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Title: Anderson Cooper 360 - It's hard to talk when you're tea-bagging (CS'er Alert)
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Published: Apr 15, 2009
Author: ErlangerTruth
Post Date: 2009-04-16 12:03:25 by Rotara
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#50. To: ferret mike (#49)

It's a shame alright.

You shill for the enemy.

And you whine a lot too.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   23:27:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Ferret Mike, christine (#9)
(Edited)

I am anything but quiet. As far as 4UM goes it too often is a venue encouraging rhetorical lynching of anyone not weighing in with the chorus people like you approve of. The anti-free speech, anti-Constitutional lynch mobbing people like you love.

This is on you and no sweat off my balls.

This might be an important propaganda tool to you as you work to prevent free speech, but your intolerance, mean spirited desire to censor and eliminate all those who don't think exactly like you is your flaw, idiocy and problem, not mine.

You and other anti-free speech goonbahs are the quient ones as you effectively dive away free speech and marginalize the forum. I have this in a very accurate perspective and while I feel sad at what you do to this joint, it does not frustrate nor silence me in the least. What time and thought I do not contribute here still exists, I just don't waste as much time here in this no free speech forum.

Have I ever violated your attempt to speak or attempted to prevent you from speaking?

On several occasions I have engaged you in substantive debate and each and every time you found yourself in a position where you would be forced to admit to the truth of our current situation rather than engage in intellectual honesty you vacated the thread making yourself scarce.

A forum such as this is not the place for someone choosing to fit themselves with blinders, and I think the problem you are faced with is that you do not wish to remove the blinders. It is you who wishes an echo chamber and amen corner. I quite frankly don't give a shit whether someone disagrees with me or calls me names. I learned long ago that such are simply to be pointed out for what they are and then continue to make my point. And despite invitations by you, via your own tasteless personal attacks, I have refrained from engaging in "Flame Wars". (Which by the way I am very good at. I have lots of experience.)

Mikey? Would you like some cheese?

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-17   23:48:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Original_Intent (#51)

On several occasions I have engaged you in substantive debate and each and every time you found yourself in a position where you would be forced to admit to the truth of current situation. Rather than engage in intellectual honesty you vacated the thread and instead of responding made yourself scarce.

Which is why I rattle that POS's cage every chance I get.

He's earned everything and more.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   23:50:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Ferret Mike, christine (#49)

The point I make is simple; to respect others enough to not always either try to kick them in the balls rhetorically and try to dehumanize and belittle.

Oh, spare me. There have been several occasions where you engaged in unprovoked ad hominems against me when you were on the losing end of a debate.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-17   23:51:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Original_Intent, ferret mike, WEASEL NAU AMNESTY LOVING WORLD SOCIALIST (#53)

He won't ever own up to Obamalamadingdong's long list of cabal members he's surrounded himself by.

maybe this time he will (lol):

Please defend your boy's peeps, mikey.

Obama's White House Cabinet Filled With Bilderbergers... So, What Has Changed?... Nothing.

Submitted by SadInAmerica on Tue, 12/30/2008 - 11:16am.

For two years, the American people have heard an unrelenting mantra of change emanating from the campaign trail. But now that President-elect Barack Obama has begun forming his cabinet, we’re seeing a cadre of more deeply entrenched insiders than any administration that has preceded it.

In regard to key foreign policy advisors, all three of Obama’s selections either initially supported the Iraq war, or still do. On the economic front, each appointee maintains a close relationship with the Jewish triad of Ben Bernanke, Robert Rubin and Alan Greenspan—as well as bailout engineer Henry Paulson. Barack Obama himself is a Council on Foreign Relations member, has strong ties to Zbigniew Brzezinski, and participated in a clandestine meeting with Hillary Clinton at Bilderberg member Diane Feinstein’s house at the time when 2008 Bilderberg members were congregating only a few miles away.


Below is an overview of Obama’s top 14 selections to date. When considering their collective histories, a trend becomes clear, proving that the more things change under...

1. TIMOTHY GEITHNER – TREASURY SECRETARY

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, president and CEO of Federal Reserve Bank of New York, director of policy development for IMF, member Group of Thirty (G30), employed at Kissinger & Associates, architect of the recent 2008 financial bailouts, mentored by Lawrence Summers and Robert Rubin.

2. PAUL VOLCKER – ECONOMIC RECOVERY ADVISORY BOARD

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, North American chairman of Trilateral Commission, Federal Reserve chairman during Carter and Reagan administrations, president of Federal Reserve Bank of New York, G30 member, chairman Rothschild Wolfensohn Company, key figure in the collapse of the gold standard during the Nixon administration, longtime associate of the Rockefeller family.


3. RAHM EMANUEL – CHIEF OF STAFF

Member of Israeli Defense Force, staunch Zionist, congressman, Board of Directors for Freddie Mac, member of Bill Clinton’s finance campaign committee, made $16.2 million during 2.5 years as an investment banker for Wasserstein Perella. His father was a member of the Israeli Irgun terrorist group.

4. LAWRENCE SUMMERS – NATIONAL ECONOMIC COUNCIL

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, treasury secretary during Clinton administration, chief economist at World Bank, former president of Harvard University, Brookings Institute board member, huge proponent of globalization while working for the IMF, protŠ01; of David Rockefeller, mentored by Robert Rubin.

5. DAVID AXELROD – SENIOR ADVISOR


Political consultant whose past clients include Sens. Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and Christopher Dodd; main Obama fixer in the William Ayers and Reverend Wright scandals.

6. HILLARY CLINTON – SECRETARY OF STATE

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, clandestine CIA asset used to infiltrate the anti-war movement at Yale University and the Watergate hearings, senior partner at the Rose Law Firm, key figure in the Mena drug trafficking affair, architect of the Waco disaster, implicated in the murder/ cover-up of Vince Foster, and many other deaths.

7. JOSEPH BIDEN – VICE PRESIDENT

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, U.S. Senator since 1972, member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, current chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, strong Zionist sympathizer who recently told Rabbi Mark S. Golub of Shalom TV, “I am a Zionist. You don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist.”

8. BILL RICHARDSON – COMMERCE SECRETARY


Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, former U.S. congressman, chairman of the Democratic National Convention in 2004, employee of Kissinger Associates, UN ambassador, governor of New Mexico, energy secretary, major player in the Monica Lewinsky cover-up with Bilderberg luminary Vernon Jordan.

9. ROBERT GATES – DEFENSE SECRETARY

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, former CIA Director, defense secretary under President Bush, co-chaired CFR task force with Zbigniew Brzezinski, knee-deep in the Iran-Contra scandal, named in a 1999 class action lawsuit pertaining to the Mena drug trafficking affair.

10. TOM DASCHLE – HEALTH SECRETARY

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, former Senate majority leader, Citibank lackey, mentored by Robert Rubin.

11. ERIC HOLDER – ATTORNEY GENERAL

Key person in the pardon of racketeer Marc Rich, deputy attorney general under Janet Reno, facilitated the pardon of 16 Puerto Rican FALN terrorists under Bill Clinton.

12. JANET NAPOLITANO – HOMELAND SECURITY DIRECTOR

Council on Foreign Relations, Arizona governor, attorney for Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas hearings, U.S. attorney during the Clinton administration, instrumental in the OKC cover-up, where she declared, “We’ll pursue every bit of evidence and every lead,” described as another Janet Reno, soft on illegal immigration (i.e. pro-amnesty and drivers licenses to illegals).

13. GEN. JAMES L. JONES – NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR

Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, European supreme allied commander, special envoy for Middle-East Security during Bush administration, board of directors for Chevron and Boeing, NATO commander, member of Brent Scowcroft’s Institute for International Affairs along with Zbigniew Brzezinski, Bobby Ray Inman, Bilderberg luminary Henry Kissinger and former CIA Director John Deutch.


14. SUSAN RICE – U.N. AMBASSADOR

Council on Foreign Relations, Rhodes scholar, campaign foreign policy advisor to presidential candidates John Kerry and Michael Dukakis, member of Bill Clinton’s National Security Council and assistant secretary of state for Africa, member of the Brookings Institute (funded by the Ford Foundation and the Rockefellers), and member of the Aspen Strategy Group (teeming with Bilderberg insiders such as Richard Armitage, Brent Scowcroft, and Madeleine Albright).

Victor Thorn - (Issue # 51) December 22, 2008 - source AmericanFreePress

Victor Thorn is a hard-hitting researcher, journalist and the author of many books on 9-11 and the New World Order. These include 9-11 Evil: The Israeli Role in 9-11 and Phantom Flight 93.Obama, the more they stay the same.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   23:55:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Rotara (#52)

On several occasions I have engaged you in substantive debate and each and every time you found yourself in a position where you would be forced to admit to the truth of current situation. Rather than engage in intellectual honesty you vacated the thread and instead of responding made yourself scarce.

Which is why I rattle that POS's cage every chance I get.

He's earned everything and more.

I find it more entertaining to simply rub his nose in the unpleasant truths he wishes to avoid.

Buggery is unnatural.

Oh'bummer is just as sociopathic as Duhbya and controlled by the exact same people.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-17   23:56:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Rotara, Weasel Mike, Ferret Mike, christine, all (#54)

He won't ever own up to Obamalamadingdong's long list of cabal members he's surrounded himself by.

maybe this time he will (lol):

Please defend your boy's peeps, mikey.

We just haven't given Oh'bummer enough time. /sarcasm

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-17   23:57:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Original_Intent (#55)

I find it entertaining as well.

If they disliked bush and love obama, they're full of shit.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   23:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Original_Intent (#56)

We just haven't given Oh'bummer enough time. /sarcasm

These sickos support world socialist fascism.

There isn't much time left.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   23:58:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: ferret mike (#54)

Obama's White House Cabinet Filled With Bilderbergers... So, What Has Changed?... Nothing.

Submitted by SadInAmerica on Tue, 12/30/2008 - 11:16am.

For two years, the American people have heard an unrelenting mantra of change emanating from the campaign trail. But now that President-elect Barack Obama has begun forming his cabinet, we’re seeing a cadre of more deeply entrenched insiders than any administration that has preceded it.

In regard to key foreign policy advisors, all three of Obama’s selections either initially supported the Iraq war, or still do. On the economic front, each appointee maintains a close relationship with the Jewish triad of Ben Bernanke, Robert Rubin and Alan Greenspan—as well as bailout engineer Henry Paulson. Barack Obama himself is a Council on Foreign Relations member, has strong ties to Zbigniew Brzezinski, and participated in a clandestine meeting with Hillary Clinton at Bilderberg member Diane Feinstein’s house at the time when 2008 Bilderberg members were congregating only a few miles away.


Below is an overview of Obama’s top 14 selections to date. When considering their collective histories, a trend becomes clear, proving that the more things change under...

1. TIMOTHY GEITHNER – TREASURY SECRETARY

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, president and CEO of Federal Reserve Bank of New York, director of policy development for IMF, member Group of Thirty (G30), employed at Kissinger & Associates, architect of the recent 2008 financial bailouts, mentored by Lawrence Summers and Robert Rubin.

2. PAUL VOLCKER – ECONOMIC RECOVERY ADVISORY BOARD

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, North American chairman of Trilateral Commission, Federal Reserve chairman during Carter and Reagan administrations, president of Federal Reserve Bank of New York, G30 member, chairman Rothschild Wolfensohn Company, key figure in the collapse of the gold standard during the Nixon administration, longtime associate of the Rockefeller family.


3. RAHM EMANUEL – CHIEF OF STAFF

Member of Israeli Defense Force, staunch Zionist, congressman, Board of Directors for Freddie Mac, member of Bill Clinton’s finance campaign committee, made $16.2 million during 2.5 years as an investment banker for Wasserstein Perella. His father was a member of the Israeli Irgun terrorist group.

4. LAWRENCE SUMMERS – NATIONAL ECONOMIC COUNCIL

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, treasury secretary during Clinton administration, chief economist at World Bank, former president of Harvard University, Brookings Institute board member, huge proponent of globalization while working for the IMF, protŠ01; of David Rockefeller, mentored by Robert Rubin.

5. DAVID AXELROD – SENIOR ADVISOR


Political consultant whose past clients include Sens. Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and Christopher Dodd; main Obama fixer in the William Ayers and Reverend Wright scandals.

6. HILLARY CLINTON – SECRETARY OF STATE

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, clandestine CIA asset used to infiltrate the anti-war movement at Yale University and the Watergate hearings, senior partner at the Rose Law Firm, key figure in the Mena drug trafficking affair, architect of the Waco disaster, implicated in the murder/ cover-up of Vince Foster, and many other deaths.

7. JOSEPH BIDEN – VICE PRESIDENT

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, U.S. Senator since 1972, member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, current chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, strong Zionist sympathizer who recently told Rabbi Mark S. Golub of Shalom TV, “I am a Zionist. You don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist.”

8. BILL RICHARDSON – COMMERCE SECRETARY


Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, former U.S. congressman, chairman of the Democratic National Convention in 2004, employee of Kissinger Associates, UN ambassador, governor of New Mexico, energy secretary, major player in the Monica Lewinsky cover-up with Bilderberg luminary Vernon Jordan.

9. ROBERT GATES – DEFENSE SECRETARY

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, former CIA Director, defense secretary under President Bush, co-chaired CFR task force with Zbigniew Brzezinski, knee-deep in the Iran-Contra scandal, named in a 1999 class action lawsuit pertaining to the Mena drug trafficking affair.

10. TOM DASCHLE – HEALTH SECRETARY

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, former Senate majority leader, Citibank lackey, mentored by Robert Rubin.

11. ERIC HOLDER – ATTORNEY GENERAL

Key person in the pardon of racketeer Marc Rich, deputy attorney general under Janet Reno, facilitated the pardon of 16 Puerto Rican FALN terrorists under Bill Clinton.

12. JANET NAPOLITANO – HOMELAND SECURITY DIRECTOR

Council on Foreign Relations, Arizona governor, attorney for Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas hearings, U.S. attorney during the Clinton administration, instrumental in the OKC cover-up, where she declared, “We’ll pursue every bit of evidence and every lead,” described as another Janet Reno, soft on illegal immigration (i.e. pro-amnesty and drivers licenses to illegals).

13. GEN. JAMES L. JONES – NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR

Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, European supreme allied commander, special envoy for Middle-East Security during Bush administration, board of directors for Chevron and Boeing, NATO commander, member of Brent Scowcroft’s Institute for International Affairs along with Zbigniew Brzezinski, Bobby Ray Inman, Bilderberg luminary Henry Kissinger and former CIA Director John Deutch.


14. SUSAN RICE – U.N. AMBASSADOR

Council on Foreign Relations, Rhodes scholar, campaign foreign policy advisor to presidential candidates John Kerry and Michael Dukakis, member of Bill Clinton’s National Security Council and assistant secretary of state for Africa, member of the Brookings Institute (funded by the Ford Foundation and the Rockefellers), and member of the Aspen Strategy Group (teeming with Bilderberg insiders such as Richard Armitage, Brent Scowcroft, and Madeleine Albright).

Victor Thorn - (Issue # 51) December 22, 2008 - source AmericanFreePress

Victor Thorn is a hard-hitting researcher, journalist and the author of many books on 9-11 and the New World Order. These include 9-11 Evil: The Israeli Role in 9-11 and Phantom Flight 93.Obama, the more they stay the same.

Here's your shot. Show us where we're wrong. Defend this shit, mikey.

I dare you.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-04-18   0:00:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Original_Intent, FM (#51) (Edited)

I am anything but quiet. As far as 4UM goes it too often is a venue encouraging rhetorical lynching of anyone not weighing in with the chorus people like you approve of. The anti-free speech, anti-Constitutional lynch mobbing people like you love. This is on you and no sweat off my balls.

This might be an important propaganda tool to you as you work to prevent free speech, but your intolerance, mean spirited desire to censor and eliminate all those who don't think exactly like you is your flaw, idiocy and problem, not mine.

What another pantload from FM. TheLeft has long proven their monopoly on telling others to "shut up." Fascism especially suits them when they can't win an argument with logic or when they have difficulty forcing their buggery on everyone else. Thus, you will "shut up" or we'll find the best lawyer whores money can buy and force you. If we can't afford a lawyer, we'll call you names like "intolerant" and "racist" and other unpleasant things designed to make us all feel guilty and elect facist whores to office who will carry out our wishes. The funny thing is, the chains you so hope to see on those with whom you disagree will soon be on yourselves as well.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

IndieTX  posted on  2009-04-18   0:02:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Ferret Mike (#9)

I just don't waste as much time here in this no free speech forum.

I don't think you should waste even one more second of your valuable time here on here. You should go away and make us all sorry. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-18   0:03:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Critter (#21)

First off, it is common courtesy to ping someone to a post when you speak of him/her. At least it should be.

Second, I don't think Rotara is a right winger at all, but more like me, a rabid libertarian. I have no tolerance for people who in any way shape or form want to screw with my liberty and who support scum bag politicians who will do same.

I'll shout them down too, and if they want to cry about it, screw them. What they are doing to me is far worse. They deserve far more than being called a name or two.

Good points, Critter.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-18   0:06:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Ferret Mike (#9)

The anti-free speech, anti-Constitutional lynch mobbing people like you love.

That is not fair of you to so characterize this forum as you are not banned.

That you are are encountering massive disagreement with your positions is, indeed, a fact.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-04-18   0:08:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: IndieTX (#60)

Down with ameriKan fascists bump !

Very well said.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-04-18   0:10:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Ferret Mike (#49)

It is a shame I even have to waste time here

Yeah, it is. You should be over on Robin's forum giving them the benefit of all your vast stores of wisdumb. We are not worthy.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-18   0:11:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: James Deffenbach (#65)

It's simply not a pleasant posting experience on 4um for the Ocultists.

That's too bad. ehehe


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-04-18   0:13:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: James Deffenbach (#65)

LOL!

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-18   0:14:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Ferret Mike (#49)

i think your beef is with a few individuals, not the forum as a whole. i do disagree with you on your mob rule assertion, although it is true that anyone who supports either one of the establishment parties/politicians gets grief from most of us here, there's not a group conspiracy to quiet you or anyone else. further, you certainly are not alone in being the recipient of name calling, mocking, derision, etc. that is part and parcel of "lively discussion" in every forum unless it's heavily censored and moderated.

i also disagree with your interpretation of free speech on this board. free speech means that people can express their love or hatred or anger for anyone, any group, any race, any culture, or any thing. you and everyone else have the right to challenge, debate, or criticize those opinions.

The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama

christine  posted on  2009-04-18   0:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Rotara (#66)

It's simply not a pleasant posting experience on 4um for the Ocultists.

That's too bad. ehehe

Yep. Bring a tear to a glass eye. Sad bidness that.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-18   0:21:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: christine (#68)

59

he won't ever touch it


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-04-18   0:22:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: James Deffenbach (#69)

-sniffle-


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-04-18   0:22:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Original_Intent (#67)

LOL!

>(;^{] Tell your mama and them I axed how they wuz dur'n.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-18   0:23:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Ferret Mike (#59)

He won't ever own up to Obamalamadingdong's long list of cabal members he's surrounded himself by.

maybe this time he will (lol):

Please defend your boy's peeps, mikey.

Obama's White House Cabinet Filled With Bilderbergers... So, What Has Changed?... Nothing.

Submitted by SadInAmerica on Tue, 12/30/2008 - 11:16am.

For two years, the American people have heard an unrelenting mantra of change emanating from the campaign trail. But now that President-elect Barack Obama has begun forming his cabinet, we’re seeing a cadre of more deeply entrenched insiders than any administration that has preceded it.

In regard to key foreign policy advisors, all three of Obama’s selections either initially supported the Iraq war, or still do. On the economic front, each appointee maintains a close relationship with the Jewish triad of Ben Bernanke, Robert Rubin and Alan Greenspan—as well as bailout engineer Henry Paulson. Barack Obama himself is a Council on Foreign Relations member, has strong ties to Zbigniew Brzezinski, and participated in a clandestine meeting with Hillary Clinton at Bilderberg member Diane Feinstein’s house at the time when 2008 Bilderberg members were congregating only a few miles away.

Below is an overview of Obama’s top 14 selections to date. When considering their collective histories, a trend becomes clear, proving that the more things change under...

1. TIMOTHY GEITHNER – TREASURY SECRETARY

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, president and CEO of Federal Reserve Bank of New York, director of policy development for IMF, member Group of Thirty (G30), employed at Kissinger & Associates, architect of the recent 2008 financial bailouts, mentored by Lawrence Summers and Robert Rubin.

2. PAUL VOLCKER – ECONOMIC RECOVERY ADVISORY BOARD

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, North American chairman of Trilateral Commission, Federal Reserve chairman during Carter and Reagan administrations, president of Federal Reserve Bank of New York, G30 member, chairman Rothschild Wolfensohn Company, key figure in the collapse of the gold standard during the Nixon administration, longtime associate of the Rockefeller family.

3. RAHM EMANUEL – CHIEF OF STAFF

Member of Israeli Defense Force, staunch Zionist, congressman, Board of Directors for Freddie Mac, member of Bill Clinton’s finance campaign committee, made $16.2 million during 2.5 years as an investment banker for Wasserstein Perella. His father was a member of the Israeli Irgun terrorist group.

4. LAWRENCE SUMMERS – NATIONAL ECONOMIC COUNCIL

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, treasury secretary during Clinton administration, chief economist at World Bank, former president of Harvard University, Brookings Institute board member, huge proponent of globalization while working for the IMF, protŠ01; of David Rockefeller, mentored by Robert Rubin.

5. DAVID AXELROD – SENIOR ADVISOR

Political consultant whose past clients include Sens. Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and Christopher Dodd; main Obama fixer in the William Ayers and Reverend Wright scandals.

6. HILLARY CLINTON – SECRETARY OF STATE

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, clandestine CIA asset used to infiltrate the anti-war movement at Yale University and the Watergate hearings, senior partner at the Rose Law Firm, key figure in the Mena drug trafficking affair, architect of the Waco disaster, implicated in the murder/ cover-up of Vince Foster, and many other deaths.

7. JOSEPH BIDEN – VICE PRESIDENT

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, U.S. Senator since 1972, member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, current chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, strong Zionist sympathizer who recently told Rabbi Mark S. Golub of Shalom TV, “I am a Zionist. You don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist.”

8. BILL RICHARDSON – COMMERCE SECRETARY

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, former U.S. congressman, chairman of the Democratic National Convention in 2004, employee of Kissinger Associates, UN ambassador, governor of New Mexico, energy secretary, major player in the Monica Lewinsky cover-up with Bilderberg luminary Vernon Jordan.

9. ROBERT GATES – DEFENSE SECRETARY

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, former CIA Director, defense secretary under President Bush, co-chaired CFR task force with Zbigniew Brzezinski, knee-deep in the Iran-Contra scandal, named in a 1999 class action lawsuit pertaining to the Mena drug trafficking affair.

10. TOM DASCHLE – HEALTH SECRETARY

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, former Senate majority leader, Citibank lackey, mentored by Robert Rubin.

11. ERIC HOLDER – ATTORNEY GENERAL

Key person in the pardon of racketeer Marc Rich, deputy attorney general under Janet Reno, facilitated the pardon of 16 Puerto Rican FALN terrorists under Bill Clinton.

12. JANET NAPOLITANO – HOMELAND SECURITY DIRECTOR

Council on Foreign Relations, Arizona governor, attorney for Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas hearings, U.S. attorney during the Clinton administration, instrumental in the OKC cover-up, where she declared, “We’ll pursue every bit of evidence and every lead,” described as another Janet Reno, soft on illegal immigration (i.e. pro-amnesty and drivers licenses to illegals).

13. GEN. JAMES L. JONES – NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR

Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, European supreme allied commander, special envoy for Middle-East Security during Bush administration, board of directors for Chevron and Boeing, NATO commander, member of Brent Scowcroft’s Institute for International Affairs along with Zbigniew Brzezinski, Bobby Ray Inman, Bilderberg luminary Henry Kissinger and former CIA Director John Deutch.

14. SUSAN RICE – U.N. AMBASSADOR

Council on Foreign Relations, Rhodes scholar, campaign foreign policy advisor to presidential candidates John Kerry and Michael Dukakis, member of Bill Clinton’s National Security Council and assistant secretary of state for Africa, member of the Brookings Institute (funded by the Ford Foundation and the Rockefellers), and member of the Aspen Strategy Group (teeming with Bilderberg insiders such as Richard Armitage, Brent Scowcroft, and Madeleine Albright).

Victor Thorn - (Issue # 51) December 22, 2008 - source AmericanFreePress

Victor Thorn is a hard-hitting researcher, journalist and the author of many books on 9-11 and the New World Order. These include 9-11 Evil: The Israeli Role in 9-11 and Phantom Flight 93.Obama, the more they stay the same.

ping.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-18   0:24:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: IndieTX, Ferret Mike, Weasel Mike (#60)

I am anything but quiet. As far as 4UM goes it too often is a venue encouraging rhetorical lynching of anyone not weighing in with the chorus people like you approve of. The anti-free speech, anti-Constitutional lynch mobbing people like you love. This is on you and no sweat off my balls.

This might be an important propaganda tool to you as you work to prevent free speech, but your intolerance, mean spirited desire to censor and eliminate all those who don't think exactly like you is your flaw, idiocy and problem, not mine.

What another pantload from FM. TheLeft has long proven their monopoly on telling others to "shut up." Fascism especially suits them when they can't win an argument with logic or when they have difficulty forcing their buggery on everyone else. Thus, you will "shut up" or we'll find the best lawyer whores money can buy and force you. If we can't afford a lawyer, we'll call you names like "intolerant" and "racist" and other unpleasant things designed to make us all feel guilty and elect facist whores to office who will carry out our wishes. The funny thing is, the chains you so hope to see on those with whom you disagree will soon be on yourselves as well.

(Sorry for the tardy reply - my Maine Coon Cat Tom was insisting on having his ears scratched and it's hard to type around him.)

Mikey's biggest problem is that he can't tolerate viewpoints that are not in agreement with his own. Rather than make a rational argument he throws a hissy fit and accuses everybody else of throwing one.

The O'bot left is feeling pressured too as O'bummer has not lived up to their expectations but they don't have the intellectual fortitude to confront that fact.

As well, as you say, the left is very pro-free speech - as long as you agree with them.

However, my biggest problem with the left is not too different than yours - they simply want to use a different color chain than the GOPers.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-18   0:28:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: IndieTX (#60)

TheLeft has long proven their monopoly on telling others to "shut up." Fascism especially suits them when they can't win an argument with logic or when they have difficulty forcing their buggery on everyone else. Thus, you will "shut up" or we'll find the best lawyer whores money can buy and force you. If we can't afford a lawyer, we'll call you names like "intolerant" and "racist" and other unpleasant things designed to make us all feel guilty

you are right on

The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama

christine  posted on  2009-04-18   0:34:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: christine, Ferret Mike (#68)

i think ..

I have seen Mr. Ferret's posting far more continuous on this forum about thoughts and ideas than his victimizing accusers, whom instantly describe him as the devil based upon agreeing to some sophomoric agenda. The poor man obviously feels helpless while not only sharks attack him eating at his green treed flesh but also some of the jolly happy, slap-'em-on-the-back-bullshitters.

Mr. Ferret probably should receive an accolade rather than condemnation for sticking up for his own ideals despite the political party affiliation.

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-04-18   1:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#76)

Into the sauce again tonight, eh buckeroo/Yukons Auntie/Yukons Gramma/Hawaii_FIVE_0/shauwn?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-18   1:39:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: James Deffenbach (#77)

Same old accusations, indicating a sense of insane venue on your part. As I have said in the past, I am just a little poster having noway to make all these postings and identities; I have too much trouble just paying my nurse to responsibly permit me to "feed" as she claims.

But my postings are authentic. I speak my mind and have no access to Internet software programs you accuse me of creating.

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-04-18   1:49:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#78)

I didn't accuse you of creating any Internet software programs. I didn't exactly "accuse" you of anything other than creating various screen names so that you can go back and post on sites you have been banned from. And everyone who has read any of your posts on the various boards you have posted on know who you are. But you saying you "speak your mind" is pretty funny. As the lawyers might say that is not apparent from the facts which have been introduced. Or, to say it another way, to "speak your mind" presupposes the existence of a mind.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-18   9:07:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: James Deffenbach (#65)

We are not worthy.

You're not worthy of Turtle, and das a fack.

But he deigns to suffer you out of pity. Noblesse oblige, and all that.

Dancing Turtles and Bouncing Boobs...that's Turtle Island.

Turtle  posted on  2009-04-18   9:20:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Turtle (#80)

You're not worthy of Turtle, and das a fack.

But he deigns to suffer you out of pity. Noblesse oblige, and all that.

Keep talkin' dat smack and we will make turtle soup.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-18   12:21:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: James Deffenbach (#79)

You have proven yourself to be another blathering idiot with too much time on his hands. You have found no facts other than a distorted, almost imperceptible image of gross imagination stuck on the inside wall of your skull for the sake of creating an unsolvable problem.

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-04-18   13:00:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#82)

Are you related to Professor Irwin Corey?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-04-18   13:03:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: grace_is_by_our_lord, James Deffenbach (#82)

It's not even Saturday night yet. Did you hit the sauce early this weekend...with no plans to stop?


"It is not for glory, riches or honours that we fight, but for that liberty which no good man will consent to lose but with his life."
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"

litus  posted on  2009-04-18   13:04:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#82)

For your problems....I suggest AA meetings. If you try to live by the following slogan, it may help with your compulsions:


"It is not for glory, riches or honours that we fight, but for that liberty which no good man will consent to lose but with his life."
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"

litus  posted on  2009-04-18   13:07:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#82)

You have proven yourself to be another blathering idiot

Oh the irony!!! LOL!!! Thanks for the laugh little broomstick cowboy.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-18   14:09:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Jethro Tull (#83)

Are you related to Professor Irwin Corey?

I think buck is his daddy.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-18   14:09:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: James Deffenbach (#86)

buckeroo's on a bender it appears

Again


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


Rotara  posted on  2009-04-18   14:14:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Rotara (#88)

Yeah, the poor little fellow probably thinks if he self medicates long enough he will find the secret to having and posting actual thoughts. But he needs to be careful because much of a thought would bust that head wide open.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-18   14:17:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Original_Intent (#74)

Except chuckles I have been talking on conservative forums since my early 1997 sign-up date at the Free Republic.

I listen to little old you and read you. I like the good things about you and the good things you stand for, and I learn valuable things from doing this sort of reading and posting.

One thing I do know and believe most profoundly is that no one political faction in the continental United States has a monopoly on truth.

The best political and social outcomes and here come when all communicate. That is why I do this, to communicate and to learn.

I do not share your pessimism regarding Barack Obama and have so far seen pretty much what I expected to see when he was elected and his administration has been pretty effective at what they do so far, and one of these pluses is better communication between people. He is also being effective in repairing some of the damage to our reputation internationally and though I do not agree with him and his people on everything, I am very glad he beat John McCain.

On a personal level, I like the man and am not moved by predictions of doom you have regarding him and his people.

I do not support not investigating CIA 'assets' and they should be prosecuted for their crimes. The same goes for Bush, Cheney, Rumbo and all other higher ups guilty of crimes.

I never expected him to do this without pressure, and his lack of desire to do so is very much something I myself would take allot of delight in protesting and working to bring pressure to change.

Your lack of awareness of my viewpoints and believes stem from the very difficult communication environment you establish here in this forum, and I am wrong only when I get disgusted and give up when running into a minor road kill of a speed bump like say a Rotara.

You can be assured I accept responsibility when I fall down and fail to work for improved dialog and communication despite roadblocks to it, and it would help if you and others like you would be accountable as well for when you don't listen and work to kill lively discussion and debate.

Now, I have to go as I have a date with a beautiful young lady I have had distract me for some months now who interestingly enough is from Houston, TX.

I will get back as soon as I can to continue working on these pings to me. Cheers. ;-)


Ferret Mike  posted on  2009-04-18   14:21:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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