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Title: Watching Neil Cavuto at the Sacramento Tea Party
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Published: Apr 15, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-04-15 16:31:27 by christine
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There are $5k+ in attendance. Republicans, Democrats, Conservatives, Liberals, Libertarians. All are saying that this is not about partisan politics. Folks are united and fed up with fed spending!
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BUT GOOD! (as the Toddler would say).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. These people are probably all friends of Ron Paul.
But, but, MSNBC said this was the last gasp of the R's!! Chris "The Smirk" Mathews and David Shuster/Rachel Madcow didn't mention the involvement of non- R's!!!
_________________________________________________________________________ Reckon Matthews will feel any "tingles" going up his leg?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. More likely he'll get the "buckwheats" seeing all the Americans opposing FedGov.
_________________________________________________________________________ Freudian slip there, I think. This event is a farce. The time to have stopped what has already destroyed this country as a going concern was starting about 30 years ago. WAY too much damage has been done. These people would do better to spend their time on survivalism skills at this point. So would I, for that matter. Our "tea party" was a block away from my office. I didn't bother, mainly because I can't stand being around most of the people this type of event attracts. Very few of them had a problem with the federal spending while Bushco was blowing it on the bogus wars.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
I hope he does, a bad case of it/them.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yep. Faux is doing a great job of finding a few token "Democrats, Conservatives, Liberals, Libertarians" in attempt to sell this promotion of theirs as 'non-partisan'. Not surprised that so many on this forum are buying into this neocon bullshit. Keeps it entertaining at the least. BTW...I wonder where they were a year ago when Little Lord Pissy Pants was still the 'decider'?
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
The ringleader ("teabagger in chief"?) here collected well into the six figures for 17 months working in the Green Zone a few years ago for one of Little Lord Pissy Pant's favorite no-bid contractors, KBR. Irony and hypocrisy just doesn't register with most of these folks. War (on anything and everything for any reason or for no reason) is "righteous" federal spending which doesn't count against the deficit or add to the debt.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
This event is a farce. The time to have stopped what has already destroyed this country as a going concern was starting about 30 years ago. WAY too much damage has been done. These people would do better to spend their time on survivalism skills at this point. So would I, for that matter. Our "tea party" was a block away from my office. I didn't bother, mainly because I can't stand being around most of the people this type of event attracts. Very few of them had a problem with the federal spending while Bushco was blowing it on the bogus wars. For the record you've always been a partisan for one of the shitty parties and still tow the line for the most part.
You are right. I oppose the GOPers with every fiber of my being and I only oppose the Dems with about half the fiber of my being. That's based on the fact the GOPers have been in power for about twice as long over the last 30 years as the Dems have. But I don't vote for either of them. I don't vote, period. I wised up. Politics is a farcical spectator sport to me. The GOPers aren't even funny. At least you can get a few laughs out of Ted Kennedy and the like, although it's not good to laugh at a man dying from cancer. You might not mind, though.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Very extremely stooooopid.
After his contribution to "immigration" I'll be cheering the day he kicks the bucket.
_________________________________________________________________________ "Toe the Line," NOT "Tow the Line"
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Yeah I always screw that up. Even had it right the first time I typed it. Thanks for straightening that out. Your priorities are right on track. ;-)
Fox News Live: www.dougberndt.com/fox-news-live.htm
The Swimmer has already sucked up way more oxygen than he should have. If not for his money and connections he would have been in prison years ago and probably killed by other inmates.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. you're right about that as far as the Fox coverage of this. where were they when Ron Paul was running? no one is falling for any neocon bullshit, brian. your beloved democrats are neocons/neolibs with the same agenda of anti-american sovereignty. for the people in attendance, i would bet that the majority of them understand that. some of them probably voted for change which they now realize they didn't get. there are tea parties in all 50 states. i'm betting that most of them are people like us on this forum that are disgusted with the elitist criminal politicians. the unfortunate thing is, it's too late. the bastards have sold us out to the globalist bankers and the USD is just about dead.
On Faux News: the Trifecta of Glenn Beck, Janine Turner, and Ted Nugent with his Gibson Byrdland guitar on a stage in front of the Alamo. Obama must be shitting bricks at the symbolism somebody like him can't get away with using....
_________________________________________________________________________ The ice is getting mighty thin, folks.
Well said.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Wow. You are spouting your 'beloved' Faux Knews talking points right to the 'T'. Cavuto just spoke those exact words only a few minutes ago... Tell us Christine, just what flavor is the Kool-aid this afternoon? ;)
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
"Normal" people don't seek that office. Never have. Never will. By definition, those with such a will to power are presumptively psychopaths.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
LOL. "Symbolism" Ted Nuggent style. It doesn't get much better than this: A little bio info about 'good ole' Ted: His second marriage was to Shemane Deziel, whom he met during one of his guest morning personality gigs on Detroit's WLLZ-FM, where she was a member of the news staff. They married on January 21, 1989. In 2005, Nugent was involved in a legal battle for not paying enough child support for a child he had out of wedlock in 1995. [14] It was finally resolved when Nugent was ordered to pay $3,500 a month to the mother of the 10 year old son that Nugent has allegedly never met. [15] Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
But they won't give up DHS, CIA, FBI, and .MIL. And they won't give up welfare.
i'm not the partisan one here (but you know that) and, fyi, this is the first time i've turned on fox news in years. on the rare occasion that i watch tv/MSM, it's CNN's Lou Dobbs and Campbell Brown.
koolaid now that's rich coming from the admitted poison drinker. ;)
Well I'm sure of it, indeed!
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
But of course. Usually imported, clear in colour and in a glass bottle. I've selected my poison and your selection is to obvious.
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
it is. abstention.
The REPS kicked Paul to the curb like an old dog. When the REPS got their ass whupped in the selection in NOV., they all suddenly were looking for their "core values" and wanted to get back to their "conservative constitutional roots". What a crock. The REPS, as the DEMS, are only concerned about one thing, expanding their party power and enriching their pockets with payoffs from the banks and corporations and foreign countries.
Mark If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
When the REPS got their ass whupped in the selection in NOV., they all suddenly were looking for their "core values" and wanted to get back to their "conservative constitutional roots". What a crock. The REPS, as the DEMS, are only concerned about one thing, expanding their party power and enriching their pockets with payoffs from the banks and corporations and foreign countries. i'm in complete agreement.
Why RP remains in the RParty is beyond me. Had he left, this entire movement would be his.
i'm in complete agreement ;)
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
You prissy little cock smoker you. ;-) I'm glad you finally came out to play. This should be fun you pansy little world socialist tea bagging tool. ehehe
As long as we have so many mullets invested in the R vs. D paradigm, we'll never get anywhere. We just have to keep doing whatever it is that we do to wake up the herd.
Hands down the best tea party sign of the day read: I TOLD YOU BASTARDS TO VOTE FOR RON PAUL!!! hehehe
HAHAHAHAHAHA! love it. right now in NYC, Newt Gingrich is being booed by the tea partiers!
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
oops, sorry, abrax, #40 was meant for you.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
Classic - thank you for this report. That is just tremendous and true.
Awesome!!
hehehe........Newt getting a few teabags up side the head!!! I hope they are relentless about NAFTA and the breach of Contract with America.
He isn't perfect, but he's better than Kenyan-born, commie-raised Obummer. That, and he pisses off liberals just by drawing breath. That's about all I can say about him.
_________________________________________________________________________ Hell, they wanted to try people who spoke against it for treason.
Hell, they wanted to try people who spoke against it for treason. "THEY" wanted to...who are you talking about dip squit ? You have been on Marxist Jew World Order anti-Liberty Post for far too long.
Especially since the idea for these tea parties originated among Ron Paul supporters, something I was surprised to hear Cavuto mention. As far as election coverage I remember OReilly state that he would never entertain the idea of Ron Paul as a serious candidate. And from that day on I never heard his name mentioned on Fox.
"THEY" wanted to...who are you talking about dip squit ? You have been on Marxist Jew World Order anti-Liberty Post for far too long. Republicans and conservatives. I know someone will say real conservatives didn't, but most self described conservatives are bush and mccain lovers.
this is the reason i'm thinking the majority of the partiers are Paulites.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
BULLSHIT The problem here is that there aren't enough Americans.
BULLSHIT You think its bullshit that republicans and conservatives called people traitors for voting against wars? What the fuck planet do you live on? enough intelligent Americans who give a shit.
How about "enough Americans who can read and comprehend the Constitution" ?
How about "enough Americans who can read and comprehend the Constitution" ? Not enough. They need to actually like what the Constitution says and give enough of a shit to do something about it. Conservative leaders and liberal leaders understand the constitution, they don't however believe it should be followed.
Who are these "Conservative leaders" you follow ?
Only on LP, Rhino. Not so much in the real world.
I saw some footage of this today. i saw a few good signs, including 'end the fed' and an even better one that said "WAKE UP: TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT IS HERE!" I don't know what percentage of the people at these rallies are ron paul/ truther people who are actually informed vs some people just riled up about democrat obama at the helm. i listened to hannity for about an hour today and he had caller after caller from these rallies call in and they would all start their call saying 'YER A GREAT MURIKAN SEAN' . It was too much. All the local newscasts would report these rallies saying something like 'and they got to have their say, tell government their thoughts'. Do people really think 'government' gives a shit about what they think? Only when they stop paying will they get the 'governments' attention.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. i agree with you.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. More so in the real world than LP. Just look at the last election. Your True Conservatives got about .5% of the vote. In the republican primaries the True Conservative got just about 5%. Something like 30ish% of Americans call themselves conservatives. Almost all of them are huge bush fans. You may say they aren't real conservatives, but guess what? They outnumber you 20-1, and your brand of conservative has never held power. If you don't want to be lumped in with them, get a new name for yourselves, "conservative" as a word has been tainted anyway. Its like claiming Hitler and the Nazi's weren't real Nazi's, and then calling yourself a Nazi, but getting offended when people think you like hitler. Why bother? Calling yourself the same thing that a much larger group of people call themselves is stupid, especially when you disagree with them so much.
The local am, 590, reported that 5K+ were at the capitol here.
The above comment is indicative of your total lack of concern, shallow sense of patriotism, dependence upon MSM and overt anti-social behavior. That's what I appreciate about ya, NEVER change !!!
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
I never heard whether Alex Jones was there or not. Most of the people there would have hated his guts until fairly recently for questioning the "God-ordained" "war on terror."
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
I'll bet 90+% of those in attendance yesterday ALSO filed yesterday. Probably more like 98+% really.
We need Americans. To hell with the other labels trying to identify different herds.
CRAP CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS AGAINST PERRY “Are you sick of Rick Perry’s BIG government CRAP? VOTE AGAINST RICK PERRY IN 2010! It is time to flush Rick Perry’s CRAP agenda down the toilet. Rick Perry gives a speech at a Tea Party rally but all he does is promote TAXING, TOLLING, BIG SPENDING and BIG GOVERNMENT when. What kind of big government CRAP does Rick Perry promote? CRAP #1 Trans Texas Corridor and the gargantuan, multi-billion dollar toll road fiasco. The TTC and the toll roads are the biggest TAXING, SPENDING AND TOLLING increase in the history of Texas! The toll road scam screws Texas taxpayers, consumers, drivers and landowners. Rick Perry shoved toll roads down the throats of millions of Texans. It is a prime example of the big government, pro-tax, pro-toll agenda of Rick Perry. Then he wants to sell these roads off for quick cash like a fool. CRAP #2 How about that NEW business margins tax that Rick Perry pushed through in 2007? These victims get to pay taxes on some formula of the total revenue of their companies. That means these small companies pay taxes on revenue, not income or profits. So you still pay taxes even if you are losing money!! That’s Rick Perry CRAP. CRAP #3 Rick Perry tried to mandate that all the young girls in Texas be FORCED to take an HPV vaccine! That was a tremendous invasion into the FAMILY LIVES of millions of Texans and this idiotic Big Brother CRAP is reason enough to vote for anyone but Perry. Rick Perry wants to stick a needle filled with a possibly dangerous, probably ineffective chemical into the arms of every 6th grade girl in Texas . CRAP #4 It was really tragic for Rick Perry to support the raid in the FLDS community and removal of 439 children from their parents on the basis of an out-of-state crank phone call. Think of all the tears, trauma and family destruction that Rick Perry and an out-of-control Child “Protective” Services caused when they pulled that CRAP. As of today, all but ONE of the children have been sent back to their parents; it just shows you what CRAP this case was. CRAP #5 Texas Enterprise Fund. That is Rick Perry’s slush fund to dole out your money to political supporters. Looks some socialistic/fascist CRAP to me. CRAP #6 How about that $3 Billion for medical research pork barrel for that Lance Armstrong cancer deal? More BIG GOVERNMENT from Rick Perry. Or banning smoking in all those restaurants and bars? Or the $5 door fee Rick Perry supported to TAX every patron of a topless club? What CRAP, he wants to oppress strippers and their patrons now! Whether you are at home, driving on a road, running a business, raising a daughter, or dancing at a topless bar, Rick Perry wants BIG Government to be there with you, taxing you, tolling you, sticking needles in your daughter, and taking $5 every time you go to a topless bar. It is time to flush out Rick Perry’s CRAP!
Perry is an example of the latest political opportunist trying to plant his 'flag' in front of a budding movement. Members of the RD club aren't to be trusted; it's fine to listen to them, but I wouldn't turn to them for leadership. They've had their chance and blew it.
Rick Perry is the biggest FRAUD and PHONY in American politics today. Rick Perry has done nothing but promote BIG government for 9 years. Rick Perry has pushed through a gargantuan toll road taxing and spending scheme, the biggest tax increase in Texas history, billions and billions of dollars, all for his special interest toll road friends. Not only that Perry promoted a NEW BUSINESS MARGINS TAX, a small business killer passed 2 years ago. Yet he has the nerve to come to a Tea Party anti-tax rally. I am not supporting this idiot. I am for anybody BUT Rick Perry. Then Rick Perry tried to force every 12 year girl in Texas to take a MANDATORY HPV VACCINE SHOT, a huge infringement on parental rights, with the parents forced to pay $400 for the shot. Rick Perry says he is for states rights, but HE IS FOR THE UNITED NATIONS! He goes to a Tea Party, yet he has tea time with the globalist Bilderbergers when no one is looking - TWICE he has gone there, and they sure don't believe in the US Constitution. Rick Perry is desperate; I think he is beginning to figure out that he can't win on pro-life alone, while being funded with toll road money. I am for ANYONE but Rick Perry in 2010.
Rick Perry is as bad as it gets. Rick Perry is a neocon promoting the NAU.
Not only that Perry promoted a NEW BUSINESS MARGINS TAX, a small business killer passed 2 years ago. Yet he has the nerve to come to a Tea Party anti-tax rally. I am not supporting this idiot. I am for anybody BUT Rick Perry. Then Rick Perry tried to force every 12 year girl in Texas to take a MANDATORY HPV VACCINE SHOT, a huge infringement on parental rights, with the parents forced to pay $400 for the shot. Rick Perry says he is for states rights, but HE IS FOR THE UNITED NATIONS! He goes to a Tea Party, yet he has tea time with the globalist Bilderbergers when no one is looking - TWICE he has gone there, and they sure don't believe in the US Constitution. Rick Perry is desperate; I think he is beginning to figure out that he can't win on pro-life alone, while being funded with toll road money. I am for ANYONE but Rick Perry in 2010. FUCK rick perry straight to the pit of hell !
Rick Perry is a neocon promoting the NAU. You can say that again.
i'm not so sure of that. i think most of the people there were/are the Ron Paul remnant.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
Rick Perry's populist streak is only a pre-emptive blow against the lackluster Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, who is expected to run for governor next year. Perry had 8 years to ask his daddy Bush for help on the border w/mexico, yet he remained silent because he had a role to fulfill. Only now, w/Bush in retirement, does he feel man enough to crow about the crime and filth emanating from mexico. What a HYPOCRITE, he's a day late and a dollar short in his chest- thumping.
_________________________________________________________________________ at the least. at the worst, i suspect he's up to something far more sinister.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
The Pubes aren't the answer, but Obama and his 'holes have to be beaten back into the holes they came from. Any ideas, all? I'm for getting knee deep into this movement and drive it hard right with a new party.
Collapse, burn, rinse, rebuild and move forward.
Something is going to happen soon. Things are at the breaking point.
My new motto!
Run with it !
Bring out the puppets, the show must go on!
I had some hope that Jesse 'Don't Start the Revolution without Me' Ventura would step up, but it seems that he likes living la vida loco in Mexico.
Most third party candidates were not even allowed on the ballots in many states especially the larger states. California only allowed four candidates to even be wrote in, and Ron Paul was one of the four. But most Cal voters did not realize it due to the media blockade.
Hell, they wanted to try people who spoke against it for treason. "THEY" wanted to...who are you talking about dip squit ? You have been on Marxist Jew World Order anti-Liberty Post for far too long. Aw c'mon give a poor hard working minimum wage shill a break. Poor Whore got chewed up so they had to send in the second string.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Jesse Ventura is on Willie's tour bus breathing the same air Willie does ;-)
_________________________________________________________________________ LOL!!!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That is just another + in my book. Texas may be ready for Kinky to make another run here. Most all the people that I met at our local RP meet-up group were Kinky supporters the last go-round.
I dont even know if the majority of those attending are even aware of the fed etc. and are they against the dishonest tax system in general or do they just think they pay too much? there is a difference, a key distinction there. Also, i dont begrudge people protesting yet paying,. not filing or paying is a rough way to go, just ask all the suckers in prison at the present moment. i met the lawyer involved in the bannister case, cryer or the other one, forbet his name. i asked him for video what advice he had for anyone studying this issue, he said, do not even think of not filing unless you are ready to lose EVERYHTING YOU HAVE. now finally an honest answer from a 'patriot'. i need to find that tape and post it sometime because i respected that answer much more than all the shucksters who sell their 'anti tax' 'programs' to suckers who are destroyed. even bernice kugglin, who 'won' also setttled and paid a bundle on other charges. why didnt russo mention this pesky fact? also, a friend of mine saw Kuglin speak at a ('pay-mon') conference a few yrs ago, she barely started to tell her ''success' story and broke down and was carted of stage like a basket case. and this was a 'winner'? eek.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. There. Fixed.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Better said, thanks for the edit :)
Sadly, that is good advice. It might not be if you were allowed to present your case and the average person could grasp simple enough English but the fact is that brainwashed people are the people who get on juries (at least, most of them are). You can't expect a righteous verdict from people who get their "news" from Tom Brokaw and Peter Jennings and their ilk. I believe most of the posters on here could represent themselves and do a fine job too IF the government agents (judges) would allow them to present their case(s) and if they could get jurors of their peers. And a jury of your peers, at least for most of us, would not be tv-addicted ninnies who believe in the government.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You're welcome.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. that's for sure.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. Jeff Dickstein. Cryer and Becraft give the same warning.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
This is key here. Judges, and the rest of our current system, DO NOT WANT a fully-informed jury to be impaneled.
i met dickstein and he was a nice guy but this is not the one i asked. yeah it was one of the other ones who make the speaking circuit. here he was outside talking with my friend Pete who blew his brains out later the same year after the irs came after him for 15k,, went to his work and froze his bank account. I wish i had gotten a photo of them together. Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. I think most of them would resign before they would allow some peon to present his case to a fully-informed jury. And you know the government persecutors don't want that because their conviction rates would plummet.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You're not referring to me are you, Moonie? You of "IT FELL NEAR FREE FALL SPEED SO IT HAD TO BE CONTROLLED DEMOLITION" and "BECAUSE IT DID NOT FALL AT NEAR FREE FALL SPEED IT PROVES IT WAS CONTROLLED DEMOLITION!!!" Quick...post some insane list that has absolutely no bearing on the discussion in an effort to deflect from your own stupidity.
Most third party candidates were not even allowed on the ballots in many states especially the larger states. California only allowed four candidates to even be wrote in, and Ron Paul was one of the four. But most Cal voters did not realize it due to the media blockade. They did just as bad in states where they were allowed on the ballot. The first step at correcting a problem is correctly assessing the situation. Pretending there is some huge conservative constitutionalist movement when none exists means you will never accomplish anything. The average conservative would vote for hitler before Ron Paul. They hate liberty with a passion.
Aw c'mon give a poor hard working minimum wage shill a break. Poor Whore got chewed up so they had to send in the second string. I prefer the term middle reliever. Seriously though conservatives love big government as long as a fake evangelical with an R beside his name is in charge. That may mean you aren't a conservative but then you stop calling yourself one. Everyone but True Conservatives defines conservatives as war mongering liberty hating, taxing cutting, faux moral crusaders. At this point you guys are the marxists who claim the Soviet Union wasn't really communism.
The men in white jackets are on the way; sit tight there kid.
Insult with no argument is basically an admission of defeat.
I'm not playing, kid.
I'd love to call myself a conservative, but the idiots you reference make me ashamed to be aligned with them. That's why I call myself a Constitutional conservative these days, I need some elbow-room between myself and the Pat Robertson/Hagee/Bill Kristol/Sean Hannity crowd. P.S. You're a great American, my friend ;-)
_________________________________________________________________________ How about a Constitutional Independent?
I'd love to call myself a conservative, but the idiots you reference make me ashamed to be aligned with them. That's why I call myself a Constitutional conservative these days, I need some elbow-room between myself and the Pat Robertson/Hagee/Bill Kristol/Sean Hannity crowd. I wouldn't even call yourself Constitutional Conservative, just Constitutionalists or something like that. Conservative means to most people, diehard republican.
Really? Because it sure looks like you are.
You watch too much porn. How much is enough ? Your mileage will vary.
I stopped referring to myself as a "conservative" years ago. If I choose any label it is a Paleocon/Paleolibertarian Constitutionalist. However, I have friends across the political spectrum from Republican Activists to Hand Wringing Naderites. I just try to confound them by forcing them to think and look. They find it most annoying. It is so much easier to slip into the label game and say "I'm an X" and so therefore "I MUST" believe "Y" and adhere to that even if it sometimes makes my stomach turn because I just know the other guys are evil". My patrilineal ancestors were settled and long established (more than a century) before the Revolutionary War (my Indian ancestors were here a "bit" before that). True conservatives find most of those who call themselves conservatives to be repugnant to the very beliefs they claim they espouse. The attempt to characterize them as you delineate is a result of the ongoing campaign of propaganda and psychological manipulation which is conducted in the media. You simply prove yourself a shill or very thoroughly indoctrinated and unthinking individual by repeating the drumbeat of media programming. It is exactly like the Dildoeheads who slavishly hang on every belch and tag line uttered by the Maha Junkie, Sean Vannity, Neil BOORtz, Michael Deadved, et. al., .... The words may be different but the song remains the same. Conservatism, true conservatism, is a philosophy arrived at by thought and contemplation - through careful examination and a thoughtful weighing of alternatives. It is not the kneejerk PsyOp conditioned reactions of those who are disinformed and programmed by mass media. The truth be known conservatives, true conservatives, are scary to our would-be slave masters. However the problem with true conservatives is that they are conservative and thus are afraid of any change or difference which is why I am not either a conservative or a Neo-Socialist (aka "liberal"). Both are fixated upon a viewpoint that is the result of mass manipulation via some very sophisticated social programming. Read my tag line newly and in a new unit of time. Both mainstream conservatism and liberalism are fixated upon materialist solutions to spiritual problems. You don't fix a lost soul with modern military hardware or by supporting them at someone else's expense. Oh, and what is wrong with tax cuts? Do you believe that people do not have the right to the produce of their own labor? It wasn't. At least not as that welfare queen Karl Marx and his Plutocratic "Patron" Friedrich Engels theorized. Communism as practiced in the Soviet Union and in China are just another form of total state wherein the State is All and the individual nothing. Of course to a certain low and diseased mindset individualism is a bad thing. "Of course the State has the right to direct your life, control your activities, and keep you in bondage." After all isn't that what states are for? I am minded of H. L. Mencken's commentary on liberals: "I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
You watch too much porn. How much is enough ? Your mileage will vary. That is a pretty bizarre comment.
I'm trying to sink down to your level for a spell to better understand how you could be so fucked up. ;-)
Bzzzzzzzzzzz. Swat!
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I ALWAYS LOVED THAT ONE
And my point is that they, like you, should stop calling themselves conservatives, and should stop consorting with them. This entire line of debate started because I called conservatives hypocrites and a small gov paleo took offense. If you guys don't want to get lumped in with GOPbots, stop lumping yourself in with GOPbots. There is no such thing as the one conservative philosophy, which is kind of my point. Conservative gets redefined at least once a generation. That is unless you mean the literal definition, one who wants society to remain the same. In which case almost nobody who calls themselves conservatives are. Tax cuts aren't possible without spending cuts. And about 2/3% of our discretionary budget is spent on war, military and paying off other countries. Most people at these rallies, the GOP style conservatives refuse to cut defense, one penny. And in fact claim we should be spending more, fighting more wars. Large tax cuts are impossible with gutting the US military, or ending all entitlement programs. And even then we'd all just stop paying the 8% SS + MC tax. A right to all of it? No. Taxation should be fair, but clearly the Constitution allows for taxation. Your problem is you define "directing" your life, and controlling activities as anything beyond the level of control you call for, then demonize. The path between total anarchy and total tyranny is continuous. You pretend it is binary. What level of taxation is tyrannical?
I'm trying to sink down to your level for a spell to better understand how you could be so fucked up. ;-) I imagine only remembering the Clinton and Bush administrations is a trauma that you can't completely recreate.
Specifically what does it allow for ?
Sure it does and no one said otherwise. The problem comes when the government bastardizes the English language to extract a tax on an item most people never had and never will have ("income"). Properly understood, the word means "the profit or gain derived from an investment or from engaging in some type of privileged activity." No one who works for wages or a salary in an occupation of common right has ever had any income, at least not from their job.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Bingo! We have a winner.
Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; No capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.* No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration. * *The income tax would be unconstitutional before the 16th amendment but now is legal.
Thank you kindly.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Sure it is, or would be if it were lawfully applied. It isn't in most cases.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Well I don't think its organized, more like the business class all belief in the same economic and political theory, and buy off the political class. But basically I agree. A defacto cabal.
Your problem is your attempt to misdefine the beliefs of others through your own ideological prism. I define directing my life as any attempt by an over arching authority to direct my individual non-threatening of another behavior i.e., my likes, dislikes, or activities. It is not the province of a government of a free people to intrude and micromanage the affairs and activities of the free citizenry. Any amount beyond that needed to pay for the necessaries of a free society i.e., Courts, Coinage, and defense against aggression by other states - at the federal level, and at the State and local level you could add legitimate public safety (Fire and Police), sanitation (including potable water), and roads. Taxation becomes tyrannical when it becomes so suppressive that a formerly free citizenry MUST perform and conform to taxation which impedes their exercise of their natural liberty and/or is used for any purpose other than necessaries as previously defined. Taxation is tyrannical when tax laws are used to force others to conform to standards imposed by another, or for the benefit of another able bodied individual. It is NEVER justified to support a private for profit enterprise. It is tyrannical when it becomes so high, through graft and corruption - as it now is, that it threatens the survival of the individual to support unjustified activities by the State.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Your argument is semantics and to tell you the truth I don't even think the semantics argument hold, but it doesn't matter. The original intent of the 16th amendment was to authorize wage, capital gains, property gain and profit taxes. There was an income tax on wages, that was called an income tax, before the amendment was even written.
Your argument is semantics and to tell you the truth I don't even think the semantics argument hold, but it doesn't matter. The original intent of the 16th amendment was to authorize wage, capital gains, property gain and profit taxes. There was an income tax on wages, that was called an income tax, before the amendment was even written. However, no income tax was authorized or written into the original Constitution of the United States. The 16th amendment which purports to authorize such taxation, by the accumulating weight of evidence, was never legally ratified under that Constitution and was imposed by dictat - illegally so. However, one cannot get an honest hearing on the matter in any of the corrupt courts of the land. The "We the People" Foundation has proven this as they have been rebuffed at all levels of government - including the Congress which first agreed to accept the matter under the right of petition but then deleted it from the calendar and will not accept any consideration of it regardless of weight of evidence. Further, unknown to most people, the IRS is not a Government Agency but a Private Corporation. The sole function of the "Income" Tax, semantics aside, is to fund the Feral Reserve and pay off the Banksters who have assumed control of our government.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I've heard this claimed but as far as I can tell it was ratified by 42/48 states. The IRS is a federal agency that is part of the Department of the Treasury.
That is a yes and no. Philander Knox's words were not that it had been ratified but that it "was in effect". To be validly ratified it has to be passed in the State Legislatures exactly as written and presented. Several states modified the wording to suit their own preferences, and one (Tennessee if I recall) passed a measure stating the exact opposite but was counted as one of the states that ratified. There were other irregularities which memory fails me on, but it has all been documented with court certified documents. There are assertions by interested parties who benefit that it was ratified but the evidence suggests strongly that it fell short of the required 3/4 of the states. Guess again buckwheat. Although the IRS uses Treasury Dept. Letterhead it is not legally a part of the Treasury Department. A very interesting court case illustrated this last year. The IRS brought up a failure to file charge on a gentleman for not filing. When the Defense presented their brief the Government withdrew its case, WITH PREJUDICE meaning that it cannot again be reopened. Why? The Defense's argument rested solely on the point that in order to be required to file all government forms, per the Paperwork Reduction Act, must have a valid OMB control number justifying why the information is required. The law applies only to Federal Government Agencies and you must be a government agency to be able to get a valid OMB number. The current IRS 1040 DOES NOT have a valid OMB number. It has an OMB number on it but it is not valid and is thus a fraudulent misrepresentatation as was illustrated by the haste with which the government withdrew their case. (Edited to provide a more easily readable form: Data on the Lear Case
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Is there a version with paragraph formatting? Thank you.
Fixed - I was able to find a better, original, copy on the "We The People" Foundation Web Site.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Thank you - these old eyes need all the help that they can get.
You are most welcome. I wasn't happy with the original reference either.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
The 16th amendment which purports to authorize such taxation, by the accumulating weight of evidence, was never legally ratified under that Constitution and was imposed by dictat - illegally so. However, one cannot get an honest hearing on the matter in any of the corrupt courts of the land. The "We the People" Foundation has proven this as they have been rebuffed at all levels of government - including the Congress which first agreed to accept the matter under the right of petition but then deleted it from the calendar and will not accept any consideration of it regardless of weight of evidence. Further, unknown to most people, the IRS is not a Government Agency but a Private Corporation. The sole function of the "Income" Tax, semantics aside, is to fund the Feral Reserve and pay off the Banksters who have assumed control of our government. Let me know if the 'roo learns anything.
All arguments are "semantics." You sound a lot like the establishments "judges" who have no idea what words mean. Only what they have been told by someone even dumber than they are.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The 16th amendment which purports to authorize such taxation, by the accumulating weight of evidence, was never legally ratified under that Constitution and was imposed by dictat - illegally so. However, one cannot get an honest hearing on the matter in any of the corrupt courts of the land. The "We the People" Foundation has proven this as they have been rebuffed at all levels of government - including the Congress which first agreed to accept the matter under the right of petition but then deleted it from the calendar and will not accept any consideration of it regardless of weight of evidence. Further, unknown to most people, the IRS is not a Government Agency but a Private Corporation. The sole function of the "Income" Tax, semantics aside, is to fund the Feral Reserve and pay off the Banksters who have assumed control of our government. Yeah, it is a crooked racket or scam. What people need to do is to stop using the word "income" to mean "everything that comes in." People have been brainwashed to accept that "daffynition" and it is total bs. Income is a profit or gain (all are synonymous terms) derived from an investment of capital or from participation in privileged activities or occupations. No tax is due from people who earn a living by engaging in labor in an occupation of common right. There IS a way that one can derive income from labor--the labor of other people. If you have people who work for you and who make money for you over and above what you pay them--and if they didn't why would you hire and keep them?--that meets the definition of income FROM labor. Not your own labor but that of others who are putting profits in your pockets.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. No, it isn't. I have seen their incorporation papers. The government agency which existed at one time was known as the Bureau of Internal Revenue. The IRS is the collection agency for another private corporation, the Federal Reserve.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. No they aren't. Income tax means takes on wages, and meant taxes on wages before the amendment was written. The purpose of the amendment is clear, the original intent is clear. There is no debate. Your argument is akin to arguing written newspapers don't have freedom since they aren't pressed.
No, it isn't. I have seen their incorporation papers. The government agency which existed at one time was known as the Bureau of Internal Revenue. The IRS is the collection agency for another private corporation, the Federal Reserve. Lets see them because that would be very interesting. Other sources are saying the IRS was created during the Civil War, much before the Fed was created.
Man, you seriously are a brainwashed tool or big G statist deceiver. You took your time coming out; kudos on that.
No but I downloaded the audio book and keep forgetting it to email it to my work email. I tried once but the dam spam filter thought it was a virus or scam.
Yes, it does mean they TAKE the wages (of most) through a corrupt and wrongly applied "law." And of course there is a "debate" about it. The Constitution says (in Article III) that the "compensation" of the statist whores--er, I mean "judges"--can't be diminished. Does it "diminish" their compensation to claim that it is something it is not and steal part of it? People who argue that it would not diminish their compensation would also argue the sky is a deep, deep red if their masters told them it was.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I didn't say I had them. I said I had seen them (and I have, probably fifteen or twenty years ago). And I told you already, the government agency was called the BUREAU OF INTERNAL REVENUE, NOT the Internal Revenue Service.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You took your time coming out; kudos on that. You don't get to have your own set of facts. Income tax in 1913 meant wage tax. They knew what they were voting for.
The government closes and reopens agencies all the time. Creating new bureaucracies is what the government does. How many federal law enforcement agencies are there that do the same thing? Why create the FBI when we have US Marshals?
For thinking you're so smart you're pretty dense.
The FBI was created because they were to be "the untouchables", meaning not corruptable by organized crime. Other FedGov agents were taking bribes/payoffs by Al Capone/etc and FedGov didn't have a way to fight moonshiners/bootleggers/gangsters in an effective manner.
_________________________________________________________________________ I suppose you even believe the Federal Reserve is a branch or agency of the government. It isn't and the IRS is just another private corporation who act as the collection agency for them. But keep on deluding yourself. You aren't hurting anyone but yourself.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I am going to attempt to explain to you just one more time--the word "income" means profit or gain (and those terms are synonymous). No one has acquired any "profit" when he exchanges his labor (which is his property) for another type of property. There is no profit in an equal exchange. It is an equal exchange because it is what one person agreed to work for and what the party they work for agreed to pay them. Assuming the person who is getting the work done isn't robbing the person they hire through payroll deductions and is paying the agreed upon amount, that is an equal exchange. Not income. Anyone who argues otherwise doesn't have any understanding of common law or a very good understanding of basic English.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I am going to attempt to explain to you just one more time--the word "income" means profit or gain (and those terms are synonymous). No one has acquired any "profit" when he exchanges his labor (which is his property) for another type of property. And I'm going to tell you one more time. In 1913 and in 2009 a wage tax is called an income tax. The amendment was intended to allow a wage tax. You must look at the original intent of the amendment.
I suppose you even believe the Federal Reserve is a branch or agency of the government. No I do not. Its a fucking agency. Its not a corporation, it has no shareholders, and reports directly to the Treasury. I should know better then to debate conspiracy theorists since there is no such thing as reality to you. Just what you want to believe and what you don't want to believe. Its sad really, especially since the ones here actually mean well.
You should know better than to attempt to debate people older and wiser than you. You have much to learn but you will have to open your mind to it first and you don't seem to be much of a candidate for that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Dust your feet and leave the little cramp be IMO. He's a time wasting shill for the status quo.
He's a time wasting shill for the status quo. Yeah, sadly enough that seems to be the case.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Acatually, not wholly correct. An income tax would have been constitutional had it been levied proportionately...
Lord Acton
#2. To: christine (#0)
All are saying that this is not about partisan politics.
#3. To: christine (#0)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#4. To: X-15 (#3)
But, but, MSNBC said this was the last gasp of the R's!! Chris "The Smirk" Mathews and David Shuster/Rachel Madcow didn't mention the involvement of non- R's!!!
Lord Acton
#5. To: James Deffenbach (#4)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#6. To: christine (#0)
There are $5k+ in attendance.
#7. To: X-15 (#5)
More likely he'll get the "buckwheats" seeing all the Americans opposing FedGov.
Lord Acton
#8. To: christine (#0)
Republicans, Democrats, Conservatives, Liberals, Libertarians. All are saying that this is not about partisan politics.
#9. To: Brian S (#8)
#10. To: Sam Houston (#6)
Freudian slip there, I think.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#11. To: Rotara (#10)
#12. To: Sam Houston (#11)
I only oppose the Dems with about half the fiber of my being.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#13. To: Sam Houston (#11)
although it's not good to laugh at a man dying from cancer.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#14. To: Rotara (#12)
#15. To: X-15 (#13)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#16. To: Sam Houston (#14)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#17. To: Rotara (#16)
(Edited)
#18. To: Sam Houston (#11)
The GOPers aren't even funny. At least you can get a few laughs out of Ted Kennedy and the like, although it's not good to laugh at a man dying from cancer. You might not mind, though.
Lord Acton
#19. To: Brian S (#8)
BTW...I wonder where they were a year ago when Little Lord Pissy Pants was still the 'decider'?
#20. To: christine (#0)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#21. To: christine (#19)
well said bump
#22. To: christine (#19)
no one is falling for any neocon bullshit, brian. your beloved democrats are neocons/neolibs with the same agenda of anti-american sovereignty.
Lord Acton
#23. To: christine (#19)
some of them probably voted for change which they now realize they didn't get.
#24. To: Itistoolate (#17)
#25. To: X-15 (#20)
Obama must be shitting bricks at the symbolism somebody like him can't get away with using....
When Nugent turned 30, in 1978, he began a relationship with a 17-year old Hawaiian girl, Pele Massa, and became her legal guardian to comply with laws pertaining to relationships with minors. This was covered in VH1's 1998 Behind the Music featuring Nugent, and included an interview with Massa
#26. To: christine (#0)
There are $5k+ in attendance. Republicans, Democrats, Conservatives, Liberals, Libertarians. All are saying that this is not about partisan politics. Folks are united and fed up with fed spending!
#27. To: Brian S (#23)
#28. To: Brian S (#23)
(Edited)
#29. To: christine (#27)
this is the first time i've turned on fox news in years
#30. To: christine (#28)
admitted poison drinker. ;)
#31. To: Brian S (#30)
(Edited)
your selection is to obvious.
#32. To: christine (#19)
Where were they when Ron Paul was running?
#33. To: Kamala (#32)
The REPS kicked Paul to the curb like an old dog.
#34. To: christine, all (#33)
This nails it - thanks.
#35. To: lodwick, christine, kamala, all (#34)
#36. To: Jethro Tull (#35)
#37. To: Brian S (#23)
(Edited)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#38. To: Jethro Tull, christine, Sam Houston, shooters (#35)
#39. To: Jethro Tull, christine, kamala, lodwick (#35)
Why RP remains in the RParty is beyond me. Had he left, this entire movement would be his.
#40. To: litus (#39)
#41. To: abraxas (#39)
#42. To: abraxas (#39)
Hands down the best tea party sign of the day read: I TOLD YOU BASTARDS TO VOTE FOR RON PAUL!!!
#43. To: christine (#40)
Newt Gingrich is being booed by the tea partiers!
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#44. To: christine (#40)
Newt Gingrich is being booed by the tea partiers!
#45. To: Brian S (#25)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#46. To: Sam Houston (#6)
Very few of them had a problem with the federal spending while Bushco was blowing it on the bogus wars.
#47. To: Rhino369 (#46)
Very few of them had a problem with the federal spending while Bushco was blowing it on the bogus wars.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#48. To: Brian S (#23)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#49. To: christine (#19)
you're right about that as far as the Fox coverage of this. where were they when Ron Paul was running?
#50. To: Rotara (#47)
#51. To: mininggold (#49)
Especially since the idea for these tea parties originated among Ron Paul supporters,
#52. To: Rhino369 (#50)
bullshit
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#53. To: Rotara (#52)
The problem here is that there aren't enough Americans.
#54. To: Rhino369 (#53)
(Edited)
enough intelligent Americans who give a shit.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#55. To: Rotara (#54)
#56. To: Rhino369 (#55)
Conservative leaders
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#57. To: Rhino369 (#50)
but most self described conservatives are bush and mccain lovers.
#58. To: christine (#0)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#59. To: Sam Houston (#6)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#60. To: abraxas (#57)
Only on LP, Rhino. Not so much in the real world.
#61. To: christine, all (#0)
#62. To: lodwick (#61)
The local am, 590, reported that 5K+ were at the capitol here.
#63. To: lodwick (#61)
#64. To: Artisan (#58)
Only when they stop paying will they get the 'governments' attention.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#65. To: Rhino369 (#60)
You may say they aren't real conservatives, but guess what? They outnumber you 20-1, and your brand of conservative has never held power. If you don't want to be lumped in with them, get a new name for yourselves, "conservative" as a word has been tainted anyway. Its like claiming Hitler and the Nazi's weren't real Nazi's, and then calling yourself a Nazi, but getting offended when people think you like hitler. Why bother?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#66. To: Sam Houston, noone222, Texans (#63)
Here's part of an email from our local RP meet-up group -
#67. To: lodwick (#66)
Bump that CRAP !
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#68. To: lodwick, all (#66)
#69. To: Jethro Tull. Texicans, and Texicans at heart here (#68)
Here's more of that email -
#70. To: lodwick (#69)
I am for ANYONE but Rick Perry in 2010.
#71. To: lodwick (#69)
Rick Perry is the biggest FRAUD and PHONY in American politics today. Rick Perry has done nothing but promote BIG government for 9 years. Rick Perry has pushed through a gargantuan toll road taxing and spending scheme, the biggest tax increase in Texas history, billions and billions of dollars, all for his special interest toll road friends.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#72. To: TwentyTwelve (#70)
Rick Perry is as bad as it gets.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#73. To: Sam Houston (#63)
Most of the people there would have hated his guts
#74. To: lodwick, Rotara, christine, Jethro Tull, TwentyTwelve, Critter, esso, Brian S., Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, IndieTX, scrapper2, farmfriend, itisalmosttoolate, christine, buckeye (#69)
(Edited)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#75. To: X-15 (#74)
Rick Perry's populist streak is only a pre-emptive blow against the lackluster Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison,
#76. To: X-15, all (#74)
#77. To: Jethro Tull (#76)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#78. To: Jethro Tull (#76)
#79. To: Rotara (#77)
Collapse, burn, rinse, rebuild and move forward.
#80. To: Jethro Tull (#79)
LOL
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#81. To: X-15 (#74)
What a HYPOCRITE, he's a day late and a dollar short in his chest- thumping.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#82. To: Jethro Tull, everyone here (#76)
#83. To: Rhino369 (#60)
More so in the real world than LP. Just look at the last election. Your True Conservatives got about .5% of the vote. In the republican primaries the True Conservative got just about 5%. Something like 30ish% of Americans call themselves conservatives. Almost all of them are huge bush fans.
#84. To: Rotara, Whino666, rhino369, Whore, war, all (#47)
Very few of them had a problem with the federal spending while Bushco was blowing it on the bogus wars.
#85. To: lodwick (#82)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#86. To: Original_Intent (#84)
Aw c'mon give a poor hard working minimum wage shill a break. Poor Whore got chewed up so they had to send in the second string.
Lord Acton
#87. To: X-15. Texans (#85)
Jesse Ventura is on Willie's tour bus breathing the same air Willie does.
#88. To: Rotara, christine, original_intent, twentytwelve (#64)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#89. To: Jethro Tull (#68)
Perry is an example of the latest political
opportunist whore trying to plant his 'flag' in front of a budding movement.
Lord Acton
#90. To: James Deffenbach (#89)
#91. To: Artisan (#88)
he said, do not even think of not filing unless you are ready to lose EVERYHTING YOU HAVE.
Lord Acton
#92. To: Jethro Tull (#90)
Lord Acton
#93. To: James Deffenbach (#91)
And a jury of your peers, at least for most of us, would not be tv-addicted ninnies who believe in the government.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#94. To: Artisan (#88)
he said, do not even think of not filing unless you are ready to lose EVERYHTING YOU HAVE.
#95. To: James Deffenbach (#91)
And a jury of your peers, at least for most of us, would not be tv-addicted ninnies who believe in the government.
#96. To: christine (#94)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#97. To: lodwick (#95)
Judges, and the rest of our current system, DO NOT WANT a fully-informed jury to be impaneled.
Lord Acton
#98. To: Original_Intent (#84)
Poor Whore got chewed up so they had to send in the second string.
#99. To: mininggold (#83)
#100. To: Original_Intent (#84)
#101. To: Rhino369 (#100)
At this point you guys are the marxists who claim the Soviet Union wasn't really communism.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#102. To: Rotara (#101)
The men in white jackets are on the way; sit tight there kid.
#103. To: Rhino369 (#102)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#104. To: Rhino369 (#100)
(Edited)
Seriously though conservatives love big government as long as a fake evangelical with an R beside his name is in charge.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#105. To: X-15 (#104)
#106. To: X-15 (#104)
#107. To: Rotara (#103)
I'm not playing, kid.
#108. To: Rhino369 (#107)
Because it sure looks like you are.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#109. To: Rhino369 (#100)
(Edited)
Seriously though conservatives love big government as long as a fake evangelical with an R beside his name is in charge. That may mean you aren't a conservative but then you stop calling yourself one.
Everyone but True Conservatives defines conservatives as war mongering liberty hating, taxing cutting, faux moral crusaders.
At this point you guys are the marxists who claim the Soviet Union wasn't really communism.
"The believing mind reaches its perihelion in the so-called Liberals. They believe each and every quack who sets up his booth on the fairgrounds, including the Communists. The Communists have some talents too, but they always stop short of believing in the Liberals." ~
(H. L. Mencken, "A Book Of Burlesques", reprinted in "A Mencken Chrestomathy", 1949, p. 616)
#110. To: Rotara (#108)
#111. To: Rhino369 (#110)
That is a pretty bizarre comment.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#112. To: war (#98)
#113. To: Original_Intent (#109)
Dildoeheads
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#114. To: Original_Intent (#109)
True conservatives find most of those who call themselves conservatives to be repugnant to the very beliefs they claim they espouse.
Conservatism, true conservatism, is a philosophy arrived at by thought and contemplation - through careful examination and a thoughtful weighing of alternatives.
Oh, and what is wrong with tax cuts?
Do you believe that people do not have the right to the produce of their own labor?
Of course to a certain low and diseased mindset individualism is a bad thing. "Of course the State has the right to direct your life, control your activities, and keep you in bondage." After all isn't that what states are for?
#115. To: Rotara (#111)
#116. To: Rhino369 (#114)
Taxation should be fair, but clearly the Constitution allows for taxation.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#117. To: Rhino369 (#115)
It's all one big illegal administration run by the cabal.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#118. To: Rhino369 (#114)
A right to all of it? No. Taxation should be fair, but clearly the Constitution allows for taxation.
Lord Acton
#119. To: James Deffenbach, wage earners here (#118)
No one who works for wages or a salary in an occupation of common right has ever had any income, at least not from their job.
#120. To: Rotara (#116)
(Edited)
Specifically what does it allow for ?
#121. To: lodwick (#119)
Lord Acton
#122. To: Rhino369 (#120)
*The income tax would be unconstitutional before the 16th amendment but now is.
Lord Acton
#123. To: Rotara (#117)
It's all one big illegal administration run by the cabal.
#124. To: Rhino369 (#114)
Your problem is you define "directing" your life, and controlling activities as anything beyond the level of control you call for, then demonize. The path between total anarchy and total tyranny is continuous. You pretend it is binary.
What level of taxation is tyrannical?
#125. To: James Deffenbach (#118)
Sure it does and no one said otherwise. The problem comes when the government bastardizes the English language to extract a tax on an item most people never had and never will have ("income"). Properly understood, the word means "the profit or gain derived from an investment or from engaging in some type of privileged activity." No one who works for wages or a salary in an occupation of common right has ever had any income, at least not from their job.
#126. To: Rhino369, James Deffenbach, Rotara, all (#125)
Sure it does and no one said otherwise. The problem comes when the government bastardizes the English language to extract a tax on an item most people never had and never will have ("income"). Properly understood, the word means "the profit or gain derived from an investment or from engaging in some type of privileged activity." No one who works for wages or a salary in an occupation of common right has ever had any income, at least not from their job.
#127. To: Original_Intent (#126)
by the accumulating weight of evidence, was never legally ratified under that Constitution and was imposed by dictat - illegally so
Further, unknown to most people, the IRS is not a Government Agency but a Private Corporation.
#128. To: Rhino369 (#127)
(Edited)
I've heard this claimed but as far as I can tell it was ratified by 42/48 states.
Further, unknown to most people, the IRS is not a Government Agency but a Private Corporation.
The IRS is a federal agency that is part of the Department of the Treasury.
#129. To: Original_Intent (#128)
#130. To: lodwick (#129)
#131. To: Original_Intent (#130)
#132. To: lodwick (#131)
#133. To: Original_Intent (#126)
However, no income tax was authorized or written into the original Constitution of the United States.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#134. To: Original_Intent (#128)
Bravo !
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#135. To: Rhino369 (#125)
Your argument is semantics and to tell you the truth I don't even think the semantics argument hold, but it doesn't matter. The original intent of the 16th amendment was to authorize wage, capital gains, property gain and profit taxes. There was an income tax on wages, that was called an income tax, before the amendment was even written.
Lord Acton
#136. To: Original_Intent (#126)
However, no income tax was authorized or written into the original Constitution of the United States.
Lord Acton
#137. To: Rhino369 (#127)
The IRS is a federal agency that is part of the Department of the Treasury.
Lord Acton
#138. To: James Deffenbach (#135)
All arguments are "semantics."
You sound a lot like the establishments "judges" who have no idea what words mean. Only what they have been told by someone even dumber than they are.
#139. To: James Deffenbach (#137)
#140. To: Rhino369 (#138)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#141. To: Rhino369 (#139)
I doubt you ever actually got off your ass and read The Creature from Jekyll Island, correct ?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#142. To: Rotara (#141)
I doubt you ever actually got off your ass and read The Creature from Jekyll Island, correct ?
#143. To: Rhino369 (#138)
Income tax means takes on wages
Lord Acton
#144. To: Rhino369 (#139)
Lets see them because that would be very interesting.
Lord Acton
#145. To: Rotara (#140)
Man, you seriously are a brainwashed tool or big G statist deceiver.
#146. To: James Deffenbach (#144)
And I told you already, the government agency was called the BUREAU OF INTERNAL REVENUE, NOT the Internal Revenue Service.
#147. To: Rhino369 (#145)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#148. To: Rhino369 (#146)
Why create the FBI when we have US Marshals?
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#149. To: Rhino369 (#146)
The government closes and reopens agencies all the time. Creating new bureaucracies is what the government does. How many federal law enforcement agencies are there that do the same thing? Why create the FBI when we have US Marshals?
Lord Acton
#150. To: Rhino369 (#145)
Income tax in 1913 meant wage tax.
Lord Acton
#151. To: James Deffenbach (#150)
#152. To: James Deffenbach (#149)
It isn't and the IRS is just another private corporation who act as the collection agency for them. But keep on deluding yourself. You aren't hurting anyone but yourself.
#153. To: Rhino369 (#152)
I should know better then to debate conspiracy theorists
Lord Acton
#154. To: James Deffenbach (#153)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#155. To: Rotara (#154)
Dust your feet and leave the little cramp be IMO.
Lord Acton
#156. To: Rhino369 (#120)
*The income tax would be unconstitutional before the 16th amendment but now is legal.
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