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Title: Rick Warren disavows support for Prop. 8
Source: OneNewsNow
URL Source: http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=481280
Published: Apr 8, 2009
Author: Jim Brown
Post Date: 2009-04-08 21:53:34 by Refinersfire
Keywords: None
Views: 1296
Comments: 44

California mega-church pastor and author of The Purpose Driven Life Rick Warren says he apologized to his homosexual friends for making comments in support of California's Proposition 8, and now claims he "never once even gave an endorsement" of the marriage amendment.

Monday night on CNN's Larry King Live, Pastor Rick Warren apologized for his support of Prop. 8, California's voter-approved marriage protection amendment, saying he has "never been and never will be" an "anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist."

"During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never -- never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop. 8 was going," Warren told the CNN audience on Monday. "The week before the -- the vote, somebody in my church said, 'Pastor Rick, what -- what do you think about this?' And I sent a note to my own members that said, I actually believe that marriage is -- really should be defined, that that definition should be -- say between a man and a woman."

However, just two weeks before the November 4 Prop. 8 vote, Pastor Warren issued a clear endorsement of the marriage amendment while speaking to church members. "We support Proposition 8 -- and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8," he said.

The following is a complete transcript of Warren's comments just weeks before the Prop. 8 election:

"The election's coming just in a couple of weeks, and I hope you're praying about your vote. One of the propositions, of course, that I want to mention is Proposition 8, which is the proposition that had to be instituted because the courts threw out the will of the people. And a court of four guys actually voted to change a definition of marriage that has been going for 5,000 years.

"Now let me say this really clearly: we support Proposition 8 -- and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8. I never support a candidate, but on moral issues I come out very clear.

"This is one thing, friends, that all politicians tend to agree on. Both Barack Obama and John McCain, I flat-out asked both of them: what is your definition of marriage? And they both said the same thing -- it is the traditional, historic, universal definition of marriage: one man and one woman, for life. And every culture for 5,000 years, and every religion for 5,000 years, has said the definition of marriage is between one man and a woman.

"Now here's an interesting thing. There are about two percent of Americans [who] are homosexual or gay/lesbian people. We should not let two percent of the population determine to change a definition of marriage that has been supported by every single culture and every single religion for 5,000 years.

"This is not even just a Christian issue -- it's a humanitarian and human issue that God created marriage for the purpose of family, love, and procreation.

"So I urge you to support Proposition 8, and pass that word on. I'm going to be sending out a note to pastors on what I believe about this. But everybody knows what I believe about it. They heard me at the Civil Forum when I asked both Obama and McCain on their views."

During his CNN interview on Monday, Warren expressed regret for backing Prop. 8. "There were a number of things that were put out. I wrote to all my gay friends -- the leaders that I knew -- and actually apologized to them. That never got out," he admitted.

Additionally, Pastor Warren said he did not want to comment on or criticize the Iowa Supreme Court's decision last week to legalize same-sex "marriage" because it was "not his agenda."

Bryan Fischer with the Idaho Values Alliance says Warren is abdicating his biblical role as a pastor. "For Pastor Warren to say that shoring up marriage is not something that's on his agenda is just something that's hard to believe for somebody who believes the Bible is our rule for faith and practice," Fischer notes.

Dr. Jim Garlow, the senior pastor of Skyline Wesleyan Church in the San Diego suburb of La Mesa, helped spearhead the Prop. 8 effort in California. Garlow admits he is confused and troubled by Pastor Warren's decision to apologize for supporting Prop. 8.

"Historically when institutions and individuals back away from convictional biblical truth, it is driven primarily by one single factor -- and that is the respectability of other people. In other words, much more caring about what other people think about them than what God thinks about them," he concludes.

Pastor Warren did not respond to a request from OneNewsNow for an interview.

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Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 29.

#4. To: Refinersfire (#0) (Edited)

Hey Rick Warren why don't you take an EDITED BY POSTER (I said something about Rick Warren taking a certain body part that happens to have the aids virus and putting it someplace really dark) END EDIT. Dont use protection you fat little punk.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-04-08   22:18:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Old Friend (#4)

Great display of the imagery you find appealing presented with temperamental immaturity. But hey, I prefer that to actually have someone in your niche that actually knows how to debate or argue an issue effectively.

So carry on, chum.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2009-04-08   22:23:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ferret Mike (#8)

Hey you dems said Bill was Ok to get head from Monica.

Would it be ok for Obama to have some fun with the queers he likes so much? I mean its just sex right.

Tell me Mike. Did your head get run over by a tractor trailer when you were a kid or did they do experiments on your brain?

Old Friend  posted on  2009-04-08   22:26:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Old Friend (#9)

I am no Dem, Dummy. I belong to the Pacific Green Party.

Yes I know you have more bad temper then brains, and yes I know you have no idea how to respect any view not your own. So, as this is already something repeatedly established, so, what is your point here?

A desire to impress lurkers who don't know you yet perhaps?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2009-04-08   22:32:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ferret Mike (#13)

I am no Dem, Dummy. I belong to the Pacific Green Party.

Yes I know you have more bad temper then brains, and yes I know you have no idea how to respect any view not your own. So, as this is already something repeatedly established, so, what is your point here?

A desire to impress lurkers who don't know you yet perhaps?

You voted for the alleged President. You voted for Kerry. You voted for Gore. Ok those are assumptions. Say it aint so. Otherwise you are a D.

He lied about bringing the troops home. Do you feel betrayed? Or do you flop when the magic negro flips?

Old Friend  posted on  2009-04-08   22:36:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Old Friend (#16)

Whom I vote for does not determine what party I belong to. I would have thought you would have figured that out by now.

And I see no lie in how President Obama is conducting military affairs, and I could care less what race anyone is.

This is still a bait by you, it is no invite to real discussion on anything. Still very typical of what you produce in forum consistently.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2009-04-08   22:44:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ferret Mike (#21)

Whom I vote for does not determine what party I belong to. I would have thought you would have figured that out by now.

And I see no lie in how President Obama is conducting military affairs, and I could care less what race anyone is.

This is still a bait by you, it is no invite to real discussion on anything. Still very typical of what you produce in forum consistently.

So Oreilly and Hannity aren't Republicans according to your logic. They claim to be independants.

When you consistently vote D you are a D.

Obama said he would start withdrawing troops immediatly. Were you not paying attention during the campaign or are you lying now?

I don't care what race he is. Out of anger I have called him a nigger. But so what. It is just an insult like Honkey, asshole, faggot, asswipe, etc. Why the special protection for one word about one people.

So you support the more troops in Afghanistan? Why do you support that? Oh and one more thing Ferret. I think you are a decent but very deceived person.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-04-08   22:49:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Old Friend (#25)

The way it works silly is that you can vote for whomever you wish to regardless of what your party is or if you even have one.

And as for the deployments and military policy, it is not realistic to expect President Obama to balance what he wants, with what his commanders say they need.

I spent more then the usual time in the Army much of it in combat arms and do not apologize for my views on current deployments and in how this administration is approaching foreign policy.

Overall I am pleased with how this POTUS is doing in this regard, and if you want to be civil I don't mind lively discussion on this topic.

As for Afghanistan, Obama is being pragmatic and including all players in the dialog and process of finding resolution to the conflict. I am encouraged by this and expect him to do well in bringing this long term conflict to a close much sooner then a George Bush could.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2009-04-08   23:02:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#31. To: Ferret Mike (#29)

He lied now more people died.

He lied Mike. Why are you ok with liars?

Old Friend  posted on  2009-04-08 23:04:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Ferret Mike (#29)

As for Afghanistan, Obama is being pragmatic and including all players in the dialog and process of finding resolution to the conflict.

While murdering civilians in the process. Obama was blooded his second day in office.

I am encouraged by this and expect him to do well in bringing this long term conflict to a close much sooner then a George Bush could.

What talking point through yonder partisan breaks?

bluegrass  posted on  2009-04-09 04:15:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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