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Title: Three Remaining Events
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URL Source: http://www.rense.com/general67/threed.htm
Published: Aug 7, 2005
Author: Ted Lang
Post Date: 2005-08-07 13:45:07 by Zipporah
Keywords: Remaining, Events, Three
Views: 200
Comments: 39
Once an inquiring mind accepts the "absurdity" of the United States government's planning, arranging, and conspiring with another government's intelligence agency to bring about the Pearl Harbor of the 21st century, and once it can be recognized that the anger generated by such a successful plot was capitalized upon by the American Empire to wage an unnecessary, unjust and unconstitutional war, figuring out the rest is easy. Today in America, allegiance to both the Bush administration and its uncalled for invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and its brutal mass murder of Iraqis serving the objectives of Israel and oil, the term "patriotism" is now used to identify those Americans who support Bush and his political party. Those Americans who "support the troops," who cheer the slaughter of "towelheads," smelly Arabs, Israel-threatening Palestinians, "camel jockeys," and all the other rock-solid reasons for killing our fellow humans in the nationalistic trade-off of blood-for-oil, are indeed the select members of "patriotic" American society. Either you are with Bush and his GOP [Gang of Plunderers], or you are with the terrorists! As a true American, you must agree unquestionably with the napalm carpet-bombing of Fallujah in retaliation for the "murders" of four one-thousand-dollar-a-day private contractors, more accurately termed "mercenaries." They were killed in that hapless city and their horribly mangled bodies were hung from a bridge signifying the contempt and hatred these people now have for all Americans, not just their brutal, criminal US government. You are a true American if you close your eyes and reject all aspects of the true Spirit of '76. If you support Bush's unilateral word and semantics engineering abolishing the Geneva Conventions that were already in place that far back, you are a true American. Rejecting the Declaration of Independence itself is now a truly patriotic act - what sacrifice! Only one aspect of 1776 must be lovingly and faithfully embraced, for it is the very essence the Bush administration's vision. It is the origin of the Bush crime family's wealth, amassed by working with and for an even greater crime family: Rothschild. It was in 1776 that Meyer Rothschild uttered this famous call for Bush-defined patriotism: "Let me issue and control a nation's money, and I care not who writes its laws." So, if you reject the humanity of peace, and accept rather the inhumanity of both war and the torture of falsely-arrested innocent civilians and militarily disabled, captured prisoners of war, you are an American patriot. You reject our Nation's founding, its history, tradition, honor and morality, all of which served to set a standard for moral, just government around the world, then you are a Bush and GOP patriot. And you richly deserve the security and protection of the Bush crime family's trump of the Founding Fathers efforts - the USA PATRIOT Act. Considering the outrage that this gang of killers has unleashed in the world, how can any sane, thinking human being align themselves with either the Bush regime or today's "Republican Party?" I cannot accept it, so I am no longer a Republican. And I guess, that blows it for me as well in terms of being either an American or a patriot. And I'm sure this is precisely how the Bush gangsters see it. When one assesses just how far off the track this "Polar Express" has gone, then everything fits nicely into place. And since it is the contention of this writer, and a growing list of others, that there IS indeed a conspiracy working here, no matter what your damned definition of "is" is, we need to digress for a moment and consider it and its objective. The term "Illuminati," according to Collier's Encyclopedia, originated with the Ante-Nicene Church fathers to designate those Christians who accepted baptism. "They were called 'illuminati' or 'illuminated ones,' on the assumption that those who were instructed for baptism in the Apostolic faith had received the grace of illumination in an enlightened understanding. Clement of Alexandria speaks thus of such baptismal light: 'This is the one grace of illumination, that our characters are not the same as before our washing. And since knowledge springs up with illumination, shedding its beams around the mind, the moment we hear, we who were untaught become disciples. ... This work is called ... illumination by which that holy light of salvation is beheld, that is, by which we see God clearly.'" The referenced information from Collier's goes on: "Among the societies subsequently adopting the name 'illuminati' were the Alumbrados or Alombrados, a mystical sect existing in Spain from the early 16th century and appearing in France as the Guerinets during the period from 1623 to 1635. Later, the title 'illuminati' was adopted by a secret society founded by Adam Weishaupt, [Jewish] professor of canon law at Ingolstadt, on May 1, 1776, with the aim of combating religion and fostering rationalism." Of course, as you will recall, the Spanish sect was persecuted during that black time designated as the "Spanish Inquisition." Once again, the coincidental year of 1776 comes to the fore, the same year Rothschild made his notorious claim driving for monopolistic state banks in every nation, which he intended to control. Now citing as a reference, the Columbia Encyclopedia, we progress to an understanding how these seemingly isolated occurrences come together. After founding his secret society in Germany, Weishaupt, a professor at Ingolstadt, "having close affinities with the Freemasons and seemingly organized on a Masonic plan," the society had only limited success. The following concepts were offered by none other than Pat Robertson in his book, The New World Order, published in 1991. Robertson offers that Weishaupt's organization was supposed to work through the Freemasons, and in order to give his secret society financial momentum, he employed the power, influence and financial might of those rich Jewish bankers: the Rothschilds. Leonard Fein, commenting on the book in the Jewish news periodical based in New York City, Forward, in a March 10, 1995 article writes: "His [Weishaupt's] immediate purpose was to take over the Freemasons, and for that he depended on rich Jews. The Illuminated Freemasonry moved its headquarters to Frankfurt, which was controlled by the Rothschilds, and suddenly 'new money...poured into the Frankfurt lodge, and from there a well-funded plan for world revolution was carried forth.' Operating secretly in France and Germany, offspring 'revolutionary societies' commissioned the writing of the Communist Manifesto." Considering the many false flag operations conducted by Jews on behalf of Israel, and the millions of lives lost in all the wars America has been caught up in via Jewish influence, is it really so hard to imagine that an Illuminati, manifesting itself publicly through the Council on Foreign Relations, Tri-Lateral Commission and Bilderberg, and reaching all corners of the earth through the Communist-established International Monetary Fund, really exists? And if we view the real conspiracies of a Pearl Harbor of the 20th century, as well as the 9-11 Pearl Harbor of the 21st century, as well as the U.S.S. Liberty incident, just how many iceberg tips and smoking guns are really required for real inquiring minds? And now we have the Downing Street Memo, and the Air Force One Valerie Plame memo, and still no effective reporting and detailed analysis from the Zionist-controlled media? We're not talking about Adolf and his beer hall buddies here! There is more than mere coincidence and conjecture at work here - as FDR said, everything in politics doesn't just happen. So I now must sadly relate all these events to the unavoidable future. There are three things that the Jews will foist upon US before they leave US alone to go about their business of destroying America and its sovereignty to merge our military, private property and wealth into the UN. The Illuminati's plan will be to use Israel to destroy the US by an unending war with all of Islam. In this way, the two major obstacles, the people of the United States, and the people of Islam, will neutralize each other and become to weak to resist. True American patriots, those that remember the purpose of America's founding, also known as "the remnant," will be termed not only as unpatriotic, but as traitors to the cause [The New World Order]. Thus, any true American patriot must either be imprisoned or murdered by The State. Once Jews have served their purpose in putting the Illuminati's NWO in place, they will be summarily massacred in total, as they have demonstrated all throughout history that they turn on their own kind and cannot be trusted. As far as we-the-people are concerned, American government, as per direction from our Jewish rulers, must be encumbered by three distinct events: one) hate crimes legislation; two) total abolition of the Internet, the source of truth; three) a nuclear 9-11 "terrorist act" in order to institute the Rove-Cheney-Rumsfeld plan for martial law in America. Step One: "Hate crimes" legislation, which ultimately protects Jews and Israel from any and all criticism, MUST be enacted. Two Senatorial prostitutes have already been approached: Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum [R] and Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy [D]. Considering the anti-American legislation that has already sailed flawlessly through Congress, war powers for "Unser Fuehrer" and CAFTA, and the Supreme Soviets' "legislation" abolishing private property, hate crimes should be a no-brainer. Jews need this protection to silence the growing ranks of Americans who are finding out through the Internet just what's going on. Information technology is rapidly outpacing the Zionist media, and this is a real threat to Jews, their fascist/imperial police state of Israel, and to their international communism designs as well. Step Two: As previously pointed out, the Internet is a serious threat. But in order to quietly and rapidly abolish it, tax legislation must first be created to "regulate" websites, and to ensure Senator Hillary Clinton's vision of "responsible journalism" through licensed and State-authorized "gatekeepers." Step Three: A nuclear 9-11 is MANDATORY. How else can the Bush gangsters deploy the USA PATRIOT Act?! Of course, since the bothersome Internet through some of its more radical and unpatriotic websites, along with Scott Ritter and some guy named Hersh, interference via Internet predictions with "The Grimace's" plan to nuke Iran has already compromised the Bush criminals and deferred the execution of their quest in bringing nuclear democracy to the heathens in Iran and Syria. Considering this and the serious threats to world democracy, risking yet another sloppy 9-11 WTC/Pentagon hit, and then constrained by the resultant Downing Street-type Memos, the Valerie Plame mess, the bull---- has to stop! The Bush regime will really think this through. Perhaps the mechanisms have already been put in place. First, ignore Limbaugh and think conspiracy. Second, think of the massive nature of a false flag nuclear hit on America. Third, think of Israel and the Zionist Jews. Obviously, the best and so-proven false flaggers are the Israeli Mossad. They, along with the CIA, will need to smuggle the nuclear device across the USA to where it can be detonated. Second, it might be a problem to detonate it in either the Northeast, or the West Coast. Considering all that "Jewish Activity" immediately preceding 9-11, and then just think of the Jewish activity [Wall Street short sells, long and extended holidays for Jewish businesses and their employees, a massive Jewish exodus] that will precede this deadly hoax; these activities might constitute a tip-off! And of course, security is tight all over America, except! The border with Mexico! That's the only hole in the Bush regime's tightening grip on America! And the risk of trying to get a nuclear device through the country might tip off some real American patriots in the CIA and FBI - but dismissal by higher-ups loyal to Bush and Israel has been exposed for the conspiracy it was. This time around, some American public servants might just ignore their politician-appointed superiors. Looks like the Southwest United States is in for a nasty surprise! And no, it won't be Texas or anywhere near there. Looking at a map of the Southwest United States, where can a nuclear 9-11 best take place? I don't wish to frighten needlessly - that is not my intent here. But, when considering the unbelievable crimes committed so recently by our government upon all humanity, even the mass murders of our own people, just as was planned and executed on December 7, 1941, I am just sure these criminals and Israel intend to carry this out. The warning signs will be disruptive and well-publicized civil unrest between Mexican illegals and Americans - perhaps riots, lynchings, shootings, etc. Then, as usual, a pow-wow between international mass murderers Bush and Sharon. Then the big bang. Hopefully, this message will serve in the same vein as that of the Ritters, the Hershs and the LaRouches - perhaps this false flag horror can be delayed long enough to vote the entire GOP out of office, impeach Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Zakheim, and repeal the USA PATRIOT Act and Bush's suspension of the Geneva Conventions. We will need to make war reparations to Iraq. We will need to abolish AIPAC and the ADL. Then, and maybe only then, can we ask the world's forgiveness, and promise to return to those thrilling days of yesteryear and real American sovereignty and patriotism. © 2005 Ted Lang - All rights reserved Ted Lang is a political analyst and freelance writer
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#1. To: Zipporah (#0)
I feel a genuine sense of urgency to educate others in order to derail the big event. Anything less than a maximum effort may bite me in the butt. A casual attitude just seems to play into the scheme of our masters. My Master, the Lord, will not override our free will. Either we get the job done, with His guidance, or we live in slavery. Don't pray for His intervention, He wants us to show His glory through our actions. Pray for the personal strength needed to deal with the free will of others, who don't understand.
No offense meant, but at this point in time I view "The Lord" as being part and parcel of the whole cabal of evil that runs everything here on Earth. Sort of like the relationship between Ronald McDonald and the McDonald's corporation. Official mascot, team spokesman, public face, fictitous composite character created to promote a profitable image. That sort of thing. Yes, I do belive in God, but I simply do not, cannot and will not believe in any doctrine that comes from the Middle East. That region of the world has produced too many lies and too many skilled liars to be the source of "The One True Faith". I'd have to believe one could build skyscrapers out of cow dung.
"Then the big bang."
#2. To: wakeup (#1)
 | Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise. |
#3. To: *US is Proxy State For Israel* (#0)
ping!
The border with Mexico! That's the only hole in the Bush regime's tightening grip on America! And the risk of trying to get a nuclear device through the country might tip off some real American patriots in the CIA and FBI - but dismissal by higher-ups loyal to Bush and Israel has been exposed for the conspiracy it was. This time around, some American public servants might just ignore their politician-appointed superiors. Looks like the Southwest United States is in for a nasty surprise! And no, it won't be Texas or anywhere near there. Looking at a map of the Southwest United States, where can a nuclear 9-11 best take place?
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#4. To: wakeup (#1)
Well one thing for certain the only time there is true revival is when people are living under oppression. The scripture says that God doesnt put more on us than He knows we can tolerate. I think hes got me mixed up with someone else :P
"Every good Christian ought to kick [Jerry] Falwell right in the ass." ---Barry Goldwater
#5. To: Zipporah (#4)
He is talking about who you are becoming not, who you think you are. He is the Ultimate Optimist.
"I think He's got me mixed up with someone else.
#6. To: Zipporah (#0)
Here's my two cents. There are just too many wackos out there running things. I'm still not sure how these people got into power, or whose parents got them their jobs, but you know what, I'm getting to the point to where I'm starting to believe that Eugenics is the answer to the human problem. By taking away all of the defects that make us evil, we might actually improve the human condition. Reading the last paragraph of the article, tells me that the author is only treating the symptoms, and not the underlying problem. By getting rid of these front people, and front organizations, you're only taking down the storefront of a store with a veritably endless stock of evil. You want to destroy evil, go after the true faces of it. These are evil men and women who want to destroy humanity, and ensure their roles as oppressors and rulers. Once the people know that they don't need these pricks to be happy, prosperous, or to live in peace, why would we need them at all??? They guarantee their use, and their place in society by pitting one nation against another, and ensuring that millions die on their whims. You want change, get rid of the elites, and their brood, take away their power, and their wealth. Then you'll see real peace on earth.
 | So many morons, so few bullets. |
#7. To: Zipporah (#4)
Also, 12. The greatest affliction of the cosmos is never to have been afflicted. Mortals only learn wisdom by experiencing tribulation. "The scripture says that God doesnt put more on us than He knows we can tolerate."
#8. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#6)
Very likely. Have you noticed that all the people who crave power are the exact people who should never have it? IMO, we should seek out those who have no desire whatsoever to be in govt, and have them run it.
You want change, get rid of the elites, and their brood, take away their power, and their wealth. Then you'll see real peace on earth.
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#9. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#6)
Who defines wacko? Certainly not our leaders, they brought us the New World Order. Certainly not our neighbors, they brought us our leaders. Who would or could control whether your eugenics program is run by the "wackos out there?" I vote for an education program, not a breeding one.
"There are just too many wackos out there running things."
#10. To: robin (#8)
Shall we force them to run it, against their desire and free will? That would create the same tyranny we now oppose.
"...we should seek out those who have no desire whatsoever to be in govt, and have them run it."
#11. To: wakeup (#10)
That would create the same tyranny we now oppose. I realized that wasn't a good idea, so we'll just have to convince them ;)
Shall we force them to run it, against their desire and free will?
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#12. To: Elliott Jackalope (#2)
I sympathize with your view on this. But I don't agree. It is sad to me that this kind of language (open christian worship) causes offense. Because I like that kind of language. It allows me to express myself. I get a joy from doing so. That some are offended kind of baffles me. We should have freedom of speech.
No offense meant, but at this point in time I view "The Lord" as being part and parcel of the whole cabal of evil that runs everything here on Earth
#13. To: robin (#8)
I concur with you. I've often thought that if we made a long list of average ordinary republicans who are just party members and not in power, or likewise a list of average ordinary democrats - and then just randomly selected from among these people a thousand and used that thousand as the congress, the senate, all the white house people, the heads of our bureaucracies, etc. and just picked from among these people randomly and put them in positions of power - then things would be so much better. average ordinary people from anywhere in the political spectrum are not going to be evil like the way our leaders are. People can get an extreme lust for power & money, and when they run their lives based on that, and they put that razor-focus on money or power, then the evil takes over.
we should seek out those who have no desire whatsoever to be in govt, and have them run it.
#14. To: Red Jones (#12)
"It is sad to me that this kind of language (open christian worship) causes offense." No offense taken. "Because I like that kind of language. It allows me to express myself. I get a joy from doing so." Fine with me. Express yourself to your heart's content. I retain the right to disagree, that's all. "That some are offended kind of baffles me. We should have freedom of speech." Again, no offense taken. I agree we should have freedom of speech. You go Yahweh and I'll go mine...
| Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise. |
#15. To: Red Jones, wakeup (#13)
(I've said words like this outloud at company lunches about company management too.) Some say, the corruption takes place AFTER getting power: "Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely" Lord Acton I figure that's what watchdog groups are for. But, we should at least stop the ones who go into politics already corrupted.
People can get an extreme lust for power & money, and when they run their lives based on that, and they put that razor-focus on money or power, then the evil takes over.
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#16. To: Elliott Jackalope (#14)
pretty funny play on words.
You go Yahweh and I'll go mine...
#17. To: Red Jones, Elliott Jackalope (#16)
pretty funny play on words. Yes it is.
You go Yahweh and I'll go mine...
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#18. To: Zipporah (#0)
This is what I like best about this whole article - is that this guy is American and he understands how good our country really was.
Then, and maybe only then, can we ask the world's forgiveness, and promise to return to those thrilling days of yesteryear and real American sovereignty and patriotism.
#19. To: Elliott Jackalope (#2)
Where does your belief come from? I'm not looking for a fight. I am just curious.
"Yes, I do belive in God, but I simply do not, cannot and will not believe in any doctrine that comes from the Middle East."
#20. To: Red Jones (#18)
That nauseating song 'the Way We Were' came to mine LOL But on a serious note, I wonder if we'll ever return to what the founders did have in mind? Unless there's a total purge I see little hope really.
This is what I like best about this whole article - is that this guy is American and he understands how good our country really was.
"Every good Christian ought to kick [Jerry] Falwell right in the ass." ---Barry Goldwater
#21. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#6)
Well the problem is that men are basically bad not good so everyone would have to be eradicated. The problem are the as Ray McGovern calls them 'the crazies'. How did they get in power? Little by little. They've taken over everything that could stand in their way and taken every position of power all behind the scenes.
By taking away all of the defects that make us evil, we might actually improve the human condition. Reading the last paragraph of the article, tells me that the author is only treating the symptoms, and not the underlying problem. By getting rid of these front people, and front organizations, you're only taking down the storefront of a store with a veritably endless stock of evil.
"Every good Christian ought to kick [Jerry] Falwell right in the ass." ---Barry Goldwater
#22. To: wakeup (#19)
My belief in God is more accurately defined as "a belief in a larger reality than this one". I'm of the opinion that this reality is a sub-set of a greater reality. My opinion comes from years of thinking and study of the subject. I'd go more into detail but this isn't the thread for it. However, if you go to http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm and click on the "Stop" button (in about the middle of the page), you'll see a dissertation that covers some interesting ideas.
| Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise. |
#23. To: Zipporah (#20)
Zip, you know what I think, because you know I'm one of those apocalyptic type end-timers. Here's what I think. God appoints people who provide leadership in nations. I think the democracy ideology is a complete fraud. It was a nice idea, I supported it, but ithas been proven to be dysfunctional. But America was a great nation that I feel was the bloom of all mankind. The aspirations of the human beings were realized in what the American nation was at its best and its peak. Between 1700 and only in recent years the average american had a much higher standard of living than virtually all the other nations. We really were a very good people. The talk in the history books that says otherwise is garbage. But you know what the bible says, it says in this world it is evil that rules. That's where we get the term 'worldly'. So, I think god has allowed the evil ones to rule over us in these end-times. I think it is a grand demonstration of his power that he can make a nation like america first be great and good and then be taken by evil as it has been. So, you know I interpret the bible to believe that our nation will be completely destroyed, as in the 'abomination' where babylon is destroyed utterly and completely. But immediately afterwards god will come down, return of jesus, and he will begin building his kingdom here on earth, proceed with judgement of the people, etc. So, I don't think America will ever come back to what it was. But it will still be used in a key way to usher in the new era that is to come. This is a sort of a compliment to our people and our nation.
#24. To: Zipporah (#20)
Unless we homeschool our children and pray more.
"I wonder if we'll ever return to what the founders did have in mind? Unless there's a total purge I see little hope really."
#25. To: Elliott Jackalope (#22)
I like your "years of study and thinking of the subject" answer. I find it odd that most folks believe what Mom and Dad believe, about these things. Since the decision is so important, you would think a little shopping around would be prudent. What greater purpose is there for the evolved brain than to search for and seek out the Mind of God.
"My belief in God is more accurately defined as "a belief in a larger reality than this one."
#26. To: wakeup (#24)
Do you remember in Exodus 14: 15 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Why are you crying out to Me? Tell the sons of Israel to go forward. Could be that God wants us to act rather than cry out to Him. Now what the actions might be is where the prayer comes in IMO.
Unless we homeschool our children and pray more.
"Every good Christian ought to kick [Jerry] Falwell right in the ass." ---Barry Goldwater
#27. To: robin, Red, Jack (#17)
pretty funny play on words. Cleverness of the day award winner. Thanks for the grin.
You go Yahweh and I'll go mine...
#28. To: wakeup (#25)
I would happily settle for finding, knowing, and then doing, His Will for me - no way will I, in this life, or even the next, know His Mind. Cheers.
What greater purpose is there for the evolved brain than to search for and seek out the Mind of God.
#29. To: Red Jones (#23)
What does the Word of God say about what you call our misguided "strong dollar" policy? Personally, I don't see it. The dollar has weakened by about 40 percent over the last three years. If we were to devalue to the level you seem to suggest we'd have to start adding zeros to the end of everything in terms of pricing as they do in the banana republics when their currencies collapse. I am a Southern Baptist who has kicked himself out of the congregation as I do not consider myself sufficiently bloodthisty to be among the brethren anymore. I used to believe a lot of that Revelation stuff as the literal truth, but I am not so sure anymore. I do sense we are moving toward some sort of climax and I agree that America has passed the point of no return. This probably happened sometime during the 1970s. It's just taken a while to play out. I also now see the Cold War as having fatally damaged BOTH the Russian and U.S. empires. Theirs collapsed first, but our so-called "soft empire" of satellite states is now on the precipice as well. Others such as China and India are now in a position to pick up the pieces.
#30. To: Zipporah (#26)
Yep, that's the way I see it. I think crying out to Him has it's place... stumped toes, burned figures.
"Could be that God wants us to act rather than cry out to Him. Now what the actions might be is where the prayer comes in IMO."
#31. To: Sam Houston (#29)
You're not the only one...lots of us have bailed out on these kind of churches, although I still see Revelation as coming to pass, and pretty soon; from the looks of things.
I am a Southern Baptist who has kicked himself out of the congregation as I do not consider myself sufficiently bloodthisty to be among the brethren anymore.
#32. To: Sam Houston (#29)
Jesus was religious, he prayed and treated all like brothers and sisters. Then he died and someone started a church about Jesus, instead of following his good religious habits. "Some day a reformation in the Christian church may strike deep enough to get back to the unadulterated religious teachings of Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith. You may preach a religion about Jesus, but, perforce, you must live the religion of Jesus. In the enthusiasm of Pentecost, Peter unintentionally inaugurated a new religion, the religion of the risen and glorified Christ. The Apostle Paul later on transformed this new gospel into Christianity, a religion embodying his own theologic views and portraying his own personal experience with the Jesus of the Damascus road. The gospel of the kingdom is founded on the personal religious experience of the Jesus of Galilee; Christianity is founded almost exclusively on the personal religious experience of the Apostle Paul. Almost the whole of the New Testament is devoted, not to the portrayal of the significant and inspiring religious life of Jesus, but to a discussion of Paul's religious experience and to a portrayal of his personal religious convictions. The only notable exceptions to this statement, aside from certain parts of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, are the Book of Hebrews and the Epistle of James. Even Peter, in his writing, only once reverted to the personal religious life of his Master. The New Testament is a superb Christian document, but it is only meagerly Jesusonian." from the Urantia Book
"I am a Southern Baptist who has kicked himself out of the congregation as I do not consider myself sufficiently bloodthisty to be among the brethren anymore. I used to believe a lot of that Revelation stuff as the literal truth, but I am not so sure anymore."
#33. To: Sam Houston (#29)
Yes, and almost 2 billion people combined.
Others such as China and India are now in a position to pick up the pieces.
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#34. To: wakeup (#30)
I think crying out to Him has it's place... stumped toes, burned figures. Agreed. As Ive been told we are His hands etc. God will work through us if we let Him.
Yep, that's the way I see it.
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#35. To: Zipporah (#34)
This web site and others, seeking the truth, proves that point.
"God will work through us if we let Him."
#36. To: wakeup (#1)
Got chills reading that one. The sometimes evil curse of free will.
He wants us to show His glory through our actions.
#37. To: robin (#33)
Sam, thanks for that question about 'where in scripture'. I'm going to answer that one after this. India passed one billion people something like 3 years ago. I read it in the paper. China has well over a billion. I've read 1.5 billion, but it could be 1.3 or so, because you read different things at different times/places. Just figure 2.5 billion between the two. Sorry to ramble about 'strong-dollar', but here I go again. Both fix their currency artificially low to the dollar by a long ways with no real flexibility at all to float. In other words, they can export to us forever and we can't export to them. That's something like 40% of the whole world's population (I'm not sure, but something like that). And this is only one of several schemes the people who rule have for propping up the value of the dollar artificially. 25 years ago Chinese were working in the fields like mules. 300 years ago american farmers used mules to do what the chinese used people for in 1980. They also had starvation in China at that time due to lack of food. They were that poor. Then came the US to set trade policy first to let them export and protect domestic markets simultaneously. Then to trade with their currency fixed artificially low for the last 12 years. This has made them a superpower and drained industry out of the US. The Chinese are now more industrially capable than any nation on earth. In a WW2 style contest, they would definitely win. Now it's India's turn, as their currency has only been fixed like this for a couple years. In time they will prosper too. These two nations not only have massive population, but a history of working as peasants. The world elite have many intelligent strategies to suppress wages on a world-wide basis. When you force industry to the two nations historically most willing to work for low wages, then you bend the normal marketplace to drive wages down under what they'd otherwise be, on a world- wide basis. That's precisely what the 'strong dollar' policy does. And the currency fix policy with India / China is only one of 3 elements of this 'strong-dollar' policy. However, the people who rule have much power independent of 'industry'.
Yes, and almost 2 billion people combined.
#38. To: Sam Houston (#29)
that's a big question, but I'll try my best to answer that. Interpretations are different with different people. It's good to listen to interpretations, but they are interpretations. This is my interpretation. Below is some scripture. But there is much else over many books, revelation, daniel focus on it, but even other books mention it in passing and describe this city. that describes a city of babylon that rules and imports much. and arranges for the poor not to get paid just wages. and creates a situation where the poor much labor much for a very little. and the rich are un-affected by this. Where the beast that rules actually rises from the seas. The seas are mercantile law - 'the law of the seas' as the lawyers would say. Where does the new world order come from? It comes from corporations seeking to rule for the sake of mercantile reasons. It comes from the law of the seas. The beast has risen from there. Rev 13:1 But below is the key section that set me off thinking this way. The key verse says 'costliness' - Rev 18:19 below, but I included the whole chapter 18 because the whole thing describes the new world order ruling over us IMHO. Look at their big scheme - the strong-dollar policy. That is why things are costly in america. Because our currency is artificially valuable to all others. We don't have to trade for our goods, we just import and pay dollars. No other nation is like that you know. Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong [is] the Lord God who judgeth her. Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: Rev 18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, Rev 18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. Rev 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. Rev 18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, Rev 18:16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! Rev 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, Rev 18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What [city is] like unto this great city! Rev 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, [thou] heaven, and [ye] holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast [it] into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft [he be], shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. The strong-dollar policy really does drive wages down all over the world under what they'd otherwise be. But the American people are harmed by this policy as I've said over and over. Only a few rich actually benefit from the strong- dollar policy. See in the above verses. Read verse 3. It seems 'fornication' is a tool of those who rule. It seems that hollywood puts out a poison culture. It's a fact. Every nation that gets exposed to it - within 25 years they start having violent crime occur in their country, especially crazy murders. Hollywood is a propaganda element of the beast that rules us. Look how they shove their values down us. and look what those values are. and read verse 3. But as I said there is much else in the bible that paints a picture of end- times 'babylon'. And it is interpretation.
What does the Word of God say about what you call our misguided "strong dollar" policy?
#39. To: Red Jones (#12)
We do. You are welcome to make your comments and others are welcome to ridicule them mercilessly. It cuts both ways. Either you let everyone have their say or you are in favor of censorship. There is no middle ground.
We should have freedom of speech.
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