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Editorial
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Title: The Essential Revolutionary Idea
Source: 4m
URL Source: [None]
Published: Apr 7, 2009
Author: Deasy
Post Date: 2009-04-07 07:26:31 by Deasy
Keywords: None
Views: 440
Comments: 29

Think back to the year 1775. The anniversary is coming up again on April the 19th. You remember. It's not September 11, which is our new so-called Patriot day according to House Joint Resolution 71. Why did the Minutemen go out to confront the British? What forced their hands and drove them to stand and die?

The shot that was heard around the world was fired because the Minutemen and their families thought they would never be free of abusive British control unless they took up arms to decide the issue. What could make them do this? The British were their business partners and military allies. The king had given them their lands. Why bite the hand that fed them?

To understand their outrage, we need to consider the terms life, liberty, and property. Enough Americans held these sacred that a war was started when property and liberty was threatened. Then in those times, life and liberty were understood to be the same thing. Today, the majority of Americans would think these ideas were wild and dangerous, wouldn't they? But that's what American colonists figured: when the British taxed and disarmed them, they were taking their lives too.

Today, with congress lining the pockets of Wall Street with our future prosperity, can we say that we are free? With an economy so controlled that detail after detail are managed by government offices and regulations, is property a useful word still? With wars being started and fought far away over mistaken threats while our own borders go undefended, are our lives safe?

If you agree with how your tax dollars are being spent, you may still want to consider what I am saying. What if you did not agree? Put yourself in the shoes of Americans who disagree with the war, or resent the intelligence complex's growing awareness of individual Americans.

What if you disagreed?

You couldn't do anything to stop it, could you? At least you might understand just how powerful the United States federal government has become. Those who oppose its actions in foreign wars, taxation, social policy, and the gradual loss individual liberties believe that American government is out of control and heading in the wrong direction.

The battles of Lexington and Concord were fought over much less.

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#6. To: Deasy (#0)

we need to consider the terms life, liberty, and property.

property is not listed in the Declaration of Independence. instead the wording is pursuit of happiness. property of course is real and concrete while pursuit of happiness is an idea that is completely subjective. property is the most important right because we cannot have life or liberty if we do not have private property. we would always be on someone else's property, correct? i understand the word property was in the original document. do you know who changed it and when?

christine  posted on  2009-04-11   13:14:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: James Deffenbach (#6)

ping

christine  posted on  2009-04-11   13:45:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine (#7)

Why was Thomas Jeffersons phrase. "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of property" Changed to Happiness?

"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" versus "Life, Liberty [and] Property"

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-11   13:57:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: James Deffenbach, Deasy (#8)

Part of the solution is to clarify what these terms MEANT to Locke and the founding fathers -- neither the mention of "property" nor of "happiness" means quite what WE tend to think.

By "property," Locke meant MORE than land and goods that could be sold, given away, or even confiscated by the government under certain circumstances. Property also referred to ownership of one's self, which included A RIGHT TO PERSONAL WELL BEING. Jefferson, however, substituted the phrase, "pursuit of happiness," which Locke and others had used to describe FREEDOM OF OPPORTUNITY as well as the duty to help those in want.

the part I bolded...very important as without ownership of one's self and one's own land, life and liberty are unobtainable. Our life and liberty are at the mercy of someone else.

christine  posted on  2009-04-11   18:07:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine (#12)

the part I bolded...very important as without ownership of one's self and one's own land, life and liberty are unobtainable. Our life and liberty are at the mercy of someone else.

Yes. And the founders would have rebelled long ago--can you imagine some nitwit cop or bureaucrat telling those guys they had to have a "license" to go anywhere on their horses? And yet, what is a car but an updated horse? A horse in their time was a means to travel, just as cars are today.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-11   18:31:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: James Deffenbach (#15)

The "Patriot Acts" alone would have triggered an immediate response by the Minutemen.

Deasy  posted on  2009-04-11   18:32:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Deasy (#16)

The "Patriot Act" would have gotten those who voted for it and signed for it killed back in the days of the founders. Not that very many of them would have signed or voted in favor of such a thing.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-11   18:53:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: James Deffenbach (#17)

Given our inability to protect our own freedoms, how can we "liberate" Iraq or Afghanistan? How dare we claim to be superior to any third world or "old European" country? After all, the Mideast is structured around Anglo-American imposed borders. The New World Order is American. There is a universalism in the fabric of our culture that brought this on.

Deasy  posted on  2009-04-11   19:00:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Deasy (#18)

Given our inability to protect our own freedoms, how can we "liberate" Iraq or Afghanistan?

Good point. People who are slaves aren't very likely going to "liberate" other slaves.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-11   19:02:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: James Deffenbach (#19)

Not unless their masters seek more lands and more subjects.

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