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Title: Rick Warren disavows support for Prop. 8
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URL Source: http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=481280
Published: Apr 8, 2009
Author: Jim Brown
Post Date: 2009-04-08 21:53:34 by Refinersfire
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Views: 537
Comments: 44
California mega-church pastor and author of The Purpose Driven Life Rick Warren says he apologized to his homosexual friends for making comments in support of California's Proposition 8, and now claims he "never once even gave an endorsement" of the marriage amendment. Monday night on CNN's Larry King Live, Pastor Rick Warren apologized for his support of Prop. 8, California's voter-approved marriage protection amendment, saying he has "never been and never will be" an "anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist." "During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never -- never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop. 8 was going," Warren told the CNN audience on Monday. "The week before the -- the vote, somebody in my church said, 'Pastor Rick, what -- what do you think about this?' And I sent a note to my own members that said, I actually believe that marriage is -- really should be defined, that that definition should be -- say between a man and a woman." However, just two weeks before the November 4 Prop. 8 vote, Pastor Warren issued a clear endorsement of the marriage amendment while speaking to church members. "We support Proposition 8 -- and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8," he said. The following is a complete transcript of Warren's comments just weeks before the Prop. 8 election: "The election's coming just in a couple of weeks, and I hope you're praying about your vote. One of the propositions, of course, that I want to mention is Proposition 8, which is the proposition that had to be instituted because the courts threw out the will of the people. And a court of four guys actually voted to change a definition of marriage that has been going for 5,000 years. "Now let me say this really clearly: we support Proposition 8 -- and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8. I never support a candidate, but on moral issues I come out very clear. "This is one thing, friends, that all politicians tend to agree on. Both Barack Obama and John McCain, I flat-out asked both of them: what is your definition of marriage? And they both said the same thing -- it is the traditional, historic, universal definition of marriage: one man and one woman, for life. And every culture for 5,000 years, and every religion for 5,000 years, has said the definition of marriage is between one man and a woman. "Now here's an interesting thing. There are about two percent of Americans [who] are homosexual or gay/lesbian people. We should not let two percent of the population determine to change a definition of marriage that has been supported by every single culture and every single religion for 5,000 years. "This is not even just a Christian issue -- it's a humanitarian and human issue that God created marriage for the purpose of family, love, and procreation. "So I urge you to support Proposition 8, and pass that word on. I'm going to be sending out a note to pastors on what I believe about this. But everybody knows what I believe about it. They heard me at the Civil Forum when I asked both Obama and McCain on their views." During his CNN interview on Monday, Warren expressed regret for backing Prop. 8. "There were a number of things that were put out. I wrote to all my gay friends -- the leaders that I knew -- and actually apologized to them. That never got out," he admitted. Additionally, Pastor Warren said he did not want to comment on or criticize the Iowa Supreme Court's decision last week to legalize same-sex "marriage" because it was "not his agenda." Bryan Fischer with the Idaho Values Alliance says Warren is abdicating his biblical role as a pastor. "For Pastor Warren to say that shoring up marriage is not something that's on his agenda is just something that's hard to believe for somebody who believes the Bible is our rule for faith and practice," Fischer notes. Dr. Jim Garlow, the senior pastor of Skyline Wesleyan Church in the San Diego suburb of La Mesa, helped spearhead the Prop. 8 effort in California. Garlow admits he is confused and troubled by Pastor Warren's decision to apologize for supporting Prop. 8. "Historically when institutions and individuals back away from convictional biblical truth, it is driven primarily by one single factor -- and that is the respectability of other people. In other words, much more caring about what other people think about them than what God thinks about them," he concludes. Pastor Warren did not respond to a request from OneNewsNow for an interview.
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Let's see.. Pastor Warren is invited to the White House and now "changes" his mind, on a Biblical Issue.. Huummmmmmm... I wonder who is his "god" now..
So, is Rick for, or against, copulation via the corn-hole? Thank you. A yes, or no, answer will suffice.
Typical.
Hey Rick Warren why don't you take an EDITED BY POSTER (I said something about Rick Warren taking a certain body part that happens to have the aids virus and putting it someplace really dark) END EDIT. Dont use protection you fat little punk.
You KNOW who his "God" is now: The Kenyan Pretender and THIS: No matter; I've tossed this fraud's 'Purpose Driven Drivel' book (a gift) into the trash month ago. Rick Warren is nothing but an unprincipled backsliding feckless money-changer who will now convince millions of "Christians" that they are "bigots" for supporting Prop 8.
I'm sure he'd do it IF the Kenyan asks him nicely. Oh...for a small donation.
This is off topic but it will be tomorrows discussion. Look what the magic negro is doing now IMMIGRATION BILL THIS YEAR: Obama to begin looking for illegal immigrants to become legal, NY TIMES planning to lead in Page Ones on Thursday, newsroom sources tell DRUDGE... Developing...
Great display of the imagery you find appealing presented with temperamental immaturity. But hey, I prefer that to actually have someone in your niche that actually knows how to debate or argue an issue effectively. So carry on, chum.
Hey you dems said Bill was Ok to get head from Monica. Would it be ok for Obama to have some fun with the queers he likes so much? I mean its just sex right. Tell me Mike. Did your head get run over by a tractor trailer when you were a kid or did they do experiments on your brain?
Geez, BIG surprise, eh?? And thank to Dubya Bush's advocacy of the SAME position, the Unconstitutional "President" Soetoro will have a much easily time ramming thru this unconstitutionality with the help of the Marxist-Dem Caucus Leaders, Pelosi and that mortician, Harry Reid.
Yeah. I just copied and pasted this to an email along with the question, "If Rick Warren knows what God said about it then why does he think it is important to ask men like Barack Obama and John McCain what they think about it?" If they thought God was wrong then would Warren mention asking them what they thought? I think it is pretty clear which "god" he serves.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Asking him about his alleged brain is assuming facts not in evidence. At least not so far.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I am no Dem, Dummy. I belong to the Pacific Green Party. Yes I know you have more bad temper then brains, and yes I know you have no idea how to respect any view not your own. So, as this is already something repeatedly established, so, what is your point here? A desire to impress lurkers who don't know you yet perhaps?
Humm.. I voting against it, after voting for it, but then I thought, I mean blew my nose and then voting present and then visited my Doctor and now I am against what I was for before I was against both sides of the question.. Don't forget to vote for me! Luv ya, mean it ;-)
OF.. I really wish you would let us know what you are thinking, I can't for the life of me, know where you are on this subject... ;-) LOLOL
Yes I know you have more bad temper then brains, and yes I know you have no idea how to respect any view not your own. So, as this is already something repeatedly established, so, what is your point here? A desire to impress lurkers who don't know you yet perhaps? You voted for the alleged President. You voted for Kerry. You voted for Gore. Ok those are assumptions. Say it aint so. Otherwise you are a D. He lied about bringing the troops home. Do you feel betrayed? Or do you flop when the magic negro flips?
You know, back when he "was" big, I picked up his book in a book store. After about a min or two, I set it back down and I swear, something told me to stay away from him and his teachings..
LOLOL Sorry if I "grossed you out". Here is what I am thinking. I want everyone in the Obama to push the fag agenda. Then I want them to practice the fag agenda unsafely. Then I want them to all die of aids.
And to think, a year or so ago, he was the newest "thing" in how to be a "good" Christian.. yuck!
Too many wolves in sheep's clothing leading their flocks headlong into the ditch. Of course people have the responsibility to check out their leaders if they are going to be a follower. But these guys who knowingly and willfully mislead others will pay a high price for it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Whom I vote for does not determine what party I belong to. I would have thought you would have figured that out by now. And I see no lie in how President Obama is conducting military affairs, and I could care less what race anyone is. This is still a bait by you, it is no invite to real discussion on anything. Still very typical of what you produce in forum consistently.
Rick Warren us a new member of the Council on Foreign Relations. That is all you need to know.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
Most of Warren's followers will probably drink the Kool-Aid.
much better ;)
And I see no lie in how President Obama is conducting military affairs, and I could care less what race anyone is. This is still a bait by you, it is no invite to real discussion on anything. Still very typical of what you produce in forum consistently. So Oreilly and Hannity aren't Republicans according to your logic. They claim to be independants. When you consistently vote D you are a D. Obama said he would start withdrawing troops immediatly. Were you not paying attention during the campaign or are you lying now? I don't care what race he is. Out of anger I have called him a nigger. But so what. It is just an insult like Honkey, asshole, faggot, asswipe, etc. Why the special protection for one word about one people. So you support the more troops in Afghanistan? Why do you support that? Oh and one more thing Ferret. I think you are a decent but very deceived person.
Isn't that special.. the asshat!
Yeah, and that's sad.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Good instinct...(took a whole minute or two, eh? ;-) Warren has demonstrated "The Purpose Driven" backbone of a jellyfish, and principle of a $5-dollar whore.
The way it works silly is that you can vote for whomever you wish to regardless of what your party is or if you even have one. And as for the deployments and military policy, it is not realistic to expect President Obama to balance what he wants, with what his commanders say they need. I spent more then the usual time in the Army much of it in combat arms and do not apologize for my views on current deployments and in how this administration is approaching foreign policy. Overall I am pleased with how this POTUS is doing in this regard, and if you want to be civil I don't mind lively discussion on this topic. As for Afghanistan, Obama is being pragmatic and including all players in the dialog and process of finding resolution to the conflict. I am encouraged by this and expect him to do well in bringing this long term conflict to a close much sooner then a George Bush could.
NICE revelation! Warren is CFR. Case closed.
He lied now more people died. He lied Mike. Why are you ok with liars?
To be honest, I was trying to see just what he was saying. And to this day, I have no clue. That doesn't happen much, at least, not to me. As it went in so many directions..
That is no invite to discussion. rhetorically, this post is a "So, how long have you been beating your Mom?" sort of diatribe. Surely you can do better then this.
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While murdering civilians in the process. Obama was blooded his second day in office. I am encouraged by this and expect him to do well in bringing this long term conflict to a close much sooner then a George Bush could. What talking point through yonder partisan breaks?
Good question.
Good question. Yes, a very good question.
My friend, good to see ya over here.. tho I see you and war met a day or so ago ;-)
Good one!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He would have to grow in stature and integrity to come up to a five dollar hooker.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He would have to grow in stature and integrity to come up to a five dollar hooker. ROFL.
LOL ..... yes. And, may I quite seriously say about that, 'war' took my initial appearance on this site as his neurotic opportunity to be a classless bum. His very first post to me here was ignorant, as he likes to refer to me as "Otis" (a pretty darn likeable character on "The Andy Griffith Show") because I confided in some on LP that I liked my beer. Oh well. I would have wished that he could have avoided his insecurity and pent-up jealousies, and would have just started anew here ..... but he could not avoid his most basic impulses ..... to be uncouth and petty. As I always say, there is no substitute for good breeding. Unfortunately, he has very little. ;-) **** p.s. Let me add, it's great to see you here, Refinersfire. I always respected your concise, intelligent posts over at L.P. **** 'war' to me is down and out.
Yea...fat, drunk and slobbering all over myself and then bragging about all of them is EXACTLY what I strive to be...
I'll PING you next time I'm in the 'burgh...we'll see who ends up on the canvas...I don't know what they taught yinz in your side of the tracks but on my side, wife and kids are not fair game.
#2. To: Refinersfire (#1)
#3. To: Refinersfire (#0)
I've already said too much.
#4. To: Refinersfire (#0)
(Edited)
#5. To: Refinersfire (#1)
Let's see.. Pastor Warren is invited to the White House and now "changes" his mind, on a Biblical Issue.. Huummmmmmm... I wonder who is his "god" now..
#6. To: Old Friend (#4)
#7. To: F16Fighter (#6)
#8. To: Old Friend (#4)
#9. To: Ferret Mike (#8)
#10. To: Old Friend (#7)
IMMIGRATION BILL THIS YEAR: Obama to begin looking for illegal immigrants to become legal, NY TIMES planning to lead in Page Ones on Thursday, newsroom sources tell DRUDGE... Developing...
#11. To: Refinersfire (#1)
Let's see.. Pastor Warren is invited to the White House and now "changes" his mind, on a Biblical Issue.. Huummmmmmm... I wonder who is his "god" now..
Lord Acton
#12. To: Old Friend (#9)
Tell me Mike. Did your head get run over by a tractor trailer when you were a kid or did they do experiments on your brain?
Lord Acton
#13. To: Old Friend (#9)
#14. To: lodwick (#2)
A yes, or no, answer will suffice.
#15. To: Old Friend (#4)
#16. To: Ferret Mike (#13)
I am no Dem, Dummy. I belong to the Pacific Green Party.
#17. To: F16Fighter (#5)
No matter; I've tossed this fraud's 'Purpose Driven Drivel' book (a gift) into the trash month ago.
#18. To: Refinersfire (#15)
OF.. I really wish you would let us know what you are thinking, I can't for the life of me, know where you are on this subject... ;-)
#19. To: James Deffenbach (#11)
#20. To: Refinersfire (#19)
Lord Acton
#21. To: Old Friend (#16)
#22. To: Old Friend, Refinersfire (#4)
#23. To: James Deffenbach (#20)
Of course people have the responsibility to check out their leaders if they are going to be a follower.
I've already said too much.
#24. To: Old Friend (#4)
#25. To: Ferret Mike (#21)
Whom I vote for does not determine what party I belong to. I would have thought you would have figured that out by now.
#26. To: Horse (#22)
Rick Warren us a new member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
#27. To: MUDDOG (#23)
Most of Warren's followers will probably drink the Kool-Aid.
Lord Acton
#28. To: Refinersfire (#17)
You know, back when he "was" big, I picked up his book in a book store. After about a min or two, I set it back down and I swear, something told me to stay away from him and his teachings..
#29. To: Old Friend (#25)
#30. To: Horse (#22)
Rick Warren us a new member of the Council on Foreign Relations. That is all you need to know.
#31. To: Ferret Mike (#29)
#32. To: F16Fighter (#28)
(took a whole minute or two, eh? ;-)
#33. To: Old Friend (#31)
#34. To: Refinersfire (#0)
#35. To: Ferret Mike (#29)
As for Afghanistan, Obama is being pragmatic and including all players in the dialog and process of finding resolution to the conflict.
#36. To: Refinersfire (#1)
Let's see.. Pastor Warren is invited to the White House and now "changes" his mind, on a Biblical Issue.. Huummmmmmm... I wonder who is his "god" now..
#37. To: beyond the sea, Refinersfire, bluegrass (#36)
I wonder who is his "god" now..
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#38. To: beyond the sea (#36)
#39. To: bluegrass (#35)
What talking point through yonder partisan breaks?
Lord Acton
#40. To: F16Fighter (#28)
Warren has demonstrated "The Purpose Driven" backbone of a jellyfish, and principle of a $5-dollar whore.
Lord Acton
#41. To: James Deffenbach, F16Fighter (#40)
Warren has demonstrated "The Purpose Driven" backbone of a jellyfish, and principle of a $5-dollar whore.
#42. To: Refinersfire, war (#38)
........ tho I see you and war met a day or so ago ;-)
#43. To: beyond the sea (#42)
I would have wished that he could have avoided his insecurity and pent-up jealousies, and would have just started anew here ...
#44. To: beyond the sea (#42)
'war' to me is down and out.
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