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Title: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
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Published: Apr 5, 2009
Author: whatreallyhappened.com
Post Date: 2009-04-05 01:25:36 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: 9/11, 911, Thermite, WTC Collapses
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Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic. Webmaster's Commentary: Folks, this is a major story and will be totally ignored by ABCNNBBCBS. This is a peer-reviewed report in a science journal which confirms the presence of a manufactured material consisting of tiny flakes of aluminum metal coated with iron oxide discovered at four different locations in the wreckage of the World Trade Center. Aluminum and iron oxide, mixed equally by weight, is the classic recipe for thermite. This material is very fine, increasing its burn speed, and apparently has some additional components (besides the very fine granular size) which lower the ignition temperature. This report directly contradicts the official government claim that there was no trace of internal explosives in the ruins of the World Trade Center. See Thermite and the WTC Collapses Posted on Apr 04, 2009 at 07:49 Tags: * 911
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#4. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)
Putting aside the absolutely incredulous nature of that statement, where was this Manhattan resident? two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. From where?
Why is it incredulous? Aren't you interested in knowing all the reasons why these magnificient buildings whose plans were passed with flying colors by the PTB had such an Achilles Heel? And who knows.... maybe that Manhattan resident was already making plans for his next big sale.
The Achilles heel being planes impacting at over 400MPH, exploding and then multi floor fires burning out of control? Chyea...whoda thought? Obviously not the people who sent the planes into the buildings...
Yeah, and just moments before the collapse, a veteran battalion chief who would know what to look for if danger was present, calls down:
One floor which was below impact is indicative of the rest including the impact zone? How many more pictures of flames shooting out of WTC must I post before you folks get it?
According to the Journal of Australian Fire Investigators, kerosene ignites at around 444°F. The temperature that the fire will eventually reach depends on both the combustion rate (based on O2) and the rate at which heat can be disbursed in the given scenario. Again, any firefighter can explain from experience and training that the black, sooty smoke (like that found on 9/11 at the WTC towers) were O2 deprived. Again, please contact professionals to verify this if you wish. In an oxygen deprived environment, higher temperatures cannot be reached. You can test this yourself by comparing a match in the open vs. a match in a bottle with a very small hole. T.C. Forensic: Article 10 - PHYSICAL CONSTANTS FOR INVESTIGATORS
according to you these fires are oxygen deprived:
They are. There is not enough oxygen in proximity to the flame to support efficient combustion. If you knew anything... if you SHIT about anything, you'd know that. Why the fuck do you think lots of oxygen under pressure is required to get an acetylene torch to get hot enough to cut and weld?
Oxyegen dDeproved? All of those fires will be out in a couple of minutes, right? Oxygen deprived that they are...
These are pics of black rubber tires burning. Duh.
So...not only does smoke turn black when it's oxygen deprived it also reflects the color of what is being burned... Someone forgot to tell this red car that [or maybe it was black but then painted red in a massive scheme to defraud the Laws of Smoke by The Those Same Dark Forces Which Were Behind 9/11?]:
Hey dipshit, I bet dollars to donuts that the roof of that car didn't collapse.
Hey Moonbat...I'll bet you dollars to donuts that fire ISN'T oxygen starved...
There was oil and tires in the WTC buildings?
There were petroleum based products most certainly. Yea...you walked right into it...your other two Moonies, I'll give them credit for being smart enough to NOT ask that question...then there's you...
Yea...you walked right into it...your other two Moonies, I'll give them credit for being smart enough to NOT ask that question...then there's you... The burning parts of the car is made up almost entirely of petroleum based products.... BUT You don't seem to realize that as soon as you have to resort to name calling YOU HAVE LOST. When will YOU ask for a full investigation? Especially since you claim to work in an area full of buildings ready to collapse from small office fires. LOLOLOLOL
Is calling you a goddammed liar name calling or truth?
What did I lie about? You not calling for a thorough investigation?
"Especially since you claim to work in an area full of buildings ready to collapse from small office fires." I've never made the claim that these buildings are ready to collapse form small offioce fires. And, if you are claimiong that the fires in WTC were only small office fires then you are lying again.
Then how did that WTC7 building collapse? Was it made out of wood? All you have to do is show us one example where a similiar building under similiar circunstances came a tumbling down in similiar fashion. One itty bitty example. Come on.... you are good for it.
An out of control fire across most of its floors compromised a major support beam which, in turn, caused cascading failure which resulted in the building's collapse... Thanks for asking...
Bullshit. You posted a picture of Building FIVE which WAS experiencing a major fire, trying to pass it off as Building SEVEN. Building SEVEN had a very minor fire yet collapsed, whereas Building FIVE had a seriously out of control fire yet DIDN'T collapse.
war has lost all credibility.
war has lost all credibility. Why would he have done that?
war has lost all credibility. Why would he have done that? He got caught trying to fool us. He underestimated us.
Sooner or later, that's what happens to all .gov shills.
Not just Government shills. Be on the lookout for Media and Federal Reserve shills as well.
That's true. I've already had to deal with at least one Federal Reserve shill; but it may likely have been at least three. They also resorted to lying and outright intentional misrepresentations of others' statements and comments.
I'd love to have access to the server logs for this site. hehehe
Christine...feel free to display one of miue...also, anyone who listens to NPR, I will be on ATC this afternoon discussing credit market condidtions,
what time and what does ATC stand for?
"Attack The Capitalists".
Hilarious...their coverage of this last fall bears that out...I'll give them credit though...they've yet to incorrectly slant any story in which I've contributed and I get a tranbscript every time...
So you are a financial guru who thinks he knows something about physics? THINK is the key word, you have demonstrated on this site you don't know the first thing about physics. Did you short AA and UAL stock before 9/11? I bet you did, why else would you be so defensive of the obvious government lies concerning 9/11?
I'm not a guru. I observe and report. Making financial decisions is not a hard proposition...in times of uncertainly stay in cash. If you take risk, make suire that it is in something that is a) people need and b) is in short supply. Just remember that for every dollar that you bet there is a dollar being taken out that beleives you to be wrong. As for physics...I paid attention in class...
Physics isn't the class where you played dodge ball you moron.
Physics isn't the class where you played dodge ball you moron. war put you on bozo.
ROFLMAO...he STILL doesn't get it?
Building 5 is the last visible image in that post (the last picture doesn't show, it's just a X). The image file is named http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/docs/wtc5_fire_floors.jpg, which is pretty clear that it's an image of wtc5, not wtc7. You also posted an image of one of the towers for effect I guess, but it's apparent that you were trying to get away with posting an image of Building 5 and having people believe it was actually Building 7. So you are shown to be a LIAR and a SHILL, and simply retort with those words against one who first identified you as such. I used to have to post things that BAC used to try to get away with back on LP, where a day or so after he posted something he'd deny it or misrepresent what he was posting in reference to, just like you. FormerLurker Here's the comment to you.
Look I appreciate what you are tyring to do. My response was in the context of his claim that there fires on 9/11 at WTC were minimal...it's why I included pics of all the buildings at which point my response should have been clear to him. I never represented those pics as being of one buildings I explained that him when he first accused me of that. I can't help his ongoing denial. He was bozo'd simply because the exchange had gotten stale...he asked and continued to ask the same questions...he would make statements of "fact" that were anything but, be corrected with links and sources and then would later make the same statements. As for you contention that I am some sort of coward for bozoing someone...I don't do it lightly...otehr than that I could give a fuck what you think of me...you don't know me...
You are a LIAR war. It is clear from post 67 and post 175 that the conversation was SPECIFICALLY about Building 7, not ALL of the WTC buildings. And BTW, in regards to WTC1 and WTC2 (since you want to expand the conversation to ALL of the collapsed buildings), the fires in the towers were just about out, right before those buildings collapsed. As far as Building 5, which you posted an image of and which was NOT being discussed, it was engulfed in flames, yet DID NOT COLLAPSE.
You are a LIAR war. It is clear from post 67 and post 175 that the conversation was SPECIFICALLY about Building 7, not ALL of the WTC buildings. And BTW, in regards to WTC1 and WTC2 (since you want to expand the conversation to ALL of the collapsed buildings), the fires in the towers were just about out, right before those buildings collapsed. As far as Building 5, which you posted an image of and which was NOT being discussed, it was engulfed in flames, yet DID NOT COLLAPSE. As well some of the heroes of FDNY reached the 85th floor, afoot, before the collapse and began radioing back about the SURVIVORS on the impacted floors and the need for two hose crews to knock down the flames. That is NOT a raging inferno it is a moderate building fire which would have been easily controlled. We know that the aircraft did not substantially damage the massively reinforced steel girder core (which was interlocked and so would have acted as a "heat sink" resulting in holding the temperature of the steel down below any of the critical points), that the fuel was burned up within ten minutes, and that the overbuilt cores of the building were more than adequate to sustain the level of proven damage and remain standing. The problem Whore runs into is that none of the Official Fairy Tale is supported by the available evidence. It is just that - a fairy tale concocted to sell to the technically ill-informed general public the idea that the fairy tale explains the collapse and thus divert attention away from evidence supporting explosive demolition. Just on an evidenciary basis controlled demolition alone accounts for all of the observed phenomena. The Official Fairy Tale is contradicted by dozens to hundreds of observed datums. That is why quisling slime such as Whore are paid to run around and lie on different web sites to try to lend support to the false explanation. Oh, and one of the reasons that aid is being withheld from the heroes of the FDNY is that there are too many living witnesses who have gone on record saying there were explosions. The criminals who orchestrated this false flag terror crime WANT them to die as quickly as possible to get rid of inconvenient witnesses.
Oh, excellent point there, OI. I don't know if I knew about this. Obviously, if it was a "raging inferno" there was no way that any firemen would have attempted to put that out, or called in for more crews. Oh, and one of the reasons that aid is being withheld from the heroes of the FDNY...The criminals who orchestrated this false flag terror crime WANT them to die as quickly as possible to get rid of inconvenient witnesses. Aid is being withheld from them? There can be NO OTHER reason than for the very reason you opined!
Here is a link to a downloadable audio mp3 of the radio calls of the crews who made it up there. Audio Excerpts of Firefighter Radio Transmissions in South Tower Oh and I mis-remembered it was the 78th floor not the 85th. Here is an transcript of one of the key transmissions: 9:52 a.m. Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven to Battalion Seven Alpha." "Freddie, come on over. Freddie, come on over by us." Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones." Ladder 15: "What stair are you in, Orio?" Battalion Seven Aide: "Seven Alpha to lobby command post." Ladder Fifteen: "Fifteen to Battalion Seven." Battalion Seven Chief: "... Ladder 15." Ladder 15: "Chief, what stair you in?" Battalion Seven Chief: "South stairway Adam, South Tower." Ladder 15: "Floor 78?" Battalion Seven Chief: "Ten-four, numerous civilians, we gonna need two engines up here." Ladder 15: "Alright ten-four, we're on our way." 9:58 a.m. (Tower collapses at 9:59) Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven to Ladder 15." (End of Tape) End of heroes murdered by Bush, Cheney, and their masters. DAMN THE BASTARDS!
Didn't you say they made it to 85?
Didn't you say they made it to 85? I mis-spoke which I corrected in my next post (#269). You're reaching shill. Your disinformation tactics are now so obvious that even a freeptard might catch on. Of course what you are trying to do is distract from the key points of the transcript: Firefighters made it to the 78th floor. There were survivors amidst the alleged raging inferno which an experienced Battalion Chief described as "...two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines". Hardly a raging inferno hot enough to melt steel. And there were survivors to be evacuated from amidst that inferno hot enough to melt steel. You are really stupid shill if you think I will bite on your attempt to draw me into a diversion which takes away from the point you want people to miss. There were survivors. There were two small pockets of fire requiring only two hose teams. That is not a raging inferno hot enough to melt steel. Once again you are exposed as a liar and a shill. Who do you work for shill? How much do they pay you? Minimum wage? You're certainly not worth more than that.
1045 Code one means DEAD fool...
1045 Code one means DEAD fool... Nice attempt at misdirection. NOT. Where's the raging inferno hot enough to melt steel? If it was hot enough to melt steel there would be no bodies to be recovered. There WERE survivors to be recovered. Remember the photo of the woman looking out the hole made by one of the planes? Per the Battalion Chief's report from the scene there were two small pockets of fire requiring just 2 hose teams. You are attempting to direct attention away from the key data. In other words you are using disinformation tactics. Why do you find it necessary to direct attention away from the data with disinformation tactics? Play Again?
Half a football field away where FDNY could NOT get to.
no response?!
It's been asked and answered going weeks, shill... How else was it supposed to collapse?
Not symmetrically from asymmetrical damage! How stupid can you be?
The failure was symmetrical, dipshit...
The failure was symmetrical, dipshit... hmmm that's what Ricky said, the failure was symmetrical, but shouldn't have been since the damage was asymmetrical. Duh.
You're of the "mind" that only the north face of 2 and the south face of 1 was damaged?
Of course it was damaged. It's not magical damage that causes symmetrical collapse though, just damage due to a jet airplane crashing into it. Did it cover the whole side of one building, NO. Was the building over engineered to handle loads differently if there was damage to one side like on 9/11, Yep, sure was, it was designed just for that sort of exterior damage due to a plane crashing into it. Did the towers survive jet planes crashing into them at full speed and nearly full fuel? They sure did, they only collapsed when the remote control explosives were set off at precisely at the time the fire fighters reported there were only TWO pockets of fire and there were MULTIPLE survivors on a plane IMPACT floor. The "inferno" wasn't hot enough to kill these humans, but NIST and the government wants you to believe it was hot enough to bring the buildings down. They are full of shit and you know it stooge. Just like you are full of shit. No go back and tell your superiors we are too bright for you. You are tired of taking a whipping here and need a forum with less intelligent people on it to shill for them. BeAChooser was a stooge as well, but he beat the heck out of you intellectually on this forum.
Actually, in a lot of ways BAC steered myself and others towards the real data concerning 9/11, and was perhaps doing so not by accident, who knows... If it wasn't for him I wouldn't have dug through so much material in order to prove him wrong.
Well I did some equations to see how much air resistance would slow down just one floor of the WTC towers falling from the top of the building with nothing to collide with on the way down and I found out it was insignificant compared to falling in a vacuum. It was insignificant due to the significant mass of the floor. But just one collision would have slowed it down considerably. On 9/11 there were "allegedly" over 100 of those collisions, still it fell at close to free fall speed. That of course is impossible.
This doesn't debunk anything. The 9/11 commission report and the nist report give varying times for the collapses, all of which are too quick to have been a pancake collapse. If it fell in 20 seconds as your video claims, that would be 11 seconds faster than freefall. So 90 floors provided 11 seconds of resistance to the collapse? 11 / 90 = .12 .12 seconds of resistance per floor? You're ok with this? Like I said, go chase yourself back to LP, shill.
What % of WTC was air? That asked you said: If it fell in 20 seconds as your video claims, that would be 11 seconds faster than freefall. Do you know/understand the exponential factor of gravity? Do you also realize that WTC did not fall to ground but piled up on itself to almost 14 floors? Your "story" is bullshit. It doesn't stand up to minimal scrutiny and it changes at every twist, e.g. It fell at near free fall speed!!!! So what if it fell at more than double free fall speed...!!! That all said...the video makes no claims...it simply DOCUMENTS the collapse time...why is it that none of you Moonbats have done that? Because if you did then you'd have to cue the toilet flush...
yeah? and you're an ugly bag of what % water? are you a blob pooled to the ground or can you stand erect, puff out you chest, and hurl derision and bull- shittery? read the link and get back with rebuttal (something pertinent to the thread, but lacking the drama you crave, so maybe you won't touch it): As Documentation of Thermitic Materials in the WTC Twin Towers Grows, Official Story Backers Ignore, Deny, Evade, and Dissemble The NIST investigation, having posted its Final Report with its absurd Building 7 joint-breaking-thermal-expansion theory in late 2008 and FAQ by Christmas, closed its doors before the independent researchers published their findings of active aluminothermic materials in WTC dust in a mainstream scientific journal; but not before they publicized findings of aluminothermic residues in the same dust samples; and not before they extracted from NIST a series of public statements, in press conferences and in written responses to requests for correction (RFCs), about the conduct of their inquiry into the cause of the skyscrapers' total destruction. As a result, NIST spokespersons are on the record saying they did not test for pyrotechnics, and offering rationales for failing to perform such tests. Those rationale -- or rationalizations -- summarized toward the end of this essay, include the assertion that testing for pyrotechnics "would not necessarily have been conclusive". That is partially true: failing to find pyrotechnic residues wouldn't rule out demolition, since demolition might have been implemented using an untraceable fuel such as hydrogen gas. But finding abundant and distributed pyrotechnic explosive residues would conclusively favor demolition - - particularly given the persuasive deductive arguments showing that the features of the buildings' destruction are incompatable with a purely gravity- driven collapse. The following timeline is narrowly focused on the emergence of public evidence indicating the use of aluminothermic pyrotechnics, ranging from incendiaries to high-explosives, in the destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7, and on the way official bodies -- particular NIST -- treated that evidence.
It's an issue created out of thin air...the thermite Moonbat crowd once used MIST's analysis of the dust to "prove" thermite ignoring that the matter used for thermite is common in building materials...
what? you're claiming thermite is a building material?
PLease...I know that you're grossly underinformed but don't ***think*** for one minute that includes me... Jones tries to claim that his "independent" analysis of WTC dust found traces of "thermite" when, in fact, it's simply the chemicals that can be used in thermite. His analysis does not differ from NIST's...
Wrong again, Charlie. First of all, it's not Jones' analysis. Secondly, these materials are bonded together in a sophisticated manner. Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe pp.7-31 (25) Authors: Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley, Bradley R. Larsen doi: 10.2174/1874412500902010007 Abstract We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic. Keywords: JScanning electron microscopy, X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy, Differential scanning calorimetry, DSC analysis, World Trade Center, WTC dust, 9/11, Iron-rich microspheres, Thermite, Super-thermite, Energetic nanocomposites, Nano-thermite Affiliation: Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, Copenhagen, DK- 2100, Denmark. http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/co...001/7TOCPJ.SGM ____________________________________________________________________ Message from Dr. Steven E. Jones http://visibility911.com/blog/?cat=48 Formally published in a peer-reviewed Chemical Physics journal, today: “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe” by Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen The paper ends with this sentence: “Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.”
This is what you posted: “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe” by Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen Tell me I am wrong again, please. Secondly. the dust in Jones' analysis was collected from where? Thirdly, a dust composition analysis done by NIST revealed what?
Hey asshole, show me the 14 floor high pile of pancaked floors.
Hey Dickweed...first show me where I said that the floors were pancaked... Thanks///
OK, I don't feel like finding exactly where you stated that the collapse was more consistent with the pancake method, but anyway.... show me a 14 story high pile of debris in the footprint, asshole.
Thanks for proving yourself wrong. Not only is that debris not 14 stories, it is less than 2 stories.
Your seeing eye dog needs glasses...
Your seeing eye dog needs glasses... I'll let your image and comments speak for themselves to anyone reading this BS.
Look at the building to its left that it's piled over McGruff...
You're a twisted little twit of a shill, aintcha? Debris lying on other buildings doesn't count. Where is the stack of debris 14 stories high dipshit? How does it feel to be paid to act like a dumbass? Does one aspire to that position? Or get blackmailed into it? I can't conceive of the level of stupidity, or evil it takes to do what you do.
Now have your dog look back to the right and you can see that the pile of debris is higher than that building and, in fact, has spilld over onto it. You don;t tread water very well... PS: Thermite doesn't cut, it melts and the buildings did not fall at anything near free fall speed...
Did you believe that you were giving new information?
Let's just say that I put more weight on what the chemist has to say than your opinions on the matter. Note that his investigation began when he witnessed the 47 story building collapse seven hours later with no airplane impact and it did so in 6.5 seconds. There really is not valid explanation as to the collapse of building seven, no matter how you spin it. If the explanation given for seven is false, then the explanations regarding the twin towers deserve more scrutiny as well.
Let's just say that I put more weight on the opinion of the overwhelming majority of industry professionals than I do the occasional Moonbat.
Now you're sounding like BAC. What industry are you talking about, the news industry? Certainly not the professional aviation industry, and certainly not the majority of physicists, chemists, and engineers in various disciplines such as civil and materials engineering.
Yea...those...and until you buck uup some numbers, sport, you're once again spouting bullshit. These groups participated in analyzing the collapse...buck up sime numbers Moonie that the majority of their members dissented from the findings: The American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) Coalition that comprised a Building Performance Assessment Team (BPAT). The ASCE Coalition Team included professional members of the Society of Fire Protection Engineers (SFPE), the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), the American Institute of Steel Construction (AISC), and the Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEAoNY). What did the colleagues of one of your Head Moonbats, Steven Jones, do when they heard the nonsense that he was spiouting? In fact, I challenge you now to buckk up the name of ONE organziation of architects, engineers, fire professionals etc etc etc who as a group have taken issue with NIST.
I would say these folks have: http://www.ae911truth.org/ Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth!
They are a peer recognized group?
Your original question:I challenge you now to buckk up the name of ONE organziation of architects, engineers, fire professionals etc etc etc who as a group have taken issue with NIST. Unsatisfied with the answer, now you demand more:They are a peer recognized group? , such as their credentials, I suppose? You asked, it was answered. Moving the target doesn't make you look less like a shill. Demanding more than what you originally asked is yet another transparent attempt to ridicule those who don't worship at the alter of .gov.
Unsatisfied with the answer, now you demand more:They are a peer recognized group? , such as their credentials, I suppose? You asked, it was answered. Moving the target doesn't make you look less like a shill. Demanding more than what you originally asked is yet another transparent attempt to ridicule those who don't worship at the alter of .gov. Twenty Five Ways to Suppress The Truth: The Rules of Disinformation 9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect. 19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.
Let's cut to the chase, here Moonie...how many architects, engineers and the like are there? Now, how many are Moonbats like you? Got it?
Hey jackass, over 660 architects and engineers were pointed out to you in post 651. It's obvious that you ignore any and all facts and simply repeat the same retarded questions over and over and over....
#684. To: FormerLurker (#674)
I think they give them a list of responses they can use and statements they can make. And, no matter how retarded the responses are they will keep saying just what they are told.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestOne sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower...
#5. To: war (#4)
Putting aside the absolutely incredulous nature of that statement, where was this Manhattan resident?
#8. To: mininggold (#5)
Aren't you interested in knowing all the reasons why these magnificient buildings whose plans were passed with flying colors by the PTB had such an Achilles Heel?
#11. To: war (#8)
and then multi floor fires burning out of control?
#19. To: Critter (#11)
#24. To: war (#19)
before you folks get it?
PHYSICAL CONSTANTS FOR INVESTIGATORS. by Tony Cafe. Reproduced from "Firepiont" magazine - Journal of Australian Fire Investigators. ...
www.tcforensic.com.au/docs/article10.html - 69k -
#89. To: TwentyTwelve (#24)
#90. To: war (#89)
#92. To: Critter (#90)
#94. To: war (#92)
All of those fires will be out in a couple of minutes, right? Oxygen deprived that they are...
#116. To: TwentyTwelve (#94)
These are pics of black rubber tires burning.
#120. To: war (#116)
#122. To: Critter (#120)
#127. To: war (#122)
...I'll bet you dollars to donuts that fire ISN'T oxygen starved...
#129. To: mininggold (#127)
There was oil and tires in the WTC buildings?
#133. To: war (#129)
There were petroleum based products most certainly.
#139. To: mininggold (#133)
Especially since you claim to work in an area full of buildings ready to collapse from small office fires.
#144. To: war (#139)
Is calling you a goddammed liar name calling or truth?
#147. To: mininggold (#144)
What did I lie about?
#151. To: war (#147)
I've never made the claim that these buildings are ready to collapse form small offioce fires. And, if you are claimiong that the fires in WTC were only small office fires then you are lying again.
#154. To: mininggold (#151)
Then how did that WTC7 building collapse?
#173. To: war, mininggold (#154)
An out of control fire across most of its floors compromised a major support beam which, in turn, caused cascading failure which resulted in the building's collapse...
#174. To: FormerLurker, mininggold, Litus, Wudidiz, war (#173)
To war: Bullshit. You posted a picture of Building FIVE which WAS experiencing a major fire, trying to pass it off as Building SEVEN. Building SEVEN had a very minor fire yet collapsed, whereas Building FIVE had a seriously out of control fire yet DIDN'T collapse.
#179. To: TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, war (#174)
You posted a picture of Building FIVE which WAS experiencing a major fire, trying to pass it off as Building SEVEN. Building SEVEN had a very minor fire yet collapsed, whereas Building FIVE had a seriously out of control fire yet DIDN'T collapse.
#180. To: litus, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#179)
You posted a picture of Building FIVE which WAS experiencing a major fire, trying to pass it off as Building SEVEN. Building SEVEN had a very minor fire yet collapsed, whereas Building FIVE had a seriously out of control fire yet DIDN'T collapse.
#181. To: TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#180)
He got caught....He underestimated us.
#182. To: litus, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#181)
Sooner or later, that's what happens to all .gov shills.
#183. To: TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#182)
Be on the lookout for Media and Federal Reserve shills as well.
#184. To: litus, TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, wudidiz, christine (#183)
Be on the lookout for Media and Federal Reserve shills as well.
#190. To: Critter, christine (#184)
I'd love to have access to the server logs for this site. hehehe
#205. To: war (#190)
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also, anyone who listens to NPR, I will be on ATC this afternoon discussing credit market condidtions,
#208. To: christine (#205)
what time and what does ATC stand for?
#210. To: TooConservative (#208)
"Attack The Capitalists".
#211. To: war (#210)
#213. To: RickyJ (#211)
So you are a financial guru who thinks he knows something about physics?
#215. To: war (#213)
As for physics...I paid attention in class...
#216. To: FormerLurker, war (#215)
As for physics...I paid attention in class...
#223. To: TwentyTwelve (#216)
war put you on bozo.
#231. To: war (#223)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So you wrote to me in response to my comments on Building 7, "You're out of your fucking mind. Do I need to post yet even more pictures showing how stupid you are? " You then posted an image of Building 5, using it as "proof" of "how fucking stupid" I was.
#236. To: mininggold (#231)
#256. To: war, mininggold, TwentyTwelve (#236)
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My response was in the context of his claim that there fires on 9/11 at WTC were minimal...
#266. To: FormerLurker, War, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, Litus, christine, all (#256)
My response was in the context of his claim that there fires on 9/11 at WTC were minimal...
#268. To: Original_Intent, FormerLurker, War, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, christine, all (#266)
As well some of the heroes of FDNY reached the 85th floor, afoot, before the collapse and began radioing back about the SURVIVORS on the impacted floors and the need for two hose crews to knock down the flames. That is NOT a raging inferno it is a moderate building fire which would have been easily controlled.
#269. To: litus (#268)
#287. To: Original_Intent (#269)
Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."
#295. To: war, TwentyTwelve, Critter, christine, Wudidiz, litus, all (#287)
Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."
#304. To: Original_Intent (#295)
There were survivors.
#306. To: war (#304)
There were survivors.
#316. To: Original_Intent (#306)
Where's the raging inferno hot enough to melt steel?
#344. To: whore, war, litus, FormerLurker, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, christine, Wudidiz, (#316)
#369. To: Critter (#344)
How Does This Building Collapse Symmetrically?
#376. To: litus (#369)
no response?!
#380. To: war (#376)
How else was it supposed to collapse?
#381. To: RickyJ (#380)
Not symmetrically from asymmetrical damage!
#384. To: war, RickyJ (#381)
Not symmetrically from asymmetrical damage!
#388. To: litus (#384)
the failure was symmetrical, but shouldn't have been since the damage was asymmetrical.
#476. To: war (#388)
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You're of the "mind" that only the north face of 2 and the south face of 1 was damaged?
#477. To: RickyJ (#476)
BeAChooser was a stooge as well, but he beat the heck out of you intellectually on this forum.
#510. To: FormerLurker (#477)
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#516. To: RickyJ (#510)
still it fell at close to free fall speed
#538. To: war (#516)
#539. To: Critter (#538)
#540. To: war (#539)
What % of WTC was air?
Wake Up and Smell the Aluminothermic Nanocomposite Explosives
#541. To: postpunk (#540)
#544. To: war (#541)
#549. To: postpunk (#544)
what? you're claiming thermite is a building material?
#561. To: war (#549)
Jones tries to claim that his "independent" analysis of WTC dust found traces of "thermite" when, in fact, it's simply the chemicals that can be used in thermite. His analysis does not differ from NIST's...
#563. To: randge (#561)
First of all, it's not Jones' analysis.
#564. To: war (#563)
#565. To: Critter (#564)
Hey asshole, show me the 14 floor high pile of pancaked floors.
#575. To: war (#565)
#597. To: Critter (#575)
#603. To: war (#597)
#604. To: Critter (#603)
it is less than 2 stories.
#605. To: war (#604)
(Edited)
it is less than 2 stories.
#607. To: Critter (#605)
#608. To: war (#607)
Look at the building to its left that it's piled over McGruff...
#617. To: Critter (#608)
Debris lying on other buildings doesn't count.
#619. To: war (#617)
#621. To: abraxas (#619)
#624. To: war (#621)
#626. To: abraxas (#624)
Let's just say that I put more weight on what the chemist has to say than your opinions on the matter.
#635. To: war, abraxas (#626)
Let's just say that I put more weight on the opinion of the overwhelming majority of industry professionals
#644. To: FormerLurker (#635)
Certainly not the professional aviation industry, and certainly not the majority of physicists, chemists, and engineers in various disciplines such as civil and materials engineering.
#646. To: war, FormerLurker (#644)
In fact, I challenge you now to buckk up the name of ONE organziation of architects, engineers, fire professionals etc etc etc who as a group have taken issue with NIST.
#648. To: litus (#646)
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth!
#650. To: war (#648)
#667. To: litus, FormerLurker, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, Whore, war, all (#650)
Your original question:I challenge you now to buckk up the name of ONE organziation of architects, engineers, fire professionals etc etc etc who as a group have taken issue with NIST.
#671. To: Original_Intent (#667)
#674. To: war, Original_Intent (#671)
Let's cut to the chase, here Moonie...how many architects, engineers and the like are there?
Replies to Comment # 674. It's obvious that you ignore any and all facts and simply repeat the same retarded questions over and over and over....
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