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Title: Judge Bans Religious Song From School
Source: UPI
URL Source: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/04 ... rom-school/UPI-40081239944963/
Published: Apr 19, 2009
Author: UPI
Post Date: 2009-04-19 17:51:39 by Brian S
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Comments: 79

JACKSONVILLE, Fla., April 17 (UPI) -- A federal judge has banned a Florida elementary school from having children sing a country song, "In God We Still Trust," at a school assembly.

The lyrics attack the principal of separation of church and state, U.S. District Judge Harvey Schlesinger said. He issued a preliminary injunction Wednesday against the Webster School in St. Augustine, The Jacksonville Times-Union reported.

While some religious songs can be sung in public schools, "In God We Still Trust" by Diamond Rio is "patently religious and proselytizing," the judge said.

He cited some of the lyrics: "There's no separation. ... We're one nation under Him ... Now there are those among us who want to push Him out and erase His name from everything this country is all about ... Now it's time for all believers to make our voices heard."

The parents of two Webster students filed the lawsuit in March, saying their children were being forced to endorse views they do not share.

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The lyrics attack the principal of separation of church and state, U.S. District Judge Harvey Schlesinger said.

In other news, "Be a Muslim for a Week" commences tomorrow !

(Noted: Judge Schlesinger)

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-19   17:59:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you support requiring student to recite the Pledge of Allegiance? Other than direct learning materials, what right do government schools have to require students to say anything?

Deasy  posted on  2009-04-19   18:12:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I believe in freedom of speech.

Assholes ! ;-)

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-19   18:52:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Freedom is tough, isn't it? It doesn't leave the government with much of a role in anything. It damned sure doesn't have a role to play in requiring children to speak or sing about religion. Of course this contradicts our hopes of protecting our "culture." But that too is probably best left to the people.

If the government would just defend our borders, we the people will do the rest just fine.

Deasy  posted on  2009-04-19   18:56:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't believe good parenting includes government schools for children.

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-19   19:00:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm sure we agree if not for different reasons. I guess you and I could hammer out a mutually acceptable curriculum if we worked at it. We might have to skip biology, which is most unfortunate. We could definitely skip the birds and the bees. Damn that was easy.

Deasy  posted on  2009-04-19   20:04:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My Grandpa learned enough to be able to thrive with an 8th grade education - in a one room school house for 40 children; K-12.

THAT government school and curriculum would probably be acceptable to me.

Time Warp Back Please ;-)

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-19   20:16:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I hope they didn't teach that starlight takes less than 6,000 years to reach us here. But I think I would gladly trade what they were teaching then for what we're getting now. Minus the pledge of allegiance, which at that time did not have the "under God" clause in it even.

Deasy  posted on  2009-04-19   20:18:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm sure y'all have read this~

How did this Pledge of Allegiance to a flag replace the US Constitution and Bill of Rights in the affections of many Americans? Among the nations in the world, only the USA and the Philippines, imitating the USA, have a pledge to their flag. Who institutionalized the Pledge as the cornerstone of American patriotic programs and indoctrination in the public and parochial schools?

In 1892, a socialist named Francis Bellamy created the Pledge of Allegiance for *Youth's* *Companion*, a national family magazine for youth published in Boston. The magazine had the largest national circulation of its day with a circulation around 500 thousand. Two liberal businessmen, Daniel Ford and James Upham, his nephew, owned *Youth's* *Companion*.

One hundred years ago the American flag was rarely seen in the classroom or in front of the school Upham changed that. In 1888, the magazine began a campaign to sell American flags to the public schools. By 1892, his magazine had sold American flags to about 26 thousands schools(1).

In 1891, Upham had the idea of using the celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus' discovery of America to promote the use of the flag in the public schools. The same year, the magazine hired Daniel Ford's radical young friend, Baptist minister, Nationalist, and Christian Socialist leader, Francis Bellamy, to help Upham in his public relations work. Bellamy was the first cousin of the famous American socialist, Edward Bellamy. Edward Bellamy's futuristic novel, *Looking* *Backward*, published in 1888, described a utopian Boston in the year 2000. The book spawned an elitist socialist movement in Boston known as "Nationalism," whose members wanted the federal government to national most of the American economy. Francis Bellamy was a member of this movement and a vice president of its auxiliary group, the Society of Christian Socialists(2). He was a baptist minister and he lectured and preached on the virtues of socialism and the evils of capitalism. He gave a speech on "Jesus the Socialist" and a series of sermons on "The Socialism of the Primitive Church." In 1891, he was forced to resign from his Boston church, the Bethany Baptist church, because of his socialist activities. He then joined the staff of the *Youth's* *Companion*(3).

By February 1892, Francis Bellamy and Upham had lined up the National Education Association to support the *Youth's* *Companion* as a sponsor of the national public schools' observance of Columbus Day along with the use of the American flag. By June 29, Bellamy and Upham had arranged for Congress and President Benjamin Harrison to announce a national proclamation making the public school flag ceremony the center of the national Columbus Day celebrations for 1892(4).

Bellamy, under the supervision of Upham, wrote the program for this celebration, including its flag salute, the Pledge of Allegiance. His version was,

"I pledge allegiance to my flag and to the Republic for which it stands -- one nation indivisible -- with liberty and justice for all."

This program and its pledge appeared in the September 8 issue of *Youth's* *Companion*(5). He considered putting the words "fraternity" and "equality" in the Pledge but decided they were too radical and controversial for public schools(6).

The original Pledge was recited while giving a stiff, uplifted right hand salute, criticized and discontinued during WWII. The words "my flag" were changed to "the flag of the United States of America" because it was feared that the children of immigrants might confuse "my flag" for the flag of their homeland. The phrase, "Under God," was added by Congress and President Eisenhower in 1954 at the urging of the Knights of Columbus(7).

The American Legion's constitution includes the following goal: "To foster and perpetuate a one hundred percent Americanism." One of its major standing committees was the "Americanism Commission" and its subsidiary, the "Counter Subversive Activities Committee." To the fear of immigrants, it added the fear of communism(8).

Over the years the Legion has worked closely with the NEA and with the US Office of Education. The Legion insisted on "one hundred percent" Americanism in public school courses in American history, civics, geography and English. The Pledge was a part of this Americanism campaign(9) and, in 1950, the Legion adopted the Pledge as an official part of its own ritual(10).

In 1922, the Ku Klux Klan, which also had adopted the "one hundred percent Americanism" theme along with the flag ceremonies and the Pledge, became a political power in the state of Oregon and arranged for legislation to be passes requiring all Catholic children to attend public schools. The US Supreme Court later overturned this legislation(11).

Perhaps a team of social scientists and historians could explain why over the last century the Pledge of Allegiance has become a major centerpiece in American patriotism programs. A pledge or loyalty oath for children was not built around the Declaration of Independence -- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." Or the Gettysburg address -- "a new nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal..."

Apparently, over the last century, Americans have been uncomfortable with the word "equality" as a patriotic theme. In 1992 the nation will begin its second century with the Pledge of Allegiance. Perhaps the time has come to see that this allegiance should be to the US constitution and not to a piece of cloth.

christine  posted on  2009-04-19   20:51:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

the US Constitution and Bill of Rights

Please elaborate. What are these ??? ??

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-19   20:55:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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