proof" of "how fucking stupid" I was.
#236. To: mininggold (#231)
#256. To: war, mininggold, TwentyTwelve (#236)
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My response was in the context of his claim that there fires on 9/11 at WTC were minimal...
#266. To: FormerLurker, War, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, Litus, christine, all (#256)
My response was in the context of his claim that there fires on 9/11 at WTC were minimal...
#268. To: Original_Intent, FormerLurker, War, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, christine, all (#266)
As well some of the heroes of FDNY reached the 85th floor, afoot, before the collapse and began radioing back about the SURVIVORS on the impacted floors and the need for two hose crews to knock down the flames. That is NOT a raging inferno it is a moderate building fire which would have been easily controlled.
#269. To: litus (#268)
#287. To: Original_Intent (#269)
Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."
#295. To: war, TwentyTwelve, Critter, christine, Wudidiz, litus, all (#287)
Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."
#300. To: Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, Critter, christine, Wudidiz, litus (#295)
There were survivors amidst the alleged raging inferno which an experienced Battalion Chief described as "...two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines".
#305. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, Critter, christine, Wudidiz (#300)
There were survivors amidst the alleged raging inferno which an experienced Battalion Chief described as "...two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines".
Ladder 15 had finally found the fire after an arduous climb to the 78th floor, according to the tape. They were in the B stairwell. On the other side of the fire were hundreds of people, blocked from fleeing by smoke and flame on the stairs. Chief Palmer was facing similar fires in the A stairwell, across the floor.
#308. To: litus, FormerLurker, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, Critter, christine, Wudidiz, Whore, war, all (#305)
Fire Department Tape Reveals No Awareness of Imminent Doom
#311. To: Original_Intent (#308)
in a normal failure there are going to be precursors to failure. There will be sound, falling walls, snapping girders, etc., ..., but THERE WAS NO SOUND INDICATING IMMINENT COLLAPSE even up to the last transmission at 9:58. The building just decided to collapse uniformly, symmetrically, and into its own footprint.
#315. To: litus (#311)
in a normal failure there are going to be precursors to failure. There will be sound, falling walls, snapping girders, etc., ..., but THERE WAS NO SOUND INDICATING IMMINENT COLLAPSE even up to the last transmission at 9:58. The building just decided to collapse uniformly, symmetrically, and into its own footprint.
#322. To: Original_Intent, litus (#315)
THERE WAS NO SOUND INDICATING IMMINENT COLLAPSE even up to the last transmission at 9:58
#363. To: war, Original_Intent (#322)
The World Trade Center towers showed telltale signs they were about to collapse several minutes before each crumbled to the ground, scientists probing the Sept. 11, 2001, disaster said yesterday.
#365. To: litus (#363)
#373. To: war (#365)
Solid fuels also undergo a great number of pyrolysis reactions that give more easily oxidized, gaseous fuels. These reactions are endothermic and require constant energy input from the combustion reactions. A lack of oxygen or other poorly designed conditions result in these noxious and carcinogenic pyrolysis products being emitted as thick, black smoke.
#375. To: RickyJ (#373)
Replies to Comment # 375.