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Title: Obama Rules Out Assault-Rifle Ban
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The Arizona Republic
URL Source: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep ... /20090417Obama-mexico0417.html
Published: Apr 17, 2009
Author: Chris Hawley
Post Date: 2009-04-17 11:34:17 by Brian S
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MEXICO CITY - President Barack Obama, outlining plans to help Mexico combat drug violence, promised Thursday to resurrect a treaty against arms trafficking that has been stuck in Congress for 12 years but rebuffed Mexico's demands to curb sales of assault weapons in the United States. Speaking during his first official trip to Mexico, Obama said he will try to persuade lawmakers to finally approve the treaty known as CIFTA, which was signed by President Bill Clinton in 1997 but has never been ratified by the U.S. Senate. However, Obama showed little appetite for reviving the 1994-2004 Assault Weapons Ban. During a joint press conference in Mexico City, Mexican President Felipe Calderón blamed the end of the ban for the increasing firepower wielded by drug cartels. Calderón's 2-year-old crackdown against the cartels has ignited a firestorm of violence that has killed more than 10,000 people since late 2006. On Wednesday, a shootout between troops and a convoy of traffickers in southwestern Mexico killed 15 drug-gang members and one soldier hours before Obama arrived in the country. Obama, who acknowledged the United States shares a responsibility for the bloodshed in Mexico, said that he still believes the Assault Weapons Ban "made sense" but that he wants to concentrate on measures against gun smuggling, not gun sales. Many members of Congress, including Democrats, have vowed to fiercely oppose any revival of the ban. The ban prohibited sales of semiautomatic weapons with certain combinations of military-style features, such as folding stocks, large magazines and flash suppressors. Opponents of the ban say that the weapons actually fire smaller bullets than some other rifles and that it is unconstitutional to ban a gun simply because of how it looks. "None of us is under the illusion that reinstating that ban would be easy, and so what we've focused on is how we can improve our enforcement of existing laws," Obama said. Obama tried to cast his visit to Mexico as the start of a new era of cooperation between the countries. But the disagreement over weapons sales was only one of several divisions that emerged during a news conference following his meeting with Calderón. At one point, Calderón criticized the U.S. embargo on Cuba. "That embargo has been in place since before myself and President Obama were born, and yet it hasn't changed things much in Cuba," Calderón said. "We have to ask ourselves, 'Isn't that enough time to conclude that this strategy has been of little use in changing things in Cuba?' I think it is." The two leaders also seemed to budge little on a trade spat over cross-border trucking. Mexico slapped tariffs on $2.4 billion of U.S. goods last month to punish the United States for the cancellation of a pilot program allowing a small number of Mexican trucks to operate on U.S. highways. The 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement calls for the United States to allow in Mexican trucks, but Washington under pressure from labor unions and environmental groups, has insisted on years of trial programs first. Obama said he was open to finding a replacement for the trial program, prompting a testy response from Calderón. "I share the idea that we can advance a lot in labor and environmental issues, but I'm worried that revisiting things that have already proven to work well will simply exacerbate and worsen the situation we have," he said. Both leaders, however, pledged to work out their differences, noting that Mexico and the United States are still close trade partners and allies in international affairs. Obama also reiterated that he supports an overhaul of the U.S. immigration system, saying the presence of millions of undocumented workers, many of them Mexicans, drives down U.S. wages. "My whole goal is to remove the politics of this and take a very practical, common-sense approach that benefits people on both sides of the border," Obama said. He said he would like to see illegal immigrants "pay a penalty" for breaking the law and then, "if they want to stay in the United States, they have an opportunity over time to earn that opportunity for a legal status." He gave no timeline for any such proposal. The arms treaty that Obama pledged to revive is known as the Inter-American Convention Against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives and other Related Materials. The pact is more commonly known by its Spanish acronym, CIFTA. The treaty calls for countries to crack down on the illegal export of weapons, share gun-tracing information and extradite gun-smuggling suspects to other countries. Groups such as the National Rifle Association have complained that the treaty duplicates existing U.S. laws against weapons trafficking and that gun opponents may eventually use it to try to restrict legal gun ownership in the United States. Thirty-three nations in the Western Hemisphere have signed the treaty, and 24 have ratified it. Obama stopped in Mexico City on his way to the fifth Summit of the Americas, a meeting of Western Hemisphere leaders, in the Caribbean nation of Trinidad and Tobago. The leaders will discuss the economic crisis, energy issues and ways to encourage democratic reforms in Cuba. On Thursday night, Obama had dinner with Mexican lawmakers and Cabinet officials at the National Museum of Anthropology. The museum houses the famous Sun Stone, also known as the Aztec Calendar. Obama's visit was met mostly by indifference among residents of Mexico City, a metropolis of 20 million people. About 50 people gathered outside the U.S. Embassy, urging the United States to reform its immigration system and stop raids on undocumented workers. But there were no large demonstrations like the ones that accompanied previous visits to Mexico by President George W. Bush. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano was among the U.S. officials who accompanied Obama.
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
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Psst....watch what politicians do, not what they say. Hope this helps.
Calderon is just afraid the poor little compesinos will actually become armed and dangerous, since the Mexican form of communism seems to be falling around his (and their) ears. And the USA is not quite as attractive to illegal immigrants as it was in the past. Let's see how he keeps the powder keg diffused now. Hint hint to Calderon, blaming the USA is not how it's done.
Translating Obamalamadingdong: "We really want to and we're going to when we can, but the political climate is such that we might get shit canned and good if we try it right now."
Is anyone keeping track of the time that aka is spending out of country?
The Obamessiah ? Good question - what's the score right now ?
Obama is such an amateur. I hope the Obamatards are happy with 'their' POTUS. His world-wide apology tour is a disgrace.
_________________________________________________________________________ Diane Feinstein said exactly that on 60 minutes Sunday night.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
It's more than that. The false stories have been in all the major Nooze outlets i.e., that the AUTOMATIC weapons used by the Drug Cartels are coming from U.S. Gun Shops and Gun Owners. How many U.S. Gun Shops sell AUTOMATIC weapons? The answer of course to anyone not an abysmally ignorant cud chewer knows that automatic weapons are not sold in ordinary gun shops and that it requires a special Federal License to even buy one. That hasn't stopped a few knowledegable individuals from re-machining weapons to full auto capability but the numbers are small and they have to keep it private. No, the weapons, including grenade launchers, are U.S. Government Issue weapons that were most likely sold to the Mexican Military who then sold them on the Black Market to the drug cartels. How many gun shops sell grenade launchers? The answer of course is zero, nada, none. It is not legal to sell them to general public. No, the reason that this got deep sixed FOR NOW is that the photos of the kinds of weapons the cartels have made it in to the public domain and it would have been a big embarrassment to have hearings on a new ban on the "scary, scary" hissssssssssssssss Assault Weapons when there are photos of weaponry which could not have been purchased from American Gun Owners. It would have been a PR/PsyOps nightmare for them. That is the real reason for the backpeddaling. They'll come back to this and probably try to quietly put it on as an amendment on some other bill. The fact that American Commoners (COMMONERS!) have some small measure of weaponry scares the s**t out of them. Their addresses are in the public record, and the commoners are armed. That worries them to no end and makes their collars feel a bit tight.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Yep, the SOBs dropped the word ILLEGAL when discussing immigrants, SEMI when discussing automatics, and of course my personal favorite, DEMOCRACY rather than REPUBLIC w/discussing our form of government. He who owns the ink and the paper, writes the news, except for us on the 'net. It's no wonder the MSM is dying rapidly thanks to a lack of consumers.
Huh, that's funny. I just went down to the local gun shop and picked up a dozen full autos, 3 rpg launchers, a couple land mines and some C4 ! /s
That's right. The MSM is riddled with Globalists - totally in the bag for world socialist government. They have to go as well.
Diane Feinstein said exactly that on 60 minutes Sunday night. These people only have the machine. They are big zero losers without it. Morans
grrrrr
She comes from one branch of the National party that some here adore. And for all these years I thought they were like us; political agnostics. They had us fooled.
F**kers It's not over.
Wise advice.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
you know everyone seems fraid to acknowledge this, but maybe that 'demonized' guy in pittsburg posted a good lesson for the enemies of liberty. and what a jerk his mom was for calling the pigs on her own son for such petty bullshit. then she screams at the cops 'what are you doing with my son'. eeegads, all around.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. You have a point
Obama pledges help in Mexico's war on drug lords, with an exception http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-obama-mexico17- 2009apr17,0,7867926.story Schoolchildren await President Barack Obama and Mexican President Felipe Calderon in Mexico City. Obama promises to step up efforts to curb guns flowing into Mexico, but says a revival of the U.S. assault weapon ban is not in the offing. By Peter Nicholas and Tracy Wilkinson April 17, 2009 Reporting from Mexico City -- President Obama pledged Thursday that the U.S. would become a better partner in curbing the flow of arms that have aggravated a bloody drug war in Mexico, but acknowledged that political realities make it tough for him to ban some of the most potent weapons in the arsenals of drug cartels. Emerging from a meeting with Mexican President Felipe Calderon, Obama said he favored a ban on assault weapons but would not push to reimpose a U.S. prohibition that lapsed in 2004. Photos: Obama visits Mexico Full coverage of Mexico's drug warObama draws hopeful crowds in Mexico Mexico, awaiting Obama, hopes for change Latin America summit a proving ground for Obama "None of us is under any illusion that reinstating that ban would be easy," Obama said at a news conference after talks that dealt in part with the violence that has swept sections of Mexico. Instead, he announced plans to increase the number of U.S. law enforcement personnel at the border to search for smuggled shipments of guns, even in southbound trains. He also said he would push the Senate to ratify a decade-old treaty on arms trafficking as part of a concerted U.S.-Mexican effort to defeat drug gangs. But despite Obama's high approval ratings and solid Democratic majorities in the House and Senate, his comments indicated that the political clout of gun rights advocates, including many Republicans as well as conservative Democrats, made it doubtful he could resurrect an assault gun ban. Congress enacted such a ban in 1994, but it expired after 10 years. In 2004, when Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) proposed an extension, it was voted down, 90 to 8. Mexican officials have made it clear they want the ban reenacted. But Obama, as he stood beside Calderon, said other measures would have to suffice. When it was his turn to answer the assault weapons question, Calderon struck a patient tone and said he grasped the nuances involved. His government has seized 16,000 assault weapons since he took office in December 2006. The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives says 90% of weapons seized in Mexico and reported to the agency can be traced to the United States. "We understand that this is politically very sensitive because we know the great esteem Americans have for their constitutional rights, especially those contained in the 2nd Amendment," Calderon said. But he cautioned that the widespread violence plaguing Mexico may spill into the U.S. "These weapons today are aimed at Mexican authorities and Mexican citizens, but organized crime is not only present here in Mexico. It's also in the United States," he said. "I hope to God these weapons that today are sold in the U.S. and used in Mexico are not one day also used against U.S. society and U.S. authorities the way they are here in our country." Illustrating the dangers, a gun battle on the eve of Obama's arrival left one soldier and 14 alleged drug traffickers dead in the Pacific coast state of Guerrero, officials said. About 30 gunmen attacked troops who were patrolling a remote mountain ridge. A second soldier was critically wounded. Increasingly brazen traffickers have started attacking army patrols head-on. Authorities said the Mexican military, after the battle, confiscated a small arsenal, including two .50-caliber Barrett rifles, 17 other rifles, grenades and ammunition and eight vehicles. Obama's stop in Mexico was scheduled to last less than 24 hours and was made en route to a summit in Trinidad and Tobago of 34 Western Hemisphere nations. There, Obama is likely to face criticism for the long-standing U.S. trade embargo against Cuba. Calderon said the embargo was "not very useful" in promoting change. "It was implemented before President Obama and I were born," he said. "And things in Cuba have not changed much." Obama has lifted restrictions on Cuban Americans who want to travel to Cuba. But he opposes lifting the trade embargo, calling it useful leverage in getting Cuba's rulers to adopt democratic reforms. The summit will be attended by many staunch U.S. critics, given that Latin American nations have leaned leftward in recent years. The White House said Obama was not likely to have a one-on-one meeting with one of America's harshest critics, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. A purpose of Obama's visit Thursday was to show support for Calderon after warnings from U.S. military and intelligence officials that drug cartels pose a mortal threat to the Mexican government. Mexico objected to such alarm, and the Obama administration has been working to make amends. As the first U.S. president to visit Mexico's capital in 12 years, Obama is delivering a message that he appreciates the courage shown by Calderon in combating drug lords, White House officials said. At a welcoming ceremony at Los Pinos, the Mexican equivalent of the White House, Obama said, "At a time when the Mexican government has so courageously taken on the drug cartels that have plagued both sides of the border, it is absolutely critical that the United States joins as a full partner in dealing with this issue." Calderon's government has deployed 45,000 soldiers to parts of the country beset by drug violence. For its part, the Obama administration has pledged to intensify border patrols and speed up shipments of military aircraft to help Mexico suppress drug gangs. Not all Mexicans share Obama's opinion of Calderon. The Mexican leader has been criticized for underestimating how deeply drug gangs have corrupted local governments and police forces. Critics also contend that Calderon is relying too heavily on military force while neglecting politically sensitive areas that should also be addressed, such as money laundering, judicial reform and high- level corruption. Calderon's use of military force also has led to accusations of human rights abuses. Mexico's National Human Rights Commission has said citizens' complaints of killings, rape and other abuses have grown sixfold since Calderon assigned the army to the drug war shortly after he took office. Even if Mexico was left disappointed on assault weapons, the two leaders stressed that they had found common ground on other topics. Before they met, the White House announced the countries had agreed to work jointly to curb global warming and develop clean energy alternatives.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. so fag satanist bush advocated a renewal of the assault weapons ban and promised, yes promised, to sign it if passed. obama doesnt do nearly that much. obama is more conservative than fag satanist george w bush. any questions? good grief.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. It's a mad mad world. Misnamed AWs weren't illegal as it related to feral law.I bought a new AR and a M1A during that ban, the AR had no flash suppressor or, to my recollection, a bayonet lug. BFD. A flash suppressor would be easy enough for a gunsmith to install if it was needed, and it wasnt needed. And a bayonet lug is useless IMO. Now if they made actual possession illegal, that would start a civil war, and they know it. .
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That's far from clear. Over the past 25 years, the government has proven again and again that the people will not resist the most tyrannical changes.
That is true, for the majority. I'm not writing about the majority because we will never have a majority IMO. The people arming up now wont be likely to just give them up. At least I hope so. Last I heard, 5.56 and 7.62X39 & 51 is still hard to find and so are the rifles that shoot them. .
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What you say may be happening, but we don't know why. If there's a bank holiday, these tools may be useful for self-defense. People sense that could happen.
#2. To: Brian S (#0)
#3. To: brian s, obamalamadingdong whore (#0)
"None of us is under the illusion that reinstating that ban would be easy, and so what we've focused on is how we can improve our enforcement of existing laws," Obama said.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#4. To: brian s, all Owhoring world socialist RAT shills (#0)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#5. To: Rotara, everyone (#4)
#6. To: lodwick (#5)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#7. To: Brian S (#0)
Obama, who acknowledged the United States shares a responsibility for the bloodshed in Mexico
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#8. To: Rotara, Brian S (#3)
"We really want to and we're going to when we can, but the political climate is such that we might get shit canned and good if we try it right now."
#9. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
Psst....watch what politicians do, not what they say. Hope this helps.
#10. To: Original_Intent (#9)
the false stories have been in all the major Nooze outlets i.e., that the AUTOMATIC weapons used by the Drug Cartels are coming from U.S. Gun Shops and Gun Owners.
#11. To: Original_Intent (#9)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#12. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
Yep, the SOBs dropped the word ILLEGAL when discussing immigrants, SEMI when discussing automatics, and of course my personal favorite, DEMOCRACY rather than REPUBLIC w/discussing our form of government. He who owns the ink and the paper, writes the news, except for us on the 'net. It's no wonder the MSM is dying rapidly thanks to a lack of consumers.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#13. To: christine, Brian S, Obots (#8)
#14. To: christine (#8)
"We really want to and we're going to when we can, but the political climate is such that we might get shit canned and good if we try it right now."
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#13)
smelly, stinky, rotten, quisling mother fuckers
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#16. To: Rotara (#15)
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#16)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
Psst....watch what politicians do, not what they say. Hope this helps.
#19. To: Original_Intent, jethro tull, psusa, rotara (#9)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#20. To: Artisan (#19)
Do you realize how many no-knocks gone wrong end up in innocent people dead every year ?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#21. To: Brian S, artisan (#0)
here is a similar article from LA Times
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#22. To: All (#21)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#23. To: Artisan, All (#22)
so fag satanist bush advocated a renewal of the assault weapons ban and promised, yes promised, to sign it if passed. obama doesnt do nearly that much. obama is more conservative than fag satanist george w bush. any questions?
#24. To: PSUSA (#23)
Now if they made actual possession illegal, that would start a civil war, and they know it.
#25. To: Deasy (#24)
Over the past 25 years, the government has proven again and again that the people will not resist the most tyrannical changes.
#26. To: PSUSA (#25)
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