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Title: Anti-Obama Taxpayer Tea Parties steeped in insanity
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URL Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion ... pr15,0,2784720.story?track=rss
Published: Apr 15, 2009
Author: Marc Cooper
Post Date: 2009-04-15 08:39:28 by Refinersfire
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Comments: 135
he Web is buzzing with information about how to throw an anti-Obama Taxpayer Tea Party, something organizers hope will be held today from Santa Monica to South Carolina. But no need to burn up your bandwidth reading complicated instructions. Here's a simpler recipe: Go to a hobby store. Buy a scale model of a U.N. One-World-Government Black Helicopter and a tube of glue. Toss the model kit. Sniff the entire tube of glue. You're all set for the party. I can recall only a few outbreaks of such collective insanity as these tea parties in recent years. There was that time in the mid-1990s when a $19.95 video proving Bill Clinton was some sort of serial killer went viral. And then, a few years back, there was that chilling, televised midnight seance from the floor of the U.S. Congress aimed at reviving the long-brain-dead Terri Schiavo. And now this. Whip out your Lipton and don your tinfoil hat and join the protest against ... against ... against what exactly? The original Boston Tea Party was caffeinated by a very simple injustice: American Colonists refused to be taxed by a government that lacked any popular representation. That was remedied a few years later in a heroic struggle that stretched from Concord to Yorktown. So, if you'll excuse the mixed metaphor, what's the beef behind today's protests? The Obama administration is cutting taxes for all except the very richest of Americans. Reduced withholding is already showing up in millions of paychecks. Then again, this rash of tea parties is being organized not only by the pseudo-journalists at Fox News (with Glenn Beck, Neil Cavuto and Sean Hannity actively stoking the flames) but also by FreedomWorks, a conservative lobbying outfit headed by former House Majority Leader Dick Armey. I suppose it was Armey's constitutional if morally dubious privilege to have built an entire political career out of defending the wealthy. But are common folks actually going to dump Earl Grey into Santa Monica Bay because they are outraged, simply infuriated, by the marginal tax rate rising 3% for millionaires? Or maybe they'll do it for some other reason. The FreedomWorks site says the Tea Party movement began in reaction to President Obama's corporate bailouts and ensuing yawning budget deficits. These same conservatives, however, were mum when George W. Bush erased our budget surplus and put us deep in the red by drunken spending on a pointless war in Iraq and by, yes, granting massive tax rollbacks for the loaded country clubbers who fund the GOP (and Armey's FreedomWorks). Another bothersome detail: The bailouts were also initiated by Bush. Nobody I know is very pleased with the billions ladled out to teetering banks and corporations. Yet a clear majority of Americans are sophisticated enough to know that these bailouts are a necessary evil and are intended -- unlike the lollipop Bush tax cuts -- not for personal profit but rather as a radical, emergency measure to help Americans keep their jobs, their homes and their retirement. And while way too many otherwise sane Republicans are actively pandering to the tea-bag battalions, some old-fashioned conservatives are calling out the Teabaggers for their silliness. Writing in Fortune magazine, conservative policy analyst Bruce Bartlett, who has a long anti-tax history, says: "The irony of these protests is that federal revenues as a share of the gross domestic product will be lower this year than any year since 1950. ... The truth is that the U.S. is a relatively low-tax country no matter how you slice the data." The Tea Party movement, more than anything else, is a rather garish display of a Republican right that seems to have lost not only the national elections but also any semblance of political bearings. Staying on this course, the GOP risks -- in the words of one pundit -- becoming "the Talk Radio Republican Party." Better put that kettle on, Marge. It's going to be a long and bizarre four years. Marc Cooper is director of Annenberg Digital News at the Annenberg School for Communication at USC.
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Wasn't the Obamasiah on the board of directors of this commie outfit?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. (1995-1999) Barack Obama spent as founding chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge
I thought that he had ties to that outfit. That was one of the most idiotic articles I have read in a while. But then, when people try to defend the indefensible (Obama) and claim that the commie they are for is much better than his ideological twin who has a different letter after his name, that is about all you can expect.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. CNN is almost as bad this AM.. can't wait to see how the rest of the MSM handle this issue..
I could only read the first two sentences. It's no wonder the nation's newspapers are all going belly up. And likewise, it's obvious that the timing of the DHS militia-anti-government swill of yesterday was an effort to tamp down dissent. Lets see if the big, bad, scary government didn't step in crap. Tea please!
Holy crap, that's the most acute case of Kool-Aid overdose I've ever encountered.
Good catch James. The corporatemediacomplex has become a mouthpiece for the radical left.
Do you know that there is a Tea Party near you today? It is near the post office on S. Fraser Street between 4 and 7pm.. I may head over..
That sums it up nicely.. :-)
They have been for a long time. It's just more "in your face" now than it was at one time. At least that is how it appears to me.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I had no idea. Let me know if you're going.
I should know by 1-2 pm, as I haven't slept yet, had some lessons to do for my son's home schooling..
Gotcha. You have a PM.
Show up at his Atlanta tea party and stand directly in front of the stage with this poster: STOP ALL FOREIGN AID SPENDING FIRST -- ESPECIALLY TO ISRAEL!!!
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
The article is accurate. These tea parties are being planned, and attended by people who voted for Bush, supported Bush until the very end, then voted John McCain. These people would glady vote McCain, and if McCain was president and had the same policies in place they wouldn't be protesting. This conservative movement isn't fed up with tyranny, they are pissed they lost. Adopting thier cause is folly. They are just not serious.
Bush and the Republicans started this bailout/stimulus crap!!
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
I don't speak for anyone but myself but I doubt that ALL the people who are pissed off voted for McLame. I have been pissed off at the establishment and its whores for years (and that includes Bush and Obama) so I think it must be possible that some of these other folks must be too. I don't believe the article is accurate, think it is just bs propaganda for the Obamasiah.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You are absolutely right. I never knew what the obscene slang term "teabagging" meant until it began to be used in reference to this event. It's somehow appropriate in that this practice in its obscene form apparently originated at fraternity houses. This is the typical profile of the country club Republicans in adolescent form and these are the types who rally 'round Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. These are not conservatives. These are more often white-collar criminals a la the Bush Crime Family who are not opposed to big government until they find they no longer are able to loot it for no-bid contracts.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
+1
I don't speak for anyone but myself but I doubt that ALL the people who are pissed off voted for McLame. I have been pissed off at the establishment and its whores for years (and that includes Bush and Obama) so I think it must be possible that some of these other folks must be too. Of course some of the attendies aren't republicans but almost all will be. This tea bagger movement is stunt organized by republicans. This is undeniable. Do you really think Glen Beck and Shawn Hannity suddenly saw the light? No fucking way. This movement is an attempt to breed raw anger, and use it to elect republicans who will turn around and do the same shit they've always done. At this point there is no fucking excuse for being tricked into getting back into the republican fold. To quote Bush, "Fool Me Once, Won't Get Fooled Again."
Why are they any worse than the white-collar criminals who have the D after their name? Shouldn't we condemn ALL the crooked politicians or should we just be selective and hypocritical and bad mouth the ones who have the letter after their names that we don't like?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I don't speak for anyone but myself but I doubt that ALL the people who are pissed off voted for McLame. I have been pissed off at the establishment and its whores for years (and that includes Bush and Obama) so I think it must be possible that some of these other folks must be too. I don't believe the article is accurate, think it is just bs propaganda for the Obamasiah. Thats the point. Now they've got you involved in republican organizations. Congrats. I'm sure a bunch of ya'll will vote for whoever Bush III is in 2016. Because "we can't have another Obama."
None of them--including the Obamasiah--have fooled me. I didn't vote for either of the Bush's, nor for Clinton, nor for the Obamasiah. I just don't much care for any establishment whore. I applaud any protest against the government and don't give a rat's @$$ who is protesting. The more the better. And no, that doesn't mean I think Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck have suddenly seen the light and become true patriots.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Your post(s) prove that you have severe reading comprehension problems. Very severe. Seek help while there is yet time.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Sounds like today.
Thank you my friend.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. LOL... try again.. I don't vote out of fear.. never have, never will..
You are more then welcome..
They are stealing real anger and using it to elect republicans. You shouldn't applaud that.
Yes, it does.. :-)
Your post(s) prove that you have severe reading comprehension problems. Very severe. Seek help while there is yet time. Almost everyone at these rallys will vote republican next election no matter who the republican is. We both know it.
So we should elect Democrats instead?.. see how that works both ways.. As for me, I'll vote for the Best Man/Woman for the job at hand.. no more, no less..
You just don't get it do you.. right here on this thread, you have two posters that will do no such thing, yet you continue to post your thoughts, that those like James and I (and many others), will.. (insert head slapping smiley here)
From an article Christine just posted a few minutes ago: Likewise, I spoke to an organizer for the Knoxville tea party who said that no "professional politicians" were going to be allowed to speak, and he made a big point of saying that the protest wasn't an anti-Obama protest, it was an anti-establishment protest. I've heard similar things from tea-party organizers in other cities, too. Though critics will probably try to write the tea parties off as partisan publicity stunts, they're really a post-partisan expression of outrage. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I am afraid his dislike of Bush or his love of the Obamasiah has done drove the boy over the edge. It seems that simple English is beyond him these days. Sad business that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I'm going and I haven't voted R since '88.
You just don't get it do you.. right here on this thread, you have two posters that will do no such thing, yet you continue to post your thoughts, that those like James and I (and many others), will.. (insert head slapping smiley here) You don't possibly think the 4um is representive of the tea bag movement do you? The number of tea baggers who watch Glen Beck, and Rush dwarf the people like you.
This began with Rick Santelli on CNBC, not Beck.
When Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele asked to speak at the Chicago tea party, his request was politely refused by the organizers: "With regards to stage time, we respectfully must inform Chairman Steele that RNC officials are welcome to participate in the rally itself, but we prefer to limit stage time to those who are not elected officials, both in Government as well as political parties. This is an opportunity for Americans to speak, and elected officials to listen, not the other way around." I posted it again in case you missed it the first time. And it seems you did.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You aren't the average tea bagger. You were pissed about these issues years ago. The tea baggers only got pissed when the democrats took power. You are wasting your time. These protests are sponsored by the republican party, and promoted by Fox News.
The recent history of this country records that for most of the past 28 years, the "R"s have been in control of at least two of the three branches of the federal government and have been responsible therefore for a series of failed imperial wars and the massive looting of the Treasury which has ensued therefrom. The GOPers began to worship war and militarism under Reagan and then Darth and the Chimp kicked it up several notches higher until now we are collapsing into a Third World hellhole. There was a critical period of time after the end of the Cold War when the U.S. should have converted to a civilian goods-producing economy. For whatever reason, even Clinton could not force the MIC to demobilize, even if he had wanted them to. Thus, we are screwed and have no future, other than to fire off the nukes (which Darth Cheney very badly wanted to do and nearly succeeded on Aug. 30, 2007).
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
This began with Rick Santelli on CNBC, not Beck. They are being organized by Dick Army's lobby groups. http:// thinkprogress.org/2009/04...bying-clients-teaparties/
there were more wars started under D admins. then when Rs were the majority, the Ds in congress voted for these wars too. it's been a joint effort/agenda. members of both parties do the bidding of their banker masters.
And my history through ALL of that 28 years (and more) is that I don't vote for establishment whores no matter which letter they tag on to their name. It seems that some folks are very selective in which members of the gang they choose to despise. Now that the Obamasiah and the D's are in control do you see ANY difference? Have they ended even one war or conflict or whatever the popular buzzword is? Have they stopped pissing away other people's money? No? I didn't think so.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Everyone who is going to these protests, ask your fellow protestors their feelings on the war on terrorism, the drug war, the government spying on people it says are terrorists, the ability of the government to censor immoral media, etc etc. We all know what you'll find. These people hate liberty as much as they did in Oct 2008. They are just out of power.
It's all one party with different members of the gang fighting over the figurehead position. Whichever one wins is nothing more than the puppet of the real masters behind the curtain and no matter which one wins, America loses.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. If I sense the Rs are in front of the event I'm going to, I'll leave and let you know.
And the sad thing for you is that your D's are no better than those R's you despise so much. You still haven't snapped to the fact that Obama is just as much owned as Bush is. Maybe it will dawn on you one of these days.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The executive branch, since it usurped all power and gradually morphed into a presidential dictatorship (post-National Security Act of 1947), starts all the wars. Since Reagan took office, all the interventions/wars have been committed by GOPer bankster puppets except for Haiti and former Yugoslavia. It will be clear in the history books that the U.S. militarism of the past several decades, from whatever source derived, is what destroyed it. There's literally no "foundation" on which to stand anymore. The Pentagon and related MIC entities were the metastasizing cancer that destroyed the economic body of this country. There's no way back from terminal cancer.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
I don't vote at all. I finally realized the futility of it all. I don't even know why I still read and post here. It's just a habit. Obama has been in there about 90 days. I know it seems longer to you. So far he has not started any new wars, just followed up on the old ones. And, in fairness to him, he is doing more or less what he said he would do in the campaign. The Pentagon and its many tentacles inside and outside the federal government will MURDER any President who really tries to stop the imperial state. But what's going to surprise them is the rapidity at which it collapses when the financing dries up. Then they and their militarized law enforcement arms all across the country will go door-to-door looting us of whatever we have left, I suppose.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
And the sad thing for you is that your D's are no better than those R's you despise so much. You still haven't snapped to the fact that Obama is just as much owned as Bush is. Maybe it will dawn on you one of these days. I'm not a democrat. In fact I actually voted Republican in 2008 for Senate and House because I wanted balance since I knew Obama would win. I didn't vote for President because none of the candidates (third parties included) were worth pushing a button for.
But he will just as soon as those who pull his strings tell him to. Obama is worthless, just as much as the Bush's and Clinton's.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Well, you do sound an awful lot like someone who hates the R's with a blinding passion and haven't figured out that they are just about all on the same team. And part of the time it seems you are pretty defensive about Obama. If it weren't for just a very few exceptions you could count all the decent folks in national politics on the fingers of a duck.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Well, you do sound an awful lot like someone who hates the R's with a blinding passion and haven't figured out that they are just about all on the same team I do hate the R's. Mostly because I used to think they were better. I've never expected democrats to do anything. The democrats are pretty open about their love for a moderate welfare state. In fact when they govern they are more moderate than their rhetoric. The republicans on the other hand claim liberty and patriotism as their goal, but actively work against those goals the minute they get any power. Also the anti-intellectualism from the right is disgusting. Most conservatives idealize stupidity (see the Bush and Palin phenomenon). Conservatives aren't just wrong, they don't want to be right.
And their backdoor funding of abortion while claiming they were against it is a prime example.
Whatever. One of these days you will figure out that there isn't a dime's worth of difference. George Wallace had that figured out a long time ago and so did a lot of the rest of us.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I'm still chewing on this one but several elements stand out. First the so-called leaders of the opposition are all soldiers in the true opposition's, the Bankster Cartel, army of quislings. Since we know that the media, and most politicians, are under firm control we can first, as a working hypothesis, assume that the entire "Tea Party" scam has a hidden motive. Lets look at the players: Glenn Dreck: Trained in Israel as a disinformation broadcaster and then promoted to national prominence. Dick, I'm not Guilty, Armey: Again, another "made man" Sean Vannity: A member of "The Order of the Golden Kool-Aid Cup". Unabashed defender of torture and State Terrorism. Neil, wannabe, Cavuto: Working his way to prominence as a pasty faced pallid porcine mouthpiece for the Plutocracy. (He reminds me most of Peter Lorre.) And then the author of this effervescent delight of disinformation a Hatchet Man for the Annenberg Disinformation and Social Control Project which spawned Oh'Bummer. Since an attack from the left is guaranteed to not have any influence on people inclined to join in the "Tea Party" there has to be another objective to the piece. Certainly no consideration should be given to any thought than that this piece was anything other than intentionally planted. So, it has a PsyOp/PR purpose behind it. Of course the use of the references to Black Helicopters (which do exist but you are not allowed to say that or the mind controlled will withdraw in horror from the apostate), tin foil hats, etc., is intended to play to the prejudices and conditioning of the mind controlled. The other point would seem to be to associate further the planted concept that opposition to the Banker Take-over is something only done by RIGHT WING wackos and anyone on the left is associating with the enemy in supporting these "Tea Parties". Thus we create a left wing opposition to resistance to the corruption and massive theft represented by Obama and his Banker Masters. So, the piece is definitely working on the psychology of mass perception. This may be a piece in a larger operation aimed at defanging those who are beginning to wake up and resist. By controlling the opposition, creating a false left/right perception your divert and blunt opposition. "If you oppose the Obama led thefts "you're just a filthy right winger who wants our Noble First Black pResident to fail." This then helps to drive a wedge between people to continue the false paradigm that there is a true left and right that are not controlled opposition to each other. A psychological false choice. The one thing the Plutocracy of Banksters fears most is an uncontrolled mass awakening across, and bridging, the political spectrum. Their control, at this point, rests upon psychological manipulation and control. Their Psychiatrists are working overtime to further develop programs - witness the introduction of another element of the cradle to grave system being built - the bill to have ALL new Mothers receive a Psych evaluation. Their PsyOp programs are aimed at controlling and gelding the resistance to their take over and to create a society of compliant slaves who enforce the control regime upon each other. So, with growing restiveness and opposition they put forth a false opposition to lead and channel the discontent. You can see the proof of mass perception management by observing how people who get virtually all of their news programming from the major media react - they have a set of reactions and attitudes which prevents them from looking, thinking, and observing the reality around them. Their responses are what they have been told is the case and that any other thought is simply a (shudddddder, flinnnnnnnnch) conspiracy theory. Never mind that history is filled with conspiracies and that elite rule is always run in the back room and that is, by definition, a conspiracy. Here is one of the more interesting snippets of the piece which reveals its purpose as a control piece: Notice the tactics: First, you are "sophisticated" if you know the bail-outs are necessary. (No, you're mind controlled schmuck if you think the "bail-outs" are anything other than a massive stick-up.) No evidence or reasoning is provided to support this but the reader is complimented for believing in the approved thought and the concept is sold by an appeal to vannity and impressed by authority. Too many people it would appear, are becoming aware, that the "bail out" is more properly described as theft and the looting of the American Treasury and the subjugation of its people to decades of crushing debt to support corrupt Banking Plutocrats who have engineered this "collapse". You need to lie down and spread'em because it is an unpleasant necessity. Again another word included to mold perception which can be included as a KEY word: Says who? Certainly nothing is presented to make that case - it is just presented as a PsyOp line to reinforce by assumption and authority everybody knows it's necessary. We do? We know it is necessary to pay off and support corrupt banks that behaved irresponsibly? Now we need to reward them for their corruption because it is "necessary"? And the other point of this key paragraph is to disparage tax cuts as "lollipop tax cuts" because we all know that the way to prosperity is to raise taxes and give all the money to the corrupt banksters. This paragraph, I think, gives us the whole key point of the manipulation intended by this "piece" - to keep the sheeple on the reservation and not question what your "betters" are doing with your money. Just shut up and give us all your money - slaves. One last postscript: The key in understanding what is going on in a Psych piece like this is to identify the concept that is being sold - the main manipulation and point of the piece. Often it will occur in the first or second paragraph but just as often, as in this piece, it will have a "set-up" to prepare the reader to unthinkingly accept the point that is being implanted.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Excellent analysis. Check out the big brain on OI! And, this video is pretty solid evidence of the intent to manipulate the masses. Check out their reactions to the babe:
Thanks.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I can see his point - although I'm trying not to.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Exactly. And another thing--in reply to any who would whine about others wanting the "first black president to fail," I say that I want him to fail, not because he is black but because he is a freakin' communist! I would want him to fail if he was as white as snow.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The issue of color and race is another diversion and PsyOp. The race card is played as a disinformation tactic to avoid discussing the specifics - the actual issues. It is a way to brand opponents as I care not one whit what race he is, if he were a Frederick Douglas (which he most definitely is NOT), I would admire him as great leader, but that is not the case. He is a teleprompter trained droid to deliver the PsyOp control messages while the country is looted and its people enslaved. He is the exact opposite of a Frederick Douglas who was a great orator and desired freedom and prosperity for all.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Yes, of course. It is easier for them to brand you a racist than to actually have to think about something. To such people thinking is painful and they don't want to engage in it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Do you have a blog? Though I occasionally disagree, you always have a well thought out, reasoned analysis.
Thanks. No, I don't have a blog. I have thought of it but my schedule is sometimes erratic so I haven't wanted to take on maintaining one.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Incorrect.. There was Both D and R members, along with Indys and members of the Constitution Party there today. And all were in agreement, that this WAS NOT about a party, but WAS ABOUT being an American and taking back OUR GOVERNMENT! p.s. It was an Honor to talk to Christine on the phone today and to meet JT.. he is def a asset to this site and IRL :-) p.s.s I counted over 250 people for a Tea Party that was only put together, in the last 3-4 weeks with little notice.. It was a GREAT Time by all and for all..
Indeed :-(
thank you, RF, for the kind words and your report. you also are a fine man and asset to this site. do you know there are 20k tea partiers in Atlanta?
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
We all know what you'll find. These people hate liberty as much as they did in Oct 2008. They are just out of power. I did just that.. and I am VERY happy to report, that everyone I spoke to, had an opinion on each and every subjest, and were very well versed on each subject. It did my heart good to see so many folks, taking their Citizenship so much to heart. Thanks for posting the idea to do so. :-)
You are more then Welcome and no, I did not.. as I just got home.. will watch the news in a bit.. N E E D to eat...LOLOL
That sounds great.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. While I agree with you, I am like the Good Capitan, I will man the deck till she goes under.. fighting the whole damn time.. as I will not face my sons and say, "oh, I didn't care enough to leave the world better for you"
Back at ya' Refinersfire. You and your two boys bring a fire and a passion to this budding movement that I haven't seen since Perot took off in '92. Today I felt we're at the very beginning of our last stand, and I'll be proud and ready to stand with you. And more are coming, I can feel it. PS: Refinersfire was interviewed by a university station and it will be aired this Friday on local TV. I'll TiVo it and ask my son load it on VHS and from there - hopefully - to YouTube.
It really was.. if you did not leave there, with a spring in your step, you were dead.. It was a bunch of Americans, proudly saying just that, standing for a just cause.. God Save and Bless America!!!!!
Looking forward to it.
And the PBA was an example of this.. read the second part of this "Law" and pay close attention to the "Sense of Congress".. it was one of the many reasons Santorum lost his seat
Please keep in mind, I always feel I do better behind the curtain.. Tho my oldest told me, between that Interview and Speech I gave later, he thought I should be in DC..
DAMN! were you get them brains at? I want a set like that.. ;-) Good Job...
That would be great.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I've never heard that Dreck was trained in Israel...but don't doubt it. Can you give a little more detail on that?
But these same sophisticates can't see they're played like a Stratavarius by the left/right ... conservative/liberal string pulling mullets in DC ... gimme a freaking break !
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
Possibly a slight overstatement, but during the short time his radio program was in my market he spent a week broadcasting his show from Israel. Given that he is a shameless apologist for Israel I am actually just assuming. However, he is someone's "asset" of that I am sure.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Thank you for the kind words worthy sir. I had no way of doing an accurate count, but the Portland Tea Party was minimally 500 people and possibly more. The Pioneer Courthouse Square in downtown Portland was elbow to elbow, and it pretty much takes up an entire block. "I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
This is exactly right, just as a few years ago when i contended that the 'anti illegal immigration' movement that got so much play in the mainstream media was then led by the likes of tancredo and gilcrest, who i believe were sincere in their single issue, yet were both zionists and supporters of the GOP led police and surveillance state, and real id act, etc. this allowed people to 'vent' about 'illegals' and the 'gov't'. This actually served as a very effective pressure release valve at the time, yet still allowed most of the same people to slather over fag bush and his empirical nonsense wars. it's just so ridiculous. today i listened to hannity and his hourly intro says, paraphasing, we've been taken over by radical left, your taxes are about to go sky high,... stand up for our military. thus equating anti taxation with blind ''support of troops''. it's just mindless garbage, all of it.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. this allowed people to 'vent' about 'illegals' and the 'gov't'. This actually served as a very effective pressure release valve at the time, yet still allowed most of the same people to slather over fag bush and his empirical nonsense wars. it's just so ridiculous. That's pretty much where I wound up in my thinking. They're channeling the outrage and the slave revolt trying to control and direct it into harmless and ineffective activity in the hopes the it will be spent in unproductive ways. However, I think we've moved beyond that point where this kind of a diversion will work. That is what "Pills" Limburger's function is - to make people feel like they're involved by listening to him pontificate and seed disinformation for 3 hours a day. Limbuggerer's audience is firmly under control doing nothing, but it is also dwindling. However, it was heartening to see so many people turn out and I did see at least one 911 sign. I think the event did end up creating a certain amount of energy.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
the message of 911 truth is something that is so radical and jolting that any real revolutionary will not pass the opportunity by. as far as the tax stuff, one thing that bothers me about russo's film is that he conveniently omits several facts of those profiled who are in prison, or settled, such as kuglin, who beat some counts but settled and paid a lot of money. and why doesnt anyone mention shiela jackson lee who is rotting in prison along with dick simkanin, schiff, and so many others? the govt dont give a damn about someone missing work to march with a sign. stop paying and they will care, which, i dont even suggest people do, but i admire those who do it. most people will not though, because they have too much to lose. This issue is going nowhere; the 'fed' will never end. let's talk about real issues and wake the public up about the literal satanist murderers running the government who sacrifice innocent people regularly. and if someone such as all the hannity listeners at these tax rallies is too weak minded to address these truths then they are no revolutiuonary. Just my two cents.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. There is a big difference. They both still suck ass. But to say there isn't a dimes worth of difference is well stupid. We are suffering now because people think a candidate has to be perfect. Less evil is less evil. God said there is evil in all of us. So there will always be evil in our candidates. Take Ron Paul for example. The guy is right on so many issues but stupid on a few. He doesn't support constitutional amendment banning murdering one class of citizen. He doesn't oppose same sex marriage through constitutional amendment. He is for legalizing all drugs. Those are stupid positions. But he is still better then most of the competition.
I've never heard that one. A link would be nice. Thanks.
So what? What can you find in the Constitution that gives the government any authority to ban any drugs? It is your opinion that Ron's position is stupid but many people share that opinion. So do I. And it doesn't bother me if someone calls it stupid.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That's your opinion. I have a different opinion.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Shouldn't Annenberg be torpedoed and every one of their Traitors in ameriKa hung by the neck until they are dead ??
Partisan toe suckers are not capable of seeing the whole picture.
http://bluegrassfool.blogspot.com/2007/12/shirley-q-liquor-12-days-of-kwanzaa.html
Yeah, it's sad to me. I knew as far back as the early 70's that most politicians were working hand in hand and that, for the most part, their "game" is a good bit like professional wrestling. You know how they bad mouth their "opponents" but all drink together and ride together between "matches"? Same kinda deal with politicians. All that shuckin' and jivin' is just a show for the rubes and the gullible. Sound and fury signifying nothing.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I am listening to Alex Jones and he seems to have come to the same conclusion we reached yesterday - that the attempt here is to polarize things and to set up the Tea Parties as scary, scary, shudder, right wing race haters and "hisssssssss" Obama haters. It is being spun as something totally different than what happened. I don't watch TV so I didn't see it but I guess the media is going into a frenzy to distort and mischaracterize the types of people and their motivations at the Tea Parties. The other play seems to be to build up the left-right poles so as to prevent a convergence of interests. There are areas of agreement such as the fact that we are being robbed blind, BUT the media circus wants to create a divide to keep us from uniting on our common interests against a corrupt government. I think that the Master Class is getting a bit nervous as their are too many upwelling currents of awareness and discontent. To some degree this is chaos theory in action - sensitive dependence on initial conditions i.e., the pot is beginning to boil and they're trying to keep the lid on the building pressure. When an in-equilibrium system reaches a "tipping point" where is has diverged far enough from the equilibrium point it can behave unpredictably in its attempt to establish a new equilibrium point. What the push seems to be with the media, and all of the other perception management tools at the disposal of the Psych Warfare Team assaulting us with their salacious advances, seems to be trying to do is to blunt the spontaneous outburst coming from the non-equilibrium society in which we now live. In simple terms I think they are genuinely afraid of a crowd of "Peasants with Pitchforks" showing up on their doorstep. So, the "Tea Parties" and the way they are being spun is an attempt to drive in a wedge to keep the "left-right" false paradigm in operation and to prevent people who have associated with one or the other from waking up to how they are being played for fools. Oh, and "Whino" your play has been diagnosed and you have identified yourself as the replacement for the now discredited "Whore". Stay Tuned.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Oops! Forgot to include you on the ping list.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Ping.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Whenever I need a jolt of reality I conjure up an image of Mary Matalin married to James Carville. That to me is our political system in a nutshell.
Thanks for the ping. I think you pretty much nailed it. The msm will slobber all over themselves talking about the "Obama haters." And some of them may even believe it. I feel the same way about Obama that I did about Bush and I didn't "hate" him. I don't hate anyone but I hate the actions of some people. I look at people like Bush and Obama pretty much as I would look at a puppet because I know someone is pulling their strings. They're just the public face doing the bidding of the bankers who own them.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. James Carville and nutshell--great post. He looks like Gollum. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. my apologies for getting her name wrong,. i dont know why i had some democratic bitch mixed up with her. her name is not shilea jackson lee, it is sherri peel jackson. http://www.sherrypeeljackson.com/ http://www.realtruth.biz/Republic%20Magazine/Republic-Magazine5.pdf she is a black Christian woman who was an IRS agent for years and studied the issue, and her conscience ddictated that she expose the irs fraud and she stoopped filing. it's a crap shoot, and some win and some lose. she lost and was prosecuted for not filing for , i believe it was 4 years. she got one year for each charge and is spending, if i recall correctly, 4 yrs in prison. her husband has been interviewed also on radio shows. i wonder how she is now.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. Please give me a warning when you do that...I just spewed tea all over my screen and keyboard...
It's not an "in-equilibrium" system and hasn't been. where is has diverged far enough from the equilibrium point it can behave unpredictably in its attempt to establish a new equilibrium point. It will behave quite predictably...there will either be revolt or suppression...government has one role...conflict resolution...
BTW, Alex Jones posts here, IMHO...either that or someone very close to him does...too many coincidences...
Vernice Kuglin petitioned the tax court (on the advice of a system pimp lawyer before she hired Larry Becraft) so, after she won in the criminal trial she was pulled "into the looking glass" of the jurisdiction of the administrative tax court manned by former IRS agents and raked over the coals. That's the catch you see, because the "taxpayer" must petition the court for a hearing so the jurisdiction question is automatically resolved and then it's just a matter of former agents deciding "how much you owe". Had she not made this mistake she'd have been as free as a bird because the only way to pursue her civilly would have been to sue her on level ground after she had won in criminal court, and she could have counter sued and demanded a jury trial which is also denied those who go to "tax court". And, Irwin Schiff was ordered by a Las Vegas federal judge not to publish his books or to speak words that offend the ears of federal defenders of the god-cursed income tax! The fact is that the govt could not legally dispute his arguments except with the decisions of judges who essentially said, "Never mind the supreme court, Title 26 or any other sources, I SAY YOU ARE REQUIRED TO FILE TAX RETURNS!" So, to suggest that Schiff's imprisonment is evidence of flaws in his logic, research and legal arguments makes no more sense than to suggest that Ezra Pound was institutionalized for 13 years because he was actually insane, rather than a political prisoner who could not be intimidated or silenced any other way. I submit that the reason that Irwin Schiff is repeatedly struck by "federal lightning" and the constitution must be suspended for the duration of his trials is not because he's wrong, but because he is right.
I was not contending that, my point was just that they will screw anyone who dares not to pay and people had better make seriously informed decisions before they take this lightly. and thanks for the info on the kuglin case. I met an old guy here in OC who had his case go before the supreme court. he was pretty much too tired to even talk about it and he just said his intestines would bleed from the stress and that it almost killed him. the beast system is too evil.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. I think that is a key point. One that too many people miss. They fixate on Jooooos, or Niggers, or Spics, or Chinks, and miss the point: All this evil is being conducted by individuals. Some of those who fixate are shills implanting the meme and disrupting and others are just idiots who have internalized the PsyOp manipulation. The other objective is to implant racist comments so as to provide justification for groups such as the Southern Poverty Law Center (a CIA front most likely), ADL (Mossad/CIA), to make their reports about right wing racist paranoids. In the end the Banksters and their Psychiatrists are from all groups but they have in common one thing: A psychotic desire for power over others and dramatizations of destructive impulses. They are not acting as Jooooos, or Niggers, or Spics, or Chinks they are acting as psychotics who incidentally happen to be Jooooos, or Niggers, or Spics, or Chinks, etc, .... Those who fixate on one group have a monomania that is self defeating. A lot of the attempts to stir up race hatred etc., is done by shills, I am convinced, in order to divert, disrupt, and discolor attempts to inform people about who their oppressors are i.e., the Bankster Cartel and the Intelligence Agencies with their Psychoiatrists who wish to devastate the planet to achieve their hellish vision of utopia.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
It's not an easy road nor is it safe. But easy and safe have a low payoff for me. ;-)
I've always maintained the attitude of "love the sinner, hate the sin" type deal; however, it's now a war and I can't love my enemy at the same time kill him. That's just me.
Exactly. Irwin actually knows what he is talking about and most "judges" don't want anyone who knows what they are talking about to do much of it. At least not in "their" courtroom.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. While hating no one, hate is self defeating as it first destroys he who hates, that does not mean I'm in love with the bastards and would be dismayed to see them festooning lamp posts as the guests of honor at a National Necktie Party. However, one step at a time. First Tea Parties THEN Necktie Parties. You just have to get the sequence right. Can't go puttin' the cart before the horse. ;-)
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
A lot of the attempts to stir up race hatred etc., is done by shills, I am convinced, in order to divert, disrupt, and discolor attempts to inform people about who their oppressors are i.e., the Bankster Cartel and the Intelligence Agencies with their Psychoiatrists who wish to devastate the planet to achieve their hellish vision of utopia. I couldn't agree more. Well said.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He's pretty good at this. ;-)
Thanks. "I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Yeah, I agree with that too.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You are most welcome.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Actually, the IRS will admit to 20 million non filers when the actual number now may be three times that. It's actually safer for non filers now than those who try to comply with the myriad of laws, if for no other reason the absence of a document "signed under penalty of perjury" makes criminal prosecution (even for good faith errors or for relying on advice of pro preparers) all but impossible. So, all the IRS can do is gnash their teeth and repeatedly attack high profile leaders of the movement as the tax collapses around their heads. In fact, the longer one stays out of the system the safer it is because the IRS would really hate it for me or others to call a news conference and say, "Yeah, they caught me! It took 'em 28 years but...." (actually, I'm not hiding at all. In fact I sent a letter to Reagan in 1983 and told him and whoever the letter was forwarded to that I was never filing again) Do you have any idea how many people, particularly oldsters would quit filing if they heard that it took that long for the IRS to target the "criminal"? Persons who operate under govt license such as doctors, pilots, etc, are now favored for prosecution because the govt presumes that loyalty is expected from those people. But, the average self employed or non govt-employed individual with no corporate franchise or other privilege should not fear the system, and as long as they don't file any false or otherwise deceptive paperwork in the attempt to hide income they can stop playing the game with confidence that they'll be left alone, or at best get the usual computer generated hate mail which can be easily deal with if one puts in the time to educate themselves.
I can relate to your post. I stopped filing back in the 80's too and never heard anything from them until about '88 if I remember correctly (last one I filed was for 1983). They sent me a computer-generated form letter asking where my tax return for 1984 was. On the back of it they had some boxes you could check. One of them said something like "I am no longer required to file, etc., etc." The truth was that I was "never required to file" but did so out of ignorance and misunderstanding, which is what most people do. Anyway, I checked that box. I believe (if memory serves) there was a question directly after that one that said something like "If I had filed I would have claimed _____________ exemptions." I looked at that and wondered, why would I claim any number of exemptions on a form I am not required to file? So I left that blank. I then crossed out the part of it that said "under penalty of perjury" (right above where you sign the thing). I added a little note after my signature and told them not to ever send me any more unsigned form letters, that I would not respond to them. Something like six months go by and not a peep from the Institute of Revolting Scum. And I figure that they have decided to harass someone else and not bother with me. Not too long after I started thinking that I get another of the exact same form letter. I knew that if I bothered to fill it out and send it back to them they would hound me forever and I had told them not to send me any more unsigned form letters (because I wanted to know who to sue). I threw the thing in the trash and never heard any more from them.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Very good. As with any collection agency they have only so many paid man hours to work, and they can waste time trying to get shekels from you and me or, frighten "good citizens" into "paying what they owe to keep democracy on the march!"
Sure. Sometimes I wonder if they work on commission plus salary and get a cut out of all the money they steal from people. If they do they have to figure the time it is going to take them to pursue someone who knows their game and knows they don't owe them anything can be better used (in their alleged minds anyway) to harass some poor sap who doesn't know any better and will be scared to death when he gets the form letter.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. good for you. i know of several people who have and are doing this and many of them have been gone after. one, who was with RTR, blew his brains out over it. it is a damn shame.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. It's what you don't say that's important. Do these people believe that they can "own" real estate in America? (They can't, and neither can you) Do they insist on using banks which are branch offices of the IRS? If they moved their assets beyond the grasp of the criminal bankster regime they wouldn't have to blow their brains out, or, even open the letters for that matter. So, the more you try to create an atmosphere of dread when the trend is clearly headed like a runaway train in the opposite direction makes me wonder what your interest in perpetuating the system may be. "Allodial title is a concept in some systems of property law. It describes a situation where real property (land, buildings and fixtures) is owned free and clear of any encumbrances, including liens, mortgages and tax obligations. Allodial title is inalienable, in that it cannot be taken by any operation of law for any reason whatsoever. In common legal use, allodial title is used to distinguish absolute ownership of land by individuals from feudal ownership, where property ownership is dependent on relationship to a lord or the sovereign. Webster's first dictionary (1825 ed) says allodium is "land which is absolute property of the owner, real estate held in absolute independence, without being subject to any rent, service, or acknowledgement to a superior. It is thus opposed to feud.""
So, the "Tea Parties" and the way they are being spun is an attempt to drive in a wedge to keep the "left-right" false paradigm in operation and to prevent people who have associated with one or the other from waking up to how they are being played for fools. I think you're right. I keep hearing from several sources how there is becoming a formation of unified groups, now made up of "pro" and "anti" Obama, "D's" with "R's", all forming a cohesive force and voice against the corruption and greed, if nothing else. It's great. Sounds like many people are putting aside their differences and seeing that there is something more important than their petty squabbles, misunderstandings, disagreements, and perhaps even past grievances (whether real or imagined). Instead of holding onto grudges, or their favor letter (D or R) and the past, they are looking at the very real likelihood that we are all going to drown if we don't come together and face the real enemies and traitors in D.C. and on Wall Street.
The problem, in short, comes when corp merged with gov (corp.gov) and the people with their hands out (Nanny Staters) voted for it.
I'm not hearing, in my circle of acquaintances and friends, any murmuring of difference in thought that what these people held before. Those who had been in favor of handouts still are; those previously against, more adamantly so. It's obvious "corp.gov" has no intention of splitting. If anything, it has gotten exponentially worse. Therefore, the problem will continue to remain, unless and until the People think differently and vote out the crooks. At least, that's my opinion, whatever that's worth.
Hope in fact ended with Ron Paul's Trotsky letter at CPAC imo. False hope in a peaceful solution in a crooked system which has cooped so many slaves to begin with of course, but we gave it our best shot. It's truly US against the world now. As if that's not painfully obvious. I like long odds though. ~(8^
The Nanny Staters are helping to move my position on torture. I now feel they all deserve a few rounds of Salem-type water dunkings followed by a few hours in a box with insects.
I'll have to google that. Have no idea what you're talking about.
I like fire ants myself. ;-)
I'll have to google that. Have no idea what you're talking about. You'll probably get a few hits on 4um if you include it. It's a well worn discussion here.
I like fire ants myself. ;-) Being a Paleocon I favor what my Indian ancestors had for such - wet rawhide thongs and staked out in the desert sun. That way they'll last 2 - maybe 3 days. Either that or turn them over to the "Alumni" of Abu Ghraib for "safe keeping". (Particularly "Pills" Limbaugh with talent on loan from drugs.)
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I'll put the search on the back burner as I'm having some difficulty finding anything but references to it. On 4um, same thing...I did find this: I take it he must have been comparing the U.S. to USSR. If so, he's correct. That is what we are becoming and it will take a revolution to free us from the yoke of communism/facism.
He did the best that he could imo. He was a 'reluctant' candidate to begin with.
Marc Cooper is director of Annenberg Digital News at the Annenberg School for Communication at USC.
Lord Acton
#2. To: James Deffenbach (#1)
Wasn't the Obamasiah on the board of directors of this commie outfit?
#3. To: Refinersfire (#2)
Lord Acton
#4. To: James Deffenbach (#3)
that is about all you can expect.
#5. To: Refinersfire (#0)
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#6. To: Refinersfire (#0)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#7. To: James Deffenbach (#1)
#8. To: Jethro Tull (#5)
Tea please!
#9. To: Esso (#6)
Holy crap, that's the most acute case of Kool-Aid overdose I've ever encountered.
#10. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
Good catch James. The corporatemediacomplex has become a mouthpiece for the radical left.
Lord Acton
#11. To: Refinersfire (#8)
#12. To: Jethro Tull (#11)
(Edited)
I had no idea. Let me know if you're going.
#13. To: Refinersfire (#12)
#14. To: Jethro Tull, Refinersfire, PSUSA, Ada, James Deffenbach, Lodwick (#13)
How to make Hannity have a seizure:
#15. To: James Deffenbach (#3)
That was one of the most idiotic articles I have read in a while.
#16. To: All (#14)
And on the B side:
#17. To: Rhino369 (#15)
Lord Acton
#18. To: Rhino369 (#15)
#19. To: James Deffenbach, Rhino369 (#17)
I don't speak for anyone but myself but I doubt that ALL the people who are pissed off voted for McLame. I have been pissed off at the establishment and its whores for years (and that includes Bush and Obama) so I think it must be possible that some of these other folks must be too. I don't believe the article is accurate, think it is just bs propaganda for the Obamasiah.
#20. To: James Deffenbach (#17)
#21. To: Sam Houston (#18)
These are not conservatives. These are more often white-collar criminals a la the Bush Crime Family who are not opposed to big government until they find they no longer are able to loot it for no-bid contracts.
Lord Acton
#22. To: Refinersfire (#19)
#23. To: Rhino369 (#20)
Lord Acton
#24. To: Rhino369 (#22)
Thats the point. Now they've got you involved in republican organizations. Congrats. I'm sure a bunch of ya'll will vote for whoever Bush III is in 2016. Because "we can't have another Obama."
Lord Acton
#25. To: Refinersfire (#0)
The original Boston Tea Party was caffeinated by a very simple injustice: American Colonists refused to be taxed by a government that lacked any popular representation.
#26. To: Refinersfire (#19)
+1
Lord Acton
#27. To: Rhino369 (#22)
I'm sure a bunch of ya'll will vote for whoever Bush III is in 2016. Because "we can't have another Obama."
#28. To: James Deffenbach (#26)
Thank you my friend.
#29. To: James Deffenbach (#23)
I applaud any protest against the government and don't give a rat's @$$ who is protesting
#30. To: mirage (#25)
Sounds like today.
#31. To: James Deffenbach (#24)
#32. To: Rhino369, James Deffenbach (#29)
They are stealing real anger and using it to elect republicans. You shouldn't applaud that.
#33. To: Rhino369, James Deffenbach (#31)
We both know it.
#34. To: Rhino369, christine (#29)
They are stealing real anger and using it to elect republicans.
There's good news and bad news in this phenomenon for establishment politicians. The good news for Republicans is that, while the Republican Party flounders in its response to the Obama presidency and its programs, millions of Americans are getting organized on their own. The bad news is that those Americans, despite their opposition to President Obama's policies, aren't especially friendly to the GOP. When Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele asked to speak at the Chicago tea party, his request was politely refused by the organizers: "With regards to stage time, we respectfully must inform Chairman Steele that RNC officials are welcome to participate in the rally itself, but we prefer to limit stage time to those who are not elected officials, both in Government as well as political parties. This is an opportunity for Americans to speak, and elected officials to listen, not the other way around."
Go off half cocked and "ignunt" much?
Lord Acton
#35. To: Refinersfire, Rhino369 (#33)
You just don't get it do you.. right here on this thread, you have two posters that will do no such thing, yet you continue to post your thoughts, that those like James and I (and many others), will.. (insert head slapping smiley here)
Lord Acton
#36. To: Rhino369 (#31)
Almost everyone at these rallys will vote republican next election no matter who the republican is. We both know it.
#37. To: Refinersfire (#33)
#38. To: Rhino369 (#37)
#39. To: Rhino369 (#37)
You don't possibly think the 4um is representive of the tea bag movement do you? The number of tea baggers who watch Glen Beck, and Rush dwarf the people like you.
Lord Acton
#40. To: Jethro Tull (#36)
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I'm going and I haven't voted R since '88.
#41. To: James Deffenbach (#21)
#42. To: Jethro Tull (#38)
#43. To: Sam Houston (#41)
#44. To: Sam Houston (#41)
The recent history of this country records that for most of the past 28 years, the "R"s have been in control of at least two of the three branches of the federal government and have been responsible therefore for a series of failed imperial wars and the massive looting of the Treasury which has ensued therefrom.
Lord Acton
#45. To: all (#43)
#46. To: christine (#43)
members of both parties do the bidding of their banker masters.
Lord Acton
#47. To: Rhino369 (#42)
#48. To: Rhino369 (#45)
Lord Acton
#49. To: christine (#43)
#50. To: James Deffenbach (#44)
#51. To: James Deffenbach (#48)
#52. To: Sam Houston (#50)
So far he has not started any new wars
Lord Acton
#53. To: Rhino369 (#51)
Lord Acton
#54. To: James Deffenbach (#53)
#55. To: Rhino369 (#54)
The republicans on the other hand claim liberty and patriotism as their goal, but actively work against those goals the minute they get any power.
#56. To: Rhino369 (#54)
Lord Acton
#57. To: Refinersfire, christine, Jethro Tull, Esso, Kamala, Deacon Benjamin, TwentyTwelve, bluegrass, HOUNDDAWG, CadetD, Wudidiz, James Deffenbach, Sam Houston, All (#0)
(Edited)
Nobody I know is very pleased with the billions ladled out to teetering banks and corporations. Yet a clear majority of Americans are sophisticated enough to know that these bailouts are a necessary evil and are intended -- unlike the lollipop Bush tax cuts -- not for personal profit but rather as a radical, emergency measure to help Americans keep their jobs, their homes and their retirement.
"The bail-out is necessary".
#58. To: Original_Intent (#57)
(Edited)
#59. To: HOUNDDAWG (#58)
#60. To: Original_Intent, noone222 (#59)
Anderson Cooper says it's hard to talk while tea bagging.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#61. To: Rotara (#60)
#62. To: Original_Intent (#57)
(No, you're mind controlled schmuck if you think the "bail-outs" are anything other than a massive stick-up.)
Lord Acton
#63. To: James Deffenbach (#62)
And another thing--in reply to any who would whine about others wanting the "first black president to fail," I say that I want him to fail, not because he is black but because he is a freakin' communist! I would want him to fail if he was as white as snow.
anti-semites, oops wrong PsyOp, as racists and thus shut down debate and examination.
#64. To: Original_Intent (#63)
The issue of color and race is another diversion and PsyOp. The race card is played as a disinformation tactic to avoid discussing the specifics - the actual issues. It is a way to brand opponents as anti-semites, oops wrong PsyOp, as racists and thus shut down debate and examination.
Lord Acton
#65. To: Original_Intent (#57)
#66. To: mininggold (#65)
#67. To: Rhino369, christine, Jethro Tull, Esso, Kamala, Deacon Benjamin, TwentyTwelve, bluegrass, HOUNDDAWG, CadetD, Wudidiz, James Deffenbach, Sam Houston, All (#37)
The number of tea baggers who watch Glen Beck, and Rush dwarf the people like you.
#68. To: James Deffenbach (#35)
Sad business that.
#69. To: Refinersfire, Brian S (#67)
#70. To: Rhino369 (#45)
Everyone who is going to these protests, ask your fellow protestors their feelings on the war on terrorism, the drug war, the government spying on people it says are terrorists, the ability of the government to censor immoral media, etc etc.
#71. To: christine (#69)
#72. To: Refinersfire (#67)
Incorrect.. There was Both D and R members, along with Indys and members of the Constitution Party there today. And all were in agreement, that this WAS NOT about a party, but WAS ABOUT being an American and taking back OUR GOVERNMENT!
Lord Acton
#73. To: Sam Houston (#49)
It will be clear in the history books that the U.S. militarism of the past several decades, from whatever source derived, is what destroyed it. There's literally no "foundation" on which to stand anymore.
#74. To: Refinersfire, all tea baggers who despise socialism (#67)
#75. To: James Deffenbach (#72)
That sounds great.
#76. To: Jethro Tull, Refinersfire (#74)
#77. To: mininggold (#55)
And their backdoor funding of abortion while claiming they were against it is a prime example.
#78. To: Jethro Tull, All (#74)
PS: Refinersfire was interviewed by a university station and it will be aired this Friday on local TV. I'll TiVo it and ask my son load it on VHS and from there - hopefully - to YouTube.
#79. To: Original_Intent (#57)
I'm still chewing on this one but several elements stand out.
#80. To: Jethro Tull, Refinersfire (#74)
Refinersfire was interviewed by a university station and it will be aired this Friday on local TV. I'll TiVo it and ask my son load it on VHS and from there - hopefully - to YouTube.
Lord Acton
#81. To: Original_Intent (#57)
Glenn Dreck: Trained in Israel as a disinformation broadcaster and then promoted to national prominence.
#82. To: Original_Intent (#57)
Yet a clear majority of Americans are sophisticated enough to know that these bailouts are a necessary evil
#83. To: CadetD (#81)
#84. To: Refinersfire (#79)
The Spirit of '76 LIVES!
#85. To: Original_Intent (#57)
So, with growing restiveness and opposition they put forth a false opposition to lead and channel the discontent
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#86. To: Artisan (#85)
(Edited)
... just as a few years ago when i contended that the 'anti illegal immigration' movement that got so much play in the mainstream media was then led by the likes of tancredo and gilcrest, who i believe were sincere in their single issue, yet were both zionists and supporters of the GOP led police and surveillance state, and real id act, etc.
#87. To: Original_Intent (#86)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#88. To: James Deffenbach (#56)
Whatever. One of these days you will figure out that there isn't a dime's worth of difference.
#89. To: Artisan (#87)
shiela jackson lee who is rotting in prison
#90. To: Old Friend (#88)
He is for legalizing all drugs.
Lord Acton
#91. To: Old Friend (#88)
But to say there isn't a dimes worth of difference is well stupid.
Lord Acton
#92. To: Refinersfire (#0)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#93. To: James Deffenbach (#91)
That's your opinion. I have a different opinion.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#94. To: All (#92)
12 Days of Kwanzaa
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#95. To: Rotara (#93)
Partisan toe suckers are not capable of seeing the whole picture.
Lord Acton
#96. To: Artisan, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, christine, Rotara, Kamala, lodwick, Pinguinite, Whino369, Whore, rhino369, war, all (#87)
#97. To: James Deffenbach, litus, CadetD, ratcat, Peppa, all (#95)
#98. To: Refinersfire (#79)
#99. To: James Deffenbach (#95)
Yeah, it's sad to me. I knew as far back as the early 70's that most politicians were working hand in hand and that, for the most part, their "game" is a good bit like professional wrestling. You know how they bad mouth their "opponents" but all drink together and ride together between "matches"? Same kinda deal with politicians. All that shuckin' and jivin' is just a show for the rubes and the gullible. Sound and fury signifying nothing.
#100. To: Original_Intent (#97)
Lord Acton
#101. To: mininggold (#99)
Whenever I need a jolt of reality I conjure up an image of Mary Matalin married to James Carville. That to me is our political system in a nutshell.
Lord Acton
#102. To: Old Friend, original_intent, twentytwelve, rotara, christine (#89)
I've never heard that one. A link would be nice. Thanks
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#103. To: Original_Intent (#96)
I am listening to Alex Jones
#104. To: Original_Intent (#96)
When an in-equilibrium system reaches a "tipping point"
#105. To: original_Intent (#103)
#106. To: Artisan (#87)
... as far as the tax stuff, one thing that bothers me about russo's film is that he conveniently omits several facts of those profiled who are in prison, or settled, such as kuglin, who beat some counts but settled and paid a lot of money. and why doesnt anyone mention shiela jackson lee who is rotting in prison along with dick simkanin, schiff, and so many others?
#107. To: HOUNDDAWG (#106)
So, to suggest that Schiff's imprisonment is evidence of flaws in his logic
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#108. To: James Deffenbach (#100)
I feel the same way about Obama that I did about Bush and I didn't "hate" him. I don't hate anyone but I hate the actions of some people.
#109. To: Artisan (#107)
they will screw anyone who dares not to pay and people had better make seriously informed decisions before they take this lightly.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#110. To: Original_Intent (#108)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#111. To: HOUNDDAWG (#106)
I submit that the reason that Irwin Schiff is repeatedly struck by "federal lightning" and the constitution must be suspended for the duration of his trials is not because he's wrong, but because he is right.
Lord Acton
#112. To: Rotara (#110)
#113. To: Original_Intent (#108)
In the end the Banksters and their Psychiatrists are from all groups but they have in common one thing: A psychotic desire for power over others and dramatizations of destructive impulses. They are not acting as Jooooos, or Niggers, or Spics, or Chinks they are acting as psychotics who incidentally happen to be Jooooos, or Niggers, or Spics, or Chinks, etc, .... Those who fixate on one group have a monomania that is self defeating.
Lord Acton
#114. To: Original_Intent (#112)
eheheeee
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#115. To: James Deffenbach, Original_Intent (#113)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#116. To: James Deffenbach (#113)
#117. To: Rotara (#115)
He's pretty good at this. ;-)
Lord Acton
#118. To: Original_Intent (#116)
Lord Acton
#119. To: Artisan (#107)
(Edited)
...my point was just that they will screw anyone who dares not to pay and people had better make seriously informed decisions before they take this lightly.
#120. To: HOUNDDAWG (#119)
Lord Acton
#121. To: James Deffenbach (#120)
#122. To: HOUNDDAWG (#121)
As with any collection agency they have only so many paid man hours to work, and they can waste time trying to get shekels from you and me or, frighten "good citizens" into "paying what they owe to keep democracy on the march!"
Lord Acton
#123. To: HOUNDDAWG (#119)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#124. To: Artisan (#123)
(Edited)
i know of several people who have and are doing this and many of them have been gone after. one, who was with RTR, blew his brains out over it. it is a damn shame.
#125. To: Original_Intent (#96)
seems to be trying to do is to blunt the spontaneous outburst coming from the non-equilibrium society in which we now live. In simple terms I think they are genuinely afraid of a crowd of "Peasants with Pitchforks" showing up on their doorstep.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#126. To: litus (#125)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#127. To: Rotara (#126)
The problem, in short, comes when corp merged with gov (corp.gov) and the people with their hands out (Nanny Staters) voted for it.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#128. To: litus (#127)
I'm not hearing, in my circle of acquaintances and friends, any murmuring of difference in thought that what these people held before. Those who had been in favor of handouts still are; those previously against, more adamantly so. It's obvious "corp.gov" has no intention of splitting. If anything, it has gotten exponentially worse. Therefore, the problem will continue to remain, unless and until the People think differently and vote out the crooks. At least, that's my opinion, whatever that's worth.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#129. To: Rotara (#126)
The problem, in short, comes when corp merged with gov (corp.gov) and the people with their hands out (Nanny Staters) voted for it.
#130. To: Rotara (#128)
Ron Paul's Trotsky letter at CPAC
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#131. To: Jethro Tull (#129)
LOL
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#132. To: litus, JethroTull (#130)
Ron Paul's Trotsky letter at CPAC
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#133. To: Rotara (#131)
(Edited)
LOL
#134. To: Rotara, Jethro Tull (#132)
What a year this has been. And what achievements we have had. If I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent....
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#135. To: litus (#134)
I take it he must have been comparing the U.S. to USSR. If so, he's correct. That is what we are becoming and it will take a revolution to free us from the yoke of communism/facism.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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