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Title: What became of War?
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Published: Apr 20, 2009
Author: me
Post Date: 2009-04-20 21:38:39 by Critter
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Views: 3140
Comments: 167

Ain't seen that shilly dimwit for a bit. Did he get canned for inferior shilliness?

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#1. To: Critter (#0)

he's licking his wounds at LP.

litus  posted on  2009-04-20   21:57:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

he's licking his wounds at LP.

He's going to wear his tongue out. He got lots of wounds here. hehehe

Critter  posted on  2009-04-20   22:08:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

He's going to wear his tongue out. He got lots of wounds here. hehehe

lolol!!

O_I, FL, TT, and many others got him "but good".

fofl!

litus  posted on  2009-04-20   22:10:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

O_I, FL, TT, and many others got him "but good".

He didn't have a whole lot to say about those 660+ engineers and architects who question the 9/11 report. In fact, since it directly and absolutely proved his assertions wrong, it appears he put his tail between his legs and ran off.

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-04-21   8:24:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

He didn't have a whole lot to say about those 660+ engineers and architects who question the 9/11 report. In fact, since it directly and absolutely proved his assertions wrong, it appears he put his tail between his legs and ran off.

No, he hasn't, has he?!

litus  posted on  2009-04-21   10:03:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Why would I overweight what less than 1% of the total of their combined fields have to say versus underweighting the OVERWHELMING majority... Gee 600 out of 100K...

war  posted on  2009-04-21   10:39:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Why would I overweight what less than 1% of the total of their combined fields have to say versus underweighting the OVERWHELMING majority... Gee 600 out of 100K...

Got some firm numbers on that shillster, or are you just pulling that 100K figure out of your ass as usual?

Post some proof that there are 100K engineers and architects who approve of the 9/11 Commission's findings.

I won't hold my breath.

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-04-21   11:54:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

(war) Post some proof that there are 100K engineers and architects who approve of the 9/11 Commission's findings.

Support your claim war.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-21   12:46:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Post some proof that there are 100K engineers and architects who approve of the 9/11 Commission's findings.

How many enginners are there?

war  posted on  2009-04-21   13:20:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Post some proof that there are 100K engineers and architects who approve of the 9/11 Commission's findings.

How many enginners are there?

Proof that there are 100K engineers and architects who approve of the 9/11 Commission's findings.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-21   13:22:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The proof is on this thread, moron. There aren't even 600 of them who object to it...

Math is an issue with you?

war  posted on  2009-04-21   13:26:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The proof is on this thread, moron. There aren't even 600 of them who object to it...

Proof? What, your question as to how many engineers are there in the world is supposed to be PROOF? You don't have ANY proof of how many approve of the 9/11 Commission findings, you just made up a number and tried to say there is that many because there MIGHT be that many in the world, and since they haven't publically made a statement concerning their thoughts, well then by gosh they must agree with the official story. What a dishonest cretin you are.

As far as your comment that there aren't even 600 who object to the 9/11 Commission findings, you are a liar, as the proof of that has been posted to you at least twice here on 4um.

Here it is again so that you can't say it wasn't posted, AGAIN.

660+ Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-04-21   21:36:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

As far as your comment that there aren't even 600 who object to the 9/11 Commission findings, you are a liar, as the proof of that has been posted to you at least twice here on 4um.

Here it is again so that you can't say it wasn't posted, AGAIN.

that makes three times; I saw the other two times you posted them to war (not including the different link I also posted to war concerning another architects and engineers group).

litus  posted on  2009-04-21   21:38:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Former Lurker is on bozo...is he still trying to post to me?

As far as your comment that there aren't even 600 who object to the 9/11 Commission findings, you are a liar, as the proof of that has been posted to you at least twice here on 4um.

Tell your fellow Moonie here that the comment referred to "engineers" and not "engineers and architects".

war  posted on  2009-04-22   9:55:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Tell your fellow Moonie here that the comment referred to "engineers" and not "engineers and architects".

War, that's not what I recall. You used engineers, architects, police, firemen...in your demand to produce even one group...

You were provided two groups of engineers and architects (one by me, whereupon you then made additional demands of that group), and the reposting now 3 times by FormerLurker....

litus  posted on  2009-04-22   10:24:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You used engineers, architects, police, firemen...in your demand to produce even one group...

Apples and oranges Moonbat...there is not ONE professional organization that existed prior to 9/11 that has proclaimed the attack anything other than what it was.

Moonbats congregating thereafter most certainly does not qualify.

war  posted on  2009-04-22   10:43:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

there is not ONE professional organization that existed prior to 9/11 that has proclaimed the attack anything other than what it was.

See. This is what you do.

You make a demand, then when it's met, you make further stipulations. When that's met, then you make further stipulations.

WTH is wrong with you?

litus  posted on  2009-04-22   10:46:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

See. This is what you do.

No Moonbat...it's what YOU do...argue in circles...your "group" is not a peer recognized organization of professionals but simply a gaggle of Moonbats congregating around a single issue that is peripheral to their profession. The fact that the membership is less than 1% of the organization that assisted in the 9/11 reports should have been your first clue. INstead, it's one of several clues that you are cluesless.

war  posted on  2009-04-22   10:51:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

organization that assisted in the 9/11 reports

you mean the joke commission report?

That COMMISSION?

The commission that put forth an inadequate report, leaving out information, refusing to have witnesses come forth that would say anything different than their agenda.

That commission's report?

You're the joke.

litus  posted on  2009-04-22   11:01:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

organization that assisted in the 9/11 reports

you mean the joke commission report?

That COMMISSION?

The following Veteran National Security experts were turned away, ignored, or censored by the 9/11 Commission, even though they had direct and relevant information related to the Commission’s investigation:

John M. Cole, Former Veteran Intelligence Operations Specialist; FBI - Mr. Cole worked for 18 years in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division as an Intelligence Operations specialist, and was in charge of FBI’s foreign intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Mr. Cole had knowledge of certain activities that directly related to the terror attacks on September 11, 2001. He notified the 9/11 Commission during its investigation, but never received a response. His name and contact information was provided to the Commission as a key witness by other witnesses, but he was never contacted or interviewed.

John Vincent, Retired Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI - Mr. Vincent worked for the FBI for 27 1/2 years before retiring in 2002. He worked his last 8 years in counterterrorism in the FBI’s Chicago Field Office. Mr. Vincent, along with Robert Wright, exposed inefficiencies within the FBI in working counterterrorism cases, and certain warnings they had tried to pursue prior to the 9/11 attack that were directly related to Al-Qaeda’s financial network and money laundering activities. Although he was granted an interview, the commissioners’ investigators refused to let him provide them with information related to his case and the 9/11 terrorists network; they insisted on limiting the interview to only administrative and irrelevant questions and issues.

Robert Wright, Veteran Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI - Mr. Wright is a veteran special agent in the FBI Chicago Field Office Counterterrorism Unit. He had been investigating a suspected terrorist cell for three years, when he was informed in January 2001 that the case was being closed. Agent Wright, along with Mr. Vincent, exposed inefficiencies within the FBI in working counterterrorism cases and certain warnings they’d tried to pursue prior to the 9/11 attack that were directly related to Al-Qaeda’s financial network and money laundering activities. Three months before September 11, Wright wrote a stinging internal memo charging that the FBI was not interested in thwarting a terrorist attack, but rather "was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred." The FBI refused to allow Wright to testify before the 9/11 Commission, however, the Commission did not insist or attempt to subpoena Wright; despite the fact that it had subpoena power.

Sibel Edmonds, Former Language Specialist; FBI - Ms. Edmonds worked for the FBI’s Washington Field Office as a language specialist with Top Secret Clearance performing translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations dealing with Turkey, Iran, and Turkic speaking Central Asian countries. She contacted the 9/11 Commission in May 2003 and requested a meeting to provide them with information directly related to the terrorist attack. The Commission investigators refused to meet with Edmonds and informed her that due to their limited resources and time they were not going to interview all witnesses. She was able to provide the commission with information and documents only after certain 9/11 family members intervened directly. Ms. Edmonds’ testimony was completely censored by the Commission.

Behrooz Sarshar, Former Language Specialist; FBI - Mr. Sarshar worked for the FBI’s Washington Field Office as a language specialist with Top Secret Clearance performing Farsi translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations dealing with Iran and Afghanistan. He had first-hand information of prior specific warning obtained from a reliable informant in April 2001 on the terrorist attacks of September 11. Mr. Sarshar contacted the Commission directly but was refused. He was given an interview with the Commission investigators only after 9/11 family members intervened directly. Mr. Sarshar’s documented testimony was completely omitted from the commission’s final report, despite his case being publicly confirmed by Director Mueller’s Office.

Mike German, Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI - Mr. German served sixteen years as an FBI Special Agent and is one of the rare agents credited with actually having prevented acts of terrorism before it became the FBI's number one priority. He contacted the Commission in the spring of 2004, but did not receive a response. In 2002 he reported gross mismanagement in a post 9/11-counterterrorism investigation, which included serious violations of FBI policy and federal law. Mr. German contacted the 9/11 Commission during its investigation and requested that he be given an interview session in order to provide them with certain domestic counterterrorism investigations that he’d pursued. According to Mr. German there were links between certain domestic and international counterterrorism related to the September 11 attacks. The 9/11 Commissioners refused to acknowledge his request and never interviewed him.

Gilbert Graham, Retired Special Agent, Counterintelligence; FBI - Mr. Graham worked for the FBI’s Washington Field Office Counterintelligence Division until 2002. In February 2004 his name and contact information were provided to the Commission as a key witness with information pertinent to the Commission’s investigation. The 9/11 Commission refused to follow up and never contacted Mr. Graham.

Coleen Rowley, Retired Division Counsel; FBI - In May 2002, Coleen Rowley, as the Division Counsel at the FBI Minneapolis Office, blew the whistle on the FBI’s failure to pursue Zacarias Moussaoui’s case prior to 9/11, despite all attempts made by the Minneapolis division counterterrorism agents. She reported that FBI HQ personnel in Washington, D.C., had mishandled and neglected to take action on information provided by her division. Despite her high-profile case the commission chose not to interview Ms. Rowley. According to Ms. Rowley, no one from the FBI Minneapolis Office (several Agents had direct information) was ever asked to provide testimony, information, to the 9/11 Commission.

Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer, DIA - Colonel Shaffer provided the Commission with detailed information on intelligence and pre warning information obtained by his unit’s data mining project, Able Danger. The 9/11 commission staff received not one but two briefings on Able Danger from Mr. Shaffer and his former team members, yet did not pursue the case, did not follow up on this documented report and refused to subpoena the relevant files. Mr. Shaffer’s testimony, together with other witnesses who corroborated his testimony and information, were censored by the 9/11 Commissioners and never made it to its final report.

Dick Stoltz, Retired Special Agent; ATF- Mr. Stoltz, a veteran undercover agent with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, had played an important role in Operation Diamondback between 1998 and 2001. The sting operation involved a group of Middle Eastern men living in New Jersey who were caught on tape in an ATF weapons sting conspiring to buy millions of dollars of weapons including components for nuclear bombs. The case came to a screeching halt with the arrest of only a handful of suspects in June of 2001 even though there was ample evidence that some of the people who were attempting to buy these weapons had connections with the Taliban, Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden himself. The 9/11 Commission refused to contact Agent Stoltz despite all attempts made by several witnesses from the intelligence & Law Enforcement Communities, and the 9/11 Family group, Jersey Moms.

Bogdan Dzakovic, Former Red Team Leader; FAA - Mr. Dzakovic had worked for the Security Division of the Federal Aviation Administration since 1987 as a Special Agent, as a Team Leader in the Federal Air Marshals, and from 1995 until September 11, 2001 was a Team Leader of the Red Team (terrorist team). Mr. Dzakovic had tried for several years prior to the 9-11 attacks to improve aviation security in the face of the ever-increasing terrorist threat. He provided the 9/11 Commission with his testimony and documented reports. His testimony and report to the Commission was completely omitted from the final report.

Linda Lewis, Retired Emergency Programs Specialist; USDA - Ms. Lewis worked for 13 years evaluating and coordinating federal, state and local preparedness for nuclear, radiological and chemical weapons emergencies. Prior to September 11, 2001, she had reported numerous inadequacies and dysfunctions in emergency preparedness, including a culture of intimidation that discouraged federal evaluators from reporting inadequacies in state and local plans and preparedness. USDA officials had thwarted her efforts to bring in terrorism experts to help the agency prepare for attacks on federal buildings, including bio-weapons attacks such as the anthrax attacks of 2001. In vain, she had urged FEMA officials to develop a national emergency communications plan and require interoperability of federally funded emergency communications equipment. In the absence of these preparations, New York City firefighters and police officers were unable to communicate critical information on September 11 at the World Trade Center. Ms. Lewis contacted the Commission and offered to provide information regarding dysfunctional government preparedness, but the Commission never responded.

Mark Burton, Senior Analyst; NSA – Mr. Burton served as an all-source threat analyst in NSA’s Information Assurance Directorate (IAD) for most of his 16-year career. He was the editor of IAD’s premier threat document; the 300+ page ISSO Global Threat Summary, and was an adjunct faculty member at NSA’s National Cryptologic School. He provided dozens of pages of relevant information to the 9/11 Commission, but was completely ignored and never asked to testify.

The above list does not include many others from the intelligence and law enforcement communities who had similarly contacted or reported to the commission but had been either turned away or censored, and of course many others’ who are still working within these agencies and are fearful of making their identities known, due to the relentless pursuit of and retaliation against whistleblowers by government agencies.

About National Security Whistleblowers Coalition

National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC), founded in August 2004, is an independent and nonpartisan alliance of whistleblowers who have come forward to address our nation’s security weaknesses; to inform authorities of security vulnerabilities in our intelligence agencies, at nuclear power plants and weapon facilities, in airports, and at our nation’s borders and ports; to uncover government waste, fraud, abuse, and in some cases criminal conduct. The NSWBC is dedicated to aiding national security whistleblowers through a variety of methods, including advocacy of governmental and legal reform, educating the public concerning whistleblowing activity, provision of comfort and fellowship to national security whistleblowers suffering retaliation and other harms, and working with other public interest organizations to affect goals defined in the NSWBC mission statement. For more on NSWBC visit www.nswbc.org

© Copyright 2006 National Security Whistleblowers Coalition

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2006090610003242

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-22   11:24:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

John M. Cole, Former Veteran Intelligence Operations Specialist; FBI - Mr. Cole worked for 18 years in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division as an Intelligence Operations specialist, and was in charge of FBI’s foreign intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Mr. Cole had knowledge of certain activities that directly related to the terror attacks on September 11, 2001. He notified the 9/11 Commission during its investigation, but never received a response.

Yeah...I can see why this man, and all the others on the list would be ignored by a JOKE COMMISSION!!!

litus  posted on  2009-04-22   21:15:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

John M. Cole, Former Veteran Intelligence Operations Specialist; FBI - Mr. Cole worked for 18 years in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division as an Intelligence Operations specialist, and was in charge of FBI’s foreign intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Mr. Cole had knowledge of certain activities that directly related to the terror attacks on September 11, 2001. He notified the 9/11 Commission during its investigation, but never received a response.

Yeah...I can see why this man, and all the others on the list would be ignored by a JOKE COMMISSION!!!

The real question is:

Why is war protecting the "real" criminals?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-22   21:19:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Why is war protecting the "real" criminals?

Two possibilities come to mind--the real criminals could be friends of his or they are paying him to obfuscate the issues. Not saying that there aren't other possibilities but when someone will argue that black is white and up is down, and that there are actually 27 in a dozen of anything you might suspect they are stupid or being paid. Or, that is what some other nitwit told him and he believed them because they were "smart."

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-22   21:22:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

when someone will argue that black is white and up is down, and that there are actually 27 in a dozen of anything you might suspect they are stupid or being paid.

I say paid. I could never be paid to lie.

litus  posted on  2009-04-22   21:24:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I say paid. I could never be paid to lie.

Some people don't have to be paid, they do it to stay in practice.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-22   21:33:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Some people don't have to be paid, they do it to stay in practice.

rofl! That was a funny.

litus  posted on  2009-04-22   21:34:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

rofl! That was a funny.

Thanks. I have a lucid interval now and then.    >(;^{]

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-22   22:28:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#151. To: James Deffenbach (#145)

I have a lucid interval now and then.

You're being modest. The intervals are much more frequent than that.

hehehe

litus  posted on  2009-04-23 10:42:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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