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Title: Watching Neil Cavuto at the Sacramento Tea Party
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Published: Apr 15, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-04-15 16:31:27 by christine
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There are $5k+ in attendance. Republicans, Democrats, Conservatives, Liberals, Libertarians. All are saying that this is not about partisan politics. Folks are united and fed up with fed spending!

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There are $5k+ in attendance.

Freudian slip there, I think.

This event is a farce. The time to have stopped what has already destroyed this country as a going concern was starting about 30 years ago.

WAY too much damage has been done. These people would do better to spend their time on survivalism skills at this point. So would I, for that matter.

Our "tea party" was a block away from my office. I didn't bother, mainly because I can't stand being around most of the people this type of event attracts. Very few of them had a problem with the federal spending while Bushco was blowing it on the bogus wars.

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-04-15   16:50:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Very few of them had a problem with the federal spending while Bushco was blowing it on the bogus wars.

Hell, they wanted to try people who spoke against it for treason.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-04-15   22:17:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Very few of them had a problem with the federal spending while Bushco was blowing it on the bogus wars.

Hell, they wanted to try people who spoke against it for treason.

"THEY" wanted to...who are you talking about dip squit ?

You have been on Marxist Jew World Order anti-Liberty Post for far too long.

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-15   23:39:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Very few of them had a problem with the federal spending while Bushco was blowing it on the bogus wars.

Hell, they wanted to try people who spoke against it for treason.

"THEY" wanted to...who are you talking about dip squit ?

You have been on Marxist Jew World Order anti-Liberty Post for far too long.

Aw c'mon give a poor hard working minimum wage shill a break. Poor Whore got chewed up so they had to send in the second string.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-16   14:00:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Aw c'mon give a poor hard working minimum wage shill a break. Poor Whore got chewed up so they had to send in the second string.

I prefer the term middle reliever.

Seriously though conservatives love big government as long as a fake evangelical with an R beside his name is in charge. That may mean you aren't a conservative but then you stop calling yourself one.

Everyone but True Conservatives defines conservatives as war mongering liberty hating, taxing cutting, faux moral crusaders.

At this point you guys are the marxists who claim the Soviet Union wasn't really communism.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-04-16   16:08:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Seriously though conservatives love big government as long as a fake evangelical with an R beside his name is in charge. That may mean you aren't a conservative but then you stop calling yourself one.

I stopped referring to myself as a "conservative" years ago. If I choose any label it is a Paleocon/Paleolibertarian Constitutionalist. However, I have friends across the political spectrum from Republican Activists to Hand Wringing Naderites. I just try to confound them by forcing them to think and look. They find it most annoying. It is so much easier to slip into the label game and say "I'm an X" and so therefore "I MUST" believe "Y" and adhere to that even if it sometimes makes my stomach turn because I just know the other guys are evil". My patrilineal ancestors were settled and long established (more than a century) before the Revolutionary War (my Indian ancestors were here a "bit" before that).

Everyone but True Conservatives defines conservatives as war mongering liberty hating, taxing cutting, faux moral crusaders.

True conservatives find most of those who call themselves conservatives to be repugnant to the very beliefs they claim they espouse. The attempt to characterize them as you delineate is a result of the ongoing campaign of propaganda and psychological manipulation which is conducted in the media. You simply prove yourself a shill or very thoroughly indoctrinated and unthinking individual by repeating the drumbeat of media programming. It is exactly like the Dildoeheads who slavishly hang on every belch and tag line uttered by the Maha Junkie, Sean Vannity, Neil BOORtz, Michael Deadved, et. al., .... The words may be different but the song remains the same. Conservatism, true conservatism, is a philosophy arrived at by thought and contemplation - through careful examination and a thoughtful weighing of alternatives. It is not the kneejerk PsyOp conditioned reactions of those who are disinformed and programmed by mass media. The truth be known conservatives, true conservatives, are scary to our would-be slave masters. However the problem with true conservatives is that they are conservative and thus are afraid of any change or difference which is why I am not either a conservative or a Neo-Socialist (aka "liberal"). Both are fixated upon a viewpoint that is the result of mass manipulation via some very sophisticated social programming. Read my tag line newly and in a new unit of time.

Both mainstream conservatism and liberalism are fixated upon materialist solutions to spiritual problems. You don't fix a lost soul with modern military hardware or by supporting them at someone else's expense.

Oh, and what is wrong with tax cuts?

Do you believe that people do not have the right to the produce of their own labor?

At this point you guys are the marxists who claim the Soviet Union wasn't really communism.

It wasn't. At least not as that welfare queen Karl Marx and his Plutocratic "Patron" Friedrich Engels theorized. Communism as practiced in the Soviet Union and in China are just another form of total state wherein the State is All and the individual nothing.

Of course to a certain low and diseased mindset individualism is a bad thing. "Of course the State has the right to direct your life, control your activities, and keep you in bondage." After all isn't that what states are for?

I am minded of H. L. Mencken's commentary on liberals:

"The believing mind reaches its perihelion in the so-called Liberals. They believe each and every quack who sets up his booth on the fairgrounds, including the Communists. The Communists have some talents too, but they always stop short of believing in the Liberals." ~
(H. L. Mencken, "A Book Of Burlesques", reprinted in "A Mencken Chrestomathy", 1949, p. 616)

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-16   16:55:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

True conservatives find most of those who call themselves conservatives to be repugnant to the very beliefs they claim they espouse.

And my point is that they, like you, should stop calling themselves conservatives, and should stop consorting with them.

This entire line of debate started because I called conservatives hypocrites and a small gov paleo took offense. If you guys don't want to get lumped in with GOPbots, stop lumping yourself in with GOPbots.

Conservatism, true conservatism, is a philosophy arrived at by thought and contemplation - through careful examination and a thoughtful weighing of alternatives.

There is no such thing as the one conservative philosophy, which is kind of my point. Conservative gets redefined at least once a generation. That is unless you mean the literal definition, one who wants society to remain the same. In which case almost nobody who calls themselves conservatives are.

Oh, and what is wrong with tax cuts?

Tax cuts aren't possible without spending cuts. And about 2/3% of our discretionary budget is spent on war, military and paying off other countries. Most people at these rallies, the GOP style conservatives refuse to cut defense, one penny. And in fact claim we should be spending more, fighting more wars.

Large tax cuts are impossible with gutting the US military, or ending all entitlement programs. And even then we'd all just stop paying the 8% SS + MC tax.

Do you believe that people do not have the right to the produce of their own labor?

A right to all of it? No. Taxation should be fair, but clearly the Constitution allows for taxation.

Of course to a certain low and diseased mindset individualism is a bad thing. "Of course the State has the right to direct your life, control your activities, and keep you in bondage." After all isn't that what states are for?

Your problem is you define "directing" your life, and controlling activities as anything beyond the level of control you call for, then demonize. The path between total anarchy and total tyranny is continuous. You pretend it is binary.

What level of taxation is tyrannical?

Rhino369  posted on  2009-04-16   17:21:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

A right to all of it? No. Taxation should be fair, but clearly the Constitution allows for taxation.

Sure it does and no one said otherwise. The problem comes when the government bastardizes the English language to extract a tax on an item most people never had and never will have ("income"). Properly understood, the word means "the profit or gain derived from an investment or from engaging in some type of privileged activity." No one who works for wages or a salary in an occupation of common right has ever had any income, at least not from their job.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-16   17:25:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Sure it does and no one said otherwise. The problem comes when the government bastardizes the English language to extract a tax on an item most people never had and never will have ("income"). Properly understood, the word means "the profit or gain derived from an investment or from engaging in some type of privileged activity." No one who works for wages or a salary in an occupation of common right has ever had any income, at least not from their job.

Your argument is semantics and to tell you the truth I don't even think the semantics argument hold, but it doesn't matter. The original intent of the 16th amendment was to authorize wage, capital gains, property gain and profit taxes. There was an income tax on wages, that was called an income tax, before the amendment was even written.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-04-16   17:53:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Sure it does and no one said otherwise. The problem comes when the government bastardizes the English language to extract a tax on an item most people never had and never will have ("income"). Properly understood, the word means "the profit or gain derived from an investment or from engaging in some type of privileged activity." No one who works for wages or a salary in an occupation of common right has ever had any income, at least not from their job.

Your argument is semantics and to tell you the truth I don't even think the semantics argument hold, but it doesn't matter. The original intent of the 16th amendment was to authorize wage, capital gains, property gain and profit taxes. There was an income tax on wages, that was called an income tax, before the amendment was even written.

However, no income tax was authorized or written into the original Constitution of the United States.

The 16th amendment which purports to authorize such taxation, by the accumulating weight of evidence, was never legally ratified under that Constitution and was imposed by dictat - illegally so. However, one cannot get an honest hearing on the matter in any of the corrupt courts of the land. The "We the People" Foundation has proven this as they have been rebuffed at all levels of government - including the Congress which first agreed to accept the matter under the right of petition but then deleted it from the calendar and will not accept any consideration of it regardless of weight of evidence.

Further, unknown to most people, the IRS is not a Government Agency but a Private Corporation. The sole function of the "Income" Tax, semantics aside, is to fund the Feral Reserve and pay off the Banksters who have assumed control of our government.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-16   18:03:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

by the accumulating weight of evidence, was never legally ratified under that Constitution and was imposed by dictat - illegally so

I've heard this claimed but as far as I can tell it was ratified by 42/48 states.

Further, unknown to most people, the IRS is not a Government Agency but a Private Corporation.

The IRS is a federal agency that is part of the Department of the Treasury.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-04-16   18:08:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I've heard this claimed but as far as I can tell it was ratified by 42/48 states.

That is a yes and no. Philander Knox's words were not that it had been ratified but that it "was in effect".

To be validly ratified it has to be passed in the State Legislatures exactly as written and presented. Several states modified the wording to suit their own preferences, and one (Tennessee if I recall) passed a measure stating the exact opposite but was counted as one of the states that ratified. There were other irregularities which memory fails me on, but it has all been documented with court certified documents.

There are assertions by interested parties who benefit that it was ratified but the evidence suggests strongly that it fell short of the required 3/4 of the states.

Further, unknown to most people, the IRS is not a Government Agency but a Private Corporation.

The IRS is a federal agency that is part of the Department of the Treasury.

Guess again buckwheat. Although the IRS uses Treasury Dept. Letterhead it is not legally a part of the Treasury Department. A very interesting court case illustrated this last year. The IRS brought up a failure to file charge on a gentleman for not filing. When the Defense presented their brief the Government withdrew its case, WITH PREJUDICE meaning that it cannot again be reopened. Why? The Defense's argument rested solely on the point that in order to be required to file all government forms, per the Paperwork Reduction Act, must have a valid OMB control number justifying why the information is required. The law applies only to Federal Government Agencies and you must be a government agency to be able to get a valid OMB number. The current IRS 1040 DOES NOT have a valid OMB number. It has an OMB number on it but it is not valid and is thus a fraudulent misrepresentatation as was illustrated by the haste with which the government withdrew their case. (Edited to provide a more easily readable form: Data on the Lear Case

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-16   18:43:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Is there a version with paragraph formatting?

Thank you.

Lod  posted on  2009-04-16   18:48:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Fixed - I was able to find a better, original, copy on the "We The People" Foundation Web Site.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-16   18:56:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Thank you - these old eyes need all the help that they can get.

Lod  posted on  2009-04-16   19:01:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You are most welcome. I wasn't happy with the original reference either.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-16   19:08:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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