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Title: Predictions come true (Republicrats and Democans flip-flop now that their masters have changed roles
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Published: Apr 9, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-04-09 11:05:04 by F.A. Hayek Fan
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Comments: 56

During the elections, myself and a few other prescient few on f4um made the prediction that if Obama won that Republicrats and Democans would flip-flop on many of their views such as the war on terror and big government.

After perusing TOS1, TOS2 and DU, I see that our predictions have come true in spades. The Republicrat butt-sniffers on TOS1 and TOS2 who have spent the last 8 years supporting every big government program shoved down the throat of the American people now all of a sudden disapprove of big government and act as if the world is ending because Obama is furthering the same programs implemented by Bush. On the other hand, the Democans, after bitching and moaning about the war on terror, are now falling in lockstep with the very same policies they claimed they hated under Bush.

If there is a larger groups of fools and tools in this country, I've yet to see them.

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#2. To: Hayek Fan (#0)

If there is a larger groups of fools and tools in this country, I've yet to see them.

It reminds me of the South's states' rights defense against federal interference in the late 60s.

It's the only way to conduct a racial contest if you can't actually talk about race. The federal powers are not the issue, but who they are being used for and against.

Taken at face value, it is of course absurd, and a testament to the victory of the anti-whites.

Pro-constitution types are usually just as absurd; it's an argument that only matters in a white society.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-09   11:22:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Pro-constitution types are usually just as absurd; it's an argument that only matters in a white society.

The anti-federalists were all white guys.

www.wepin.com/articles/afp/

RidinShotgun  posted on  2009-04-09   11:30:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The anti-federalists were all white guys.

They were even more pro-freedom. And I was speaking of contemporary pro-constitution types, as I'm sure you know.

It doesn't always matter in white societies -- in fact has seldom mattered, ever -- but it is in white societies that it has the best shot at an audience and success.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-09   11:39:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes, I knew to whom you were referring. Unfortunately, too many of our contemporary pro-constitutionalists don't know their country's history very well. Government has always been about loopholes and dis-information and white governments have always been exceptionally adept at it.

Sorry.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2009-04-09   11:48:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

white governments have always been exceptionally adept at it.

On average, yes, white institutions are better at anything they set their minds to.

Anyway, as Kipling said, as a white man I am used to the lies whites tell.

If government is to tell lies, and of course it will, let them be white lies.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-09   11:53:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

On average, yes, white institutions are better at anything they set their minds to.

So why aren't white individuals better at seeing through all the little white lies?

Kill the Indian to save the Indian ... kill the Muslim to save the Muslim. Give us your first born white child to use as expendable weaponry in these wars.

Jesus Annie, how much dumber can it get? And yet how many white people swallowed those little white lies, hook line and sinker?

RidinShotgun  posted on  2009-04-09   12:01:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So why aren't white individuals better at seeing through all the little white lies? Kill the Indian to save the Indian ... kill the Muslim to save the Muslim.

Or, say, all races are equally intelligent and the South ought to be desegregated and destroyed.

The black underclass is the portrait of the liberal Dorian Gray.

The answer is that the contingencies of reinforcement assure it. There is an immediate personal payoff, in competition with other whites, in an appeal to a moral principle rather than naked self- or racial interest. The negative consequences (to whites, when they are negative) are seldom personal, somebody else pays them, and they are deferred.

Although in the Indian case it was, apparently, adaptive, I'm not sure how widespread that "saving" sentiment was. Whites had a better, if imperfect sense of race then, and fewer illusions about noble savages.

It works perfectly well in a white society... :/ Those that don't like the way whites are should simply stay away from them. Many, maybe most whites would be delighted and happy to reciprocate.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-09   12:26:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Without integration laws, people would be like water ... seeking their own level. So who's been at the forefront of the promotion of integration laws? And why?

But yes, white people are more geared toward competition than cooperation and maybe that's part of the problem. They only cooperate well when they feel threatened by "outsiders", whether that threat is real or only perceived through massive propaganda campaigns.

And remember, it isn't only white on color (or the reverse). Americans also felt the need to kill white Germans to save them from their errors.

BTW, the "killing to save" sentiment was strong amongst whites during the Indian wars. They had to be cleansed of their pagan beliefs ... or die. Not to mention, they were hogging the land.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2009-04-09   12:42:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Americans also felt the need to kill white Germans to save them from their errors.

People once spoke of the German or British races. This usage makes some sense. Perhaps not coincidentally, ancient China's most rapid period of technological advance was the warring states period.

They had to be cleansed of their pagan beliefs ... or die.

There was also a movement to whiten and Christianize them, and also the idea that the only good Indian was a dead one, the last attitude most commonly found among white communities with the most experience at living near Indians.

It just so happened that their interests coincided with those of the empire-builders in Washington. Whites have been schizophrenic about race ever since they emerged from Europe.

So who's been at the forefront of the promotion of integration laws? And why?

Mostly Jews and their yes-men. The pseudo-scientific basis (whitey likes science and pretensions to objectivity) for it originated with Boas.

Interestingly, Boas was not always an equalitarian. He became one in the 1920s, after the first world war, as the white empires went into decline, political Zionism gained real strength, and America was flooded with diverse immigrants from Europe.

It served the purpose of keeping the American empire together, helped to assimilate the huge wave of European immigrants, and laid the groundwork for Jewish access to American formal power centers.

In the 60s and beyond, equalitarianism served the purpose of suborning potentially revolutionary black male leaders, by giving them a direct and explicitly black stake in the system, rather than the indirect and implicitly white-assimilationist stake provided by the old establishment.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-09   13:28:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Me: So who's been at the forefront of the promotion of integration laws? And why?

You: Mostly Jews and their yes-men. The pseudo-scientific basis (whitey likes science and pretensions to objectivity) for it originated with Boas.

Agreed, but the answer I was actually hoping for was demoblicans and republicrats, or leftists and rightists, who have both promoted integration, talking out of both sides of their mouths depending on which party had majority control at the time. They have, in the process, sold us ALL out under the transparent guise of diversity.

The so-called two party system has always been a scam and Americans of all creeds and colors have fallen for it, generation after generation. A people may be academically superior, but when it comes to common sense, there seems to be less of it in the hallowed halls of academia than you'd find in the roughest third world village.

There was also a movement to whiten and Christianize them, and also the idea that the only good Indian was a dead one, the last attitude most commonly found among white communities with the most experience at living near Indians.

Many of them did christianize, but anyone wishing to "whiten" them must've been depending on scaring them white. But how did you arrive at the conclusion that it was mostly whites with direct experience with Indians who set the policies? The westward ho settlers and miners wrote policy? I dunno, maybe George Catlin didn't get close enough to them, although he surely did write plenty about his direct experiences with them. Of course what he wrote wasn't what the REAL policy writers wanted to hear. So they ignored him. The more things change ...

RidinShotgun  posted on  2009-04-09   14:12:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Many of them did christianize, but anyone wishing to "whiten" them must've been depending on scaring them white. But how did you arrive at the conclusion that it was mostly whites with direct experience with Indians who set the policies? The westward ho settlers and miners wrote policy? I dunno, maybe George Catlin didn't get close enough to them, although he surely did write plenty about his direct experiences with them. Of course what he wrote wasn't what the REAL policy writers wanted to hear. So they ignored him. The more things change ...

The Indians were no more savage and brutal than those who attempted to exterminate them and steal their land.

While some tribes were warlike, for example The Algonquin Confederation (which also had a sophisticated Representative Government), they also had distinct codes of honor and conduct.

Many of the so-called Indian Massacres followed White Massacre's of Indian Villages.

It wasn't the Indians who provoked the "Battle of The Little Bighorn" but that heroic figure George Armstrong Custer who rode into the encampment of the tribes and began slaughtering women and children. Were the Indians savages for resenting having their unarmed loved ones run down and skewered on Custer's Cutlass?

As near as we can trace one of my grandmothers was a survivor of the "White Man's Justice" and was taken as a surviving baby from a massacre and raised as a White Englishwoman. While she was a very beautiful woman one can look at the 1903 Wedding Photo and know she was Indian - but only if you know what you are looking for as far as facial shape etc., ... She acted and behaved as any intelligent and well educated Englishwoman would behave.

It is culture, not race, which is the greatest determinant of behavior and attitude. IQ is most closely tied to literacy level, and most IQ tests would be better classified as literacy tests as you have to have the correct vocabulary to understand them. My own father was classified as an imbecile with an IQ of 36 because the Marine Corps I.Q. test he took used vocabulary common to city kids and he was raised in the country. [He went on to represent the USMC in the National Rifle Championships (finished second by a couple hundredths of a point), and later became a professional pilot and flight instructor.} That is also why the common sleights toward country kids began as they uniformly scored low because the vocabulary in the tests was geared toward kids raised in an urban environment.

I never fail to be both amused and sickened by the boobs and nitwits who have to inflate their own overarching egos by acting as though the color of their skin added to their, doubtful, "intelligence".

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-09   15:53:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It is culture, not race, which is the greatest determinant of behavior and attitude.

Absolutely. The only question I have on a comparative basis is which cultures have been better suited to nourishing life, rather than destroying it.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2009-04-09   16:14:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It is culture, not race, which is the greatest determinant of behavior and attitude.

Absolutely. The only question I have on a comparative basis is which cultures have been better suited to nourishing life, rather than destroying it.

I think different cultures at different times have been successful to one degree or another. Gauttama Siddhartha, the Buddha, who was born into a warrior culture, which he turned his back on, and civilized half the world had at least some of the answers.

The message of Christ, as stated and practiced by him not as practiced by the bloodthirsty barbarians who call themselves "Christian", was another.

Egypt, for a time, had a successful culture based upon agriculture and learning, but gave way to the corrupt priesthood, debasement, and corruption of the rulers.

Climate, culture, and religion are all intertwined and one can find the most savage and warlike cultures springing up in the most savage environments. Religion, in its most enlightening forms, has been the leavening which has kept the planet less than the total hell the psychotic power seekers always seek to create.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-09   16:26:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Religion, in its most enlightening forms, has been the leavening which has kept the planet less than the total hell the psychotic power seekers always seek to create.

The message of Christ, as stated and practiced by him not as practiced by the bloodthirsty barbarians who call themselves "Christian", was another.

Important points. That's why I have a problem with the theory of evolution, at least when it comes to humans ... its more like devolution.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2009-04-09   16:31:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Important points. That's why I have a problem with the theory of evolution, at least when it comes to humans ... its more like devolution.

The biggest problem with evolution is that it begins with a false premise i.e., that all life, thought, and existence arises only and solely from a material cause. Evolution, as practiced so dogmatically by the Darwinists, begins with the presumption that matter created itself and then created life. Excluded is any of that dimension we call the spiritual i.e., the self awareness which we as sentient beings are. The presumption, totally unproved or supported, is that thought is an artifact of "chemical reactions" and that the universe "just happened". One can see the further exposition of this in Darwinian evolution in the rejection of a causal force, life force, or as Bergson termed it "Elan Vitale'", which motivates and drives those forces which we see as evolution. Since the Darwinists always, and without examination or justification, reject this non-material element they are, as is shown by their theory's inability to account for all observations, a dead-end failure. They are no less dogmatic than a "young earth fundamentalist". Both have a fixed idea which is not amenable to reason or evidence. They are both convinced that they are right and that there is no possibility of error, and evidence to the contrary is rejected and damned.

The perceived devolution is simply the result of allowing psychotics to rule and the inability of most people to confront evil, name it correctly, and oppose it.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-09   16:42:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#34. To: Original_Intent (#33)

They are both convinced that they are right and that there is no possibility of error, and evidence to the contrary is rejected and damned.

Well, yes, of course they are each convinced of their infallibility. I wasn't really talking about the various theories on Darwinism, though, only that cultures always progress/regress into tyranny and chaos. And getting back to the topic of this thread, the exact same thing can be said of democrats and republicans/liberals and conservatives and where they've gotten us with their "bipartisan" backdoor agreements.

Only now there's nowhere left to run.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2009-04-09 16:59:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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