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Title: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
Source: whatreallyhappened.com
URL Source: http://whatreallyhappened.com/conte ... world-trade-center-catastrophe
Published: Apr 5, 2009
Author: whatreallyhappened.com
Post Date: 2009-04-05 01:25:36 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: 9/11, 911, Thermite, WTC Collapses
Views: 11151
Comments: 690

Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe

We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.

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Folks, this is a major story and will be totally ignored by ABCNNBBCBS.

This is a peer-reviewed report in a science journal which confirms the presence of a manufactured material consisting of tiny flakes of aluminum metal coated with iron oxide discovered at four different locations in the wreckage of the World Trade Center.

Aluminum and iron oxide, mixed equally by weight, is the classic recipe for thermite. This material is very fine, increasing its burn speed, and apparently has some additional components (besides the very fine granular size) which lower the ignition temperature.

This report directly contradicts the official government claim that there was no trace of internal explosives in the ruins of the World Trade Center.

See Thermite and the WTC Collapses

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#30. To: TwentyTwelve (#28)

FUck you...prove that there is...in fact. I;ve asked you to prove all of your nonsense. To date you've responded 0 times.

war  posted on  2009-04-05   13:22:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: war (#19)

before you folks get it?

911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/blueprints.html

Tower Blueprints - Surviving Evidence of the World Trade Center Attack

The blueprints to the Twin Towers and Building 7 remained off-limits to the public for more than five years after the attack, despite the fact that the buildings were built with public money and that the engineering drawings of public buildings are supposed to be public information. 1 Incredibly, the team of engineers from the ASCE that conducted the only investigation of the building "collapses" before Ground Zero had been cleaned up lacked access to the buildings' blueprints -- at least until they signed waivers that they would not use the evidence in a lawsuit against the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. 2

Whistleblower Releases Blueprints

In March of 2007, an extensive set of detailed architectural drawings of the World Trade Center became public through the actions of a whistleblower. The 261 drawings included detailed plans for the North Tower (WTC 1), the World Trade Center foundation and basement, and the TV mast atop the North Tower. The set of drawings does not include plans for the other six buildings in the World Trade Center complex. However, since the Twin Towers were of almost identical construction, it is safe to assume that the the structural details that the drawings shown for the North Tower are largely applicable to the South Tower.

The drawings contain a wealth of detail about the buildings, including the dimensions of structural members such as the core columns.

Most of the drawings can be viewed in this multiresolution browser. This 66th floor core plan included in the detailed architectural drawings shows that most of the core columns retained their full outside dimensions well above the midpoints of the Towers. Of the sixteen columns bounding the long faces of the core, thirteen have outside dimensions of approximately 54 by 22 inches in this 66th floor section. Official Reports Misrepresented the Towers' Construction Portion of photograph in the collection of the Skyscraper Museum

The detailed architectural drawings make clear what official reports have apparently attempted to hide: that the Twin Towers had massive core columns, and those columns ran most of the height of each Tower before transitioning to columns with smaller cross-sections.

Based on construction photographs exhibited in the Skyscraper Museum and illustrations from the Engineering News Record , 9-11 Research had established by mid-2005 that, low in the Towers, the sixteen core columns that bounded the long faces of the buildings' cores had dimensions of 54 by 22 inches. The detailed drawings show that these columns maintained these dimensions through about the 66th floor.

Both of the government-sponsored engineering studies of the Twin Towers' "collapses" -- FEMA's and NIST's -- are highly misleading about the core structures. Neither Report discloses dimensions for core columns -- dimensions that are clearly evident in the architectural drawings. Both Reports use a variety of techniques seemingly designed to minimize the strength of the cores or to conceal their structural role entirely.

So effective was FEMA at concealing the nature of the cores that the 9/11 Commission Report , citing the FEMA Report, denied the very existence of the core columns.

FEMA's Building Performance Study

Figure 2-2 of of FEMA's Building Performance Study, labeled "Representative structural framing plan, upper floors", is one of five illustrations in the report that depict core columns. Each of these illustrations depicts the core columns at their minimum dimensions, and none depict them at their typical dimensions.

In May of 2005, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) released its Building Performance Study, of which Chapter 2, "WTC 1 and WTC 2", was devoted to explaining the "collapse" of the Twin Towers. It advances the "truss theory" or "pancake theory", in which the supposed failure of floor-truss-to-column connections is the initiating event in a series of chain reactions ending in total collapse. Added commentary in our archived copy exposes many deceptive techniques employed in the article. 3

Key elements of FEMA's theory depend on misrepresentations of the Towers' construction made possible by their vague descriptions. For example, to explain other collapse of the core their Study states:

As the floors collapsed, this left tall freestanding portions of the exterior wall and possibly central core columns. As the unsupported height of these freestanding exterior wall elements increased, they buckled at the bolted column splice connections, and also collapsed.

Contrary to the FEMA's hedged assertion that the core columns were freestanding, construction photographs clearly show that large horizontal beams cross-connected the core columns in a three-dimensional matrix of steel.

FEMA's report seems crafted to hide the structural significance of the core columns, if not their very existence. Examples of features of the Report that minimize or conceal the core structures include:

Figure D-13 from FEMA's Study, bearing the caption "WTC 1 or WTC 2 core column (C-74)", is the only photograph in the Study that shows an identified core column

* The absence of any illustrations showing core columns of typical dimensions

* The repeated use of the term "service core" to describe the cores, and avoidance of terminology describing their structural role

* The use of illustrations that imply the cores didn't exist, such as Figure 2-20

* The only photograph of a core column in the Report (Figure D-13) being of an atypical column of very small dimensions

* The inclusion of only floor plans that show core columns of very small dimensions with no clarification that the core columns that ran most of the Towers' heights were of much larger dimensions

NIST's Final Report on the Twin Towers

In 2005 NIST published its 'Final Report of the National Construction Safety Team on the Collapses of the World Trade Center Towers' -- a 280-page report that was extremely vague in a number of respects, including any description of the structural systems of the Towers. It contains very little information about the core columns, the following being one of the only passages describing them:

Figure 3-3 From NIST's Final Report drastically misrepresents the dimensions of the core columns on the 78th through the 83rd floors. The 47 columns in this rectangular space were fabricated using primarily 36 ksi and 42 ksi steels and also decreased in size in the higher stories. The four massive corner columns bore nearly one-fifth of the total gravity load on the core columns.

The passage implies that only the corner columns were "massive" when, in fact, the sixteen columns on the long faces of the cores shared the same dimensions for most of each Tower's height.

Illustrations in the Report depict the core columns at the North and South Tower crash zones as being the same size, when in fact the core columns were much broader around the 80th floor than around the 95th. NIST's failure to highlight this difference is especially interesting in light of its estimates of core column damage in the Towers. Those esimates show 10 of the South Tower's core columns severed, compared to only 6 of the North Tower's. How could the South Tower's core have had more damage when its impact-level columns were twice as large as the North Tower's and it sustained only a glancing rather than a head-on impact? Was NIST struggling to explain how the South Tower succumbed to "global collapse" almost twice as quickly as the North Tower despite having much smaller fires?

World Trade Center Master Plan

This illustration from 'Multi-Storey Buildings in Steel' shows a structural system that matches the drawings in the MASTER PLAN. Multi-Storey Buildings in Steel

Prior to the release of the detailed architectural drawings, 9-11 Research published the MASTER PLAN, dated December 16, 1963. The MASTER PLAN does not show structural details such as column dimensions, and shows an arrangement of core columns that was later changed. The obsolete core column arrangement indicated in the MASTER PLAN has been reproduced in other publications such as the book 'Multi-Storey Buildings in Steel'. 4

References

1. WTC surveillance tapes feared missing, AP, 12/10/02 [cached]

2. WTC Probe Ills Bared, Daily News, 3/7/02 [cached]

3. WTC 1 and WTC 2, FEMA.gov,

4. Multi-Storey Buildings in Steel, Second Edition, 1978

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-05   13:23:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Critter (#27)

At the moment of collapse, there were isolated pockets of fire

You do need me to post the flames.

Afuckingmazing how stupid you fucking people are.

war  posted on  2009-04-05   13:23:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: war (#30)

FUck you...prove that there is...in fact. I;ve asked you to prove all of your nonsense. To date you've responded 0 times.

You know you can't prove it.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-05   13:23:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: war (#32)

Afuckingmazing how stupid you fucking people are.

The 1975 World Trade Center Fire

The February 13, 1975 North Tower Fire has been carefully hidden from you. Here are a few reports concerning it.

The 1975 World Trade Center Fire

This 110-story steel-framed office building suffered a fire on the 11th floor on February 13, 1975. The loss was estimated at over $2000000. ...
www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_1975_fire.html - 9k - Cached -

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TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-05   13:24:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: TwentyTwelve (#31)

Contrary to the FEMA's hedged assertion that the core columns were freestanding, construction photographs clearly show that large horizontal beams cross-connected the core columns in a three-dimensional matrix of steel.

Those "cross beams" were actually the trusses.

Same old bullshit.

war  posted on  2009-04-05   13:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: war (#32)

Afuckingmazing how stupid you fucking people are.

The Firefighters' Tapes ...
www.prisonplanet.com/multimedia_priorknowledge_firefighterstape.html - 41k - Cached

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-05   13:25:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: TwentyTwelve (#34)

One floor...the 11th and there was no plane impact and explosiion and it diod not burn out of control...

Same bullshit.

war  posted on  2009-04-05   13:27:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: war (#35)

prisonplanet.com/articles...06/260906_b_Animation.htm

New WTC Animation: WTC Core

9/11 Blogger | September 26 2006

A more realistic representation of the backbone of the WTC. The building's backbone that NIST and FEMA ignored

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-05   13:27:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: TwentyTwelve (#36)

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."

Know what a 10-45 code one is?

war  posted on  2009-04-05   13:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: TwentyTwelve (#38)

A more realistic representation of the backbone of the WTC

Based upon what?

war  posted on  2009-04-05   13:33:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: war (#39)

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."

Know what a 10-45 code one is?

F.D.N.Y. Radio Codes

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-05   13:34:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: TwentyTwelve (#41)

I know what it means, simp. I have FDNY as friends and relatives. It how I know that there is no gag order and it's how IN know that anyone using the bunker gear of their fallen comrades to make a buck is full of shit.

BTW, there is no such thing as "active thermite material" that can be found in residue. When thermite is "active" its burning.

war  posted on  2009-04-05   15:43:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: TwentyTwelve (#33)

You know you can't prove it.

I can prove it far more easily than you can. I've posted numerous interviews of firemen's accounts of the day and YOU YOURSELF have posted transcripts of FDNY exchanges form that day. If there's a gag order, shit for brains, why are these out there in the public domain?

There is also a documentary out there that was made AFTER 9/11 about FDNY and 9/11 in which NUMEROUS FDNY talk about their experiences.

So, yea, consider yourself weighed and measured as the stupid piece of cow chip that you are.

war  posted on  2009-04-05   15:46:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: TwentyTwelve (#38)

A more realistic representation of the backbone of the WTC.

Based upon what?

war  posted on  2009-04-06   10:01:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: war (#43) (Edited)

Why does it appear you are personally invested in "proving" that .gov is honest to the American people (when it has proven itself otherwise), operates under the Rule of Law (when it has proven itself to act otherwise), beyond recriminations on any account concerning the events leading up to and concerning the day of 9/11 (which it has proven itself to be less than forthright and candid), and sets policies that are best for the American people and the country (which it, daily, proves it does otherwise: i.e., bailouts to banks, the Federal Reserve act, invasion by illegal aliens, NAFTA, CAFTA, etc.)?

Which .gov entity is paying you?, is what I want to know.

litus  posted on  2009-04-06   10:39:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: war (#43)

If there's a gag order, shit for brains, why are these out there in the public domain?

The only thing worse than a shill is a dumb shill.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-06   11:33:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: TwentyTwelve (#46)

The only thing worse than a shill is a dumb shill.

Irony is obviously lost on you.

That said, if there's a gag order, shit for brains, why are these out there in the public domain?

war  posted on  2009-04-06   11:52:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: litus (#45)

Why does it appear you are personally invested in "proving" that .gov is honest to the American people

Why would you take one instance and apply it universally?

That asked, nothing that you Moonbats have posted has stood up to scrutiny.

war  posted on  2009-04-06   11:53:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: TwentyTwelve (#38)

A more realistic representation of the backbone of the WTC.

Based upon what?

war  posted on  2009-04-06   11:54:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: war (#48) (Edited)

nothing that you Moonbats have posted has stood up to scrutiny.

Speaking of painting with "broad brushes".

It's obvious that if what you claim, and what .gov claims was "crystal clear" and completely forthright and could withstand scrutiny, there would not exist duplicity in .gov statements and commentary, an unwillingness to shine a light into .gov's actions, its employees' statements and behaviors, compelling testimony and evidence which contradicts .gov claims, contradictory statements made by .gov and .gov employees, rush to eliminate evidence from a crime scene, not a presumption of "cause" for the collapse...which led to absolutely no investigation of steel support structures of the WTC7, etc.

litus  posted on  2009-04-06   12:04:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: litus (#50)

It's obvious that if what you claim, and what .gov claims was "crystal clear" and completely forthright and could withstand scrutiny,

So far it has depsite what your short wave radio talking head says - this week anyway. His and the other Jones' "theories" change so often it's hard keeping up with them...

an unwillingness to shine a light into .gov's actions, its employees' statements and behaviors, compelling testimony and evidence which contradicts .gov claims, contradictory statements made by .gov and .gov employees, rush to eliminate evidence from a crime scene, not a presumption of "cause" for the collapse...which led to absolutely no investigation of steel support structures of the WTC7, etc.

And this is what I Mean...that babble may ahve some code word meaning to you Moonies but it makes 0 sense syntactically or semantically to us normal folk...

war  posted on  2009-04-06   12:36:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: TwentyTwelve (#38)

A more realistic representation of the backbone of the WTC.

Based upon what?

war  posted on  2009-04-06   12:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: war (#51)

rush to eliminate evidence from a crime scene, not a presumption of "cause" for the collapse...which led to absolutely no investigation of steel support structures of the WTC7, etc.

And this is what I Mean...that babble may ahve some code word meaning to you Moonies but it makes 0 sense syntactically or semantically to us normal folk...

That is why, I presume, you still have yet to answer the question I posed to you twice, now a third time:

War: Why would any other steel [from WTC7] need to be analyzed? [NOTE to War: No steel, whatsoever, from the WTC7 was analyzed]

You're joking, right? You didn't just ask "why should a criminal investigation investigate the location and debris within and surrounding the area of a crime scene?"

War: Nope. You are claiming that a controlled demo;lition occurred. To use one of your fellow Moonbat's phraseology...you can't even support he "effect" of a CD which makes your argument of "cause" moot.

So, you are admitting that the investigation into the fire and collapse of a skyscraper, which could have led to the deaths of hundreds of people, began, at the outset, with the presumption that the CRIME SCENE was not, in fact, a crime scene. The authorities (police, FBI, CIA, etc.) ruled out a crime had occurred from the outset, prior to conducting any investigations, gathering evidence, and speaking to witnesses could have occurred. From the moment of the CRIME...it was deemed "accidental" in nature, and the authorities subsequently only followed policy and procedures for accidents!

The above is only babble to a disinformation .gov shill.

litus  posted on  2009-04-06   13:12:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: litus (#53)

What does analyzing the steel have to do with how the building fell?

/moron

war  posted on  2009-04-06   13:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: war (#54)

What does analyzing the steel have to do with how the building fell?

/moron

So what would be the problem with analyzing the materials that might have been a contributing cause? Or are you saying the buildings were supposed to fail in this fashion? What is YOUR problem with a complete investigation? What are you afraid of?

mininggold  posted on  2009-04-06   14:05:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: war (#55)

To War: What is YOUR problem with a complete investigation? What are you afraid of?

What is your true agenda?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-06   14:11:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: war, mininggold (#54) (Edited)

What does analyzing the steel have to do with how the building fell?

Since when, in a criminal investigation involving the collapse of a building, explosions and fire does the investigation not include analyzing the support structures of said building....unless, of course, some kind of presumption was made prior to the investigation, which altered the normal course of investigations normally pursued for arson/criminal investigations.

I happen to know that arson investigations go much further into analyzing the "crime scene" than if it was presumed and believed, upon surface investigation that a crime was not, in fact, involved.

It was obvious to the entire world that a crime occurred on 9/11....except for the U.S. government, ATF, CIA, FBI, I guess.

litus  posted on  2009-04-06   14:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: All (#57)

*crickets*

litus  posted on  2009-04-06   15:43:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: mininggold (#55)

So what would be the problem with analyzing the materials that might have been a contributing cause?

They know what the contributing cause was...a fire that burned out of control for six hours compromised the buuilding's support structure..

Is your case that they set those thermite charges to activate after the building burned for six hours?

war  posted on  2009-04-07   8:31:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: litus (#57)

Since when, in a criminal investigation involving the collapse of a building, explosions and fire does the investigation not include analyzing the support structures of said building....unless, of course, some kind of presumption was made prior to the investigation, which altered the normal course of investigations normally pursued for arson/criminal investigations.

Is it your case that they set those thermite charges to activate after the building burned for six hours?

war  posted on  2009-04-07   8:31:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: litus (#58)

Huh?

war  posted on  2009-04-07   8:32:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: TwentyTwelve (#38)

A more realistic representation of the backbone of the WTC.

Based upon what?

war  posted on  2009-04-07   8:32:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: war (#61)

*crickets* Huh?

Third time asked, third time you've not answered.

Simple as that.

litus  posted on  2009-04-07   9:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: war (#60)

Is it your case that they set those thermite charges to activate after the building burned for six hours?

That's not an answer to my question, which was:

Since when, in a criminal investigation involving the collapse of a building, explosions and fire does the investigation not include analyzing the support structures of said building....unless, of course, some kind of presumption was made prior to the investigation, which altered the normal course of investigations normally pursued for arson/criminal investigations.
It appears assumptions and presumptions were made prior to the "investigation."

Did you know that when an unattended body is found dead, an autopsy is performed, even when it appears obvious as to the cause of death (i.e., multiple stabbings, gunshot wounds, etc.)? Would a thorough investigation as to the cause of death not be performed, the investigator would be considered negligent in his/her duties if the investigator merely assumed or presumed the cause of death, relying only upon surface level observations.

This type of negligence appears to be what the "investigators" of WTC 7 are guilty. And, to me, it appears intentional.

litus  posted on  2009-04-07   9:51:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: war, TwentyTwelve (#40) (Edited)

based on claims that it was a "hollow" steel core....I didn't realize that "hollowness" could be grounds for steel melting at temperatures far below the temperature at which fuel burns.

litus  posted on  2009-04-07   10:07:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: TwentyTwelve (#56)

I came upon the following:

QUOTE

NIST: “Our study found that the fires in WTC 7, which were uncontrolled but otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings, caused an extraordinary event,” said NIST WTC Lead Investigator Shyam Sunder. “Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail, initiating a fire-induced progressive collapse that brought the building down.”

“Video and photographic evidence combined with detailed computer simulations show that neither explosives nor fuel oil fires played a role in the collapse of WTC 7,” Sunder said. The NIST investigation team also determined that other elements of the building’s construction—namely trusses, girders and cantilever overhangs that were used to transfer loads from the building superstructure to the columns of the electric substation (over which WTC 7 was constructed) and foundation below—did not play a significant role in the collapse.

According to the report, a key factor leading to the eventual collapse of WTC 7 was thermal expansion of long-span floor systems at temperatures “hundreds of degrees below those typically considered in current practice for fire resistance ratings." WTC 7 used a structural system design in widespread use.

ENDQUOTE

A few reactions:

...in Appendix C of its World Trade Center Building Performance Study, FEMA claimed:

Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel... The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified.

This is the result of thermite, which, of course, does not "explode." The NIST has placed a nice strawman in their report they can use to dismiss any possibility of "controlled demolition" by saying there were no "explosions."

There's a variant of thermite called "thermate", hotter, faster and contains sulfur.

and a comment which sums up what many feel:

I find it an insult to my common sense that people put forward theories about
how ordinary fires could have caused the collapse of steel structures ...

litus  posted on  2009-04-07   10:47:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: litus (#66)

I find it an insult to my common sense that people put forward theories about how ordinary fires could have caused the collapse of steel structures ...

The people who believe this are either really stupid or they are shills.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-07   10:51:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: TwentyTwelve (#67)

The people who believe this are either really stupid or they are shills.

Yep.

litus  posted on  2009-04-07   10:57:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: war (#59)

They know what the contributing cause was...a fire that burned out of control for six hours compromised the buuilding's support structure..

Is your case that they set those thermite charges to activate after the building burned for six hours?

My case is for a thorough investigation, which includes analyses of materials. I really hope that there was no sabotaging of the buildings.

mininggold  posted on  2009-04-07   11:31:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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