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Title: Obama: CIA interrogators won't face charges
Source: USA Today
URL Source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washin ... -04-16-cia-waterboarding_N.htm
Published: Apr 17, 2009
Author: Richard Wolf and Peter Eisler
Post Date: 2009-04-17 12:47:23 by Rotara
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	Enlarge	By Manuel Balce Ceneta, AP
Protesters demonstrate waterboarding, an interrogation technique that simulates drowning, Nov. 5, 2007, on volunteer Maboud Ebrahim Zadeh in front of the Justice Department in Washington.

Interrogation techniques approved in 2002 by the Justice Department and detailed in memos released Thursday:

Attention grasp: "Grasping the individual with both hands, one hand on each side of the collar opening, in a controlled and quick motion."

Walling: A fake, flexible wall is built, and the suspect is pulled forward and "then quickly and firmly" pushed against the wall. "The idea is to create a sound that will make the impact seem far worse than it is."

Facial grasp: "Used to hold the head immobile. One open palm is placed on either side of the individual's face."

Insult slap: "The purpose of the facial slap is to induce shock, surprise and/or humiliation."

Cramped confinement: The suspect is placed in a confined space that "is usually dark." Some spaces allow a subject only to sit down; confinement in those spaces "lasts for no more than two hours."

Wall standing: Subjects are forced to lean with only their fingers for support against a wall 4 to 5 feet away from their bodies in a tactic "used to induce muscle fatigue."

Stress positions: They include "kneeling on the floor while leaning back at a 45-degree angle" and "sitting on the floor with legs extended out in front of him with his arms raised above his head."

Sleep deprivation: This is meant to "reduce the individual's ability to think on his feet and, through the discomfort associated with lack of sleep, to motivate him to cooperate."

Insects placed in a confinement box: The subject is placed in "a cramped confinement box" and told a stinging insect will be placed in the box with him. Instead, a harmless insect, "such as a caterpillar," is placed inside.

Waterboarding: The subject is placed on a board with a cloth covering his nose and mouth. The cloth is saturated with water to simulate drowning. It creates "the perception of 'suffocation and incipient panic.' "

Source: Justice Department

By Richard Wolf and Peter Eisler, USA TODAY WASHINGTON — President Obama threw open the curtain Thursday on harsh interrogation techniques used by the Bush administration against terrorism suspects, but he said CIA officers would not be prosecuted for their actions. Responding to a deadline in a court case brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, the Obama administration released four Justice Department memos providing a legal rationale for techniques the ACLU and other critics likened to torture — and that Obama has since ended by executive order. Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder said CIA interrogators would not be held accountable because their actions had been sanctioned by the Justice Department. Holder also said the government would defend them against any lawsuits and seek to indemnify them against monetary judgments. PREVIOUS COVERAGE: Holder: 'Waterboarding is torture' ON DEADLINE: Obama won't prosecute CIA for waterboarding EARLIER ON DEADLINE: Senate votes to ban waterboarding "This is a time for reflection, not retribution," Obama said in a statement. "We have been through a dark and painful chapter in our history. But at a time of great challenges and disturbing disunity, nothing will be gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past." FIND MORE STORIES IN: United States | Congress | Barack Obama | White House | New York | al-Qaeda | Justice Department | Red Cross | President George W. Bush | American Civil Liberties Union | Freedom of Information Act | International Committee | D-Mich | Khalid Sheikh Mohammed | John Conyers | Kevin Johnson | Abu Zubaydah | Bush-era | Attorney General Eric Holder | Office of Legal Counsel | Jill Lawrence | New York Review of Books | Donna Leinwand Whether to release the memos had been the subject of debate for weeks. Obama decided to put them out because much of the information had been publicized. Even so, he still defended "maintaining the classified nature of secret activities." Many of the techniques used by CIA operatives against top 9/11 terrorism suspects, including Abu Zubaydah and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, had been acknowledged in recent years, some by President George W. Bush himself. However, the CIA destroyed videos documenting the tactics' use. The newly released memos shed light on approved tactics. For instance, they authorized interrogators to confine Zubaydah in a small box with an insect he believed could sting him — a technique intended to play on his fear of bugs. They allowed captives to be kept awake for up to 180 hours. The memos also set parameters for waterboarding, which simulates drowning; they discuss ways to avoid injuring captives when shoving them into flexible walls; and they detail limits on forcing prisoners into stressful positions and confining them in small, dark places. A March 2005 memo says 28 of 94 CIA detainees were exposed to enhanced interrogations in "varying degrees." A May 2005 memo cautions that using several techniques in tandem could, in some circumstances, violate prohibitions against torture. CIA Director Leon Panetta, in a letter to his employees, said the Justice Department "guided CIA's detention and interrogation program." Panetta noted it was approved by Bush and his top national security staff. Lawmakers who fought for the memos' release applauded. "The legal analysis and some of the techniques in these memos are truly shocking," said House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, D-Mich. "Hopefully, these practices have been ended for all time." Marc Thiessen, former chief speech writer for Bush, called Obama's action "outrageous" because it gives al-Qaeda the chance to practice resistance. ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero criticized the decision not to prosecute those who authorized and conducted the interrogations. "There can be no more excuses for putting off criminal investigations of officials who … broke the law," he said. A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll in late January found that nearly two-thirds of Americans favored investigations into the torture allegations. Four in 10 wanted criminal probes. Contributing: David Jackson, Kevin Johnson, Jill Lawrence and Donna Leinwand

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Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   20:05:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

uh huh. Bush helped to sweep Clinton's criminality under the rug and now the Obamasiah is repaying the favor. Political whores each and every one and wastes of space, skin, and oxygen.

The seamless transition of corruption and treason against US.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   20:06:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Poor little Tattoo. Wonderfully talented man but life got to be too much for him I suppose.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-17   20:16:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The seamless transition of corruption and treason against US.

Isn't it just amazing how that works? People voted for Bush, or many of them did anyway, thinking that he would bring Clinton to justice. And then, people got all excited about their Obamasiah and how he would surely bring Bush to justice. uh huh. Too many folks are like Charlie Brown running to kick the football after Lucy promises not to pull it away--yet does it every time.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-17   20:19:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

RIP Tattoo

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   20:21:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Those in the matrix keep their hope...in the matrix.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   20:22:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"This is a time for reflection, not retribution," Obama said in a statement. "We have been through a dark and painful chapter in our history. But at a time of great challenges and disturbing disunity, nothing will be gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past."

If this logic is reasonable for government officials, then we should be able to use this defense in any court.

Pinguinite  posted on  2009-04-17   20:40:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

Years pass. Many animals age and die, and few recall the days before the Rebellion. The animals complete a new windmill, which is used not for generating electricity but for milling corn, a far more profitable endeavor. The farm seems to have grown richer, but only the many pigs and dogs live comfortable lives. Squealer explains that the pigs and dogs do very important work—filling out forms and such. The other animals largely accept this explanation, and their lives go on very much as before. They never lose their sense of pride in Animal Farm or their feeling that they have differentiated themselves from animals on other farms. The inhabitants of Animal Farm still fervently believe in the goals of the Rebellion—a world free from humans, with equality for all animals.

One day, Squealer takes the sheep off to a remote spot to teach them a new chant. Not long afterward, the animals have just finished their day's work when they hear the terrified neighing of a horse. It is Clover, and she summons the others hastily to the yard. There, the animals gaze in amazement at Squealer walking toward them on his hind legs. Napoleon soon appears as well, walking upright; worse, he carries a whip. Before the other animals have a chance to react to the change, the sheep begin to chant, as if on cue: “Four legs good, two legs better!” Clover, whose eyes are failing in her old age, asks Benjamin to read the writing on the barn wall where the Seven Commandments were originally inscribed. Only the last commandment remains: “all animals are equal.” However, it now carries an addition: “but some animals are more equal than others.” In the days that follow, Napoleon openly begins smoking a pipe, and the other pigs subscribe to human magazines, listen to the radio, and begin to install a telephone, also wearing human clothes that they have salvaged from Mr. Jones's wardrobe.

One day, the pigs invite neighboring human farmers over to inspect Animal Farm. The farmers praise the pigs and express, in diplomatic language, their regret for past “misunderstandings.” The other animals, led by Clover, watch through a window as Mr. Pilkington and Napoleon toast each other, and Mr. Pilkington declares that that the farmers share a problem with the pigs: “If you have your lower animals to contend with,” he says, “we have our lower classes!” Mr. Pilkington notes with appreciation that the pigs have found ways to make Animal Farm's animals work harder and on less food than any other group of farm animals in the county. He adds that he looks forward to introducing these advances on his own farm. Napoleon replies by reassuring his human guests that the pigs never wanted anything other than to conduct business peacefully with their human neighbors and that they have taken steps to further that goal. Animals on Animal Farm will no longer address one another as “comrade,” he says, or pay homage to Old Major; nor will they salute a flag with a horn and hoof upon it. All of these customs have been changed recently by decree, he assures the men. Napoleon even announces that Animal Farm will now be known as the Manor Farm, which is, he believes, its “correct and original name.”

The pigs and farmers return to their amiable card game, and the other animals creep away from the window. Soon the sounds of a quarrel draw them back to listen. Napoleon and Pilkington have played the ace of spades simultaneously, and each accuses the other of cheating. The animals, watching through the window, realize with a start that, as they look around the room of the farmhouse, they can no longer distinguish which of the cardplayers are pigs and which are human beings.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   20:43:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

good catch. can you imagine any one of us peons using the let's just move on defense? ;)

The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama

christine  posted on  2009-04-17   21:03:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If you can somehow attribute your behavior to Zionism, it might help.

Deasy  posted on  2009-04-17   21:05:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's possible someone could make a legal issue out of it under the 14th's "equal protection" clause. Would be fun to see how a fed judge would justify throwing it out.

Pinguinite  posted on  2009-04-17   21:11:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

can you imagine any one of us peons using the let's just move on defense?

Of course not - it's only the 'president's club' defense.

Good God, America, WAKETHEFUCKUP.

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Lod  posted on  2009-04-17   21:12:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Good God, America, WAKETHEFUCKUP

That giant sucking sound you hear..

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   22:01:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"This is a time for reflection, not retribution," Obama said in a statement. "We have been through a dark and painful chapter in our history. But at a time of great challenges and disturbing disunity, nothing will be gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past."

If this logic is reasonable for government officials, then we should be able to use this defense in any court.

Excellent. I've brought up that same concept before. It only works for whore lawyers and politicians of course.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

IndieTX  posted on  2009-04-17   22:37:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

RIP Tattoo

Indeed.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-17   22:46:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If this logic is reasonable for government officials, then we should be able to use this defense in any court.

A profound observation.

That which the American government now pleads was used as a defense during the Nuremberg trials wherein such defense was not so well received.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-04-17   22:48:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That giant sucking sound you hear..

is the Zionist Jews in my tagline killing America.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-04-17   22:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And in the mean time, Obama's justice department is busy deporting an 89 year old wheelchair bound German for supposed crimes during WWII.

Pinguinite  posted on  2009-04-17   22:51:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They aren't the only ones.

It takes an enemy within to make it happen.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   23:04:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And in the mean time, Obama's justice department is busy deporting an 89 year old wheelchair bound German for supposed crimes during WWII.

I'm glad to see that you didn't go with the Ocult.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   23:05:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm glad you see it too.

Pinguinite  posted on  2009-04-17   23:06:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It takes an enemy within to make it happen.

The Zionist Jews in my tagline are the enemy within.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-04-17   23:10:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm glad you see it too.

These are dire times, my friend.

This is the end game in motion.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   23:10:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Zionist Jews in my tagline are the enemy within.

They are part of the universe of deceit in ameriKa but by no means are they all of it.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   23:11:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And in the mean time, Obama's justice department is busy deporting an 89 year old wheelchair bound German for supposed crimes during WWII.

But for the Zionist Jews in my tagline, Obama's justice department would not be busy deporting an 89 year old wheelchair bound German for supposed crimes during WWII.

Don't you agree, Rotara?

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-04-17   23:14:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Don't you agree, Rotara?

If every ZJew were dead tomorrow and israel dried up and blew away, you'd still have a large cast of luciferian world orderists INSIDE ameriKa to deal with.

You do know this, don't you wbales ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   23:17:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They are part of the universe of deceit in ameriKa but by no means are they all of it.

I shall not necessarily disagree with that "all" part.

How about about this: America and Americans would be a hell of lot better off without the influence and presence of my tagline cabal.

Do you agree with that?

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-04-17   23:21:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Was Rockefeller a Jew?

Yes. The Rockelfeller family in America passed themselves off as Christians, but ancestrally in Europe they were originally a Jewish family. Many European Jews came to America, Canada, and Britiain and changed to non-Jewish names or claimed to be Christians to avoid "anti-Semitism." But they are biologically Jewish nonetheless.

Oy Vey !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   23:22:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If every ZJew were dead tomorrow and israel dried up and blew away, you'd still have a large cast of luciferian world orderists INSIDE ameriKa to deal with.

No, there would not be that many and those few left left wouldn't own the media, government and financial institutions and could be ignored and/or readily defeated.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-04-17   23:24:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I can't totally disagree with you. In fact I almost universally agree with that statement in context of the facts we stare at daily.

May I empathize with the CZ sheeple ? Many have no idea what they support and have paved the path to hell with good intentions. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   23:24:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No, there would not be that many and those few left left wouldn't own the media, government and financial institutions and could be ignored and/or readily defeated.

I was going to throw the rockefuckers at you ... then I discovered they come from the same tribe.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   23:25:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

May I empathize with the CZ sheeple ?

Do what you will.

I, conversely, shall never empathize with traitors to America espousing spiritual delusion.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-04-17   23:30:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You aren't a Christian I take it.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   23:30:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Have you read The International Jew by Henry Ford?

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-04-17   23:32:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No

I reckon you're going to recommend it. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   23:33:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You aren't a Christian I take it.

Now, why would you assume that?

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-04-17   23:33:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I reckon you're going to recommend it.

So, is that a yes or a no?

I guess that's a no.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-04-17   23:36:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

38 says "No" if you look again.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   23:38:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Now, why would you assume that?

Because you seem oblivious to what most Christian "Zionists" really understand ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   23:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes, that is a no.

And, yes, I do recommend it.

Will you read it?

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-04-17   23:40:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll put it on the list.

I'm very focused with my reading time right now.

Thanks for the tip

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-17   23:41:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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