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Title: Predictions come true (Republicrats and Democans flip-flop now that their masters have changed roles
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Published: Apr 9, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-04-09 11:05:04 by F.A. Hayek Fan
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Comments: 56

During the elections, myself and a few other prescient few on f4um made the prediction that if Obama won that Republicrats and Democans would flip-flop on many of their views such as the war on terror and big government.

After perusing TOS1, TOS2 and DU, I see that our predictions have come true in spades. The Republicrat butt-sniffers on TOS1 and TOS2 who have spent the last 8 years supporting every big government program shoved down the throat of the American people now all of a sudden disapprove of big government and act as if the world is ending because Obama is furthering the same programs implemented by Bush. On the other hand, the Democans, after bitching and moaning about the war on terror, are now falling in lockstep with the very same policies they claimed they hated under Bush.

If there is a larger groups of fools and tools in this country, I've yet to see them.

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If there is a larger groups of fools and tools in this country, I've yet to see them.

It reminds me of the South's states' rights defense against federal interference in the late 60s.

It's the only way to conduct a racial contest if you can't actually talk about race. The federal powers are not the issue, but who they are being used for and against.

Taken at face value, it is of course absurd, and a testament to the victory of the anti-whites.

Pro-constitution types are usually just as absurd; it's an argument that only matters in a white society.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-09   11:22:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Pro-constitution types are usually just as absurd; it's an argument that only matters in a white society.

The anti-federalists were all white guys.

www.wepin.com/articles/afp/

RidinShotgun  posted on  2009-04-09   11:30:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The anti-federalists were all white guys.

They were even more pro-freedom. And I was speaking of contemporary pro-constitution types, as I'm sure you know.

It doesn't always matter in white societies -- in fact has seldom mattered, ever -- but it is in white societies that it has the best shot at an audience and success.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-09   11:39:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes, I knew to whom you were referring. Unfortunately, too many of our contemporary pro-constitutionalists don't know their country's history very well. Government has always been about loopholes and dis-information and white governments have always been exceptionally adept at it.

Sorry.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2009-04-09   11:48:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

white governments have always been exceptionally adept at it.

On average, yes, white institutions are better at anything they set their minds to.

Anyway, as Kipling said, as a white man I am used to the lies whites tell.

If government is to tell lies, and of course it will, let them be white lies.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-09   11:53:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

On average, yes, white institutions are better at anything they set their minds to.

So why aren't white individuals better at seeing through all the little white lies?

Kill the Indian to save the Indian ... kill the Muslim to save the Muslim. Give us your first born white child to use as expendable weaponry in these wars.

Jesus Annie, how much dumber can it get? And yet how many white people swallowed those little white lies, hook line and sinker?

RidinShotgun  posted on  2009-04-09   12:01:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So why aren't white individuals better at seeing through all the little white lies? Kill the Indian to save the Indian ... kill the Muslim to save the Muslim.

Or, say, all races are equally intelligent and the South ought to be desegregated and destroyed.

The black underclass is the portrait of the liberal Dorian Gray.

The answer is that the contingencies of reinforcement assure it. There is an immediate personal payoff, in competition with other whites, in an appeal to a moral principle rather than naked self- or racial interest. The negative consequences (to whites, when they are negative) are seldom personal, somebody else pays them, and they are deferred.

Although in the Indian case it was, apparently, adaptive, I'm not sure how widespread that "saving" sentiment was. Whites had a better, if imperfect sense of race then, and fewer illusions about noble savages.

It works perfectly well in a white society... :/ Those that don't like the way whites are should simply stay away from them. Many, maybe most whites would be delighted and happy to reciprocate.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-09   12:26:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Without integration laws, people would be like water ... seeking their own level. So who's been at the forefront of the promotion of integration laws? And why?

But yes, white people are more geared toward competition than cooperation and maybe that's part of the problem. They only cooperate well when they feel threatened by "outsiders", whether that threat is real or only perceived through massive propaganda campaigns.

And remember, it isn't only white on color (or the reverse). Americans also felt the need to kill white Germans to save them from their errors.

BTW, the "killing to save" sentiment was strong amongst whites during the Indian wars. They had to be cleansed of their pagan beliefs ... or die. Not to mention, they were hogging the land.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2009-04-09   12:42:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Americans also felt the need to kill white Germans to save them from their errors.

People once spoke of the German or British races. This usage makes some sense. Perhaps not coincidentally, ancient China's most rapid period of technological advance was the warring states period.

They had to be cleansed of their pagan beliefs ... or die.

There was also a movement to whiten and Christianize them, and also the idea that the only good Indian was a dead one, the last attitude most commonly found among white communities with the most experience at living near Indians.

It just so happened that their interests coincided with those of the empire-builders in Washington. Whites have been schizophrenic about race ever since they emerged from Europe.

So who's been at the forefront of the promotion of integration laws? And why?

Mostly Jews and their yes-men. The pseudo-scientific basis (whitey likes science and pretensions to objectivity) for it originated with Boas.

Interestingly, Boas was not always an equalitarian. He became one in the 1920s, after the first world war, as the white empires went into decline, political Zionism gained real strength, and America was flooded with diverse immigrants from Europe.

It served the purpose of keeping the American empire together, helped to assimilate the huge wave of European immigrants, and laid the groundwork for Jewish access to American formal power centers.

In the 60s and beyond, equalitarianism served the purpose of suborning potentially revolutionary black male leaders, by giving them a direct and explicitly black stake in the system, rather than the indirect and implicitly white-assimilationist stake provided by the old establishment.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-09   13:28:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Me: So who's been at the forefront of the promotion of integration laws? And why?

You: Mostly Jews and their yes-men. The pseudo-scientific basis (whitey likes science and pretensions to objectivity) for it originated with Boas.

Agreed, but the answer I was actually hoping for was demoblicans and republicrats, or leftists and rightists, who have both promoted integration, talking out of both sides of their mouths depending on which party had majority control at the time. They have, in the process, sold us ALL out under the transparent guise of diversity.

The so-called two party system has always been a scam and Americans of all creeds and colors have fallen for it, generation after generation. A people may be academically superior, but when it comes to common sense, there seems to be less of it in the hallowed halls of academia than you'd find in the roughest third world village.

There was also a movement to whiten and Christianize them, and also the idea that the only good Indian was a dead one, the last attitude most commonly found among white communities with the most experience at living near Indians.

Many of them did christianize, but anyone wishing to "whiten" them must've been depending on scaring them white. But how did you arrive at the conclusion that it was mostly whites with direct experience with Indians who set the policies? The westward ho settlers and miners wrote policy? I dunno, maybe George Catlin didn't get close enough to them, although he surely did write plenty about his direct experiences with them. Of course what he wrote wasn't what the REAL policy writers wanted to hear. So they ignored him. The more things change ...

RidinShotgun  posted on  2009-04-09   14:12:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

the answer I was actually hoping for

Sorry.

But how did you arrive at the conclusion that it was mostly whites with direct experience with Indians who set the policies?

I didn't.

And Catlin was a tourist.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-09   14:21:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I didn't.

Then why did you say "the last attitude most commonly found among white communities with the most experience at living near Indians.

How do you know this is true, then? Well, other than that's what the writers of the cowboy and Indian movies would have us believe.

But in today's world I'd probably have to agree with you, white people definitely resent having to live anywhere near such poverty.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2009-04-09   14:28:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

How do you know this is true, then?

Jamestown, for one. To which testimony should I give greater weight? That of men who built white communities near Indians or that of a tourist who couldn't keep it in his pants? By definition, living for a few weeks or months with any one Indian tribe off-and-on for eight years is not living like a white man -- or an Indian, for that matter.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-09   14:41:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Jamestown, for one. To which testimony should I give greater weight? That of men who built white communities near Indians or that of a tourist who couldn't keep it in his pants? By definition, living for a few weeks or months with any one Indian tribe off-and-on for eight years is not living like a white man -- or an Indian, for that matter.

Well okay, we'll try it a different way. If you were an Iraqi and had read the msm accounts of what was happening over there, you'd have only one side of the story. The same is true with Jamestown. There is another side to that story, too.

Demonizing people is the best method of discrediting their words. It always works.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2009-04-09   14:50:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The same is true with Jamestown. There is another side to that story, too.

Yes, Indians resisted colonization. I can hardly blame them for that.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-09   15:23:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I think it was a lot more than simply resisting colonization.

www.chroniclesofamerica.c...rn- colonies/jamestown.htm

(Jamestown) The nineteenth day Percy with several others going into the woods back of the peninsula met with a narrow path traced through the forest. Pursuing it, they came to an Indian village.

We Stayed there a while and had of them strawberries and other thinges . .. . One of the Savages brought us on the way to the Woodside where there was a Garden of Tobacco and other fruits and herbes; he gathered Tobacco and distributed to every one of us, so wee departed. Percy's Discourse

But later .... www.mrnussbaum.com/histor y/jamestown.htm

Besides managing Jamestown, John Smith procured food from local Indians for European trinkets and goods. Despite Powhatan's demand for guns, John Smith refused to trade them, and often burned villages and stole food when Indians would not trade.

I suppose a few burned villages and empty food caches might tick somebody off enough to retaliate.

The whole thing kind of reminds me of those who scream in pain while they're rearranging your face.

Sorry for going off topic.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2009-04-09   15:52:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I suppose a few burned villages and empty food caches might tick somebody off enough to retaliate.

But they rightly saved the most gruesome treatment of white corpses for their "special friends" among the colonists -- deluded race-traitors, really -- like George Thorpe.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-09   20:05:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

deluded race-traitors

Well pardon me, but I don't think there is any such thing as a race traitor, there are simply people who want to experience people, places and things that would probably frighten the daylights out of others.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2009-04-09   20:20:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't think there is any such thing as a race traitor

Most aren't consciously so. Thorpe wasn't. They're mostly just (white) social climbers.

there are simply people who want to experience people, places and things

Tourists.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-04-09   20:27:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Tourists.

Explorers, voyageurs, adventurers, colonists. If not for them, where would you be?

RidinShotgun  posted on  2009-04-09   20:40:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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