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Title: Anti-Obama Taxpayer Tea Parties steeped in insanity
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URL Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion ... pr15,0,2784720.story?track=rss
Published: Apr 15, 2009
Author: Marc Cooper
Post Date: 2009-04-15 08:39:28 by Refinersfire
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he Web is buzzing with information about how to throw an anti-Obama Taxpayer Tea Party, something organizers hope will be held today from Santa Monica to South Carolina. But no need to burn up your bandwidth reading complicated instructions. Here's a simpler recipe: Go to a hobby store. Buy a scale model of a U.N. One-World-Government Black Helicopter and a tube of glue. Toss the model kit. Sniff the entire tube of glue. You're all set for the party. I can recall only a few outbreaks of such collective insanity as these tea parties in recent years. There was that time in the mid-1990s when a $19.95 video proving Bill Clinton was some sort of serial killer went viral. And then, a few years back, there was that chilling, televised midnight seance from the floor of the U.S. Congress aimed at reviving the long-brain-dead Terri Schiavo. And now this. Whip out your Lipton and don your tinfoil hat and join the protest against ... against ... against what exactly? The original Boston Tea Party was caffeinated by a very simple injustice: American Colonists refused to be taxed by a government that lacked any popular representation. That was remedied a few years later in a heroic struggle that stretched from Concord to Yorktown. So, if you'll excuse the mixed metaphor, what's the beef behind today's protests? The Obama administration is cutting taxes for all except the very richest of Americans. Reduced withholding is already showing up in millions of paychecks. Then again, this rash of tea parties is being organized not only by the pseudo-journalists at Fox News (with Glenn Beck, Neil Cavuto and Sean Hannity actively stoking the flames) but also by FreedomWorks, a conservative lobbying outfit headed by former House Majority Leader Dick Armey. I suppose it was Armey's constitutional if morally dubious privilege to have built an entire political career out of defending the wealthy. But are common folks actually going to dump Earl Grey into Santa Monica Bay because they are outraged, simply infuriated, by the marginal tax rate rising 3% for millionaires? Or maybe they'll do it for some other reason. The FreedomWorks site says the Tea Party movement began in reaction to President Obama's corporate bailouts and ensuing yawning budget deficits. These same conservatives, however, were mum when George W. Bush erased our budget surplus and put us deep in the red by drunken spending on a pointless war in Iraq and by, yes, granting massive tax rollbacks for the loaded country clubbers who fund the GOP (and Armey's FreedomWorks). Another bothersome detail: The bailouts were also initiated by Bush. Nobody I know is very pleased with the billions ladled out to teetering banks and corporations. Yet a clear majority of Americans are sophisticated enough to know that these bailouts are a necessary evil and are intended -- unlike the lollipop Bush tax cuts -- not for personal profit but rather as a radical, emergency measure to help Americans keep their jobs, their homes and their retirement. And while way too many otherwise sane Republicans are actively pandering to the tea-bag battalions, some old-fashioned conservatives are calling out the Teabaggers for their silliness. Writing in Fortune magazine, conservative policy analyst Bruce Bartlett, who has a long anti-tax history, says: "The irony of these protests is that federal revenues as a share of the gross domestic product will be lower this year than any year since 1950. ... The truth is that the U.S. is a relatively low-tax country no matter how you slice the data." The Tea Party movement, more than anything else, is a rather garish display of a Republican right that seems to have lost not only the national elections but also any semblance of political bearings. Staying on this course, the GOP risks -- in the words of one pundit -- becoming "the Talk Radio Republican Party." Better put that kettle on, Marge. It's going to be a long and bizarre four years. Marc Cooper is director of Annenberg Digital News at the Annenberg School for Communication at USC.
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#96. To: Artisan, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, christine, Rotara, Kamala, lodwick, Pinguinite, Whino369, Whore, rhino369, war, all (#87)
I am listening to Alex Jones and he seems to have come to the same conclusion we reached yesterday - that the attempt here is to polarize things and to set up the Tea Parties as scary, scary, shudder, right wing race haters and "hisssssssss" Obama haters. It is being spun as something totally different than what happened. I don't watch TV so I didn't see it but I guess the media is going into a frenzy to distort and mischaracterize the types of people and their motivations at the Tea Parties. The other play seems to be to build up the left-right poles so as to prevent a convergence of interests. There are areas of agreement such as the fact that we are being robbed blind, BUT the media circus wants to create a divide to keep us from uniting on our common interests against a corrupt government. I think that the Master Class is getting a bit nervous as their are too many upwelling currents of awareness and discontent. To some degree this is chaos theory in action - sensitive dependence on initial conditions i.e., the pot is beginning to boil and they're trying to keep the lid on the building pressure. When an in-equilibrium system reaches a "tipping point" where is has diverged far enough from the equilibrium point it can behave unpredictably in its attempt to establish a new equilibrium point. What the push seems to be with the media, and all of the other perception management tools at the disposal of the Psych Warfare Team assaulting us with their salacious advances, seems to be trying to do is to blunt the spontaneous outburst coming from the non-equilibrium society in which we now live. In simple terms I think they are genuinely afraid of a crowd of "Peasants with Pitchforks" showing up on their doorstep. So, the "Tea Parties" and the way they are being spun is an attempt to drive in a wedge to keep the "left-right" false paradigm in operation and to prevent people who have associated with one or the other from waking up to how they are being played for fools. Oh, and "Whino" your play has been diagnosed and you have identified yourself as the replacement for the now discredited "Whore". Stay Tuned.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Oops! Forgot to include you on the ping list.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Ping.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Whenever I need a jolt of reality I conjure up an image of Mary Matalin married to James Carville. That to me is our political system in a nutshell.
Thanks for the ping. I think you pretty much nailed it. The msm will slobber all over themselves talking about the "Obama haters." And some of them may even believe it. I feel the same way about Obama that I did about Bush and I didn't "hate" him. I don't hate anyone but I hate the actions of some people. I look at people like Bush and Obama pretty much as I would look at a puppet because I know someone is pulling their strings. They're just the public face doing the bidding of the bankers who own them.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. James Carville and nutshell--great post. He looks like Gollum. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. my apologies for getting her name wrong,. i dont know why i had some democratic bitch mixed up with her. her name is not shilea jackson lee, it is sherri peel jackson. http://www.sherrypeeljackson.com/ http://www.realtruth.biz/Republic%20Magazine/Republic-Magazine5.pdf she is a black Christian woman who was an IRS agent for years and studied the issue, and her conscience ddictated that she expose the irs fraud and she stoopped filing. it's a crap shoot, and some win and some lose. she lost and was prosecuted for not filing for , i believe it was 4 years. she got one year for each charge and is spending, if i recall correctly, 4 yrs in prison. her husband has been interviewed also on radio shows. i wonder how she is now.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. Please give me a warning when you do that...I just spewed tea all over my screen and keyboard...
It's not an "in-equilibrium" system and hasn't been. where is has diverged far enough from the equilibrium point it can behave unpredictably in its attempt to establish a new equilibrium point. It will behave quite predictably...there will either be revolt or suppression...government has one role...conflict resolution...
BTW, Alex Jones posts here, IMHO...either that or someone very close to him does...too many coincidences...
Vernice Kuglin petitioned the tax court (on the advice of a system pimp lawyer before she hired Larry Becraft) so, after she won in the criminal trial she was pulled "into the looking glass" of the jurisdiction of the administrative tax court manned by former IRS agents and raked over the coals. That's the catch you see, because the "taxpayer" must petition the court for a hearing so the jurisdiction question is automatically resolved and then it's just a matter of former agents deciding "how much you owe". Had she not made this mistake she'd have been as free as a bird because the only way to pursue her civilly would have been to sue her on level ground after she had won in criminal court, and she could have counter sued and demanded a jury trial which is also denied those who go to "tax court". And, Irwin Schiff was ordered by a Las Vegas federal judge not to publish his books or to speak words that offend the ears of federal defenders of the god-cursed income tax! The fact is that the govt could not legally dispute his arguments except with the decisions of judges who essentially said, "Never mind the supreme court, Title 26 or any other sources, I SAY YOU ARE REQUIRED TO FILE TAX RETURNS!" So, to suggest that Schiff's imprisonment is evidence of flaws in his logic, research and legal arguments makes no more sense than to suggest that Ezra Pound was institutionalized for 13 years because he was actually insane, rather than a political prisoner who could not be intimidated or silenced any other way. I submit that the reason that Irwin Schiff is repeatedly struck by "federal lightning" and the constitution must be suspended for the duration of his trials is not because he's wrong, but because he is right.
I was not contending that, my point was just that they will screw anyone who dares not to pay and people had better make seriously informed decisions before they take this lightly. and thanks for the info on the kuglin case. I met an old guy here in OC who had his case go before the supreme court. he was pretty much too tired to even talk about it and he just said his intestines would bleed from the stress and that it almost killed him. the beast system is too evil.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. I think that is a key point. One that too many people miss. They fixate on Jooooos, or Niggers, or Spics, or Chinks, and miss the point: All this evil is being conducted by individuals. Some of those who fixate are shills implanting the meme and disrupting and others are just idiots who have internalized the PsyOp manipulation. The other objective is to implant racist comments so as to provide justification for groups such as the Southern Poverty Law Center (a CIA front most likely), ADL (Mossad/CIA), to make their reports about right wing racist paranoids. In the end the Banksters and their Psychiatrists are from all groups but they have in common one thing: A psychotic desire for power over others and dramatizations of destructive impulses. They are not acting as Jooooos, or Niggers, or Spics, or Chinks they are acting as psychotics who incidentally happen to be Jooooos, or Niggers, or Spics, or Chinks, etc, .... Those who fixate on one group have a monomania that is self defeating. A lot of the attempts to stir up race hatred etc., is done by shills, I am convinced, in order to divert, disrupt, and discolor attempts to inform people about who their oppressors are i.e., the Bankster Cartel and the Intelligence Agencies with their Psychoiatrists who wish to devastate the planet to achieve their hellish vision of utopia.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
It's not an easy road nor is it safe. But easy and safe have a low payoff for me. ;-)
I've always maintained the attitude of "love the sinner, hate the sin" type deal; however, it's now a war and I can't love my enemy at the same time kill him. That's just me.
Exactly. Irwin actually knows what he is talking about and most "judges" don't want anyone who knows what they are talking about to do much of it. At least not in "their" courtroom.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. While hating no one, hate is self defeating as it first destroys he who hates, that does not mean I'm in love with the bastards and would be dismayed to see them festooning lamp posts as the guests of honor at a National Necktie Party. However, one step at a time. First Tea Parties THEN Necktie Parties. You just have to get the sequence right. Can't go puttin' the cart before the horse. ;-)
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
A lot of the attempts to stir up race hatred etc., is done by shills, I am convinced, in order to divert, disrupt, and discolor attempts to inform people about who their oppressors are i.e., the Bankster Cartel and the Intelligence Agencies with their Psychoiatrists who wish to devastate the planet to achieve their hellish vision of utopia. I couldn't agree more. Well said.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He's pretty good at this. ;-)
Thanks. "I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Yeah, I agree with that too.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You are most welcome.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Actually, the IRS will admit to 20 million non filers when the actual number now may be three times that. It's actually safer for non filers now than those who try to comply with the myriad of laws, if for no other reason the absence of a document "signed under penalty of perjury" makes criminal prosecution (even for good faith errors or for relying on advice of pro preparers) all but impossible. So, all the IRS can do is gnash their teeth and repeatedly attack high profile leaders of the movement as the tax collapses around their heads. In fact, the longer one stays out of the system the safer it is because the IRS would really hate it for me or others to call a news conference and say, "Yeah, they caught me! It took 'em 28 years but...." (actually, I'm not hiding at all. In fact I sent a letter to Reagan in 1983 and told him and whoever the letter was forwarded to that I was never filing again) Do you have any idea how many people, particularly oldsters would quit filing if they heard that it took that long for the IRS to target the "criminal"? Persons who operate under govt license such as doctors, pilots, etc, are now favored for prosecution because the govt presumes that loyalty is expected from those people. But, the average self employed or non govt-employed individual with no corporate franchise or other privilege should not fear the system, and as long as they don't file any false or otherwise deceptive paperwork in the attempt to hide income they can stop playing the game with confidence that they'll be left alone, or at best get the usual computer generated hate mail which can be easily deal with if one puts in the time to educate themselves.
I can relate to your post. I stopped filing back in the 80's too and never heard anything from them until about '88 if I remember correctly (last one I filed was for 1983). They sent me a computer-generated form letter asking where my tax return for 1984 was. On the back of it they had some boxes you could check. One of them said something like "I am no longer required to file, etc., etc." The truth was that I was "never required to file" but did so out of ignorance and misunderstanding, which is what most people do. Anyway, I checked that box. I believe (if memory serves) there was a question directly after that one that said something like "If I had filed I would have claimed _____________ exemptions." I looked at that and wondered, why would I claim any number of exemptions on a form I am not required to file? So I left that blank. I then crossed out the part of it that said "under penalty of perjury" (right above where you sign the thing). I added a little note after my signature and told them not to ever send me any more unsigned form letters, that I would not respond to them. Something like six months go by and not a peep from the Institute of Revolting Scum. And I figure that they have decided to harass someone else and not bother with me. Not too long after I started thinking that I get another of the exact same form letter. I knew that if I bothered to fill it out and send it back to them they would hound me forever and I had told them not to send me any more unsigned form letters (because I wanted to know who to sue). I threw the thing in the trash and never heard any more from them.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Very good. As with any collection agency they have only so many paid man hours to work, and they can waste time trying to get shekels from you and me or, frighten "good citizens" into "paying what they owe to keep democracy on the march!"
Sure. Sometimes I wonder if they work on commission plus salary and get a cut out of all the money they steal from people. If they do they have to figure the time it is going to take them to pursue someone who knows their game and knows they don't owe them anything can be better used (in their alleged minds anyway) to harass some poor sap who doesn't know any better and will be scared to death when he gets the form letter.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. good for you. i know of several people who have and are doing this and many of them have been gone after. one, who was with RTR, blew his brains out over it. it is a damn shame.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. It's what you don't say that's important. Do these people believe that they can "own" real estate in America? (They can't, and neither can you) Do they insist on using banks which are branch offices of the IRS? If they moved their assets beyond the grasp of the criminal bankster regime they wouldn't have to blow their brains out, or, even open the letters for that matter. So, the more you try to create an atmosphere of dread when the trend is clearly headed like a runaway train in the opposite direction makes me wonder what your interest in perpetuating the system may be. "Allodial title is a concept in some systems of property law. It describes a situation where real property (land, buildings and fixtures) is owned free and clear of any encumbrances, including liens, mortgages and tax obligations. Allodial title is inalienable, in that it cannot be taken by any operation of law for any reason whatsoever. In common legal use, allodial title is used to distinguish absolute ownership of land by individuals from feudal ownership, where property ownership is dependent on relationship to a lord or the sovereign. Webster's first dictionary (1825 ed) says allodium is "land which is absolute property of the owner, real estate held in absolute independence, without being subject to any rent, service, or acknowledgement to a superior. It is thus opposed to feud.""
So, the "Tea Parties" and the way they are being spun is an attempt to drive in a wedge to keep the "left-right" false paradigm in operation and to prevent people who have associated with one or the other from waking up to how they are being played for fools. I think you're right. I keep hearing from several sources how there is becoming a formation of unified groups, now made up of "pro" and "anti" Obama, "D's" with "R's", all forming a cohesive force and voice against the corruption and greed, if nothing else. It's great. Sounds like many people are putting aside their differences and seeing that there is something more important than their petty squabbles, misunderstandings, disagreements, and perhaps even past grievances (whether real or imagined). Instead of holding onto grudges, or their favor letter (D or R) and the past, they are looking at the very real likelihood that we are all going to drown if we don't come together and face the real enemies and traitors in D.C. and on Wall Street.
The problem, in short, comes when corp merged with gov (corp.gov) and the people with their hands out (Nanny Staters) voted for it.
I'm not hearing, in my circle of acquaintances and friends, any murmuring of difference in thought that what these people held before. Those who had been in favor of handouts still are; those previously against, more adamantly so. It's obvious "corp.gov" has no intention of splitting. If anything, it has gotten exponentially worse. Therefore, the problem will continue to remain, unless and until the People think differently and vote out the crooks. At least, that's my opinion, whatever that's worth.
Hope in fact ended with Ron Paul's Trotsky letter at CPAC imo. False hope in a peaceful solution in a crooked system which has cooped so many slaves to begin with of course, but we gave it our best shot. It's truly US against the world now. As if that's not painfully obvious. I like long odds though. ~(8^
The Nanny Staters are helping to move my position on torture. I now feel they all deserve a few rounds of Salem-type water dunkings followed by a few hours in a box with insects.
I'll have to google that. Have no idea what you're talking about.
I like fire ants myself. ;-)
I'll have to google that. Have no idea what you're talking about. You'll probably get a few hits on 4um if you include it. It's a well worn discussion here.
I like fire ants myself. ;-) Being a Paleocon I favor what my Indian ancestors had for such - wet rawhide thongs and staked out in the desert sun. That way they'll last 2 - maybe 3 days. Either that or turn them over to the "Alumni" of Abu Ghraib for "safe keeping". (Particularly "Pills" Limbaugh with talent on loan from drugs.)
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I'll put the search on the back burner as I'm having some difficulty finding anything but references to it. On 4um, same thing...I did find this: I take it he must have been comparing the U.S. to USSR. If so, he's correct. That is what we are becoming and it will take a revolution to free us from the yoke of communism/facism.
He did the best that he could imo. He was a 'reluctant' candidate to begin with.
#97. To: James Deffenbach, litus, CadetD, ratcat, Peppa, all (#95)
#98. To: Refinersfire (#79)
#99. To: James Deffenbach (#95)
Yeah, it's sad to me. I knew as far back as the early 70's that most politicians were working hand in hand and that, for the most part, their "game" is a good bit like professional wrestling. You know how they bad mouth their "opponents" but all drink together and ride together between "matches"? Same kinda deal with politicians. All that shuckin' and jivin' is just a show for the rubes and the gullible. Sound and fury signifying nothing.
#100. To: Original_Intent (#97)
Lord Acton
#101. To: mininggold (#99)
Whenever I need a jolt of reality I conjure up an image of Mary Matalin married to James Carville. That to me is our political system in a nutshell.
Lord Acton
#102. To: Old Friend, original_intent, twentytwelve, rotara, christine (#89)
I've never heard that one. A link would be nice. Thanks
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#103. To: Original_Intent (#96)
I am listening to Alex Jones
#104. To: Original_Intent (#96)
When an in-equilibrium system reaches a "tipping point"
#105. To: original_Intent (#103)
#106. To: Artisan (#87)
... as far as the tax stuff, one thing that bothers me about russo's film is that he conveniently omits several facts of those profiled who are in prison, or settled, such as kuglin, who beat some counts but settled and paid a lot of money. and why doesnt anyone mention shiela jackson lee who is rotting in prison along with dick simkanin, schiff, and so many others?
#107. To: HOUNDDAWG (#106)
So, to suggest that Schiff's imprisonment is evidence of flaws in his logic
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#108. To: James Deffenbach (#100)
I feel the same way about Obama that I did about Bush and I didn't "hate" him. I don't hate anyone but I hate the actions of some people.
#109. To: Artisan (#107)
they will screw anyone who dares not to pay and people had better make seriously informed decisions before they take this lightly.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#110. To: Original_Intent (#108)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#111. To: HOUNDDAWG (#106)
I submit that the reason that Irwin Schiff is repeatedly struck by "federal lightning" and the constitution must be suspended for the duration of his trials is not because he's wrong, but because he is right.
Lord Acton
#112. To: Rotara (#110)
#113. To: Original_Intent (#108)
In the end the Banksters and their Psychiatrists are from all groups but they have in common one thing: A psychotic desire for power over others and dramatizations of destructive impulses. They are not acting as Jooooos, or Niggers, or Spics, or Chinks they are acting as psychotics who incidentally happen to be Jooooos, or Niggers, or Spics, or Chinks, etc, .... Those who fixate on one group have a monomania that is self defeating.
Lord Acton
#114. To: Original_Intent (#112)
eheheeee
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#115. To: James Deffenbach, Original_Intent (#113)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#116. To: James Deffenbach (#113)
#117. To: Rotara (#115)
He's pretty good at this. ;-)
Lord Acton
#118. To: Original_Intent (#116)
Lord Acton
#119. To: Artisan (#107)
(Edited)
...my point was just that they will screw anyone who dares not to pay and people had better make seriously informed decisions before they take this lightly.
#120. To: HOUNDDAWG (#119)
Lord Acton
#121. To: James Deffenbach (#120)
#122. To: HOUNDDAWG (#121)
As with any collection agency they have only so many paid man hours to work, and they can waste time trying to get shekels from you and me or, frighten "good citizens" into "paying what they owe to keep democracy on the march!"
Lord Acton
#123. To: HOUNDDAWG (#119)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#124. To: Artisan (#123)
(Edited)
i know of several people who have and are doing this and many of them have been gone after. one, who was with RTR, blew his brains out over it. it is a damn shame.
#125. To: Original_Intent (#96)
seems to be trying to do is to blunt the spontaneous outburst coming from the non-equilibrium society in which we now live. In simple terms I think they are genuinely afraid of a crowd of "Peasants with Pitchforks" showing up on their doorstep.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#126. To: litus (#125)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#127. To: Rotara (#126)
The problem, in short, comes when corp merged with gov (corp.gov) and the people with their hands out (Nanny Staters) voted for it.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#128. To: litus (#127)
I'm not hearing, in my circle of acquaintances and friends, any murmuring of difference in thought that what these people held before. Those who had been in favor of handouts still are; those previously against, more adamantly so. It's obvious "corp.gov" has no intention of splitting. If anything, it has gotten exponentially worse. Therefore, the problem will continue to remain, unless and until the People think differently and vote out the crooks. At least, that's my opinion, whatever that's worth.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#129. To: Rotara (#126)
The problem, in short, comes when corp merged with gov (corp.gov) and the people with their hands out (Nanny Staters) voted for it.
#130. To: Rotara (#128)
Ron Paul's Trotsky letter at CPAC
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#131. To: Jethro Tull (#129)
LOL
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#132. To: litus, JethroTull (#130)
Ron Paul's Trotsky letter at CPAC
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#133. To: Rotara (#131)
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#134. To: Rotara, Jethro Tull (#132)
What a year this has been. And what achievements we have had. If I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent....
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#135. To: litus (#134)
I take it he must have been comparing the U.S. to USSR. If so, he's correct. That is what we are becoming and it will take a revolution to free us from the yoke of communism/facism.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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